webb

[mhs-07]

When is webb going to run again?

[dc449]

When is webb going to run again?

Tonight, in the Penn 5000 I believe.

[rysheridan]

He's running the 800m leg on the USA SMR

http://www.usatf.org/news/view.aspx?DUID=USATF_2005_04_25_10_26_17

[cnick]

13:30.25

Webb Wins

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=837305

[Jolly Farm]

That's pretty solid, didn't he run 13:45 or something last year?

[Kniteryder]

Great job, good to see him with a solid start! :)

[Naimo]

Webb looked so smooth it was incredible. Clocked his last 200 at 24.8 running in lanes 2 and 3 to lap people.

[KS Roadrunna]

it's 24.8 now? I thought it was 27. We're going to have a 21 by tomorrow at this rate.

[Naimo]

Yea, I saw the the 27 on letsrun, my guess is because Penn's track is a little weird I must have hit the watch at around 180 or so at the beginning of the turn.

[KevinM]

Lots of people make that mistake. There's a line that looks like the 200m but isn't, if that makes sense. I believe it's the common finish for the 100m and 110H on the backstretch.

[Zat0pek]

He's now about 12 seconds ahead of last year at 3000 indoors and roughly the same at 5000 from the same meet last year. Good sign for this summer. BTW, 13:30 was Steve Scott's 5,000 PR if memory serves me correctly.

Here's what bugs me. Where are the rest of the U.S. milers? Why aren't they running overdistance races right now? Webb isn't doing anything new. We pretty much know what the blueprint is to building a miler that performs June, July and August? Where's everybody else?

[jaygray]

As much as, and as good that, Webb runs overdistance, I'm afraid that the days of seeing him and Ritz in the same races again are over. What I managed to see in person in Vancouver a couple months ago, where Webb hung with Ritz in the 12K at the Nationals for a while, before getting his clock cleaned, I think may be the last time, sad to say. Specialization, scheduling, injury, seem to conspire so. I hope I'm wrong.

[hoplite]

When does he run the SMR?

[dc449]

He's now about 12 seconds ahead of last year at 3000 indoors and roughly the same at 5000 from the same meet last year. Good sign for this summer. BTW, 13:30 was Steve Scott's 5,000 PR if memory serves me correctly.

Here's what bugs me. Where are the rest of the U.S. milers? Why aren't they running overdistance races right now? Webb isn't doing anything new. We pretty much know what the blueprint is to building a miler that performs June, July and August? Where's everybody else?

Zat - not sure if its a typo, but he ran 13:46 at Penn last year, with similar closing speed for the win.

And a side note, he did close in :27, but it was mostly in lane 2 (take that for what you will). Also, Webb was with the Kenyan (forgot his name) up until he easily dropped him in the last 200, so he obviously had a bit left. And that guy ran 13:11 last year. I see no reason why he won't pr big again this summer.

[SwiperTheFox]

Isn't it interesting how the perceptions/expectations for Webb have changed in a year's time? His 13:45 win a Penn last year spawned more than one multiple-page thread. 13:30 this year is a yawner.

[M_ER_CU_RY]

If webb doesn't screw up I think he's got a shot at the AR.

[Zat0pek]

Zat - not sure if its a typo, but he ran 13:46 at Penn last year, with similar closing speed for the win.

I meant that he had the same 12-second improvement at 5,000 that he had at 3,000 from last year. I was thinking he ran 13:42 last year. But its 12 seconds at 3,000 and 16 seconds at 5,000. Big drops from a year ago and that was a breakout for him last year.

If those are true indicators of fitness gains, and I don't see why they wouldn't be, its not laughable to think he could scare Steve Scott's mile AR in the right race. He has to be thinking 3:30/3:47 this year if his 3,000 and 5,000 improvements mean anything. 3:30 is a 2 second improvement, 3:47 a three second improvement. Hardly improbable gains, and he has the luxury of planning for a later season this year.

[Mrr82]

Isn't it interesting how the perceptions/expectations for Webb have changed in a year's time? His 13:45 win a Penn last year spawned more than one multiple-page thread. 13:30 this year is a yawner.


I don't really remember the 1345 being a big deal last year....if i remember correctly Webb actually got BASHED for his Penn races which was probably why it got multiple threads. 1345 was not looked upon as amazing, neither was his 404? Except by a few people who thought it was a good sign because they understand splits...i remember having to say over and over again this was april....that he wasn't supposed to be runnign 350 in the mile when guys like El G hadn't even touched a track yet. It was definatly not hyped up last year..at least not as a good thing.

Also remember that some people are intentionally not reading these threads because they want to see it on sateruday and odn't want to ruin the surprise probably.

[honkforcookies]

man i can't wait to see what webb does this year. his achievements last year were pretty inspirational

[Sully 800]

I meant that he had the same 12-second improvement at 5,000 that he had at 3,000 from last year. I was thinking he ran 13:42 last year. But its 12 seconds at 3,000 and 16 seconds at 5,000. Big drops from a year ago and that was a breakout for him last year.

If those are true indicators of fitness gains, and I don't see why they wouldn't be, its not laughable to think he could scare Steve Scott's mile AR in the right race. He has to be thinking 3:30/3:47 this year if his 3,000 and 5,000 improvements mean anything. 3:30 is a 2 second improvement, 3:47 a three second improvement. Hardly improbable gains, and he has the luxury of planning for a later season this year.

better take a shot before Lagat does! :p I must say though, I am very impressed with Webb's improvement from last year to now. I think last time he used Penn as more of a workout, but if he gave an equal effort to each of those 5k's, then he should be in remarkable mile shape in a few months.

[rysheridan]

Although there really isn't any pressure on him to make the US team, thats pretty much a given, if Lagat runs is cleared to run will alan focus on winning the national meet (doing more speedwork sooner, etc.) or does he not even care as long as he gets his ticket to helsinki?

[vallistastud49]

Although there really isn't any pressure on him to make the US team, thats pretty much a given, if Lagat runs is cleared to run will alan focus on winning the national meet (doing more speedwork sooner, etc.) or does he not even care as long as he gets his ticket to helsinki?

I'm sure beating Lagat last year was the highlight of his young career. He'd definately want to win again.

[daman]

13:30 from a 3:50 miler isn't that hot. We need to see him in a 5000 against top competition with a pacesetter to see what he could really do. Frankly, I think a guy who can run 3:50 should be able to run sub 13:20 ALONE. Sheeit, 13:20 is only about 4:19 pace.

[Dragonsoul]

I think Webb can run 3:30 in the 1500 this year, but in the mile it depends on how the race goes, there is only two races all eyar that are fast enough. Great race for Webb!

By the way, there are many usa distance guys racing in march/april/may.......but look at the rest of the world, none of the TOP Africans race track in march and april and only like 50% in May(even then they are not too fast). They start there season in June. I think USA would do this, but people focus on Stanford Invite, Mt. Sac Invite, and Cardinal Invite a little too much. I think the USA elites, no offense, but why not just run later meets? I believe that there is tons of competition to make the Helsinki team so the guys are tryin to get into great shape earlier, to make the team, but then can't hold the fitness from june usatf to august helsinki. If usatf is juen ti's to early, it should be in mid/late july, then that would be great, we'd do better probably.

[honkforcookies]

13:30 from a 3:50 miler isn't that hot. We need to see him in a 5000 against top competition with a pacesetter to see what he could really do. Frankly, I think a guy who can run 3:50 should be able to run sub 13:20 ALONE. Sheeit, 13:20 is only about 4:19 pace.
yea, but is there really a need to do that right now?

[TrackDaddy]

Great.

Another Webb thread. :rolleyes:

[Dragonsoul]

13:30 from a 3:50 miler isn't that hot. We need to see him in a 5000 against top competition with a pacesetter to see what he could really do. Frankly, I think a guy who can run 3:50 should be able to run sub 13:20 ALONE. Sheeit, 13:20 is only about 4:19 pace.

I don't know about that, Webb's race was pretty impressive. Anyways he'll continue improving more in the next few years. I believe if he focuses on 1500 until Beiijng, with early season 5k's, he'd get to high 13:10's, although later in the season he could run faster.

Webb ran 13:30 to win in a race where:
1. the rabbit didn't last that long
2. there were many people he had to lap and pass
3. a little tactical near the end, he closed in 27

I think if those three things were changed, he'd have run 13:22 or so. And this is April for cryin out loud, he is going to be at his best in late August. I'm impressed. What do you think he'll do in the 800 this weekend? I don't expect it to be super fast, maybe 1:48. I hope he gets his 800m time down two more seconds to 1:44 so he can have a much better shot at a bronze medal in Helsinki. El G blazes out the final 800m very fast, he needs to be able to cover that, can he do it? :)

[daman]

Great.

Another Webb thread. :rolleyes:
Heehee....

[daman]

yea, but is there really a need to do that right now?
Yes.

[daman]

I don't know about that, Webb's race was pretty impressive. Anyways he'll continue improving more in the next few years. I believe if he focuses on 1500 until Beiijng, with early season 5k's, he'd get to high 13:10's, although later in the season he could run faster.

Webb ran 13:30 to win in a race where:
1. the rabbit didn't last that long
2. there were many people he had to lap and pass
3. a little tactical near the end, he closed in 27

I think if those three things were changed, he'd have run 13:22 or so. And this is April for cryin out loud, he is going to be at his best in late August. I'm impressed. What do you think he'll do in the 800 this weekend? I don't expect it to be super fast, maybe 1:48. I hope he gets his 800m time down two more seconds to 1:44 so he can have a much better shot at a bronze medal in Helsinki. El G blazes out the final 800m very fast, he needs to be able to cover that, can he do it? :)I don't know, I just think of some great milers who ran the 5000 also and I can't see them running as slow as 13:30....for a top class runner, it's not that fast of a pace. Maybe Webb just took it easy and could have run faster. But by itself, 13:30 isn't that fast for a guy like Webb. Ritz ran 13:28 as a college frosh.

[trojanrunna]

I don't know, I just think of some great milers who ran the 5000 also and I can't see them running as slow as 13:30....for a top class runner, it's not that fast of a pace. Maybe Webb just took it easy and could have run faster. But by itself, 13:30 isn't that fast for a guy like Webb. Ritz ran 13:28 as a college frosh.
so by your logic, ritz should be able to run 4 flat or so right? closing in 27 means alot. at any rate, people aren't trying to see this as a world class time. they're hoping it means as much as the 13:46 did last year, with another huge summer.

[Jolly Farm]

Great.

Another Webb thread. :rolleyes:

Well he did just have a race, you know? People might want to talk about it and stuff.

[king99]

Name all the U.S Great milers that have run 13;30 or better?

Webb ran 13:30 a 16 second improvement.over last year same time..wining going away with 56.1 last 400.

I am trying to figure..how much more impressive do you want it to be..

Ohh , you want him to grind out a 13:15 solo in the cool night at 10:15 PM?

It's not happenening..nothing more than a stroll in th e park with a fast last 200..

I hav elittle doubt he can run uner 13:25

Thats better than all but about 10 guys , out of his element.

You now have a guy who has run 1:46.54 to 13:30 5K

I'd say its working out pretty well for him.

[SwiperTheFox]

Yeah, a damn shame he didn't stay at Michigan, eh, king? :p

[honkforcookies]

Name all the U.S Great milers that have run 13;30 or better?

Webb ran 13:30 a 16 second improvement.over last year same time..wining going away with 56.1 last 400.

I am trying to figure..how much more impressive do you want it to be..

Ohh , you want him to grind out a 13:15 solo in the cool night at 10:15 PM?

It's not happenening..nothing more than a stroll in th e park with a fast last 200..

I hav elittle doubt he can run uner 13:25

Thats better than all but about 10 guys , out of his element.

You now have a guy who has run 1:46.54 to 13:30 5K

I'd say its working out pretty well for him.
agreed

[daman]

Name all the U.S Great milers that have run 13;30 or better?

Webb ran 13:30 a 16 second improvement.over last year same time..wining going away with 56.1 last 400.

I am trying to figure..how much more impressive do you want it to be..

Ohh , you want him to grind out a 13:15 solo in the cool night at 10:15 PM?

It's not happenening..nothing more than a stroll in th e park with a fast last 200..

I hav elittle doubt he can run uner 13:25

Thats better than all but about 10 guys , out of his element.

You now have a guy who has run 1:46.54 to 13:30 5K

I'd say its working out pretty well for him.He did have a pacesetter. 13:30 sux on the world stage and Webb is a world class miler. You're comparing him to US runners and we don't care about that....compare him to world class guys. You think a 3:50 African running 13:30 is great? It isn't and neither is this.....take a cold shower.

[trojanrunna]

He did have a pacesetter. 13:30 sux on the world stage and Webb is a world class miler. You're comparing him to US runners and we don't care about that....compare him to world class guys. You think a 3:50 African running 13:30 is great? It isn't and neither is this.....take a cold shower.
lagat's 13:14 was hailed as great and ridiculous and amazing, while lagat is a 3:47 miler. you're criticizing webb for an event that he isn't even thinking about focusing on anytime soon. not to mention it obviously was not an attempt at a fast time if he closed as fast as he did. no matter how poor 13:30 is for a 3:50 miler, this is not a bad sign. webb had a breakthrough year last year after running 13:46, think about what he'll do after running 13:30.
EDIT: king is comparing him to great US milers, ie scott, ryun, etc. they were world class.

[daman]

Only fools hailed lagat's 13:14 as great and amazing. Niyongabo ran 3:47 and won the Oly's in 13:08, with heats, years earlier. 13:30 isn't tough for a 3:50 miler.

[daman]

EDIT: king is comparing him to great US milers, ie scott, ryun, etc. they were world class.So what? Who cares about US runners who ran 25-40 years ago? The idea is to compare him to recent world class runners, because that is who he will be facing.

[vallistastud49]

[QUOTE=king99]

You now have a guy who has run 1:46.54 to 13:30 5K

QUOTE]

If you want to take it way back, you can say 47 point open.

[trojanrunna]

So what? Who cares about US runners who ran 25-40 years ago? The idea is to compare him to recent world class runners, because that is who he will be facing.
maybe because scott's times are still very comparable to the times the best in the world are running right now. there is nobody, other than lagat, that i can see running close to 3:43 this year.

[trojanrunna]

and when it comes down to it, who cares who can beat webb at 5k? the mile is what matters.

[M_ER_CU_RY]

Lagat is starting to get old, even though it's not yet showing in his performance. Isn't he pushing 30? Hopefully he'll move up to the 5k soon.

[EIllinois_pondDiver]

Lagat is starting to get old, even though it's not yet showing in his performance. Isn't he pushing 30? Hopefully he'll move up to the 5k soon.

he is the same age as El G. who are both 29/30.

[mzungu]

of course ritz ran 13:27.8 about three years ago, as a freshman, and luchini ran 13:25 last year and dobson ran 13:28 just now and hall ran 13:31 and tegenkamp ran 13:30 last(?) year, so 13:30 is not a great 5k, but it is a big pr(16 seconds) for a guy who ran 3:32.8/3:50.8 last year after running 13:46) and compares very well with scott's 5k pr, so you have to think a healthy webb will run 3:30 and high 3:48 this year. as for the disparaging remarks about webb, he IS world-class at 1500m/mile. look at his european competitions last year. he beat some very good people on several occasions and except for a kenyan team box at the london mile at the end of july he would have placed very well there as well.

as far as whether he should do better in the 5k with the right conditions, he ran something like 7:45-7 3k indoors this year, which equates to probably 13:15-13:22.

[daman]

of course ritz ran 13:27.8 about three years ago, as a freshman, and luchini ran 13:25 last year and dobson ran 13:28 just now and hall ran 13:31 and tegenkamp ran 13:30 last(?) year, so 13:30 is not a great 5k, but it is a big pr(16 seconds) for a guy who ran 3:32.8/3:50.8 last year after running 13:46) and compares very well with scott's 5k pr, so you have to think a healthy webb will run 3:30 and high 3:48 this year. as for the disparaging remarks about webb, he IS world-class at 1500m/mile. look at his european competitions last year. he beat some very good people on several occasions and except for a kenyan team box at the london mile at the end of july he would have placed very well there as well.

as far as whether he should do better in the 5k with the right conditions, he ran something like 7:45-7 3k indoors this year, which equates to probably 13:15-13:22.I can't see where you've disagreed with anything I said.

Webb is a world class miler.

It's not a great time.

We need to see him in a more robust 5k race to see what he really could do.

These points were all in my original post.

13:30 from a 3:50 miler isn't that hot. We need to see him in a 5000 against top competition with a pacesetter to see what he could really do. Frankly, I think a guy who can run 3:50 should be able to run sub 13:20 ALONE. Sheeit, 13:20 is only about 4:19 pace.

Really can't see any controversy in this, of course, it's Webb so no one dare be sacrilege. ;)

[runnindork4life]

to all the naysayers out there..if you truely believe this was an all out effort, and he cant go faster, and he was doing it as anything more then a tune up...throw away your computer..

the time wasnt great
it was done in impressive fashion
the races served its purpose

but your right, el g, lagat, ballaa, hesko, they are all running all out 5ks right now...


wait

no they arent

[daman]

to all the naysayers out there..if you truely believe this was an all out effort, and he cant go faster, and he was doing it as anything more then a tune up...throw away your computer..

the time wasnt great
it was done in impressive fashion
the races served its purpose

but your right, el g, lagat, ballaa, hesko, they are all running all out 5ks right now...


wait

no they arentBut if they ran a race like this, I think they all would go faster than 13:30.

[mzungu]

my point is that webb's 5k time, measured against his past 5k time, predicts big things from him in the 1500m/mile this year, so this shouldn't be an occasion to complain that he's not world class.

[trojanrunna]

But if they ran a race like this, I think they all would go faster than 13:30.
no **** el g would go faster than that. he's primarily a 5ker now.

[daman]

no **** el g would go faster than that. he's primarily a 5ker now.They all would go faster. 13:30 isn't fast for guys at this level, will you deny?

[trojanrunna]

They all would go faster. 13:30 isn't fast for guys at this level, will you deny?
no, point taken. but 13:30 bodes well for this season, will you deny?

[daman]

no, point taken. but 13:30 bodes well for this season, will you deny?
I think it's a non-result and nothing can be read into it.

[DCtrack]

That is an ignorant comment. You are making the assumption that Webb has to run a 5k time with a similar coefficient to someone else 1500-5k ratio in order for it to be a good sign. You do not acknowledge the progression of the only individual that is relevant. Last year in April, Webb ran 13:45? He went on to run 3:32. This year, he runs 13:30 in a year where he stated he is holding his peak off for longer. That makes it doubly impressive that he ran so much faster and closed in impresive fashion. Bravo Webb.

[daman]

Your comment is ignorant because you assume his 13:45 last year was all he was capable of. He likely was much faster.

What is the percentage dropoff in time from 13:45 to 13:30? Then take that percentage and apply it to his 3:32 last year and you'll see how you can't read into it:

A drop from 13:45 to 13:30= 1.91 per cent improvement

1.91 per cent applied to 3:32 equates to a 4 second 1500 improvement or 3:28, which is 2 seconds off the wr.

He won't run 3:28.

[honkforcookies]

Your comment is ignorant because you assume his 13:45 last year was all he was capable of. He likely was much faster.
:rolleyes:

[honkforcookies]

http://usatf.org/events/2004/OlympicTrials-TF/photos/day8/m1500mF/WEBBAlan13_KL.jpg

[Scotty]

Coupla obvious things:

No one is saying (or should be) that 13:30 is GREAT. However, a miler moving up, winning comfortably and running that time on 4/28, is certainly GOOD. Big difference between good (13:30) and great (say 13:18).

To say that Lagat and ElG would run faster is laughable. They are MUCH better runners than Webb. Not even close. OF COURSE they would have run faster. They're in a different league as athletes.

My guess is that Webb will EVENTUALLY run 13:12 (approx). It will never be his primary event, but he will be real tough at 5K. The 3k lines up a bit better for him. Who knows? Maybe 7:32 at some point?

[Mrr82]

My guess is that Webb will EVENTUALLY run 13:12 (approx). It will never be his primary event, but he will be real tough at 5K. The 3k lines up a bit better for him. Who knows? Maybe 7:32 at some point?

You think that's all webb will run ever? I thikn he could go 1315-1320 this season alone if he entered in another 5k with some better competition and nicer weather. Not sure what i think he's capable in the future...but i think 1312 is too slow.

I think Webb will run 348.5ish type mile/1500 this year...and 145 flatish in the 800.

[king99]

Mrr..I agree with you second time this millenium..and Scotty knows I slightly disagree with him on this one.

I also think that Webb in a pulled along special could go 13:20's low right now at least , and 13;15 if he were to run it in late season.

He just ran 13:30 running one 200 all out

I think he's a 13:0 guy at least.

By the way considering he was solo and would be a college senior age wise, is there anyone doubting that ONLY Ritz in his own year can beat him at even this distance?

he has shown a propensity to move up effectivelly , eeven if his body type (i.e. big tem tail back) fools us!!

[mzungu]

I think it's a non-result and nothing can be read into it.

come on! don't be absurd.

[Shen Rules]

What was Webbs 800 split on the SMR? Can't seem to find it anywhere.

[Kniteryder]

What was Webbs 800 split on the SMR? Can't seem to find it anywhere.

1:47.7

[Scotty]

You think that's all webb will run ever? I thikn he could go 1315-1320 this season alone if he entered in another 5k with some better competition and nicer weather. Not sure what i think he's capable in the future...but i think 1312 is too slow.

I think Webb will run 348.5ish type mile/1500 this year...and 145 flatish in the 800.

Actually I have said all along that Webb moves up better than he does down (not a great 800 guy), but I am not sure how fast he will actually wind up running. I'm not talking about what he CAN do, but what he WILL do. 13:12 may be conservative...Still, I do not see him running 13:05 UNLESS he becomes a 5k guy. As I have said before, I view Webb as a 1500/Miler, that will very successfully move to 3k (a great event for him in the next coupla yrs).

[one_more_mile]

Didnt he run around that for a split on his 4x8 team in high school?

[Bon]

I could see him move up to the 5000 in his mid to late 20's as his main event. Dont know if he has the sprint in him the last 150 meters of an Olympic or World final 1500 to medal. However, he does have the leg speed for a 5000 that may give him the chance for a medal in a tactical race. This leg speed (final lap) is what Kennedy did not have that kept him from a medal in the 5000. I think Webb is very capable of running well in the longer races. He has proved his strength many times in cross country.

[SwiperTheFox]

This is an excellent, excellent run for a miler who runs one track 5k per year in April at a meet not known for its fast open distance fields in recent years.

Anybody who does not see this as a very positive indicator for the upcoming season has to be really trying not to.

[Shen Rules]

Didnt he run around that for a split on his 4x8 team in high school?


Yeah and he ran 13:30 the day before it too....

[Zat0pek]

1:47.7

Is that accurate? If it is, that means he's within 1.6 seconds of his 800 PR (1:46.09) while clearly still focused on his strength work AND after running a 5,000 PR.

If that is accurate, I could see him hitting 1:45-low/1:44 high this year if he runs the 800 in Europe leading up to the WC's.

Add to this the fact he is 12 seconds ahead of last year at 3000 indoors and 16 seconds ahead of last year at 5,000 at Penn. And he has the luxury of going for a later summer peak this year as well.

Look for him to perform up a notch from where he was last year. My predicitions: 3:30-high/3:31 low; 3:47/3:48 and make the WC Finals. Those 1500 and mile times represent only a couple of seconds of improvement from last year, but those couple of seconds are a whole new league at this level.

[king99]

I kind of agree with Scotty..I am not sure Webb will be a 1;44 type zat..just my opinion.I uesed to think so for sure though. HOWEVER , if all are fair here. He has run 1:46.09 a drop into 1:45.xx country would appear to be easily within grasp.

then just cathc one right in next 4 years and he could go that low.

Then he would be 1 :44.xx guy up to probably 13:20's at least, not bad.

[Zat0pek]

I kind of agree with Scotty..I am not sure Webb will be a 1;44 type zat..just my opinion.I uesed to think so for sure though. HOWEVER , if all are fair here. He has run 1:46.09 a drop into 1:45.xx country would appear to be easily within grasp.

then just cathc one right in next 4 years and he could go that low.

Then he would be 1 :44.xx guy up to probably 13:20's at least, not bad.

Webb will capable of going WAY below 13:20 IF he focuses his efforts there as his primary event. As long as he only runs them as early season efforts, I agree he may not go much faster than 13:20. If Centrowitz can run 13:12 and Salazar 13:11, Webb will have a sub-13:10 in him at some point, and its not laugable to say he could run sub-13:00 if he were to focus his efforts there as his primary event and run some 5,000's in July and August. Whether he ever does that is a whole other question.

It is a big mistake to NOT think that Webb may well be them most talented mile/5,000 runner the U.S. has ever produced. And at only 22, there is a lot left in him. I learned a long time ago not to underestimate this kid.

Just remember, a year ago if someone had predicted that Webb would run 3:32, win a Grand Prix race and beat Lagat in the process, they would have been hounded unmercifully. I would not at all be surprised to see him end his career with sub-1:45, sub-3:30 and sub-13:00 PR's.

[Mrr82]

Is that accurate? If it is, that means he's within 1.6 seconds of his 800 PR (1:46.09)


Is that his pr? that sounds right...his USATF bio say 1:46.53 though. But 146.09 sounds more familiar....USATF seems to always have lots of mistakes in their bios.

[Mrr82]

Mrr..I agree with you second time this millenium..

King...don't go lying now...you know you've agreed with me at least 2.5 times this millenium.

[Dragonsoul]

Webb ran 1:46.09 or something in Early August last year I believe in Malmo.

I believe Webb split 1:48 the other day at Penn.

Webb ran 13:46 in a very similar type race a year ago, and ran 3:32/3:50 later in the season. This year he runs 13:30! Be happy! I believe he'd run 3:29 high or 3:30 low this year, and 3:47(if he gets good conditions in London).

Great race for Webb!

I see Webb doing: Prefontaine Classic Mile, Usatf Champs 1500, London Mile, Helsinki 1500. What other meets do you think he'll run?

Also...Lagat ran 3:27 last year, I don't care if he's 52 years old, he should stay in the 1500, don't you know how fast that time is?! He wants Beijing Gold in 1500.

Webb ran a great race for HIM, whether or not other milers of similar speed have run faster 5k's, I don't care. His personal improvement in the 5000 bodes very well for his improvement this year in the 1500. Pretty fun!

I'll be in attendance at Adidas/Home Depot Invite and Usatf Champs. I'll watch the 1500s!!!

[mzungu]

webb at sub 13? i'm not sure. bk was at 7:30 3k and 12:58 5k. right now webb is at 7:45 or 7:47 for 3k and 13:30 5k. the 5k time will come down a lot and he should be able to break 7:40 this year outdoors if he tries in June or July. But 7:30 is flying. webb certainly has the tools to do everything up to 5k. he has a fantastic mile already and he is a guy with very strong endurance, making 12k worlds last year, right? sub 1:46 is going to happen in the right race this year--i predict 1:45.4. sub-1:44? he has the leg speed and endurance to do it, but to this point has not thrown down a great 800.

[Dragonsoul]

He made the 12k team last year but didn't run. I believe Webb is in high 7:30's shape for the 3k right now. I expect him not to run a 3k before Helsinki. If he did one I'd think it would half to be after Helsinki. Because he would want 1500's and 800's before Helsinki. It would be ultimate if he ran in Brussels 3000! Or maybe he should run the 1500 there? I predict Webb runs 1:45 and 3:30 low/3:29 high this year. He could run 3:47 this year but it depends on how the conditinos are in London(his only chance). He could run 7:35 to 7:40 in Brussels 3k if he did it. I expect him NOT to run a 3k this year at all. And no more 5k's this year. From now on only 800/1500/Mile races.

I wonder what races he will run. Prefontaine Classic Mile, Usatf 1500, London Mile, and Helsinki 1500 should be on his schedule. I believe he'd run some races soon before Prefontaine Classic, maybe Hengelo 1500 and an 800, we'll see. I have a feeling that he'd run the James Madison university last chance 800/1500 this year again(next week). Is he entered? What do you guys think?