2 little questions

[Beto]

Hi, well, I want to question you guys, doing a good season, and training hard, how much can someone increase his jump in triple and long jump??

Not exactly how much, but approximately


and the other question are:

My coach tell me, that the best 100 meters runners, also are good in triple and long jump, is this true???


Thanks for helping

[aidan]

Increasing jumping distance in a season is not easy to predict.. factors include:

-increased speed
-increased strength
-increased runway technique
-increased jumping technique
-increased air/phases technique
-increased landing technique
-increased height (in some cases)
-losing excess fat

the list goes on and on...



Here is my personal progression..

9th - 16'9" long jump

10th - 18'6" long jump, 38'10" triple jump

11th - 20' long jump, 42' triple jump

12th - ?

I would guess that I'll hit between 20'6" - 21'6" as a pr, depending on wind.. and for triple jump, where I'm still learning a lot of technique, I'm thinking 44' is a reasonable goal for my senior year.. with some wind maybe 45' if I'm lucky.

At the same time, I might not even improve my junior distances.. no matter how hard I work.. everybody is different in how they develop, but I think my progression is a pretty average one if thats what you are looking for.




As far as 100m runners being good at jumping, that is because the horizontal jumps, especially the long jump, depend about 85% on speed alone (triple jump maybe more like 70%)... speed kills in track and field, and these two events are no exception.. the faster you are going in the horizontal direction, the farther you will go in the air... also, people with the quick twitch muscles for sprinting often have the quick twitch muscles for quick explosive jumping as well..


hopefully this explains everything.. im going to bed-

[aidan]

it was a quote by HighJumper, something about him walking a 5k in 37 mins faster than someone ran it? lol idk, along those lines




o man.. u remember that?

I had one after that one, which is the one that I cannot remember... but that quote you are referring to is pretty old school. High Jumper was making fun of someone on Lets Run that was talking about a 5k time they ran in the 40's, and then HighJumper said, "I can walk one in 37...etc.."

[NVJumper13]

a lot of increasing distance depends on how far you currently go. i went from 36 to 42 in less than 1 season. on the other hand, it took me an entire season to go from 42 to 44. intensity of training will definately reflect on your increase. i'm shootin for a 3 foot increase this year, but it will definately require a lot of work.

[NVJumper13]

oh and also, in long jump, it is very hard to go farther. long depends more on speed increases than triple. if you already have the strength in triple and all of the sudden gain a lot of tech, then you will improve faster. don't expect to gain in long like you do in triple.

[elcaballo]

My progression-
Soph year (beginning of season to best jump of year), 36'6"- 38'8"
Junior year 39'6"-42'7"

[AtownTx-Jurdler]

[QUOTE=Beto
My coach tell me, that the best 100 meters runners, also are good in triple and long jump, is this true???


Thanks for helping[/QUOTE]

i would say it the other way around

the best long and triple jumpers are also good at the 100 meteres

[aidan]

it goes both ways.. ever heard of carl lewis?

[AtownTx-Jurdler]

yea

but a lot of times good sprinters dont make good jumpers


but good jumpers need to be good sprinters to succeed

[Beto]

mmmm I don´t think that good jumpers need to be good sprinters, I don´t wanna say that I´m a great jumper, my best in Triple and long are:

Triple: 12.60 meters
Long: 5.89 meters


But in sprints, I´m too slow, my best in 100 meters are 12.67

:confused:


C ya

[Explosive]

Yeah that's me. I changed my name after they changed the look of these boards and all

o man.. u remember that?

I had one after that one, which is the one that I cannot remember... but that quote you are referring to is pretty old school. High Jumper was making fun of someone on Lets Run that was talking about a 5k time they ran in the 40's, and then HighJumper said, "I can walk one in 37...etc.."

[DUKETJ08]

The are a lot of factors like everyone said, but one of the important things to note is ur behaivor off the track like do you drink, do you smoke, what do you eat, what kind of sleep you get and how seriuos are you about track. In my freshman year i went 42'4 in triple. I saw a guy jump 46 and i wanted to be that guy during my sophmore year, so I change my sleeping habits ate well and got serious about my training and jumped 46'6. Well after i did that, i sort of regressed and became over confident (in minnesota its easy to win state with a 46' jump) so my junior year i only jumped 46'11. My senior year i got serious again, and hit 48'11.5". So training is gonna obviuosly do the most help, but make sure you take care of the other aspects of your life as well.

And no, a good sprinter doesnt make a good jumper (long jump) but a good jumper will always be a decent sprinter. There isnt enough tech in long jump to rely on strength alone, u need speed.

[aidan]

mmmm I don´t think that good jumpers need to be good sprinters, I don´t wanna say that I´m a great jumper, my best in Triple and long are:

Triple: 13.42 meters
Long: 6.27 meters


But in sprints, I´m too slow, my best in 100 meters are 12.67

:confused:


C ya


theres no way, imho, that both of these are true.. either get a better tape measure, or more likely, learn how to run a 100m... long jump especially is about 90% speed; no denying that

[AtownTx-Jurdler]

theres no way, imho, that both of these are true.. either get a better tape measure, or more likely, learn how to run a 100m... long jump especially is about 90% speed; no denying that

ill deny it
technique is a major aspect of long jumping and reducing it to 10% of the actual jump is ignorant (no offense)

[Beto]

ok, to my opinion, I think that in long jump:

speed-80%
technique-20%


in triple:

speed-65%
technique-35%


It´s my opinion


Aidan maybe you have the reason, maybe I don´t know how to run 100 meters, but I think that this season I´m going to take myself serious in the 100 meters, triple and long, and I hope to have good times in 100 this year ;)


C ya

[NVJumper13]

theres no way, imho, that both of these are true.. either get a better tape measure, or more likely, learn how to run a 100m... long jump especially is about 90% speed; no denying that

um...those are very possible times and distances. I know because they are pretty similar to mine. i run the 100m about .5 faster than him, but long jump about a foot farther and triple just a little bit farther. another thing, long jump is not 90% speed. i would say long is more like 70-80% just because i have personally beaten many people that are way faster than me. also, you're not taking into account weight or technique. one of our throwers/sprinters runs a 11.4 100m but has no technique and weighs around 270lbs. these things hurt his speed advantage and he can only long jump 18'. everybody is different and you can't predict a jumper's distance based on sprinting ability only.

[aidan]

I'm not disagreeing that there are really fast sprinters that can't long jump. I competed against a guy who ran 11.1 handtimed several times and long jumped about 15'.. I will still stand by my opinion that long jump is.. fine... 85% speed and 15% technique. YOU NEED BOTH, but assuming you have both, which i assumed most people on this board have (whether im wrong or right, i now wonder), speed kills.


btw.. a 12.1 is a ton faster than a 12.65 in the 100m, NVJumper13..


more on this later.. i have to go to work.

[Beto]

so................If I get more speed, my jump also be better?


in a season it´s credible pass from a 12.67 to a 11.60?


C ya

[NVJumper13]

i agree speed kills, but i'm just saying a person with the speed to go 20+ easily (your 11.1 guy) that has zero technique and only goes like 15 (like your guy) is only going 75% of his potential. also, that 11.1 would get you a lot farther most likely so that can drop your percentage even lower. if you have the tech, then speed is going to work for you a lot, but imo the percentages should be around 70-80% speed. this is turning out to be a very enlightening thread on other people's opinions. later. :D

[AtownTx-Jurdler]

so................If I get more speed, my jump also be better?


in a season it´s credible pass from a 12.67 to a 11.60?


C ya

as long as your speed doesnt comprimise your technique then yes
dont really know what to say about the 12.6 to 11.6

[aidan]

i agree speed kills, but i'm just saying a person with the speed to go 20+ easily (your 11.1 guy) that has zero technique and only goes like 15 (like your guy) is only going 75% of his potential. also, that 11.1 would get you a lot farther most likely so that can drop your percentage even lower. if you have the tech, then speed is going to work for you a lot, but imo the percentages should be around 70-80% speed. this is turning out to be a very enlightening thread on other people's opinions. later. :D



agreed... when i made the 90%-10% comment, i was talking about people who already have the basic long jump technique.. when i say technique, im talking about the little things those at the higher levels do to increase their jump by inches, not the basic things you MUST do that will increase your jump by feet. NO matter how fast you are, you will not jump anywhere without basic technique :P (my 11.1 guy jumping 15'... one of the funnier things ive ever seen, especially since i was "freaking out" at first, because i thought he was going to beat me :))

[Sprints07]

in 8th grade I jumped 19 feet, and I had decent speed then and LOTS of vertical, my freshmen year I could barely get 18 because my speed took too much away from my jump. But over this summer in practice for AAU, I bombed out a 21 footer. I think Long jump is all about balanceing out Technique, Speed, and explosiveness.

In 8th grade I also ran the 100m in 11.9 and personally I think that helped not being super fast. 19'2" footer that year
Freshmen year I ran it in 11.3 and only had 18'2' LJ
Sophomore year ran 11.1 and got 21'4" in summer practice, and I did that by not going balls to the walls on speed, bout 90% down the runway, then concentrated on hitting the board and my vertical.

Getting a good mark on long jump is essential, you want it where you have enough speed, but not too much to where your vertical blows. And if your speed isnt up to par, you need to work on that.

[aidan]

yeah.. running 100% down the runway is not the way to go.. a controlled sprint is needed so you can get some vertical at the board.. the faster you are, the faster your 90% speed will be though, keep in mind :)

[DUKETJ08]

I think the general thing that everyone is say is that speed great, but it has to be a controlled speeed, not an all out sprint. If your out of control, there is no way your going to get your penultmin(sp) in, no way you will be able to get your foot out infront to pull through, and no way you will be able to drive your back knee up. Its kind of a matter of what you are comfortable with. If u can run 90% and still keep tech, more power to you, but if u cant, you should slow down. Also keep in mind that no matter what speed you are trying to run at, you shouldnt hit it until your last few steps. I have a 18 step approach and hit about 30% top speed my first 6 steps 75% my second 6 and about 85% my last 6.