Records will fall...

[Beanfontaine]

which World Record is in the most threat this upcoming season...

[VoidSix]

The 10K. Considering Bekele can run a 5K in 12:37 (I think, or is it 12:35?) he could potentially break his own record by 10-20 seconds in the 10K and take it down to 26:00-26:10. Slow down his 5K pace to 13:00's..almost BK's AR pace.

[miler]

5K, isnt el g supposed to attack it this year? i think hes fast enough to get it

[s2h5k]

i voted with the 5k as well. with kipchoge, bekele, el g and shaheen, the 5k is definately looking fragile. the 10k should go as well but their arent a lot of oppurtunities to go after it.

[Oh yeah!]

i think 5k and 10kk will fall, everything else seems pretty untouchable right now

[emceelaszlo]

400 H

Sanchez Carter Clement Brazell Taylor LOADED

[conabud]

I voted the 400.......just looks a little vulnerable with some of these young college-age guys we have now

[BroeJob_5K]

The 10K. Considering Bekele can run a 5K in 12:37 (I think, or is it 12:35?) he could potentially break his own record by 10-20 seconds in the 10K and take it down to 26:00-26:10. Slow down his 5K pace to 13:00's..almost BK's AR pace.

Gets my vote for most ignorant post of the year.

i could see the 400 being chalanged quite a bit, and also the 5k record, even though it is very new, Hicham said he would give it a shot so well see.

[Sebrle]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bryan Clay goes 9k+ in 2005 (Pappas is also a threat)

[Beowulf]

I voted the 400.......just looks a little vulnerable with some of these young college-age guys we have now
Sorry, but you are an idiot - 44.0 was the fastest time in the world last year (run by warriner) 43.18 is a long long ways away from 44.0. And who the hell voted for the 200??? 19.32...that record may never be broken (even though records are meant to be broken) - 19.32 is sooooo fast. I could be wrong but I dont think anyone besides MJ has run within 3 tenths of that time. Picking the 200 WR to be broken is simply ignorant.

[milerkick]

I pick the marathon.

[Sully 800]

i think it has to be the 5k or 10k. With the talent currently running, there is no way the 400 is any where close to being in the danger that the 5k/10k is. 400h is a very deep field this year as well though.

[Renbircs]

10k, perhaps down to 26:17 or so.

[nordicrunner]

i voted 3000 steeplechase because i think that shaheen has a great chance of bringing his record down even lower.

[Kniteryder]

I would have t osay the 5K, that field is loaded, plus the WR holder will be back...! I do not see anyone who can touch the any WR below the 1500m race. THe 400H record is WAY OUT THERE, and I do not see anyone breaking it this year, we will see times in leu of 47.05 or so, but NOT 46.78, that my friend is a big hill to climb, just as the 400m, 200m and 800m record.

However, I will say that the Men's 110H record MAY FALL.

Allen Johnson is still out for vengeance and the kid from CHINA Liu Xiang has equaled the record and Trammell is on both of their heels. I also see a Dawayne Wallace, Joel Brown and Ron Bramlet running faster this year.

I think we will see the record go below 12.90...

[emceelaszlo]

Sorry, but you are an idiot - 44.0 was the fastest time in the world last year (run by warriner) 43.18 is a long long ways away from 44.0. And who the hell voted for the 200??? 19.32...that record may never be broken (even though records are meant to be broken) - 19.32 is sooooo fast. I could be wrong but I dont think anyone besides MJ has run within 3 tenths of that time. Picking the 200 WR to be broken is simply ignorant.


I completely agree, Wariner... though amazing ran 44.00 that is almost a second off of MJ, no one has broken 44 since MJ and i think there maybe be some sub 44s nothing close to a record, i would choose Merrit Williamson or Clement as the college guys to herald breaking it before wariner got close, and i would say they do it in the next 4 or 5 years, but not this year, no where close. I think wariner isnt fast enough, yes i know he is fast but he should be running a faster 200 meters and 100 meters before he goes into the low 43 domain, i think the other 3 i state above are stronger... Wariner in my mind could more easily take Wilson Kipketers record in the 800 if he trained for it, 2 consecutive 50 second quaters could be a jog for him

[Kniteryder]

No disrespect but...For the LAST TIME...Wariner is NOT gonna run the 800m race....maybe when his career start to go downward but we could be talking about another 13 to 14 yrs...so let's just stay on topic...lol

Add the Men's 110H's to the poll, that will b a good one!

[conabud]

Sorry, but you are an idiot - 44.0 was the fastest time in the world last year (run by warriner) 43.18 is a long long ways away from 44.0. And who the hell voted for the 200??? 19.32...that record may never be broken (even though records are meant to be broken) - 19.32 is sooooo fast. I could be wrong but I dont think anyone besides MJ has run within 3 tenths of that time. Picking the 200 WR to be broken is simply ignorant.


dude, chill the heck out......it was an honest mistake. i was thinking that Merritt ran 43.93 indoor instead of 44.93....and i was also thinking Clement ran 44.29 instead of 45.29. I was a second off with those times.
i agree that the 200 won't be touched for a long time. the 400 might not go this year, but it is in danger within the next few years. punk.

[s2h5k]

Wariner in my mind could more easily take Wilson Kipketers record in the 800 if he trained for it, 2 consecutive 50 second quaters could be a jog for him

becuase hes a white, skinny sprinter? how many of the top 800m runners are 400m based? not many at all. saying two 50 second 400s is a jog for wariner is almost blasphemy to coe and kipketer! the day wariner breaks 1:40 in the 800m is the day he breaks 3:35 in the 1500m and that will never happen.

[milerkick]

becuase hes a white, skinny sprinter? how many of the top 800m runners are 400m based? not many at all. saying two 50 second 400s is a jog for wariner is almost blasphemy to coe and kipketer!

Alberto Juantorena. (I looked it up) Took up the 800 in 1976 and won the Olympic gold in both the 400 & 800 - setting a WR in the 800.

[VoidSix]

Gets my vote for most ignorant post of the year.


Why?

Did you even watch Bekele run the 10K WR? He said it wasn't even that hard, that he knew he had the record with a few laps to go.

Just a GUESS, but I would think Bekele runs quite a lot of aerobic miles. So I am guessing his aerobic system is pretty strong. I'm pretty sure a 13:05-13:10 first 5K wouldn't labor him too much.

That's like calling someone ignorant for saying a 4:00 miler wouldn't be too labored by a 4:10. Get a life. Gebreselassie shredded records by 10-20 seconds, why don't you think Bekele can?

[tach44444]

Why?

Did you even watch Bekele run the 10K WR? He said it wasn't even that hard, that he knew he had the record with a few laps to go.

Just a GUESS, but I would think Bekele runs quite a lot of aerobic miles. So I am guessing his aerobic system is pretty strong. I'm pretty sure a 13:05-13:10 first 5K wouldn't labor him too much.

my vote for the most ignorant post of the day.

wat are you talking about?? you have no idea wat you are saying. i don't have the exact quote handy, but bekele said, wen asked about the 10k record going below 26:00 said "NO, no no. No way. even 26:20 was very very difficult" and he also said he knew the only way he would get the record is if he ran the last lap hard. he said it came down to the last lap.

a 13:05-13:10 first 5k wouldn't labor him that much? not all out effort, but it would labor him plenty. not to a point of major lactic buildup, but enough. these guys seem unhuman. indeed, at times they do, but they are human. they are good, but there is a limit to how fast the human body can move.

back to the topic of the post: 5 k will go down. El G.

[emceelaszlo]

ok, blasphemy or not... Michael granville is a perfect example of the 400-800 runner, now he didnt have the greatest collegiate career but his senior year in hig school he was a perfect example, for wariner to run a 50 second 400 isnt hard, yes it is a tempo 3/4 speed. another 50 after that is quite unlkely, will he pursue the 800 unlikely too, BUT assuming he started a regimen surrounded w/ maybe 40 mpw and workouts pertaining to the 800 he could do it. I ma sure right now w/out any 800 training he could run 147-149, he could be real good.

[VoidSix]

my vote for the most ignorant post of the day.

wat are you talking about?? you have no idea wat you are saying. i don't have the exact quote handy, but bekele said, wen asked about the 10k record going below 26:00 said "NO, no no. No way. even 26:20 was very very difficult" and he also said he knew the only way he would get the record is if he ran the last lap hard. he said it came down to the last lap.

a 13:05-13:10 first 5k wouldn't labor him that much? not all out effort, but it would labor him plenty. not to a point of major lactic buildup, but enough. these guys seem unhuman. indeed, at times they do, but they are human. they are good, but there is a limit to how fast the human body can move.

back to the topic of the post: 5 k will go down. El G.

Believe me, I know he is a focused athlete but considering how close he was to NOT breaking the record, Bekele saying that he knew he was going to break it with three laps to go shows he still has a bit in the tank.

And I didn't mean that a 13:05-13:10 would be EASY for him. I just think he can come back in another 13:05-13:10 and hit a 26:10 or 26:15. I mean, when I run the 1600, I am pretty tired after a lap and a half--very tired after two laps and still negative split more than half the time.


Edit: Also, I'm not trying to pick a fight or get into an argument. I guess what I comes down to is my own opinion. Some people think he will eventually break 26. I don't know about that, but I think 26:10 is reasonable. If your main event was the 10K, how hard would a 10 second PR sound? Just my opinion boys.

[tach44444]

Believe me, I know he is a focused athlete but considering how close he was to NOT breaking the record, Bekele saying that he knew he was going to break it with three laps to go shows he still has a bit in the tank.


where did you read this? i have only heard that he was unsure he would get it, and it was all about the last lap that it would be determined in the final 400m. i in no way think he is done with that record. it will go down, i think that is certain. but not sub 26. not in this era.

[Beanfontaine]

i think with good comp the entire race we can see a sub 26:15 in the 10k ...how much under i dont know. on Bekeles on i can see a 26:16...13:11/13:05

far as the 5k. El G may get the record but not if bekele's in the race. Im sorry but saying El G can beat Bekele in a fast 5k world record race is like saying Bekele could take out El G in a fast world record mile race. its not gonna happen. Bekele OWNS the 5,000 meters, thats his domain.

[tach44444]

Bekele OWNS the 5,000 meters, thats his domain.

how soon we forget 2003 world champ 5k race.

[Oh yeah!]

i dont see anyone beating bekele in a 5000 or 10000 for the next several years

[Dragonsoul]

Dang Man! I believe Bekele could have run 26:12 last year if the race ended up going better, so he could run 26:0's this year! I could see the 5k world record getting down to 12:35 maybe. El G, Bekele, Kipchoge, Shaheen, and Sihine are all attacking, which is sweet!

Remember that when Bekele ran 26:20 last year...

1. The race didn't go perfectly with rabbiting
2. The race was in June, very early in the season

If the rabbiting went better and the race was Brussels 10k after Athens, he could have run 26:10 or 26:12, so I could easily see him running sub 26:10. Dang it's not like people are predicting sub 25! This is a legitimate prediction! I will speak my mind about my predictions, no matter who disagrees with me. Before trying to attack my post please THINK about what I am saying about Bekele having more potential for improvement. :)

[Beanfontaine]

how soon we forget 2003 world champ 5k race.


im not talking about what happened 2 years ago...that doesnt matter anymore, what matters is what his status is NOW..and as of now, he owns that sh-t.

[VoidSix]

Yeah, I never said he would break 26, I simply said I think his 10K record is the one most likely to go down for the reasons I stated above, and said I would not be surprised to see it in the 26:05-26:15 range.

[Dragonsoul]

Yeah, I never said he would break 26, I simply said I think his 10K record is the one most likely to go down for the reasons I stated above, and said I would not be surprised to see it in the 26:05-26:15 range.

He could get 26:05 this year if he didn't have his fiancee die and he missed training. With that happening I'm not sure exactly how fast he'll go. Yes he dominated in XC but not sure how he'd run on a track, we'll see how he does in the 5k this weekend in Ethiopian champs.

I wonder what his plans are? :rolleyes::eek:!!!

[bpence]

Don't expect to see him in the Ethiopian Championships this weekend. Last I heard, he had come over for a training stint in the US in mid April and planned to be here for a month and a half or more.

As for future plans, he will run the 10,000m in Hengelo as well as a yet-to-be-determined race (probably 3000, 5000, or 10,000) in Brussels after the World Champs. No word yet on which races in Helsinki, but I would imagine he would double again as I'm sure the EAF will want him to run both races. I haven't heard of any other races planned yet, but I'm sure he'll run two or three more at least over the course of the season. Maybe Ostrava again, and possibly Oslo, Rome, London, or some smaller Grand Prix race like the Gateshead 3000 from last year.

[Dragonsoul]

I have a feeling Hicham El Guerrouj will run the Brussels 3000(He's already accomplished it all in the 1500 and will not run the 10000 and there is no 5000), going after the world record. So I expect Kenenisa Bekele to go in the 10000.

HOPEFULLY the two of them meet up in the Zurich 5000 a week earlier and go after the world record. I think it's a realistic goal for both of them going 12:34. Some people have underestimated them, but those two and Saif Shaheen will prove themselves more this year. I wonder about Eliud Kipchoge though, how will he do?

I believe it's a good thing to get for him some more early season training before a race, because he was kind of out of shape earlier in the year, so he can get back into shape. He is fast but still, there was a loss of fitness(or some mental motivation) in his two indoor races. I believe he'll be back though. Bekele, El G, Shaheen, those are the guys to watch this year.

Oh, by the way, can Geb run in Helsinki marathon? Is he selected? What he do?

I believe he'll go 1-2 in 10k/5k in Helsinki with El G winning two events. How do you know he's running in Brussels? If he gets back to top shape he could run sub 26:10, and next year sub 26.

[bpence]

The Brussels meet site says that Bekele is running this year but has not yet decided on what event. The meet program for Brussels is not yet decided; they will almost certainly have a 10,000, but the have not committed to either the 3000 or the 5000 yet. They could run either one or possibly both as in 1997 and 1998. Brussels has typically run a 3000 in the past few years, but a major star such as Bekele can request races to be run, so if he'd rather run a 5000 at Brussels, that would likely be the race run there. I can almost guarantee that Bekele will not be at Zurich as it is too soon after the World Championships.

[Dragonsoul]

Dang! If El G doubles in Helsinki, do you think he can recover in time for a Zurich 5000? Do you think El G will run in Brussels and what event? Please sign onto aim right now and im me: dragonblades2000 i'll be on for a bit

Do you think Shaheen can break 7:50 this year? I think he can, we'll see, I think El G can break 12;37 also. :cool:

[bpence]

As for Geb, I doubt that he will run in Helsinki. As of right now, he does not have the marathon qualifying time to run in the race, so he cannot run even if he wants to. It wouldn't be hard for him to run sub 2:18 in a small marathon somewhere, but I doubt he will want to do that this year. I'd expect to see him run a fall marathon, probably New York but possibly Chicago or Berlin as well.

[Dragonsoul]

Please answer my other questions though, are you on aim?

[Dragonsoul]

Oh well I'll go home now and view this thread tomorrow

[tach44444]

im not talking about what happened 2 years ago...that doesnt matter anymore, what matters is what his status is NOW..and as of now, he owns that sh-t.

how soon we forget athens 2004.

[Beanfontaine]

how soon we forget athens 2004.

nice try..13:14 as the winning time makes it anybodys race. Like i said if its a fast world record 5k attempt..nobody can take him.

[Dragonsoul]

nice try..13:14 as the winning time makes it anybodys race. Like i said if its a fast world record 5k attempt..nobody can take him.

I respect your opinion but seriously, El G and Kipchoge are going to run super fast this year in the 5k. I wouldn't be suprised if all three run under the world record time. Plus Bekele was out of shape in Jan/Feb this year, so who knows what he's gonna do. Yea he did win again in XC but he did have a setback, we'll see in Hengelo 10k how fast he is.

BTW El G vs Kipchoge in Hengelo 3k. Next week is Ostrava, which should have a 5k. Question is who goes in the 5k, who will run? El G, Bekele, and Kipchoge could possibly run in it. But if it's a wr attempt there will probably be just one, I wonder who? Probably El G though.

I predict all three go sub 12:40 this year. I predict Shaheen and Sihine are definetely sub 12:50 and possibly sub 12:45. After Gebremariam's double win in Ethiopian Champs 5k/10k maybe he can run sub 12:50, and you also gotta look for Dejene Berhanu to go sub 12:50. Dang! This is gonna be the fastest 5k year of all time this year!!!!!!

My predictions for top times
1. Hicham El Guerrouj
2. Kenenisa Bekele
3. Eliud Kipchoge
4. Saif Saaed Shaheen
5. Sileshi Sihine
6. Geb Gebremariam
7. Dejene Berhanu
8. Augustine Choge

At the end of the year lets see how wrong or right I am. Beanfontaine, care to make a Friendly prediction of the order of people in 5k for TOP TIMES(not Helsinki)???

At the end of the year we'll look again.

I'll finalize my prediction before the end of the month, before Hengelo, after I consider more people