VO2 Max

[slowest kid on the team]

What would you expect a 10:00 3200 highschool boys V02 max to be, and does anyone know of a chart that predicts race times off of V02 max, not Vdot.

[cnick]

It would really vary from athlete to athlete.

Any of Jack Daniels's books would have the chart you seek.

[slowest kid on the team]

I know it wouild vary but what about a 10:00 runner who is very effecient. Whatwoudl the chart predict, or what do you think they would have for a V02 max.

[IrishBH]

I'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong but i beleive the more efficiant you are as a runner with a pr of 10.00 the less Vo2max you prolly have. For example lets say your form was absolute crap but you ran a 10min then you prolly have a better Vo2max then some one with ammaculit form. 10min 3200 = 64 Vdot by Daniels standards

[slowest kid on the team]

no thats right, the more efficient you are the closer your vdot (running economy) , and v02 max will be.

[Homer Simpson]

hey i like your name by the way...i used to be the slowest kid on the team, but now theyre are freshman and sophs that i beat, oh well...better luck next year for me

[bpence]

I would think that an average 10:00 guy would be in the mid to upper 60's, maybe 66-68 ml/kg/min. Of course, it varies a lot from person to person. At least one person with a VO2max under 70 has run a 2:08 marathon, so it's not inconceivable that someone with a rather low VO2max by distance running standards (low 50's, perhaps) could run a 10:00 2 mile if he were extremely efficient. And conversely, someone with a mid 70's VO2max would likely be able to hit 10:00 rather easily, even with sub-par running economy.

[Beanfontaine]

VO2max for 10min 3200m runner

<h3>Various Performance Ratings (Warning - Use for prediction with caution)</h3>
perf.fac. 718.91 purdy 716.35 purdy1 740.33 hungarian pts 608.76
VO2 (how much used) = 64.37, which is 101.0% of VO2 max = 63.74 ml/kg/min

[bpence]

VO2max for 10min 3200m runner

<h3>Various Performance Ratings (Warning - Use for prediction with caution)</h3>
perf.fac. 718.91 purdy 716.35 purdy1 740.33 hungarian pts 608.76
VO2 (how much used) = 64.37, which is 101.0% of VO2 max = 63.74 ml/kg/min

Here's the calculation used for that number:

v = 1609.3/pace

vo2 = -4.60 + 0.182258*v + 0.000104*v*v

percent_max = 0.8 + 0.1894393*exp(-0.012778*minutes) + 0.2989558*exp(-0.1932605*minutes)

vo2max = vo2/percent_max

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Several problems I see with that. First of all, for distances under about 5000m, the calculator calculates VO2 usage as a % over 100%, which is impossible to achieve, obviously. Secondly, the equation does not take into account the runner's weight, age, or gender, which are typically factors taken into account during a VO2max test. Finally, without having the book from which the equation was adapted (Jack Daniels, Conditioning for Distance Running - The Scientific Aspects, Wiley & Sons, 1978), we don't know what type of runner the equation is based on (young/old, ectomorph/endomorph, male/female, elite runner/recreational runner, etc.). 63.74 ml/kg/min seems a little low to me for an average runner to achieve a 10:00 2 Mile. If the equation that Dr. Daniels used in 1978 is similar to his V*Dot table, then it's for an aerobically well-trained and rather efficient runner, which most high schooler are not.

[dmaxwell]

It would really vary from athlete to athlete.

Any of Jack Daniels's books would have the chart you seek.


whoa...jack daniels writes books, that guy can do anything