York....3 guys under 9:00?

[daman]

Mac, of course....and the cool thing about the Dettmans is if one of them runs a 9:06, you know immediately what the other one is capable of. And the Dettman's don't appear to be your usual tactical racers. From what I've seen of their race splits posted here they set an honest pace, then increase the pressure over the second half of the race, so we may finally get to see some fast state times.

And by 3 guys under 9:00, I mean for the whole season, obviously you only qualify 2 for state.

[caveman017]

Thats the gray area... why cant all 3 race, but only top 2 score at state? if they qualify, they qualify

[DirtyD]

no

[merun4fun]

Thats the gray area... why cant all 3 race, but only top 2 score at state? if they qualify, they qualify


then sectionals would pretty much have to be an open meet. that would be rediculous.

[runningjsc]

I'm pretty sure McNamara, and both the Dettman's will be running the 2 Mile at the Midwest Distance Gala so maybe we'll see all of them go sub 9 then.

[ILRun1]

I'm pretty sure McNamara, and both the Dettman's will be running the 2 Mile at the Midwest Distance Gala so maybe we'll see all of them go sub 9 then.

Marchese...does he have a shot? He looked great running with Dettman last night in the mile and if he had enough time to build his base he could be very low-9 as well.

[cgrunner2005]

Thats the gray area... why cant all 3 race, but only top 2 score at state? if they qualify, they qualify
In the states defense though, its pretty rare that you have 3 guys that can go to state in both the mile and 2 mile, maybe even 4 guys.

If they were to do a change, I think the most logical way woudl be that you could qualify for sectionals, by running a time under that of state qualifying if you are not one of the top 2 from your team. It would work much like the way you can qualify for state and not be 1 or 2 in your sectional, as long as u go under the time. I think this would be the best way, but it probably won't happen.

[huskie28]

rudy chapa, the greatest runner in indiana, had two teammates that were sub 9:10 back in the 70's, they were the three best in the state but only 2 of them could run at state

[black n gold]

if anything, york has the best chance to do this next year with the dettmans and marchese returning. what would be insane though, is if motgomery could somehow pull himself under 9. that would be 4 under

[ILRun1]

rudy chapa, the greatest runner in indiana, had two teammates that were sub 9:10 back in the 70's, they were the three best in the state but only 2 of them could run at state

Actually the two other guys were both under 9:00 in the two-mile (the actual two mile, not the 3200). Can you imagine running sub-9 and not making state? One of the guys is now the director of the Chicago Marathon.

[DinoParkTycoon]

though capable, i think theyve been doing different training for matt dettman. He seems to be doing more 800/1600 stuff and more speed related.

[Ace-Tres]

though capable, i think theyve been doing different training for matt dettman. He seems to be doing more 800/1600 stuff and more speed related.

You sure about that? Eric has the better time in the 800 and 1600?

[LongRunner88]

You sure about that? Eric has the better time in the 800 and 1600?

Matt has the fastest half... They just posted my name for it on the top times list for some reason.

[Coach Vandersteen]

Actually the two other guys were both under 9:00 in the two-mile (the actual two mile, not the 3200). Can you imagine running sub-9 and not making state? One of the guys is now the director of the Chicago Marathon.

Yes, all three went under 9:00 the same spring. It was Chapa, Pinkowski, and I can never remember the third guy's name. Sports Illustrated did a full page story on them! If my memory serves me correctly, Hammond High School went 1,2,4 in the Indiana State xc meet and was awarded the state championship team trophy to only hand it back later after they realized they made a scoring error. I watched Chapa run a 8:56 two mile in a driving rain storm. The crowd stayed put and chanted, "Rudy, Rudy, Rudy" every time he ran past them.

[zoominvon1]

The third runner was Tim Keough.

[EIllinois_pondDiver]

Matt has the fastest half... They just posted my name for it on the top times list for some reason.


its because you two are acctually one person. the whole "twins" thing is a conspiracy

[illinoisprepster]

Actually the two other guys were both under 9:00 in the two-mile (the actual two mile, not the 3200). Can you imagine running sub-9 and not making state? One of the guys is now the director of the Chicago Marathon.

Carey Pinkowski... I think Tim Keough is the other name. I don't think he had a slot on the post-season team either back in '75 :(

[huskie28]

what is the Midwest Distance Gala?

[ILRun1]

what is the Midwest Distance Gala?

www.midwestdistancegala.org

Keep an eye for more information on the above site tonight or early tomorrow and for some big announcements to take place in regards to who has commited over the next few weeks.

[ILRun1]

Carey Pinkowski... I think Tim Keough is the other name. I don't think he had a slot on the post-season team either back in '75 :(

Man, you and I had some good talks about those guys. Wouldnt it be great if the Dukes produced better results than that squad?

[runnerp]

Scott- Is Vernon Hills the official location for the Gala? Also would you be kind enough to post the rough entry standards again because of the change in messege board they aren't up anymore. Thanks

[ILRun1]

Scott- Is Vernon Hills the official location for the Gala? Also would you be kind enough to post the rough entry standards again because of the change in messege board they aren't up anymore. Thanks

I will post up the standards on the Gala site tonight or tomorrow. And yes, VHHS is the official site of the meet.

[ehof]

Sean McNamara better win a race in the MDG seeing as how his likeness is the meet's logo.

[ILRun1]

Sean McNamara better win a race in the MDG seeing as how his likeness is the meet's logo.

That isnt the meet logo. That logo is the one on IllinoisRunner.com right now.

[ehof]

It's also at the top left corner of the MDG website.

[ILRun1]

It's also at the top left corner of the MDG website.

I know it's at the top left hand corner. That is because the MDG is an Illinois Runner, Inc./Running Unlimited event.

[ILRun1]

Scott- Is Vernon Hills the official location for the Gala? Also would you be kind enough to post the rough entry standards again because of the change in messege board they aren't up anymore. Thanks

The entry standards are up on the meet website. www.midwestdistancegala.org. More information, including pictures of the facility, will be posted over the next few days.

[runnerp]

The entry standards are up on the meet website. www.midwestdistancegala.org. More information, including pictures of the facility, will be posted over the next few days.


Thank you, looks to be a very good meet. Hopefully a lot of the top midwest runners get out here. I will also say I think you made an excelent choice in facilities as the stadium there seems to be almost built for track, has an incredibly nice score board, the track is extreemly fast, and it is all about 2 years old. From competing there and attending a meet or 2 there it seems the atmosphere creates an added buzz and I think having the race there will just step up the uniquness and the greatness of what this event can have.

[ILRun1]

Thank you, looks to be a very good meet. Hopefully a lot of the top midwest runners get out here. I will also say I think you made an excelent choice in facilities as the stadium there seems to be almost built for track, has an incredibly nice score board, the track is extreemly fast, and it is all about 2 years old. From competing there and attending a meet or 2 there it seems the atmosphere creates an added buzz and I think having the race there will just step up the uniquness and the greatness of what this event can have.

Thanks for the support. I look forward to seeing you and all the Stevenson guys (both old and new) at the meet. I agree that the VH track is awesome. One of my rabbits for the race and I did a workout there last Tuesday and flew, it was awesome. Thanks again!

[ILRun1]

Scott,

Is there any chance that Glenn Morris will be ready to run again by the classic or is he just shooting for XC next fall?

Glenn will not be running in the meet. He is solely focusing on next fall, which is a very good idea. Too many kids rush back from injury and with how serious his injury was he is just playing it safe. Good news though is that he is back and running again finally.

[jrun]

No way are Dettmans sub-9 for 'full' 2miles. McNamara is probably a 8:55 guy, at fastest.

[point-eight-k]

I agree, I think Mac is the only one who will go under 9:00 this year.

I think Popejoy is the hidden threa that not a lot of people anicipate coming--he's hungry.

[milerkick]

I agree, I think Mac is the only one who will go under 9:00 this year.

I think Popejoy is the hidden threa that not a lot of people anicipate coming--he's hungry.

Dettman can't go 7 seconds faster but Popejoy can go 16? Why?

[Runr Of Cwood]

EIU State Meet Gala > midwest distance gala

***just a reminder

[DinoParkTycoon]

I agree, I think Mac is the only one who will go under 9:00 this year.

I think Popejoy is the hidden threa that not a lot of people anicipate coming--he's hungry.


Are you kidding me? What has he done since indoors. He always peaks early.

[PreLikedBeer]

Popejoy needs to run a fast two mile. Thats it, itll settle everything. Stop with these 422 421 miles of yours, run a damn two mile!

[Johnny Cash]

The entry standards are up on the meet website. www.midwestdistancegala.org. More information, including pictures of the facility, will be posted over the next few days.

Setup looks pretty good. I wish you luck with everything.

I do have a question about your naming of the 800 meter event; I'm down with the Jim Spivey twist, but is it really a dash?

[dirtlegged]

Are you kidding me? What has he done since indoors. He always peaks early.

not true, as a frosh he ran like 933 outdoors, and last year he got hurt after indoors. right now hes prolly just staying under the radar and will turn some heads at state

[merun4fun]

So what will York do for state? Mac-Dettman in the two mile and Dettman-Marchese in the mile? Or will Mac double?

what kind of question is that?

[antispandex73]

What's the big deal? I'm sure a lot of people are wondering other than me.
Actually, not that I know of.

[Runr Of Cwood]

yes, yes we do and if you were thinking, you would too

[antispandex73]

Yes. There is a reason why there has been so much talk of Mac winning the double at state this year.

[Ace-Tres]

I'll guess Mac is doubling then

Join the club.

[daman]

Dettman can't go 7 seconds faster but Popejoy can go 16? Why?Word...especially since both Dettman's have gone sub 4:20 and Popejoy hasn't, plus they beat him over 3 miles in xc too.

Hasn't EVER gone sub 4:20 I think.

[2milerelay]

Word...especially since both Dettman's have gone sub 4:20 and Popejoy hasn't, plus they beat him over 3 miles in xc too.

Hasn't EVER gone sub 4:20 I think.


I agree w/ ur point that I dont think Popejoy is anymore assured of going sub 9 than the Detts especially w/ Eric just running what he did, however, you can't be serious if you are trying to make a point about XC, no offense to him, but a lot of people beat him, often, the kid was hurt.

I agree that it seems that the Yorkies, and especially Matt have more speed that Popejoy though, I don't think Pope could hang w/ them in an 800m. As far as their miles though, and questioning Pope b/c he hasn't gone sub 4:20, solid point, but at the same time, all of the results i've seen of Popejoy around 4:21 or 4:22, nobody was around him, the Detts were pushed to some of those times, although I'm not saying they couldn't possibly do it on their own, I just have a lot of respect for Popejoy too

[merun4fun]

matt dettman did a 4:19 as a soph all alone at one of the DGS invites i think

[2milerelay]

alright kids a stud, nevermind that point then

the underclassmen in IL are ridiculous, I'll be back to watch state XC and track for sure

[daman]

I agree w/ ur point that I dont think Popejoy is anymore assured of going sub 9 than the Detts especially w/ Eric just running what he did, however, you can't be serious if you are trying to make a point about XC, no offense to him, but a lot of people beat him, often, the kid was hurt.

I agree that it seems that the Yorkies, and especially Matt have more speed that Popejoy though, I don't think Pope could hang w/ them in an 800m. As far as their miles though, and questioning Pope b/c he hasn't gone sub 4:20, solid point, but at the same time, all of the results i've seen of Popejoy around 4:21 or 4:22, nobody was around him, the Detts were pushed to some of those times, although I'm not saying they couldn't possibly do it on their own, I just have a lot of respect for Popejoy tooBut seeing as the Dettman's finished 2-3 in state xc, and one of them was 4th at NTN, I'd say it's unlikely that Popejoy would beat them at 3 miles, even healthy.

[2milerelay]

Ok, I can see where you're coming from w/ that then, just saying I dont think you can compare based on this fall, not sure I necessarily agree w/ that point anyway as Popejoy was #2 returner and it was not as if the Detts dominated everyone in state all year in XC anyway, but thats completely subjective and I have no personal experience w/ XC before this year

[Ace-Tres]

Word...especially since both Dettman's have gone sub 4:20 and Popejoy hasn't, plus they beat him over 3 miles in xc too.

Hasn't EVER gone sub 4:20 I think.

Sure he hasn't gone sub 4:20, YET. However, he does have to tools to accomplish that as can be seen below:

17. 4:07.9 Ken Popejoy '69 - Glen Ellyn Glenbard West. was 4:09.3 mile for GWI
2nd (Pre won in 4:06.4). Jr, '68 state mile 3rd. Sr, '69 state mile win in
4:16.2 & '68 state XC champ.

[daman]

Sure he hasn't gone sub 4:20, YET. However, he does have to tools to accomplish that as can be seen below:

17. 4:07.9 Ken Popejoy '69 - Glen Ellyn Glenbard West. was 4:09.3 mile for GWI
2nd (Pre won in 4:06.4). Jr, '68 state mile 3rd. Sr, '69 state mile win in
4:16.2 & '68 state XC champ.That's his daddy...not him....if it worked that way, then why didn't Mike run that fast?

He's got to show he can beat the Dettman's and guys like Craven and Finley too.

[Ace-Tres]

wait, are you saying Pre ran in illinois in high school?

It was most likely a national meet, maybe before the IHSA had travel restrictions? If you want the source for this information just ask, I'm sure you've already seen it though.

[runningjsc]

I'm pretty sure he's talking about when Pre won the Golden West Invite (CA), Popejoy was in that race, post state meet for both athletes.

[merun4fun]

alright i get it now

[king99]

Good thing for these guys you get the credit for running sub 9 for yards without ever having done it.

And sub 4:20 does not nearly equal sub 9, for the woulda coulda impaired.

Hi guys!! :D

[milerkick]

Good thing for these guys you get the credit for running sub 9 for yards without ever having done it.

And sub 4:20 does not nearly equal sub 9, for the woulda coulda impaired.

Hi guys!! :D

King,

1) Daman's thread title was referring to 9:00 for 3200 meters, not 2 miles.
2) Mac's run 9:00.xx, Dettman - 9:06 and a twin brother with comparable abilities.
3) If sub 4:20 equaled sub 9 they'd be talking about 4 guys (+ one guy right at 4:20). Nobody that knows anything equates the two.
4) You said Newton North had no chance to win at Penn last week and the other teams should be pissed they were even in the race. They won. Nice call, King (of the Doubters)! :D

[runningjsc]

king99=PWN'D

[DinoParkTycoon]

It wasn't a matter of peaking early, I believe it was injury-related every time. Growing pains, he's grown at least half a foot in the last 2 years if you haven't noticed.

It is also a lack of upkeep. How do you think popejoy ran a 9:16 indoors? We all saw from xc that he can't just whip himself into shape within a matter of weeks. If he could get himself into 9:16 shape over the winter, he not only would have been at state, but also competeing hard for top 5. I'm assuming he never even took a break after xc. How else do you explain a kid who is just be able to bust out a time like that out of winter training but can't make that jump up for cross in a matter of months. He is a beast and immensely talented, but show me something besides 4:22.

[milerkick]

Lets not stretch this too far just yet. I'm almost certain they don't have comparable 3,200 times.

The shorter the race, the more different their times are, so until I see a solid 3,200 out of him, then no..

I was almost beating Eric Dettman the two times I raced him last year, and I considered myself an "average/above average runner" that year...who knows.

This 2nd sentence doesn't make sense. Their 1600 times are about 1.5 seconds different now. You're saying they would be closer in a longer race like the 3200. How does that work? Their xc times are pretty close most of the time.

Also, please take into consideration that my replies were directed to king99 who just came here to rip Illinois runners/posters.

[ILRun1]

Lets not stretch this too far just yet. I'm almost certain they don't have comparable 3,200 times.

The shorter the race, the more different their times are, so until I see a solid 3,200 out of him, then no.

I was almost beating Eric Dettman the two times I raced him last year, and I considered myself an "average/above average runner" that year...who knows.

Eric Dettman though is the one that took first at Prospect, not Matt. If you are suggesting that Matt is the better runner (which he was last fall) than wouldn't it makes sense that he could be close to nine as well?

[point-eight-k]

According to Greenman they ran very comparable times (around 9:10 or so) in the York's October XC 2-Mile time trial.

Damn. I did not know this. Alright then, I'll delete my previous posts.

[point-eight-k]

That's actually pretty damn impressive. I never thought he'd get THAT good--and only in last fall. Wow.

Where did I miss this?

[king99]

I came on here to make a joke..something you have no idea how to read into..i.e. smiley face etc.

And your groups propensity to make predictions for guys that have not run within 5 seconds of certain times.

they will run what they run..and when they run it. I 'll bet one of two Dettman;s goes under 9 for 3200, still have to run it.

[milerkick]

I came on here to make a joke..something you have no idea how to read into..i.e. smiley face etc.

And your groups propensity to make predictions for guys that have not run within 5 seconds of certain times.

they will run what they run..and when they run it. I 'll bet one of two Dettman;s goes under 9 for 3200, still have to run it.

1) My reply had a smiley face too - couldn't you tell I was joking?

2) ALL groups make those kind of predictions. YOU predicted a PR for Webb in the 5K by more than 5 seconds in the coming season. Why can't people here make them?

3) Obviously.

[daman]

king99 must miss me, or else he wandered into the wrong hood.

Who gave anyone credit for times? It's just speculation on whether York can get 3 under 9:00. Withrow proved that speculation is good and fun.

Fo yo info:

Dettman ran 4:39/4:27with a 61 last lap. He took the lead after the mile, pushed the pace and still had the best kick. Tells me he can run faster. And anyone knows his bro is just as good. They both went 9:14 during xc and are both sub 4:20 right now.

fo fo fi - fo fi fo fo

(Jesse Jackson's phone #)

[Beowulf]

Mac ran 8:56, I believe the Dettman's ran 9:14 in the xc time trial and Kern did run slightly faster than Mac (from what I remember from the fall posts). On the Popejoy issue, I don't think ppl are giving him enough credit. Keep in mind he was the #2 returnee from the 2003 xc season (behind McNamara). I think he wouldve been right with the Dettman's and Luciano (btw, where is Luciano - I haven't heard anything from him outdoors this year) all year had he been healthy. The great thing about the 2-mile at state this year is you will have so many ppl capable of running under 9:10 (probably at least 7 guys counting only 2 york runners) that the race will likely be very fast as at least a couple of those guys will run a quick pace and force everyone to go with them.