USA RED TEAM 4x400

[emceelaszlo]

If Tyree hadnt hit that guy i think they woulda won, in under 3:00 minute time too, that was a stacked team.

[ndamix]

If Tyree hadnt hit that guy i think they woulda won, in under 3:00 minute time too, that was a stacked team.

Tyree didn't hit anyone. He just tripped over his feet as he was trying to make his move around the Bahamian runner.

[gesser]

If Tyree hadnt hit that guy i think they woulda won, in under 3:00 minute time too, that was a stacked team.

Tyree didn't hit anyone. He just tripped over his feet as he was trying to make his move around the Bahamian runner.


I'm pretty sure Washington clipped the right heel of the Bahamian. So I dunno what you considering hitting, but this clipping of his heel led to Washington tripping over the feet due to loss of balance.

That's what it looked like to me from NBC.

[ndamix]

I'm pretty sure Washington clipped the right heel of the Bahamian.

Washington didn't clip the Bahamian's heel otherwise the Bahamian wouldn't have continued running the way he was. You were watching the meet on TV. I was down on the track where it happened. Not only that, I have the baton that Washington was carrying when he fell.

[cooljim]

and you having a baton from a track meet has any relevance to what?...


jk man, thats pretty cool...i would want it

[CTsnapple]

TV has slow motion and instant replay.

I happened to miss the first 2 legs of the guys 4x400 so I'm not quite sure what happened, though when they showed the replay I thought he had clipped the guy in front of him.

Who were the 4 runners on the red team?

[vallistastud49]

I'm pretty sure Washington clipped the right heel of the Bahamian.

Washington didn't clip the Bahamian's heel otherwise the Bahamian wouldn't have continued running the way he was. You were watching the meet on TV. I was down on the track where it happened. Not only that, I have the baton that Washington was carrying when he fell.

He did kick the guy foot in front of him. It was the leg that was behind [for the Bahamian] that's why it didn't affect his stride. And what's the difference in seeing it on tv and in person? It would be better to see it on tv since there is the luxury of seeing it in slow motion, which those viewing on television did.

[Mrr82]

I'm pretty sure Washington clipped the right heel of the Bahamian.You were watching the meet on TV. I was down on the track where it happened. Not only that, I have the baton that Washington was carrying when he fell.

Yes we were watching the meet on tv...and had a better view...as well as multiple views...you saw it in fast motion once. So don't try and make it sound like you have a clue. It was so close and quick that there's no way you wuold even remotely have a better idea then the people watching it on tv.

[ndamix]

He did kick the guy foot in front of him. It was the leg that was behind [for the Bahamian] that's why it didn't affect his stride.

Bottom line is that it didn't affect the Bahamaian runner while it affected Washington. Washington was the only one affected; hence him hitting the track.

[vallistastud49]

He did kick the guy foot in front of him. It was the leg that was behind [for the Bahamian] that's why it didn't affect his stride.

Bottom line is that it didn't affect the Bahamaian runner while it affected Washington. Washington was the only one affected; hence him hitting the track.
So what was your point?

[Mrr82]

So what was your point?

omg lol...the guy is completely lost...he just comletely disagreed with his earlier statement

[ndamix]

So don't try and make it sound like you have a clue. It was so close and quick that there's no way you wuold even remotely have a better idea then the people watching it on tv.

Yes I do have a more than a clue. I have clarity of mind as to what I had witnessed. Had I thought that Washington was adversely affected by the fall, I would have had to call a violation.

I serve as a track umpire at Penn so while you were arm chair quarterbacking (with your multiple replays), I had to make a decision.

Fortunately, there was no call to make. If you think you can do better, become a certified USA Track & Field official so you can make the call. ;)

[vallistastud49]

So don't try and make it sound like you have a clue. It was so close and quick that there's no way you wuold even remotely have a better idea then the people watching it on tv.

Yes I do have a more than a clue. I have clarity of mind as to what I had witnessed. Had I thought that Washington was adversely affected by the fall, I would have had to call a violation.

I serve as a track umpire at Penn so while you were arm chair quarterbacking (with your multiple replays), I had to make a decision.

Fortunately, there was no call to make. If you think you can do better, become a certified USA Track & Field official so you can make the call. ;)

The 'adverse affect' wasn't a result of the Bahamian tripping Washington. Washington could've been DQed had the Bahamian fell because he [Washington] kicked him, not the other way around. I think you were sleeping on the J.O.B. and missed this one. How can someone in full stride trip on their own feet?

[ndamix]

How can someone in full stride trip on their own feet?

When the tip of their shoe hits the track and not the ball of their foot.

You have the advantage of TV. I don't had that advantage, but know when and when not to call a racing violation. Bottom line is that Washington fell and there was no violation.

Had the race not televised, you wouldn't be trying to mark this tree.

:eek:

[vallistastud49]

How can someone in full stride trip on their own feet?

When the tip of their shoe hits the track and not the ball of their foot.

You have the advantage of TV. I don't had that advantage, but know when and when not to call a racing violation. Bottom line is that Washington fell and there was no violation.

Had the race not televised, you wouldn't be trying to mark this tree.

:eek:

That would be tripping as an ordinary person would trip when they walk. Doesn't necessarily have to be on a foot.

I know it wasn't a violation. The point was that he kicked the guy in front of him and fell, which wouldn't be a violation unless the guy fell too.

And, yes, watching it on television has minor benefits (emphasis on MINOR) since being present is far better.

[Mrr82]

Yes I do have a more than a clue. I have clarity of mind as to what I had witnessed. Had I thought that Washington was adversely affected by the fall, I would have had to call a violation.

I serve as a track umpire at Penn so while you were arm chair quarterbacking (with your multiple replays), I had to make a decision.

Fortunately, there was no call to make. If you think you can do better, become a certified USA Track & Field official so you can make the call. ;)

Dude...you're not much different then some of the officials we have out here...and i'll leave it at that as to not get in trouble.

No one was saying they cuold have made a better call if they were on the track...the point is We WEREN'T on the track, and DID HAVE SLOW MOTION, and DID HAVE REPLAYS...and we have a 100 times better idea of what happened then you did...first you say YOU know what happened because you were on the track...then you make escuses for why WE had advantages...which is it?

"had i thought washington had been adversly affected by the fall" what the hell does that mean?

You mean if you thought he had been intentionally tripped...because he most certanily was adversly affected by his own fall....

I think a meet as prestigious as Penn needs to examin their officials a little closer.

[ndamix]

No one was saying they cuold have made a better call if they were on the track...the point is We WEREN'T on the track, and DID HAVE SLOW MOTION, and DID HAVE REPLAYS...and we have a 100 times better idea of what happened then you did...first you say YOU know what happened because you were on the track...then you make escuses for why WE had advantages...which is it?

Like I've been saying all along, there was no violation. I know and stick by what I saw. You didn't have to nake a decision because there was none to make. That's the point. You guys are trying to mark that tree when there's nothing to mark.

If you can do better, get your certified selves on the track.

[ndamix]

I think a meet as prestigious as Penn needs to examin their officials a little closer.

No one, and I mean no one questioned what happened. Had there been any questions, then the meet referee and jury of appeals would have weighed in.

So, I guess I have some pretty good judgement since none of those people came back for additional information.


If Penn needs to examine its officials a little closer, then it sounds like you must be applying for the job. What type of criteria will you be using to insure Penn officials do a better (in your opinion) job.

Inquiring minds would like to know. :D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Sully 800]

look, NO ONE on this thread stated that they thought there should have been a violation. The issue was never in question so stop being so defensive and listen to people. There was no call to make and no one was trying to imply that there was....everyone was just stating what happened, which was him clipping the foot of an opposing runner, and causing himself to fall. Not a penalty since the other runner wasn't affected, which once again is not in question. However, you say that since you were at the meet you KNOW he didn't contact the opposing runner, while he clearly did. We understand the decisions you have to make, and you made the right one, but your initial comments in this thread were incorrect.

EDIT: Just a tip- To quote someone, hit the "quote" button at the bottom of their post instead of hitting reply. It makes things much easier to follow, and saves you time from having to copy and bold what they said.

[Mrr82]

look, NO ONE on this thread stated that they thought there should have been a violation. The issue was never in question so stop being so defensive and listen to people. There was no call to make and no one was trying to imply that there was....everyone was just stating what happened, which was him clipping the foot of an opposing runner, and causing himself to fall. Not a penalty since the other runner wasn't affected, which once again is not in question. However, you say that since you were at the meet you KNOW he didn't contact the opposing runner, while he clearly did. We understand the decisions you have to make, and you made the right one, but your initial comments in this thread were incorrect.

Exactly....I can't even believe how this official guy can't understand anything that has been said...he keeps refering to somethign no one is saying(that there should be a violation) because like you said no one said that...just that he clipped the guys heal...and he contradicted himself several times and hasn't replied to anything anyone has actually said....where do they get these officials from!??

[vallistastud49]

No need to get hostile Mrr82. LOL He/she has the right to say what he/she thought just as much as we do. Now to say Penn should examine their officials more closely is a slap in the face. It was the last event of a LONG weekend. They're bound to miss something although there was nothing there.

[Dragonsoul]

Unfortunate situation for Tyree and the teammates. I wonder what next? No need for hostility on this thread please.

[emceelaszlo]

yeah whoa, i was just wondering what you guys thought, excuse me, he clipped the other guys heel, instead of hit areyou ahppy.

Team was
Andrew rock
Tyree Washington
Lashwn Merrit
Otis harris

i think that is a great team, really great, ithink that could be a good consideration for one of the opening rounds @ helsinki

or maybe
mitch potter
Adrew Rock
Lashwn Merrit
Kellie Wille, ooohhghgh the US IS SOOOOOO DEEP!!!!

[Mrr82]

Now to say Penn should examine their officials more closely is a slap in the face. It was the last event of a LONG weekend. They're bound to miss something although there was nothing there.

That wasn't the point...no one was saying it was a foul..no one was syaing he missed a call...yet this official guy kept saying it wasn't a foul like people were saying it was....when no one was even saying it.

He also said he dind't clip the guys heel and that he knew this because he was on the field and we were only watching it on tv...then later said he did clip his heal and then raved about how it's tough to do it on the field without the advantages of TV...which he had previously said he knew he dind't clip it BECAUSE he was on the field and we were only watching it on TV....the guy made no sense in anything he said....he contradicted himself...and was replying to things no one was saying.....that's basically being crazy....It's one thing to be wrong and argue it....it's another thing to make statements that are completely irrelevant to anything anyones even saying...OVER AND OVER. It was made very clear no one was saying it was a foul yet he kept replying like someone was. This guy should not be officiating at a track meet like Penn.

[Soup Nazi]

yeah whoa, i was just wondering what you guys thought, excuse me, he clipped the other guys heel, instead of hit areyou ahppy.

Team was
Andrew rock
Tyree Washington
Lashwn Merrit
Otis harris

i think that is a great team, really great, ithink that could be a good consideration for one of the opening rounds @ helsinki

or maybe
mitch potter
Adrew Rock
Lashwn Merrit
Kellie Wille, ooohhghgh the US IS SOOOOOO DEEP!!!!Wrong. Otis Harris ran second leg for the blue team, so I doubt he was planning on taking 45 seconds rest and running anchor for the red team. The red team lineup was Andrew Rock, Tyree Washington, LaShawn Merritt and Bershawn Jackson.

[jrun]

[B]If you think you can do better, become a certified USA Track & Field official so you can make the call. ;)

Are you level 54?

[emceelaszlo]

Wrong. Otis Harris ran second leg for the blue team, so I doubt he was planning on taking 45 seconds rest and running anchor for the red team. The red team lineup was Andrew Rock, Tyree Washington, LaShawn Merritt and Bershawn Jackson.


ahhh my mistake, i wonder what Bershawn could run split, i know hes sub 46 in doors so is 44s out of the question?

[ndamix]

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Originally Posted by ndamix
[B]If you think you can do better, become a certified USA Track & Field official so you can make the call.



Are you level 54?
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What does that mean?

[W.E.]

The question I have is, why did Tyree move back inside after making the stronger move outside on the curve? Initially, I thought he was in good position (left-right shoulder) off the curve.

[ndamix]

The question I have is, why did Tyree move back inside after making the stronger move outside on the curve? Initially, I thought he was in good position (left-right shoulder) off the curve.

I agree...I think he was thinking of making his move a lot faster than his feet could run.

[gesser]

I'm pretty sure Washington clipped the right heel of the Bahamian.

Washington didn't clip the Bahamian's heel otherwise the Bahamian wouldn't have continued running the way he was. You were watching the meet on TV. I was down on the track where it happened. Not only that, I have the baton that Washington was carrying when he fell.


Do you want a brownie?

You were at the meet seeing Tyree trip over himself, I saw it on TV and saw Tyree trip on the guy's heel.

I wish I could easily find a pic of it. But something tells me you still would claim that Washington somehow tripped himself.

[gesser]

The question I have is, why did Tyree move back inside after making the stronger move outside on the curve? Initially, I thought he was in good position (left-right shoulder) off the curve.

I agree...I think he was thinking of making his move a lot faster than his feet could run.


If you press the "Quote" button on the right, you don't have to copy and paste then bold things.

[ndamix]

Do you want a brownie?

You were at the meet seeing Tyree trip over himself, I saw it on TV and saw Tyree trip on the guy's heel.

I wish I could easily find a pic of it. But something tells me you still would claim that Washington somehow tripped himself.

Thanks, but I have my share of brownies.

I meant to say that the Bahamian runner was never affected by Washington's actions. The point I meant (and I still stand by) is that the other runner's were not affected by Washington getting tangled up and falling; and from my vantage point (being the operative word here), it looked as if he tripped over his toes.

Why are you still marking this tree? The race was over four days ago. You had your vantage point and I had mine. You had the advantage of instant replay, I didn't. However, the decision was mine (along with a few other officials positioned near the impact point) to make. There was none to make (which has been the main point all along).

Obviously, you guys don't like it when someone contradicts you but I saw what I saw and stand by it. If you don't like it (which it sounds like), too bad. :p

[Kniteryder]

Thanks, but I have my share of brownies.

I meant to say that the Bahamian runner was never affected by Washington's actions. The point I meant (and I still stand by) is that the other runner's were not affected by Washington getting tangled up and falling; and from my vantage point (being the operative word here), it looked as if he tripped over his toes.

Why are you still marking this tree? The race was over four days ago. You had your vantage point and I had mine. You had the advantage of instant replay, I didn't. However, the decision was mine (along with a few other officials positioned near the impact point) to make. There was none to make (which has been the main point all along).

Obviously, you guys don't like it when someone contradicts you but I saw what I saw and stand by it. If you don't like it (which it sounds like), too bad. :p

You guys are arguing over different things. Mr "Mix", people just commented on how Tyree clearly clipped the runners foot ahead of him. And they also stated that he did not impede nor hurt the progress of that runner(which seems like u all agree on.) And they never said that there should have been a call on Tyree simply because the other runner wasn't affected. Yes, they did have the advantage of seeing it on TV as most of us did. BUt why disagree with so many, when that is what actually happened...and then all of you guys are in agreeance about the nature of the Bahamian runner not being affected which allowed him to finish the race...

Sometimes you guys should read what someone says instead of getting all sensitive about the things posted. I am sure you are a good official, and we are glad that people are didcated enough to follow through and become one!

Article Quote: Iaaf Site-
"In the 4x400, the top-seeded USA Red team failed to finish after second leg Tyree Washington clipped his spikes on the Bahamas’ Chris Brown and fell face down at the 300m mark."
Article states:

Disappointment Continues for Washington

Tyree Washington was hoping to use the Penn Relays as a boost to his 2005 season after failing to advance to the U.S. Olympic Trials finals in the 400m after missing a month of training because of an Achille’s Tendon injury.

Instead, Washington found himself face down on the track when he tangled with the Bahamas’ Chris Brown while trying to pass on the outside.

Washington, the 2003 World Indoor 400m champion, had considered retirement from track last season to pursue a career in football before returning this spring to take a shot at the World Championships.

“In track, you always have to be at the top physical shape or you’re going to get beat,” Washington said. “In football, you can still be hurt and outrun people and catch passes.’’