CN 3rd @ Penn DMR

[GeorgieTheK]

awaiting splits


lace Name Affiliation Time
1 NwtnNrth 10:04.15
2 P-Burg 10:12.96
3 ColtsNck 10:13.34
4 CnclRkNo 10:15.98
5 ERsvltMD 10:20.94
6 ChrstnBA 10:21.07
7 Herndon 10:21.82
8 MnFarrll 10:22.72
9 Niskayun 10:23.60
10 CdO'Hara 10:24.60
11 NRocklnd 10:24.94
12 Cranford 10:25.29
13 Arlingtn 10:30.20
14 Ridgwood 10:32.91
15 LgBeachP 10:40.36
16 BurntHBL

[Kniteryder]

awaiting splits


lace Name Affiliation Time
1 NwtnNrth 10:04.15
2 P-Burg 10:12.96
3 ColtsNck 10:13.34
4 CnclRkNo 10:15.98
5 ERsvltMD 10:20.94
6 ChrstnBA 10:21.07
7 Herndon 10:21.82
8 MnFarrll 10:22.72
9 Niskayun 10:23.60
10 CdO'Hara 10:24.60
11 NRocklnd 10:24.94
12 Cranford 10:25.29
13 Arlingtn 10:30.20
14 Ridgwood 10:32.91
15 LgBeachP 10:40.36
16 BurntHBL


WOW...NN rolled...! BUt great job by CN to come in 3rd!

[njrunz]

What happened to Ridgewood?

[GeorgieTheK]

prediction of the year:

Originally Posted by Reuben Frank

4. Council Rock North 10:15.89 (gotta stick up for my district, even though they haven't broken 10:35!)


4 10:15.98 M Council Rock North

[GeorgieTheK]

mile results:

Place Name Affiliation Time
1 Andrew Jesien Walter Johnson MD 4:10.80
2 Oliver Townsend Baylor School TN 4:11.91
3 Sandy Roberts Broughton NC 4:14.18
4 Michael Chapa J.R. Tucker VA 4:15.47
5 Sean Doyle North Penn PA 4:15.83
6 Mark Russell Lockport NY 4:16.12
7 Patterson Wilhelm E.C. Glass VA 4:18.05
8 Travis Prejean Jamestown NY 4:19.74
9 Bryan Scotland St. Benedict's Prep NJ 4:19.91
10 Luis German Southampton NY 4:21.48
11 Thomas Webb Bishop Hendricken RI 4:23.21
12 Paul Ahern Londonderry NH 4:24.31
13 Derrick Robbins Woodside VA 4:24.47
14 Joe Simpson Southern Regional NJ 4:29.41


not looking like such a great day for jersey.

[The Dizzle]

anyone with any splits of the nj teams?

[njrunz]

1 Bobby Papazian Gill St. BernardÕs NJ 8:29.08
2 Sam Luff Emmaus PA 8:33.45
3 Jeffrey Perrella Westfield NJ 8:33.50
4 Geary Gubbins Southampton NY 8:33.65
5 Jeff Weiss McGuffey PA 8:35.89
6 Colin Leak Unionville PA 8:36.91
7 Steven Duplinsky Georgetown Prep MD 8:38.25
8 Geoff McGrane Randolph NJ 8:38.69
9 Kevin McDermott Chaminade NY 8:41.80
10 Brian Cullen East Stroudsburg PA 8:41.89
11 Curtis Bixler Cumberland Valley PA 8:42.50
12 Tristram Thomas McDonogh School MD 8:42.61
13 Michael Spencer West Springfield VA 8:43.56
14 Josh Hibbs Hatboro-Horsham PA 8:43.84
15 Jason Weller Boyertown PA 8:45.25
16 Tyler McCandless Northampton PA 8:45.74
17 Mason McElroy J.R. Tucker VA 8:47.98
18 Dan Martin Commack NY 8:50.35
19 Ben Massom Chatham NJ 8:52.00
20 Dwight Parker Woodlawn MD 8:55.51
21 James LaGreca Northern Valley Regional NJ 8:56.37
22 Adugna Dentamo Zebulon Vance NC 8:58.99
23 Amin Garnett Coatesville PA 9:02.87
24 Andrew Mercurio La Salle Academy RI 9:22.91

[GeorgieTheK]

not looking like such a great day for jersey....uhhh, change that!

1 Bobby Papazian Gill St. BernardÕs NJ 8:29.08
2 Sam Luff Emmaus PA 8:33.45
3 Jeffrey Perrella Westfield NJ 8:33.50
4 Geary Gubbins Southampton NY 8:33.65
5 Jeff Weiss McGuffey PA 8:35.89
6 Colin Leak Unionville PA 8:36.91
7 Steven Duplinsky Georgetown Prep MD 8:38.25
8 Geoff McGrane Randolph NJ 8:38.69

[epsilon1395]

anyone have any splits for Colts Neck?

[Kniteryder]

not looking like such a great day for jersey....uhhh, change that!


LOL..I was gonna say the samething!! Great job Papappappapazian!

[tach44444]

LOL..I was gonna say the samething!! Great job Papappappapazian!

indeed, bobby p. respresenting!!!
also another NJ win

1 Ruben McCoy Aub 52.61

[MaestroXC]

Colt's Neck did well, but how about Phillipsburg in second?

Splits:

1 10:04.15 B Newton North
Dave Polgar (3:06.4), Dave Slifer (49.8), Jed Carpenter (1:57.4), Chris Barnicle (4:10.6)

2 10:12.96 L Phillipsburg
Bryan Lein (3:07.1), Michael Turner (51.1), Justin Gaymon (2:00.9), Joshua Davis (4:13.9)

3 10:13.34 A Colts Neck
Zach Tedoff (3:13.8), Chris Clark (50.4), Ryan Jagielski (1:55.8), Craig Forys (4:13.3)

4 10:15.98 M Council Rock North
John Mahoney (3:11.1), Ricky Goettel (50.3), Keith Capecci (1:59.2), Brandon Pomerantz (4:15.4)

5 10:20.94 R Eleanor Roosevelt
Kelli Thibou, Anthony Walker, Romaine McKay (1:53.7), Mikias Gelagle

6 10:21.07 D Christian Brothers Academy
Chris Horel (3:15.2), Brandon Leniart (50.3), Peter Glackin (1:57.3), Greg Leach (4:18.3)

Ridgewood was cooking, until something happened to Cator:

14 10:32.91 E Ridgewood
Byron Williams (3:06.7), Jeremy Schmidt (51.6), Niall Buckley (1:57.5), Michael Cator (4:37.1)

[Joe Lanzalotto]

1 Bobby Papazian Gill St. BernardÕs NJ 8:29.08
2 Sam Luff Emmaus PA 8:33.45
3 Jeffrey Perrella Westfield NJ 8:33.50
4 Geary Gubbins Southampton NY 8:33.65
5 Jeff Weiss McGuffey PA 8:35.89
6 Colin Leak Unionville PA 8:36.91
7 Steven Duplinsky Georgetown Prep MD 8:38.25
8 Geoff McGrane Randolph NJ 8:38.69
9 Kevin McDermott Chaminade NY 8:41.80
10 Brian Cullen East Stroudsburg PA 8:41.89
11 Curtis Bixler Cumberland Valley PA 8:42.50
12 Tristram Thomas McDonogh School MD 8:42.61
13 Michael Spencer West Springfield VA 8:43.56
14 Josh Hibbs Hatboro-Horsham PA 8:43.84
15 Jason Weller Boyertown PA 8:45.25
16 Tyler McCandless Northampton PA 8:45.74
17 Mason McElroy J.R. Tucker VA 8:47.98
18 Dan Martin Commack NY 8:50.35
19 Ben Massom Chatham NJ 8:52.00
20 Dwight Parker Woodlawn MD 8:55.51
21 James LaGreca Northern Valley Regional NJ 8:56.37
22 Adugna Dentamo Zebulon Vance NC 8:58.99
23 Amin Garnett Coatesville PA 9:02.87
24 Andrew Mercurio La Salle Academy RI 9:22.91

Bobby P looking great, but Perrella was great too! Who said it wasn't a good day for Jersey???!??!?

[Joe Lanzalotto]

Colt's Neck did well, but how about Phillipsburg in second?

Splits:

1 10:04.15 B Newton North
Dave Polgar (3:06.4), Dave Slifer (49.8), Jed Carpenter (1:57.4), Chris Barnicle (4:10.6)

2 10:12.96 L Phillipsburg
Bryan Lein (3:07.1), Michael Turner (51.1), Justin Gaymon (2:00.9), Joshua Davis (4:13.9)

3 10:13.34 A Colts Neck
Zach Tedoff (3:13.8), Chris Clark (50.4), Ryan Jagielski (1:55.8), Craig Forys (4:13.3)

4 10:15.98 M Council Rock North
John Mahoney (3:11.1), Ricky Goettel (50.3), Keith Capecci (1:59.2), Brandon Pomerantz (4:15.4)

5 10:20.94 R Eleanor Roosevelt
Kelli Thibou, Anthony Walker, Romaine McKay (1:53.7), Mikias Gelagle

6 10:21.07 D Christian Brothers Academy
Chris Horel (3:15.2), Brandon Leniart (50.3), Peter Glackin (1:57.3), Greg Leach (4:18.3)

Ridgewood was cooking, until something happened to Cator:

14 10:32.91 E Ridgewood
Byron Williams (3:06.7), Jeremy Schmidt (51.6), Niall Buckley (1:57.5), Michael Cator (4:37.1)

Those first two legs for NN put them 1.8 up on Pburg and 7.8 up on CN. Ridgewood must have been right in there, only down 1.9 to NN.

[GeorgieTheK]

that 1200 leg was the key, huh?

i guess NN is much better than we all thought - props to them.

[Joe Lanzalotto]

that 1200 leg was the key, huh?

i guess NN is much better than we all thought - props to them.

The 49.8 didn't hurt much either. I'd like to hear how Barnicle ran that anchor - was he presssing, cruising, or what?

[kerm-ott]

You people love to play favorites. Everyone goes on and on about CN (even title the thread CN gets 3rd) and not say word one about P'burg. They beat CN, had a 3:07 12 leg and a 4:13 anchor from Davis. But, no let's just go on and on about CN.

[tach44444]

You people love to play favorites. Everyone goes on and on about CN (even title the thread CN gets 3rd) and not say word one about P'burg. They beat CN, had a 3:07 12 leg and a 4:13 anchor from Davis. But, no let's just go on and on about CN.

this guy is actually right, P'Burg did get 2nd. i guess no one was really expecting them to do anything, and they weren't really mentioned in the preview or anything. joshua davis and forys ran practically the same time.

[Shep]

Cator faded hard down the stretch hard... He went out hard, but couldn't keep it rolling. 4:37 really hurt them after they were sitting pretty after 800m. It's all good though, NJ in the DMR was a good show with Forys and Davis bangin out over the last 1200m.

[tach44444]

Cator faded hard down the stretch hard... He went out hard, but couldn't keep it rolling. 4:37 really hurt them after they were sitting pretty after 800m. It's all good though, NJ in the DMR was a good show with Forys and Davis bangin out over the last 1200m.

so cator went out too fast? splits?

[GeorgieTheK]

You people love to play favorites. Everyone goes on and on about CN (even title the thread CN gets 3rd) and not say word one about P'burg. They beat CN, had a 3:07 12 leg and a 4:13 anchor from Davis. But, no let's just go on and on about CN.


i apologize for the title of the thread. i took a quick glance at the results, looked for CN, CBA, and ridgewood.

i don't know anything about p-burg - and initially i wasn't even sure it was the jersey p-burg. i thought there might be a pa. school with the same name.

anyway, great run by them. 4:13 anchor @ penn is very studly. seeing as i know nothing about davis, can someone care to enlighten me as to his stats?

doing a quick post-race quarterbacking, i'd say CBA and CN are disappointed, no. ridgewood, well, they ran well - but going out too hard @ penn and you pay the price.

[MaestroXC]

anyway, great run by them. 4:13 anchor @ penn is very studly. seeing as i know nothing about davis, can someone care to enlighten me as to his stats?


A senior at Phillipsburg, Josh ran 4:16 and 1:56 in the state meets last year, including a 4th place in the 1600 at the Meet of Champions as well as a 1:56/4:17/9:41 two-day double at sectionals.

I feel like he's run at least 1:54 as well for the 800, but I can't find any results to confirm that.

The Star Ledger has the last laugh, as this was posted last year on June 17 by Chris Kowalczyk:

"Next year, Davis will anchor would could be the state's best distance medley team. Phillipsburg ran 10:24.62 in the DM this season with all underclassmen."

[polyxc]

The 49.8 didn't hurt much either. I'd like to hear how Barnicle ran that anchor - was he presssing, cruising, or what?
I read somewhere that Barnicle was dissapointed with his time, so the assumption could be that he was pressing.

[bongturk]

i really don't subscribe to the "the 1200 leg is the most important" theory, but it cetainly held true today. i was hoping that cn would be a few seconds ahead of barnicle so he and forys could really do battle in the last lap but he was so far in front it was almost a time trial for him. he certainly looks like he could get real close to 4:05 in a fast paced competitive mile. i hope he gets one on the 14th.too bad they weren't in the third heat of the college DM. they would have been fairly close to BC.
great under the radar run by philipsburg. i thought forys might run faster chasing but i missed his first quarter split so i'm not sure how fast he went out. i know he ran down quite a few teams.
papizan ran a great race because he looked like he could take off at any time but he waited and waited and then really put the hammer down in the last two laps. i don't know what happened to scotland he looked ok at the half but just had nothing on the last lap.

[tach44444]

interesting notes by Ed Grant on papazian from 2003 penn 3k:

"4) I had a strange feeling of deja vu watching our "Invisible Man," Bobby Papazian of Gill-St. Bernard's, running the 3K on Friday. He dropped back to last immediately, then began to work his way up, running even 70-second laps, while Brian Dalpiaz was pouring on a hot pace up front and dragging much of the field with him.

Bobby began passing runners on the next to last lap and was still doing so down the homestretch. Had this been a 2M (or that awful equivalent, the 3200) he would probably have been in the top six by the finish."

**don't know wat he means by invisible man** anyone know wat he means? and how is that deja vu?

[TrackNut]

Splits for Colts neck's Dm

Zach Tedoff 3:13
Chris Clark 50.4
Ryan Jagielski 1:55
Craig Forys 4:13.3

[Scotty]

[QUOTE=GeorgieTheK]that 1200 leg was the key, huh?QUOTE]

It almost ALWAYS is.

BTW, GK, great call on that Newton team. They were FAR AND AWAY the best team on the track. Barnicle got the stick basically alone, and churned out a 4:10.6, further gapping the field. He clearly could have gone slightly faster if needed.

[king99]

In this race it was all so simple..GK got it right from the get Go..Polgar gets then out in 3:06.4 and its done like dinner

DO NOT ever sell Forys short he ran 4:13.3 out in 59.6 chasing..it was a game effort


Barnicle CAN run faster either cahsing or more even..but anyone who saw him today..it is what it is.he ran easily but out very fast as you should with huge lead

[king99]

One thing by the way ..I have liked Josh davis for a while ask anyone..Forys ran faster and he is a SOPH and went out in at least 59.6..NOt a bad thing holding on like that

[MaestroXC]

Agreed; a very game leg from Forys.

[78Champ]

You people love to play favorites. Everyone goes on and on about CN (even title the thread CN gets 3rd) and not say word one about P'burg. They beat CN, had a 3:07 12 leg and a 4:13 anchor from Davis. But, no let's just go on and on about CN.
Really??? Are you sure about this kerm-ott??

Unless some people deleted posts, nobody is going "on and on about CN" before this post. The thread title was probably more a statement about them not winning than getting third. One person said "great job" another asked about their splits and that is it.

Why are you so offended by this?

JW

[king99]

Look? Kerm-ott

PBurg ran great, but the coach can even say all he wants thathe saw this coming

NO ONE else did..they ran 28 to get in..and Davis has not run anything SUB 4:20 since last June..the 3:07 leg? where di that come from. no one saw that coiming either

hey, they did a GREAT job..ran big in big spot..my own opinion if Forys is not out in 59.6 , order is reversed..not by much at all..but they get them late..Forys was out of gas..trying to make a dent in Barnicle who would have none of it...

[RBroady]

but Perrella was great too! Who said it wasn't a good day for Jersey???!??!?

knew this was comming for him, perfect day for it.

[kerm-ott]

Why are you so offended by this?

JW

Call me a fighter for the underdog. The same group of schools get mentioned over and over again in most threads. You knwo who these schools are and I agree that theyre all great teams. But I do get offendedn when teams or runners that come from "obscure" schools hardly even get noticed. CN (who I think is great team, with a wonderful coach) was the talk of the thread, it was even titled after them. While P'burg, who placed in front of them seemed to go fairly unnoticed. P'burg's name wasn't on anyone's tongue before the race and continued to go unmentioned after. While CN is constantly spoken of on the boards and with good reason.

I am easily upset by runner's not getting credit where it is due, mainly because in my tenure as an HS runner credit ws rarely given to me. People on the boards as well as journalists (not by any means a shot at Lambert, but to 2 newspapers further south that will go unnamed) play favorites. They'll talk about the same teams and runners in every article they write and continue to write about the same athletes even after they are beaten (sometimes repeatedly) by others who are less known.

[Paramount]

Thought I saw somewhere Barnicle like Forys went out in 59. By doing so, Barnicle never let Forys get close. Barnicle made it clear that anyone looking to catch him would need a sub 4:10. Too much for Forys, at least this year.

[king99]

Anyone trying to get NN would have had to run a lot faster than that..try 4:05..or more

Forys , I had out in 59.6, Barnicle did discourage any takers by going 59.5

[GeorgieTheK]

. .
People on the boards as well as journalists (not by any means a shot at Lambert, but to 2 newspapers further south that will go unnamed) play favorites. They'll talk about the same teams and runners in every article they write and continue to write about the same athletes even after they are beaten (sometimes repeatedly) by others who are less known.

Once again, I apologize for slighting Phillipsburg in the title of the thread, I didn't even realize that it was the Jersey P-burg.

In terms of playing favorites, schools that get the press - such as CBA and CN, and even Ridgewood, SHP, etc. are all schools that traditionally run big meets. Phillipsburg did next to nothing indoors - their stud Josh Davis was 9th @ MOC 800 in 2:00 - is it any wonder why they were off the radar? Meanwhile, CBA and CN ran big races @ Easterns and NISC.

The people that get press run big races consistently. However hose that don't get the press, the underdogs, and run well get the last laugh. Medals and awards.

[kerm-ott]

2004 AOC

13 Phillipsburg HS 'A' 10:20.94 1) Bryan Lein 06 2) Justin Gaymon 05 3) Kenny Wilson 05 4) Joshua Davis 05


Not a very big meet.


Also, I know another NJ runner who did nothing indoors. Bobby Papazian.

[Joe Lanzalotto]

2004 AOC

13 Phillipsburg HS 'A' 10:20.94 1) Bryan Lein 06 2) Justin Gaymon 05 3) Kenny Wilson 05 4) Joshua Davis 05


Not a very big meet.


Also, I know another NJ runner who did nothing indoors. Bobby Papazian.

That's 2004 AOC as in, what 10 months ago. No one is saying they don't deserve credit but you're taking it too far. BTW, when Papazian did not run indoors, he did win MOC in XC last fall, right? Not quite 10 months ago. Pburg deserves all the credit in the world, but they will suffer a bit from not having the tradition that those others schools have. It's just the way it is. Meanwhile, if they keep running as well as they are now, the accliam will catch up with them

[herr]

What tradition does Colts Neck have? Great job by P-burg. Guys run big on the big day. They deserve props. Fory's might have woulda coulda, but--is what it is -- Davis brings them home in second at Penn in the DMR. Pretty amazing. Who would have thought??? It will be interesting to see if they can build on this going into the big meets in the spring.

[Reuben Frank]

we were over at the intermediates start/finish for Lenape/Villanova grad Mike Brown's win yesterday morning in the OD400IH and got to meet Justin for a few minutes. what a great kid. tough racer. he did a real good job dealing with the bad conditions. New Jersey, we just crank out the intermediate hurdlers.

[GeorgieTheK]

What tradition does Colts Neck have?

They have recent big race results. They were Eastern and NSIC champions in the DMR - the fastest time in the country indoors. In addition, they are notable because of their big anchor - forys, who i don't think we need to argue, is worthy of at least some of the "hype" after his great freshman year, and fine soph xc season.

Again, all the accolades in the world to Pburg. They ran big when it counted, and I'm sure that silver looks much better than bronze - or nothing at all.

In any case, if Phillipsburg wasn't off the radar, why weren't the defenders of the underdogs championing them before. Where was somebody saying, hey, maybe Pburg will place highly? Truth is, most people overlooked them.

[scott c]

I can honestly say that I thought P-Burg was the least hyped of the five NJ schools in the DMR. George pretty much said it, they didn't do much indoors. You can go back to last year all you want, but since then it was obvious that Colts Neck and CBA had done big things. Ridgewood put on a great show at Arcadia and even Cranford had a state champion anchoring them. Phillipsburg ran a fantastic race to erase a big question mark.

Josh Davis really opened my eyes last spring - it looked like the Group III 1600 all over again out there on Friday - and it looks like he's ready to roll again. The indoor season really didn't go well for him after the state relays, fall in Group III 800, etc. I have to thank Lambert for introducing me so I could give them some credit in my story.

Wonder if Kerm-Ott got to read that one.

As far as some one saying that Colts Neck would have been disappointed that's not the case. They ran 2 seconds faster than their Armory time, and I'm in agreement with King that it's a hard thing to do. Jagielski really was the key for them, getting back into the race. Glackin roared past him on his way to a 54-high first quarter, but Jagielski never panicked and did a great job.

I spoke with Ryan and Craig after the race, and if there was disappointment they hid it pretty well.

[Scotty]

Truth be told, a former coach of mine was discussing the Boys DMR field with me about 2hrs before the race. He opened the program, pointed to P-Burg, and said "Dark Horse". Of course, he was not he ONLY one picking PBurg to finish high, but he was one of the few, for sure.

[Fabolous Wilson]

That's 2004 AOC as in, what 10 months ago. No one is saying they don't deserve credit but you're taking it too far. BTW, when Papazian did not run indoors, he did win MOC in XC last fall, right? Not quite 10 months ago. Pburg deserves all the credit in the world, but they will suffer a bit from not having the tradition that those others schools have. It's just the way it is. Meanwhile, if they keep running as well as they are now, the accliam will catch up with them

Tradition!? What is this an Ed Grant Article? The fact that you are dismissing Philipsburg's 10 month old National's DMR time is way beyond subjective. What tradition does Colts Neck have?? Craig Forys... because if we're looking into indoor they were the Dream Team this winter! 2nd @ Gr. III Relays... One kid qualifying for Meet of Champions in a distance event? It wasn't until a healthy Forys whipped them into 10:16 shape. If anything the mere fact that Craig Forys was their anchor was the sole reason as to why they are talked about so much, (and probably also why thread titles continue to glorify them). Let's not kid ourselves... there are favorites here on Dyestat's NJ Board!

[Joe Lanzalotto]

Tradition!? What is this an Ed Grant Article? The fact that you are dismissing Philipsburg's 10 month old National's DMR time is way beyond subjective. What tradition does Colts Neck have?? Craig Forys... because if we're looking into indoor they were the Dream Team this winter! 2nd @ Gr. III Relays... One kid qualifying for Meet of Champions in a distance event? It wasn't until a healthy Forys whipped them into 10:16 shape. If anything the mere fact that Craig Forys was their anchor was the sole reason as to why they are talked about so much, (and probably also why thread titles continue to glorify them). Let's not kid ourselves... there are favorites here on Dyestat's NJ Board!


You need to read the posts that precipitated this response after you calm down. Kermott cited Pburg's 2004 AOC performance in response to a post that said they did next to nothing indoors. Can you see the fault in the logic that uses a 2004 outdoor performance to refute that statement?

No one is dissing Pburg's performance at Penn. They ran freakin' great. Whetehr or not you want to acknowledge it, they do not have the rep that some other schools have. Two of you now have cited Colt's Neck as a program with "no tradition" (funny how you diss the whole idea of tradition, then validate it by trying to disprove it). Like it or not the coach has been around NJ high school track and track in general for "a while". That gives them some credibility.

None of this is to take a THING away from Pburg. Not one thing. They ran great, have tough, fast athletes and will continue to do well as they build their own tradition.

Now tell me that YOU predicted they would do as well as they did at Penn.

[king99]

Credibility is established FROM what you run.

PBurg is NOW very credible.

Prior to this CN had whacked anyone that took a shot at them ..AND way more recently than last years AOC

It is NOT only that..BUT the fact that like it or not ,Josh Davis had run a bunch of very good to average times for a guy of his obvious talent.

Some 2 flats some 4:21's. now he anchors in 4:13.9 1600? Big Time run, but only his coach he and his parents may have seen that coming.

Certainly NONE of us could have,,oh folks can say they did, but they would have been better than Karnac. There was nothing to indicate this.

Now is that enough for you guys?(Younger guys?) Or do you want more.

[PFFlyer]

Kinger is right. Phillipsburg literally flew right in under the radar on this one. With only Davis and Gaymon having any success on the track outside last year (26 of their 39 points in G3), It was really a no brainer to overlook them.
Like it or not, teams with reps (CBA) or hot anchors (Newton, CN) got the spotlight in the prognostications.
The fact that it took 10 posts on this thread before MaestroXC called Phillipsburg out seems to be what got under the skin of Kermie and some of the others. "It is what it is". Nobody who made a pick included P'burg and for good reason, they were not a favorite.
Now they will have the pressure of expectations for the rest of the eason and we'll see if a tradition builds.

[Track169x]

I have been watching this thread since it started.. To say that CN is primarily made up of Forys, is utter nonsense... Yes, Craig ran a 4:13 anchor, BUT CN had 3 faster legs than P-burg. Jagielski ran a great leg at 1:55 and who was it saying that CN couldn't do it with their 400 legover the winter, 50.4 as 2nd fastest in the top 3 400 legs at Penn.

Schlentz has been around Track for a long time, and if there is tradition there it is the fact the the kids on that team train very hard and are a very close knit group of kids who strive to be the best they can be. If anything, they are starting a tradition of excellece(sp). Bear in mind they are still a group 3 school which is only 6 or so yrs old. I credit Jim for building a very succesful youg program. But to say the have nobody but a fast anchor, it insane.

Look at the splits again...

Splits:

1 10:04.15 B Newton North
Dave Polgar (3:06.4), Dave Slifer (49.8), Jed Carpenter (1:57.4), Chris Barnicle (4:10.6)

2 10:12.96 L Phillipsburg
Bryan Lein (3:07.1), Michael Turner (51.1), Justin Gaymon (2:00.9), Joshua Davis (4:13.9)

3 10:13.34 A Colts Neck
Zach Tedoff (3:13.8), Chris Clark (50.4), Ryan Jagielski (1:55.8), Craig Forys (4:13.3)

4 10:15.98 M Council Rock North
John Mahoney (3:11.1), Ricky Goettel (50.3), Keith Capecci (1:59.2), Brandon Pomerantz (4:15.4)

5 10:20.94 R Eleanor Roosevelt
Kelli Thibou, Anthony Walker, Romaine McKay (1:53.7), Mikias Gelagle

6 10:21.07 D Christian Brothers Academy
Chris Horel (3:15.2), Brandon Leniart (50.3), Peter Glackin (1:57.3), Greg Leach (4:18.3)

I am ssing that CN had trouble on the 1200, but then Clark was tied for 3rd fastest 400 split in top 6, Jagielski was 2nd fastest, as was Fory's in his leg. Tedoff ran 3:08 twice this year, he just didn't have it at Penn, he wil get it back AOC is over a month away.

Sorry for making this so long winded, but I was a bit disturbed by the comment that they have nobody but a fast anchor, b/c that is clearly NOT the case..

Just my $0.02

[king99]

you gain a lot of ground in DMR's plain and simple with sub 4:15 guys..especially ones who will run it ALL the time.

3;13.8 was weak..and is actually way below average..50+ is average at best of top flight teams and those two legs will bury you in top flight comp..penn is a good race but NOC will be even more brutal..

even 3:08.5 will have you deep

1:55.8 will compete almsot any time anywhere at 8..but two legs of 4 are average

[kerm-ott]

My point was made. I wanted P'burg recognized and they were. And I won't think twice about bringing out another school or runner that I think is overlooked by some of the vets on the board. As far as Track169's comments go, I won't respond because king covered my thoughts on it pretty well.

[PFFlyer]

If you are implying that I said CN had only 1 quality runner, you are way off base. You do not get into the Penn Relays DMR without a quality TEAM. Craig Forys is a hot runner who, as a soph, has already built an impressive resume. I never said that CN had "nobody but a fast anchor". Jim Schlentz is a good coach and a hell of nice guy who is doing nice things with a relatively new program.
Get over it. You can analyze the race to death and the result will be the same.

[Track169x]

King:

You are correct, but Tedoff had one bad race out of 5 in the last 1.5 months, (Easterns, NSIC and Penn) he will come back and run faster than the 3:08 he ran inside. I know these kids better than most people.

Fory's as an anchor will never hurt, but Barnicle is hurting his team either, CN isn't done yet, they train with Nationals in mind, and Penn was just a stop along the way. Indoors, they were above average, so I think thatthe same will be true atthe end of outdoor as well. I might be wrong, and if I am I am sure someone here will kill me for it, but I am tough skinned.

[Track169x]

I never said anything about being upset with the way CN ran, they ran what they ran, I too at first wasn't sure the the P-burg team listed was even from NJ. They ran a great race, that will never be taken away from them!

[king99]

I fully undertood what you were saying.

Kerm..it's easy to say folks were not giving P Burg credit ..AFTER it happened. I am looking for ALL those posts by you and others extolling their greatness ..Pre Penn

I thought CN about a 10:13-15 team as another poster knows for sure..

I thought that might get it done..

GK had it right..but he is only one I know that had NN going so low or even near that up front..even GK would not have predicted 3:06.4 for Polgar

NO ONE would have had P Burg at 3:07.1 other than kid and the coach..thats my whle point..

CN was the chalk going in..they had two big wins.

[kerm-ott]

I fully undertood what you were saying.

Kerm..it's easy to say folks were not giving P Burg credit ..AFTER it happened. I am looking for ALL those posts by you and others extolling their greatness ..Pre Penn


Point well taken king. I've only started posting a on a regular basis recently. So, I'm not on top of every argument. Now that I'm retired, I just collect social security and complain about things.

[PFFlyer]

Now that I'm retired,


Huh??

[Fabolous Wilson]

Huh??

He was making light of his recent stress fracture that has side lined him in injury reserve for the Spring Season... (Jokes my good friend) :D

[ACXC]

Sorry to hear that Ken will not run this season. He is a nice, classy athlete! Good luck to KK in college (Rowan?) and in the future!!

[MaroonNews]

"Phillipsburg in 10:12.96"

http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/421610896/12.jpg

[king99]

Indeed..and in the envelope it says 3:07.1 leadoff..

[ieatmeters]

Indeed..and in the envelope it says 3:07.1 leadoff..
That wouldn't make sense . . . have you ever seen the Carnac routine? :eek:

[king99]

okay ..on the envelope or ..in it..PBurg 1200 leg? it would say?