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Zat0pek
05-04-2005, 05:06 PM
No Meb, either. In fact, not one single Olympian! A VERY weak team; not a single woman under 2:30 and not a single man under 2:12.

What gives? Did they take their names out of consideration in advance? I recall Drossin wants to tee up a fast one in Chicago, and I guess two races in one year would exceed Culpeppers limit.

INDIANAPOLIS-USA Track & Field announced Team USA's marathon representatives for the 2005 IAAF World Championships in Athletics to be held in Helsinki, Finland August 6-14.

Three team members, Jill Boaz, Kelly Keane and Clint Verran, have prior World Championships marathon experience, having been on the 2003 team that competed in Paris. The roster also includes 2001 USA men's champion Scott Larson.

Men's roster:

Trent Briney , 26, of Rochester Hills, Mich., burst on to the U.S. scene with a fourth-place (2:12:34) performance at the 2004 U.S. Olympic Men's Marathon Trials. It was that performance that earned him his first Team USA appearance. Recent performances from Briney include a personal best of 28:44 for 10,000 meters at the Stanford Invitational. Briney was a four-time NCAA Division II All-American at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs.

Peter Gilmore, 28, of San Mateo, Calif. With a tenth-place finish in 2005, Gilmore recently contributed to the most successful U.S. showings at the Boston Marathon in over a decade. His marathon career includes an eighth-place finish at the 2004 U.S. Olympic Men's Marathon Trials and a second-place finish at the California International Marathon in a personal best of 2:14:02.

Scott Larson, 34, of Boulder, Colo. One of the more experienced marathoners on the team, Larson was the 2001 USA Marathon Champion and has twice finished in the top-ten at the Olympic Trials (4th in 2000 and 6th in 2004). Larson earned his spot on the squad as the top U.S. finisher at the 2004 Twin Cities Marathon, where he was third overall in a personal best of 2:14:11.

Brian Sell, 27, of Rochester Hills, Mich., also made his mark at the 2004 Olympic Trials Marathon. After leading by as much as one minute, he eventually faded to 12th. Not disheartened by the experience, Sell reappeared at the 2004 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, finishing with a personal best of 2:13:18. In 2005 Sell has continued his progress with a second-place finish at the USA 10 Mile Championships (47:37) and a ninth-place finish (first U.S.) at the Lilac Bloomsday Run on May 1.

Clint Verran, 29, of Rochester Hills, Mich., is an IAAF World Championships Marathon veteran finishing 39th (2:16:42) in 2003 in Paris. His international experience also includes a 17th place finish at the 2000 IAAF World Half Marathon Championships. In 2005, Verran was the top U.S. finisher at the Freescale Marathon in Austin, Texas, with a time of 2:17:14. He has a marathon best of 2:14:17.

Women :

Jill Boaz, 38, of Los Osos, Calif., is making her third appearance for Team USA in the marathon at the World Championships. In both of her previous outings, she was the top U.S. finisher, placing 32nd in 2001 and 33rd in a personal best of 2:34:54 in 2003. Boaz earned her ticket to Helsinki last fall when she was the first U.S. finisher, fifth overall at the Twin Cities Marathon in a time of 2:36:08.

Jenny Crain, 37, of Milwaukee, Wis., recently finished fifth at the USA 8 km Championships, sixth at the USA 15 km Championships and was the first U.S. finisher at the 2004 ING New York City Marathon. A two-time qualifier for the Olympic trials Marathon, Crain finished 11th at the 2004 Olympic Trials with a personal best of 2:37:36.

Heather Hanscom, 27, of Arlington, Va., has a brief but solid marathon background that includes a sixth-place finish at the 2004 U.S. Olympic Women's Marathon Trials in a personal best of 2:31:53. In her debut at the distance, Hanscom won the 2003 Marine Corps Marathon in 2:37:59.

Kelly Keane, 32, of The Woodlands, Tex. A member of the marathon team at the 2003 World Championships, Keane continues to make a name for herself on the U.S. road racing scene. So far in 2005, she has produced personal bests at three distances including a 2:32:27 when she won the HP Houston Marathon in January.

Turena Johnson Lane , 29, of Muncie, Ind. The 2004 USA 20 km Champion, Johnson Lane earned her place on the Helsinki team at the 2004 Twin Cities Marathon where she finished sixth overall and second American behind Boaz in a personal best of 2:37:39. A veteran of three U.S. Ekiden relay teams, Johnson Lane was 20th at the 2004 U.S. Olympic Women's Marathon Trials.

The coaches for the U.S. marathon team are Jack Hazen and Kim Keenan-Kirkpatrick.

The 2005 IAAF World Championships in Athletics marathon course runs through the heart of Helsinki and passes close to the Eläintarha sports field near the Olympic Stadium, inside which the competitors will cross the finish line after running the 10km loop 3.5 times.

Mrr82
05-04-2005, 05:34 PM
What gives? Did they take their names out of consideration in advance? I recall Drossin wants to tee up a fast one in Chicago, and I guess two races in one year would exceed Culpeppers limit..

Well it's just a thought, but The appearance fee's he gets for finishing maybe a 14th at worlds, and from his olympic marathon, and the olympic qualifying marathon he ran last year are what...0 dollars? a pat on the back...He probably got some decent money from the Bosto Marathon i'm sure , but You want him to run a 3rd marathon basically for free within a 1.5 year span? He's 32 or 33 or something with a family. two races in one year don't exceed his limit...3 marathon races out of his last 4 for free though probably do. You don't see Meb on that list. He'll most likely be prepping for Ny again, or for Chicago...Culp probably is doing something similar. It's kinda hard to not blame our top marathoners for wanting to actually get paid in their sport. Maybe i'm way off base...but that's my thoughts on why he and Meb and others are not runnign worlds.

KevinM
05-04-2005, 05:49 PM
Rest assured that there is a good chunk of money available from their sponsors if they make a world or oly team. This is standard in sponsorship contracts.

So, to respond, it's a fair it more than "0 dollars & a pat on the back".

gesser
05-04-2005, 05:53 PM
Rest assured that there is a good chunk of money available from their sponsors if they make a world or oly team. This is standard in sponsorship contracts.

So, to respond, it's a fair it more than "0 dollars & a pat on the back".

Yeah, but it probably still doesn't make financial sense to run. The most likely get less for World's than they could elsewhere. Just my opinion.

KevinM
05-04-2005, 06:47 PM
Meb, perhaps, but probably not Culpepper.

Let's face it, though -- the WC marathon is skipped by many of the top runners, not just Americans. I'm guessing that has as much to do with the obsession of running fast times on pancake courses as it does with $.

Kniteryder
05-04-2005, 06:54 PM
Also, didn't Kastor(Drossin) want to run a fast 10K or run the 10K at the WC's this year? I thawt she stated that a while ago...?

Mrr82
05-04-2005, 09:10 PM
Rest assured that there is a good chunk of money available from their sponsors if they make a world or oly team. This is standard in sponsorship contracts.

So, to respond, it's a fair it more than "0 dollars & a pat on the back".

Well i have no idea...how much would Culp get for being elected to a world Marathon team...I can't imagine it's a lot of money. I'm sure he gets more for being hte first american in races, or winning a big road race. Anyone have any idea how much a guy like culp would get for just making a team? I'm just sying it's kinda hard to take 6 months or so to train for something that will make you what...1000? 2000? 5000? i can't really imagine it's a lot. Especially after he ran two last year that got him no pay minus like you said something for making hte olympic team. Who does Culp run for anyways?

I gotta imagine those "good chunks" only applies to sprinters, or people events where the US is competitive on the world stage. shoe companies aren't stupid enough to put in smoeone like culps contract a huge chunk for making a world marathon team.

They've seen him make 10k teams before adn they know it doesn't really increase his popularity when he goes to worlds and runs a 28 getting lapped.

Timo
05-04-2005, 09:30 PM
Today 08:10 PM
Mrr82
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Rest assured that there is a good chunk of money available from their sponsors if they make a world or oly team. This is standard in sponsorship contracts.

So, to respond, it's a fair it more than "0 dollars & a pat on the back".


Well i have no idea...how much would Culp get for being elected to a world Marathon team...I can't imagine it's a lot of money. I'm sure he gets more for being hte first american in races, or winning a big road race. Anyone have any idea how much a guy like culp would get for just making a team? I'm just sying it's kinda hard to take 6 months or so to train for something that will make you what...1000? 2000? 5000? i can't really imagine it's a lot. Especially after he ran two last year that got him no pay minus like you said something for making hte olympic team. Who does Culp run for anyways?

I gotta imagine those "good chunks" only applies to sprinters, or people events where the US is competitive on the world stage. shoe companies aren't stupid enough to put in smoeone like culps contract a huge chunk for making a world marathon team.

They've seen him make 10k teams before adn they know it doesn't really increase his popularity when he goes to worlds and runs a 28 getting lapped.





Wow, you know distance running as well as you do baseball.... Oh and you spell as well as you know both things....

Mrr82
05-04-2005, 09:58 PM
Wow, you know distance running as well as you do baseball.... Oh and you spell as well as you know both things....


Seeing as you added nothing of value and don't have a clue about the subject, feel free to keep making posts showing you can't add to a topic....or post something relevant

Timo
05-05-2005, 04:42 PM
About Culp, he can pick up his paycheck for worlds, by going to worlds in the 10k. Then he can go run a fall thon and pick up a big pay check there. If he medals in the wrold champs in the thon, only runners will care. If he does well at a big thon in america (like he did in Boston) people around america start to know his name. If he goes to NY and takes 3rd after what he did in boston, he might make sports center. They will write about him in the paper saying how great he is for american distance running. But a medal at the world championships, well thats not in america, most will act like it never happen.

Mrr82
05-05-2005, 05:05 PM
obviously....that was the point. It would be financially more beneficial for him to not run the marathon at worlds so he can run one in the fall. It's nice to see you bash me then basically just write what was already written.

When i said post something relevant...i didn't mean borrow other's peoples thoughts and pawn them off as your own.

run_nyc
05-05-2005, 10:48 PM
gilmore = beast maybe he'll finally get a damn contract

yifter
05-05-2005, 11:20 PM
Well it's just a thought, but The appearance fee's he gets for finishing maybe a 14th at worlds, and from his olympic marathon, and the olympic qualifying marathon he ran last year are what...0 dollars? a pat on the back...He probably got some decent money from the Bosto Marathon i'm sure , but You want him to run a 3rd marathon basically for free within a 1.5 year span? He's 32 or 33 or something with a family. two races in one year don't exceed his limit...3 marathon races out of his last 4 for free though probably do. You don't see Meb on that list. He'll most likely be prepping for Ny again, or for Chicago...Culp probably is doing something similar. It's kinda hard to not blame our top marathoners for wanting to actually get paid in their sport. Maybe i'm way off base...but that's my thoughts on why he and Meb and others are not runnign worlds.

i was under the impression that the marathon trials top three places picked up a lot of money with more coming if they actually raced in the games

http://www.usatf.org/events/2004/OlympicTrials-Marathon-Men/athleteInfo/awards.asp

Dragonsoul
05-05-2005, 11:51 PM
The top people are probably not going because they want some money in a Fall marathon. Their choice, I wonder what you guys would choose.

Mrr82
05-06-2005, 01:34 AM
i was under the impression that the marathon trials top three places picked up a lot of money with more coming if they actually raced in the games

http://www.usatf.org/events/2004/OlympicTrials-Marathon-Men/athleteInfo/awards.asp


That's a lot of money for winning a US trials...60,000 is a nice paycheck. I doubt they get close to that for just running in the World championship though...but i could be wrong. Anyone out there actually know?

How much does a guy liek Culp or Meb get for running in nY or Chicago? i gotta imagine Meb get's at least 50,000 for just running in one of those races...culp probably 20-30k?...i rmeember reading Geb getting paid like 500k? or something crazy like that to run in London.

KevinM
05-06-2005, 10:29 AM
gilmore = beast maybe he'll finally get a damn contract

What is this obsession with Peter Gilmore getting a contract? He is certainly a good runner, but his best-ever result is his 10th at Boston, nearly 6 minutes off the win.

Sully 800
05-06-2005, 11:03 AM
About Culp, he can pick up his paycheck for worlds, by going to worlds in the 10k. Then he can go run a fall thon and pick up a big pay check there. If he medals in the wrold champs in the thon, only runners will care. If he does well at a big thon in america (like he did in Boston) people around america start to know his name. If he goes to NY and takes 3rd after what he did in boston, he might make sports center. They will write about him in the paper saying how great he is for american distance running. But a medal at the world championships, well thats not in america, most will act like it never happen.

You definitely just said the same thing as the poster you insulted.