Footlocker Results

[ILRun1]

Post the results here when they come out.

[daman]

Are you in contact with anyone? Is ILRun up there?

[ILRun1]

Are you in contact with anyone? Is ILRun up there?

I have a couple guys up there, but not sure how interested they were in the girls race, which should be done by now. ILRun is not up there, since I am here. :)

[daman]

Girls Qualifiers

1. Keara Sammons CO
2. Betsy Bies SD
3. Hannah Grinnaker MN
4. Bria Wetsch MN
5. Briget Franek OH
6. Alison Eckert SD
7. Lindsay Anderson ND
8. Alexandra Banfich IN
9. Liz Yetzer MN
10. Meredith Snow MO

Damn Illinois dorks!!! Everyone talking all season and now the big meets are here and everyone shuts up or talks about some gay football game!!

[BigBo]

:(

[dirtlegged]

what plaec was bastert?

[daman]

And Haberkorn.

[bravesfanatic4]

Ige wins.

[antispandex73]

Weave posted that Craven and Finley qualified, with Havel 12th.

[phrisbee]

No Dettmen, unsure about Stevens and Jager according to Weave...

[antispandex73]

1. Mohamud Ige CO
2. Landon Peacock MI
3. Brock Hagerman IN
4. Ryan Craven IL
5. Jeremy Stevens IL
6. Dan Roberts CO
7. Steve Finley IL
8. Noah Shannon CO
9. Evan Jager IL
10. Deshawn Turner IN

[ROCK]

4, that's awesome. Where did Escareno finish?

[runningstart2]

no only 3, they get two more from NTN thats how you get the 10 to go to nationals. that would be pretty cool if both dettmans made it for the midwest, then we would have 5 illinois guys at footlocker.

[bobbles]

no, midwest is ten from FLMW 0 from NTN

[run2win]

no only 3, they get two more from NTN thats how you get the 10 to go to nationals. that would be pretty cool if both dettmans made it for the midwest, then we would have 5 illinois guys at footlocker.

obviously you havent been on here recently, that was last years policy, now it is top 10 for all regions but the west, which uses the system you described.

[BigBo]

5 in the top 12. well done Ill

[Runr Of Cwood]

Jager is my homeboy?

[run2win]

where did the other IL guys finish??

Popejoy, dettmans, escareno.

[daman]

The guys stepped up big....thanks, bruthas, for saving us a lot of abuse on here!!!:D

[super soaker]

so jager didnt qualify?

[daman]

so jager didnt qualify?He qualified.

[xcviking07]

yeah, he did...10 qualify

[Runr Of Cwood]

so jager didnt qualify?

He qualified....and 99.6% he wont run.

[xcviking07]

why??

[super soaker]

why wont he run

[LetsGo10]

no he did.

[Ace-Tres]

no he did.

no sh it, I think they are talking about the actualy FL National in San Diego.

[daman]

Hey...great year for Illinois....

1. Last Feb. Torres, Sage, Broe, and Withrow made Worlds XC

2. Illinois gets 3rd in the state competition at NCAA's

3. 4 guys going to FL and 5 in the top 12

4. York should at least get a top 3 finish at NTN

Guys know how to run when the heat's on!!

[ROCK]

Who was 12th?

[super soaker]

why wont he run

[daman]

Who was 12th?Someone said Escareno or Havel got 12th.

[Mr. Powers]

someone else said Havel :eek:

[bobbles]

I thought it was havel

[PreLikedBeer]

I thought illinois would choke, congrats to everyone, especially craven beating stevens thats huge.

[Gump]

He qualified....and 99.6% he wont run.
What are you talking about

[Runr Of Cwood]

What are you talking about

Hes injured from a little football action after the race.

[spot]

Someone said Escareno or Havel got 12th.
Havel was top 15 or so. Dettmans in the 60s. Escareno further back.

[Swoosh13]

Hes injured from a little football action after the race.

Well i defenitly beleive that. Ive seen him play before and after races all the time. What exactly did he hurt that hes 99.6% not running?

[justkeeprunnin3]

i agree with swoosh13 i have seen him doing some pretty dumb stuff before like running at big rocks and trying to like hurdle them, but i doubt its an absolute terrible injury that will keep him out of nationals.

[ZackCampbell]

Dettmans just had an off day?

[spot]

Dettmans just had an off day?
They were in the top 20ish (2nd chase pack) after the mile, but they didnt look too comfortable, so I guess they decided to save some for next week.

[800runna]

Bastert got 75, was in the top 3 at the mile and said she got really dizzy right after it and didnt remember much, then she said someone pulled her out of the snow(she obviously fell b/c of it) and she started running again, then fell again at 2 3/4 from dizzyness again and got up and finished the race. In my opnion 75th isnt that bad from running sick and basically blacking out for 1/2 the race. To bad she had to be sick I really thought she had a shot at winning this thing. Great job by the IL boys to step up big when it mattered.

[Gump]

Hes injured from a little football action after the race.
You should get your damn facts straight before you start stupid rumors. I'm on the phone with evan right now, and he has no idea what you are talking about. He wasnt even playing football after the race, and he isn't injured at all. He's 100% running at nationals as of right now, so i just wanted to clear that up.

[Runr Of Cwood]

lol come on guys...it was a joke with Crouch... hehe haw haw...he had a good run.

[Miler245]

When will full results be up?

[Mr. Powers]

lol come on guys...it was a joke with Crouch... hehe haw haw...he had a good run.
(in my best hank hill voice) Yup

[dirtlegged]

i heard eckardt beat escareno and eckardt was in the 100's and beat christian by a lot. well thats too bad for christian but still he shocked the hell out of everyone with his state race and mid-east race. he had a great end of the season especially for being hurt all year.

[urinXcountrynow!]

wow the IL boys did excellent. 3 qualifyers? holy crap! alot of the girls didnt perform too well though i heard. Anybody got news on the IL girls results?

[spot]

wow the IL boys did excellent. 3 qualifyers? holy crap! alot of the girls didnt perform too well though i heard. Anybody got news on the IL girls results?
.....4 qualifyers. IL girls didnt do as well.

[EternalFreshman]

i heard eckardt beat escareno and eckardt was in the 100's and beat christian by a lot. well thats too bad for christian but still he shocked the hell out of everyone with his state race and mid-east race. he had a great end of the season especially for being hurt all year.

yeah....i got 98th in 16:16......I passed Christian just before the 2 mile mark and since I figured I wasn't going to do anything special in the race I tried to get him going to at least finish with me....he tried for about 1/8-1/4 of a mile then fell back off again, finished around 17ish for time. Also...it was Hatch in 12th, Havel in 14th, and Popejoy in 16th...I think Ulrey was 22ndish but I don't really remember

[Fast4]

So IL actually had 7 of the top 16. And the Dettmans and Escareno had very poor showings. For all the doubters who said the Illinois state meet was a fluke. Think again.

[Gump]

So IL actually had 7 of the top 16. And the Dettmans and Escareno had very poor showings. For all the doubters who said the Illinois state meet was a fluke. Think again.
QFE

[iloverunning]

The course was fairly fast compared to last year. Just some snow in the ground. I got a cramp at the top of the hill and was just passed by a couple of hundred people for the rest of the race. =/

O well, as my Coach put it, "One race does not define a person... never has... and never will."


Other than that, props to the top Illinois runners for putting us on the spotlight. Last year was a fiasco.

[fentonfreshman]

The course was fairly fast compared to last year. Just some snow in the ground. I got a cramp at the top of the hill and was just passed by a couple of hundred people for the rest of the race. =/

O well, as my Coach put it, "One race does not define a person... never has... and never will."

Keep your head high, you've got all of our respect.

[illinoisprepster]

Bastert got 75, was in the top 3 at the mile and said she got really dizzy right after it and didnt remember much, then she said someone pulled her out of the snow(she obviously fell b/c of it) and she started running again, then fell again at 2 3/4 from dizzyness again and got up and finished the race. In my opnion 75th isnt that bad from running sick and basically blacking out for 1/2 the race. To bad she had to be sick I really thought she had a shot at winning this thing. Great job by the IL boys to step up big when it mattered.

No offense but this like MJ (Michael Johnson) pulling up lame after stiff competition won't go away. It has already been established that KB doesn't need to seriously train to run well. However, it's a different story when someone of equal talent is on the case... totally different different than running against Class A talent (in a regional or national level race). Hard training will always conquer talent when it counts (provided there is talented too).

[800runna]

No offense but this like MJ (Michael Johnson) pulling up lame after stiff competition won't go away. It has already been established that KB doesn't need to seriously train to run well. However, it's a different story when someone of equal talent is on the case... totally different different than running against Class A talent (in a regional or national level race). Hard training will always conquer talent when it counts (provided there is talented too).

So your saying because she doesnt train like the others thats why she got beat?? not that being sick had anything to do with it?? Or did I just totally read that wrong?

[illinoisprepster]

So your saying because she doesnt train like the others thats why she got beat?? not that being sick had anything to do with it?? Or did I just totally read that wrong?

You know I tell it like it is..

This is what I'm saying. I know that Katelyn is better than 75th in any race in the country including NCAA's. She may have been sick too. However, she was in the mix. The top girls were with her and since she didn't shake them them she folded somewhat. Perhaps, her illness kicked in but she has run well under these conditions (i.e. 2005 state).

[funrunner]

I think you way off base on this one. Katelyn any other day would have been in the top ten. And to say she only runs against class A. Tell me one class AA girl who has beaten her time at Peoria.

[illinoisprepster]

Kate's racing strategy today was not to shake anybody, but to qualify for nationals.

I figured that... the truth is she has never ran with comp before even against Comfort. She goes out so hard and it's over. She's goes out in 5:10 but so can Wetch, Snow and the elite girls. That's a big difference mentally when you haven't experienced it before. KB will be back though.

[800runna]

I give her props for even running the race. Most people wouldnt be running if they were as sick as her. From what I was told she was so sick that she was coughing blood earlier this week, and she goes out and puts it on the line to qualify, and then her body shuts down. I think your a little off line, know your facts before you start talking.

[RockStar]

I see a few posts mentioning Havel at 12th or top 15. He may have been top 15, but I know 12th place went to Charlie Hatch of Nashville. Talked to him after the race. He was pretty upbeat for just missing top ten. He said he ran around 15:20.

[jenuine13]

For girls- Amy Laskowske was the top finisher from IL in 32nd, Amber Stack was 43rd, I think. Girls didn't have a good race at all.

[jenuine13]

Illinois also had 4 in the top 10 for boys frosh/soph. Feldhake was 2nd, Smoody was 4th. I think a kid from Winnebago was 5th, and the other Il boy was 6th.

[wellabd]

7 out of the top 16 with the Detts and Escareno running poorly = smoke show. Nice job to everyone who ran. My condolences to the seniors who missed top ten by a slim margin. Good luck at Nats, ladies.

[daman]

Illinois also had 4 in the top 10 for boys frosh/soph. Feldhake was 2nd, Smoody was 4th. I think a kid from Winnebago was 5th, and the other Il boy was 6th.They had 4 in the top 6!!!

[DinoParkTycoon]

This icon expresses the dettmans so well- :cool:

Escareno's good as hell, when he doesn't try to lead the race against Ige for the first half up that hill.

What's the deal with all this first team/second team stuff?

[jenuine13]

What school is Matt Feldhake from?

[ditka3001]

What school is Matt Feldhake from?

St. Anthony

[Zatopek1952]

You know I tell it like it is..

This is what I'm saying. I know that Katelyn is better than 75th in any race in the country including NCAA's. She may have been sick too. However, she was in the mix. The top girls were with her and since she didn't shake them them she folded somewhat. Perhaps, her illness kicked in but she has run well under these conditions (i.e. 2005 state).


illinoisprepster's claim that she could have taken top 75 in NCAA is absolutely ridiculous. 75th at NCAA's paced a 5:37/mile pace for a 6k, which is 3.72 miles compared to Bastert's 5:38/mile pace at state for 3.0 miles on a fast course...doesn't make sense. I know she ran faster at Peoria Heights meet, but to suggest she could cover close to another mile at that pace is stupid, especially b/c the Nats course was much more difficult than Detweiller. Footlocker today only demonstrated that the girls in Illinois are not on par with the guys, so to think an IL H.S. girl could come in the top 75 in a DI NCAA Nationals meet is just plain dumb.

[Runr Of Cwood]

What school is Matt Feldhake from?
Answer:
Effingham
St. Anthony

[dirtlegged]

illinoisprepster's claim that she could have taken top 75 in NCAA is absolutely ridiculous. 75th at NCAA's paced a 5:37/mile pace for a 6k, which is 3.72 miles compared to Bastert's 5:38/mile pace at state for 3.0 miles on a fast course...doesn't make sense. I know she ran faster at Peoria Heights meet, but to suggest she could cover close to another mile at that pace is stupid, especially b/c the Nats course was much more difficult than Detweiller. Footlocker today only demonstrated that the girls in Illinois are not on par with the guys, so to think an IL H.S. girl could come in the top 75 in a DI NCAA Nationals meet is just plain dumb.


yea i thought that was a little exaggerated, but she is still a very good runner and shouldnt have been 75th today and definitely couldve been top 10, possibly top 5 if she wasnt sick

[daman]

I like stuff like this:

Class A runners times at state/FLMW:

Stevens: 14:18/15:08.....+:50
Hatch: 14:32/15:26........+:54
Ulrey: 14:52/15:37.........+:45

Pretty consistent....oh.....

Bradford: 14:56/16:14.....+1:18

Can't win em all....

[illinoisprepster]

illinoisprepster's claim that she could have taken top 75 in NCAA is absolutely ridiculous. 75th at NCAA's paced a 5:37/mile pace for a 6k, which is 3.72 miles compared to Bastert's 5:38/mile pace at state for 3.0 miles on a fast course...doesn't make sense. I know she ran faster at Peoria Heights meet, but to suggest she could cover close to another mile at that pace is stupid, especially b/c the Nats course was much more difficult than Detweiller. Footlocker today only demonstrated that the girls in Illinois are not on par with the guys, so to think an IL H.S. girl could come in the top 75 in a DI NCAA Nationals meet is just plain dumb.

Katelyn B is one of the best prep runners in the US. Look at her stats. Her PB's prior to this year on the track is 10:31 and 4:55. She did run 16:31 to win by almost 2mins in that race. We all know that she can 5:37 pace on an average day. She just isn't the smartest runner right now because she never had to. Why? The kid goes goes out in 5:10 to 5:20 pace with ease and just cruises. Top 75= Katelyn Bastert.

I actually believe KB is top 10 material for FLMW on another day but not today.

[dirtlegged]

damn too bad for bradford, he is a very underrated runner by all us class aa guys

[illinoisprepster]

[QUOTE=Zatopek1952]illinoisprepster's claim that she could have taken top 75 in NCAA is absolutely ridiculous. 75th at NCAA's paced a 5:37/mile pace for a 6k, which is 3.72 miles compared to Bastert's 5:38/mile pace at state for 3.0 miles on a fast course...doesn't make sense.

Look at the track and 5k pb's of the girls listed 50-75th at NCAA's. KB can handle them. Remember, these girls have the benefit of running in a pack as well= competition.

[Zatopek1952]

illinoisprepster: You make good points, but don't underestimate how good those NCAA women are...I do agree that she should have qualified for FL, but I felt Haberkorn should have as well. I guess I was wrong.

I now reiterate the notion that IL boys are tremendously higher up on the country's scale than the girls. Am I wrong?

[jenuine13]

No, the boys are definitly stronger than the girls in Illinois. The girls are getting there though.

[ditka3001]

Poor Popejoy.

[dirtlegged]

Poor Popejoy.


popejoy is the nicest guy ever, i felt really bad for him reading that packet thing from state with scott bush or whatever, hope he has a good track season. long live the pope

[illinoisprepster]

illinoisprepster: You make good points, but don't underestimate how good those NCAA women are...I do agree that she should have qualified for FL, but I felt Haberkorn should have as well. I guess I was wrong.

I now reiterate the notion that IL boys are tremendously higher up on the country's scale than the girls. Am I wrong?


It's all good :) ... It's a shame that our girls aren't training at the same rate post-season wise as the boys. Our girls used to get 2 or more kids down each year for nats. I don't know what's up now.

[wellabd]

It's sick that he only ran 200 miles this last summer and was able to come out and destroy the competition until he mysteriously slowed down 30 seconds around the post-season. Ten seconds on Finley at Crete...damn. I dont take back anything I've ever said about the kid. I still think he shoula/woulda/coulda been state champ. But damn.

Hopefully he'll stick with running despite having another season taht was relatively disappointing. It'd be shame, although fairly understandable, if he decided to walk away after all the emotional abuse teh sport has put him through.

Excuse teh typos, plz.

[Runr Of Cwood]

if he decided to walk away after all the emotional abuse teh sport has put him through.


Just like me

[daman]

I now reiterate the notion that IL boys are tremendously higher up on the country's scale than the girls. Am I wrong?No you're not wrong and here's why...

I posted a while back asking about NN's training for NTN.....a NN guy thought I was asking about the guys team, but when I clarified he said that the NN girls didn't really seemed jacked about NTN and they didn't even seem to know what it was.

Bottom line, our girls don't get it.

[illinoisprepster]

No you're not wrong and here's why...

I posted a while back asking about NN's training for NTN.....a NN guy thought I was asking about the guys team, but when I clarified he said that the NN girls didn't really seemed jacked about NTN and they didn't even seem to know what it was.

Bottom line, our girls don't get it.

Shannon Phelan (NN ace) is compiling a team diary for IPTT through NTN. We should have the first installment on their training and daily thoughts next week. We should know if this is true then. Remember that York has been through national press, stress, and success for some time now. This is our girls representative's first go around.

[metalbrowny]

No you're not wrong and here's why...

I posted a while back asking about NN's training for NTN.....a NN guy thought I was asking about the guys team, but when I clarified he said that the NN girls didn't really seemed jacked about NTN and they didn't even seem to know what it was.

Bottom line, our girls don't get it.
Its true, from what ive seen at our school, out of like 120 girls on the team, only a handfull seem to even know what NTN is. A varsity girl I talked to didnt even seem like she wanted to go. When I told her many on our guys team would kill to go and how it is such a great experience and you get tons of free stuff, she just shrugged and was like meh!

[illinoisprepster]

I'm curious as to what the 3m splits were. several years ago when Ritz set the meet record (14:35) he passed the 3m mark in 14:07!!

[PreLikedBeer]

No i dont see popejoy walking away again from running, he is in it for the long haul. He didnt run his 8th grade year b/c he needed a mental break, and i think that was all he needed, dont see him doing that again. He is a great kid and still has a great chance to be the state champ in track. Keep in mind, he was a step behind mac and dettman at state track last year with 800 to go before his injury flared up on him.
he needed a mental break in 8th grade?!? what kinda sick pressure is this kid being put through?

[rt20]

It's all good :) ... It's a shame that our girls aren't training at the same rate post-season wise as the boys. Our girls used to get 2 or more kids down each year for nats. I don't know what's up now.


It's not the post-season training, its the pre-high school training according to a conversation I had yesterday. The theory thrown out was that Chicago area has a high concentration of good runners, but it also has a high concentration of elite kids in running clubs that do not have the long term best interest of the runner in mind. Girls right now are seeing the negative effects of this.

[Fanya]

Hey...great year for Illinois....

1. Last Feb. Torres, Sage, Broe, and Withrow made Worlds XC

2. Illinois gets 3rd in the state competition at NCAA's

3. 4 guys going to FL and 5 in the top 12

4. York should at least get a top 3 finish at NTN

Guys know how to run when the heat's on!!

You mean York should at least get a top 1 finish.

C'mon, you're from Illinois.

[fentonfreshman]

You mean York should at least get a top 1 finish.

C'mon, you're from Illinois.

I agree with him. I would be more shocked if they won, than lost.

[idontgetit14]

I agree with him. I would be more shocked if they won, than lost.

wait, you mean you would be more shocked if York didn't win NTN? right?

[fentonfreshman]

wait, you mean you would be more shocked if York didn't win NTN? right?

No.

[ditka3001]

No.

you mean yes, right?

[ditka3001]

I think he's just showing love to Royal, and deservedly so.

[PreLikedBeer]

I'm guessing that Kyle might know a little bit about how York is training and how healthy the top guys are.
um the dettmans stinking up the place, thats all u need.

[daman]

I'm guessing that Kyle might know a little bit about how York is training and how healthy the top guys are.No, that Royal team looks pretty tough...I wouldn't fear the NE runners too much, they tend to look better on this site than they really are.

[run2win]

he needed a mental break in 8th grade?!? what kinda sick pressure is this kid being put through?

i misspoke, maybe not that he needed a mental break. I dont want to speak for Jon.

[Mr. Powers]

give the dettmans a break you guys. I mean they are representing us afterall and need to give a big FU to the NTN committee

[PreLikedBeer]

i misspoke, maybe not that he needed a mental break. I dont want to speak for Jon.
You've already said enough...Randy Weigand!!

[run2win]

You've already said enough...Randy Weigand!!

i realized i have, that's why i deleted my post. That is the first time i have been called out by name on these boards. Im sure i can thank Brady for this.

[runningagain]

It's not the post-season training, its the pre-high school training according to a conversation I had yesterday. The theory thrown out was that Chicago area has a high concentration of good runners, but it also has a high concentration of elite kids in running clubs that do not have the long term best interest of the runner in mind. Girls right now are seeing the negative effects of this.


I think that girls in Illinois still focus almost entirely on state, and qualifying for the state meet (even for the elite girls, the depth of Illinois girls especially in class AA makes our sectional meet very difficult and most teams are peaking for sectionals and state). Some of the top girls from states like South Dakota, Iowa, Minnesota have more than two classes and may not need to worry about sectional qualifying as much as our girls. Having said that many people in Illinois think that our girls are overraced and may hinder their development. Remember in the case of Lauren Haberkorn she is still very young and this was her first taste of racing with such a strong field, I'm confident IL girls are making progress on this front. (Remember our girls came within one point of winning the mideast meet for the first time ever, losing by only a point to the home team Ohio).

[PreLikedBeer]

girls dont care about running as much as guys, its a social club for them, whether they are good or bad.

[run2win]

girls dont care about running as much as guys, its a social club for them, whether they are good or bad.

that statement was true for my hs as well. I had some friends that were stars on other sports in different seasons, that ran xc to be with friends with the additional benefit of getting in shape for their real sport. On the flip side though, there are some girls that do take running seriously and are there to work hard and compete.

[fentonfreshman]

girls dont care about running as much as guys, its a social club for them, whether they are good or bad.

That's how it was at Fenton. The only girl who was moderately serious was Rachel Hernandez but she loved to tell us how we were not athletes because we did not do 3 sports like she did. She's getting the last laugh now, though.

[PreLikedBeer]

That's how it was at Fenton. The only girl who was moderately serious was Rachel Hernandez but she loved to tell us how we were not athletes because we did not do 3 sports like she did. She's getting the last laugh now, though.
Is she pregnant?

[fentonfreshman]

Is she pregnant?

Nah, she's on the 5th best XC team in the nation and I'm sitting here in my dorm.

[PreLikedBeer]

So she doesnt go to ISU

[illinoisprepster]

girls dont care about running as much as guys, its a social club for them, whether they are good or bad.

This is such a bs statement and not thought out very well. Nationally, the girls hold their own just like the boys. Look at the times and performances. We had girls go after the national 1 and 2m records. Girls running low 2:00's in the 800. Up until three years ago we had girls from our state qualifying every year for footlocker. Something has changed since then. Maybe it's the direction of our top girls coaching approach after state is over.

[Runr Of Cwood]

. Maybe it's the direction of our top girls coaching approach after state is over.

Correct...becuase the season is over.

[ehof]

girls dont care about running as much as guys, its a social club for them, whether they are good or bad.
This is such a bs statement and not thought out very well. Nationally, the girls hold their own just like the boys.
Obvioulsy not ALL girls fit Prelikedbeer's description, but I would agree that there are many more girls who do that than guys.

[Zoso]

PLB isn't saying there are no dedicated girls, he's just refering to the fact that most girls don't even come close to caring about XC as much as guys do. Sure there are some nationally-recognized girls out there who put it on the line, but there are also all-state girls who don't care about running, they're just really good at it.

If you look at a guys XC team roster, from 1-50, most of them are probably just as dedicated as most girls teams varsity roster.

[LetsGo10]

yeah guys know nothing. girls care. i care.
just because we dont overanalyze all results and compare times from previous years on dyestat.. doesnt mean anything. no offffffffffense.

[jenuine13]

I thinks girls care just as much about the instate competitions, however, after the state meet for xc, all the focus is on track. Most of the girls on my team aren't interested in running extra meets, they're getting ready for track, and vice-versa in after state for track.

[PreLikedBeer]

PLB isn't saying there are no dedicated girls, he's just refering to the fact that most girls don't even come close to caring about XC as much as guys do. Sure there are some nationally-recognized girls out there who put it on the line, but there are also all-state girls who don't care about running, they're just really good at it.

The truth ^^^

[dirtlegged]

The truth ^^^


what are you talking about?? i cant think of a single girl like that......wait

[LetsGo10]

u dont c many guys crying after a dissapointing meet.. if they cared they would
like girls do
haha bad example

[fentonfreshman]

u dont c many guys crying after a dissapointing meet.. if they cared they would
like girls do
haha bad example

You'd be suprised.

[dirtlegged]

You'd be suprised.

qfe

[LetsGo10]

very cute!

[ehof]

u dont c many guys crying after a dissapointing meet.. if they cared they would
like girls do
haha bad example
I haven't seen girls crying either.

And this may not be crying, but reports said that Craven threw up when he heard he got 2nd in state.

[PreLikedBeer]

I haven't seen girls crying either.

And this may not be crying, but reports said that Craven threw up when he heard he got 2nd in state.
he was prob throwing up before, it wasnt the shock of taking second

[ehof]

he was prob throwing up before, it wasnt the shock of taking second
I thought some people on here said that while talking aobut that one picture of Craven after the official results came out. And they said he threw up after that, no?

[dirtlegged]

very cute!

hey tears of happiness count also you know

[bobbles]

I dont think you can generalize. My team went to a running camp in Montana with some elite runners there (ballermine prep was 4th a NTN last year and Zoey Nelson's Flathead high school). And some of the girls were very into cross country, like more than we were. Then there was some girl who won state in track for her state and was like "uhhh I dont really like training...I run a few times a week in season..."

[wiurecrunner]

I dont think you can generalize. My team went to a running camp in Montana with some elite runners there (ballermine prep was 4th a NTN last year and Zoey Nelson's Flathead high school). And some of the girls were very into cross country, like more than we were. Then there was some girl who won state in track for her state and was like "uhhh I dont really like training...I run a few times a week in season..."

I believe that was Bastert. :p

[EIllinois_pondDiver]

Craven is always throwing up. Before races, after races. Doesn't matter, 2nd, 4th, 1st he is hurling. I think he is barfing right now.

8/10

[illinoisprepster]

Obvioulsy not ALL girls fit Prelikedbeer's description, but I would agree that there are many more girls who do that than guys.

that first quote is not mine