Goucher went 3;57 at BOSTON INDOOR

[goucher is da man]

and Nobody cares!?? Serioulsy that is roughly equivalent to his 3;54 outdoor pr.
I SAY THIS IS THE YEAR GOUCHER CRACKS 13:00!:)

[WIrunningman07]

and Nobody cares!?? Serioulsy that is roughly equivalent to his 3;54 outdoor pr.
I SAY THIS IS THE YEAR GOUCHER CRACKS 13:00!:)
Not counting it out yet either. I say 13:04 though. Hope he breaks the AR personally, but it would take something special.

[Kalaby]

Sub 13:00/AR is extremely unlikely, though an indoor 3:57 is a very impressive mark for Goucher in late January.

[Run5k]

Goucher went 3;57 at BOSTON INDOOR and Nobody cares!??

LoL! I'm a Goucher fan too, but perhaps not quite as much as somebody with an account name like yours!

[CampoXC rep]

LoL! I'm a Goucher fan too, but perhaps not quite as much as somebody with an account name like yours!
QFE I watched that today and was just looking for Goucher in the race the whole time, I'm pretty sure ppl care. However not everyone is rushing to the boards on a mostly high school message board about it.

[nwrunner]

QFE I watched that today and was just looking for Goucher in the race the whole time, I'm pretty sure ppl care. However not everyone is rushing to the boards on a mostly high school message board about it.
I agree, check letsrun.com's board.

[JaredR]

Not counting it out yet either. I say 13:04 though. Hope he breaks the AR personally, but it would take something special.
Well, I would say out of anyone in the U.S. aiming for low 13's or the American record, Goucher would be the one I'd pick to do "something special". I would love it and not be surprised for a second if he runs 12:56 this year.

[watchout]

Well, I would say out of anyone in the U.S. aiming for low 13's or the American record, Goucher would be the one I'd pick to do "something special". I would love it and not be surprised for a second if he runs 12:56 this year.

over Webb or Lagat? :)

I wouldn't be suprised to see Webb in more 5ks this year than in past. And I hope I'm right. I can see him breaking 13:10, maybe 13:05, this year. And Lagat is Lagat.

[king99]

Goucher is going from 13:10+ to 12:56? And then you woke up!!

[Kniteryder]

:d

[Kniteryder]

:D it is asking for a bit much IMO

[hawksrunner06]

goucher is the man. 3:57 indoor is sweet. That was mt pr last indoor season, haha i wish!!! I hope that he can go under 13:00 and i think that he is capable, so is webb, and well we know lagat can. I don't want to sound biased or anything, but i would rather webb or goucher have the AR then lagat. i don't have anything against lagat coming here to run, but i would just rather a natural born american have the AR. lets hope that there is a
5k next outdoor with lagat, webb, goucher, and ritz all in the same race, How bad ass would that be!!

[Kniteryder]

goucher is the man. 3:57 indoor is sweet. That was mt pr last indoor season, haha i wish!!! I hope that he can go under 13:00 and i think that he is capable, so is webb, and well we know lagat can. I don't want to sound biased or anything, but i would rather webb or goucher have the AR then lagat. i don't have anything against lagat coming here to run, but i would just rather a natural born american have the AR. lets hope that there is a
5k next outdoor with lagat, webb, goucher, and ritz all in the same race, How bad ass would that be!!


I would think you have to include Broe, Hall Dobson, Meb and maybe even Torres as well...as the 1st 3 have surpassed Ritz in their PR's by a significant decent amount.

[Timo]

Not saying Goucher will make a giant drop this year, but if he will any year it will be this year. This is the first time he has been healthy and training for over a year without injury in who knows how long. Gouch could drop 11 secs on a 5k this year, he could also drop nothing. I'm just saying if he's gonna drop a big chunk of time it will be this year

[Running-Hughes]

I would think you have to include Broe, Hall Dobson, Meb and maybe even Torres as well...as the 1st 3 have surpassed Ritz in their PR's by a significant decent amount.

I hope you didnt mean that Torres might have a shot at the AR in the 5,000, he just ran a PR last year and that was 13:20.xx, that would be quite a jump.

[JaredR]

:D it is asking for a bit much IMO
Well, I'm not asking for it or expecting it. I just wouldn't be surprised if he ended up going 12:57-12:56. I think he's the best distance talent in the U.S. since Kennedy. Goucher has just battled more problems. When fully healthy, Goucher will turn plenty of heads. He has a lot more in him than we've seen, I believe.

[king99]

Hall will run fast in a semi rabbitted race of all American guys

a bit of jockeying or NOT even fractions or running on the break when they all go at once..sorry he is totally lost in that environment.

Just does not run well, in Mixed fields fo Euro, Africans and Americans..just is..lack of experience? Maybe, but I don;t think so,,he seems to have an inability despite his fitness to, shift gears.

[WIrunningman07]

Goucher is going from 13:10+ to 12:56? And then you woke up!!
Next to your MOM! Oh burn, sorry.

I think Webb will have a very good shot at it, just down the road a bit. IMO his training just isn't quite there yet for a sub-13 5k, but could be soon. Lagat, obviously is a threat to it, as he proved last year. Broe is also a definate contender. He's slipped under the radar for lots of Americans, but he's a terrific runner.
Ritz, Meb, and Torres are all longer distance guys now. Ritz is looking at cross/road racing, and the 10k on the track. Jorge Torres will make his debut at 10,000 in spring of this year. I think he'll be more successful at this than he was the 5,000 (someone already mentioned his 13:2x PR there). There's even talk about him marathoning by late 2006/early 2007. Meb is becoming an international marathon elite. He'll only come back to the track, if he does at all, just to gain a bit of speed, and his best times will be at 10,000m.
A number of Americans have a shot at sub-13, and even the Bob's Record, but I'm personally routing for Gouch.

[Leo Rufus]

Saying goucher will drop to sub 13 this year isn't *quite* that much of a day dream. Theoreticly it's something he SHOULD have done a long time ago and this would just be the first time he's been healthy long enough to stand a chance.
I'd say Broe has the best chance outta all the american's to get the record. IF Lagat decides to 5k it up (at least twice) he will break the record. Webb... i don't think will break 13 but that's only because he's so much more of a miler.
As far as ritz... well it depends on what ritz decides to do. He has the ability to go sub 13 i just don't believe he has the experience to use that ability to do it. However he seems more intent on the 10k than anything else.
Hall is a fantastic 5k runner, not to mention Dobson. I've been rooting for Hall to break through since i was a freshman in highschool and last year when he ran so well in the 5k i was thrilled. Then i was shocked when he went third at nationals with (i think) 13:12-13:13. Absolutely possible for him too just because, like goucher, he hasn't had so many years strung together where he is dropping times in a predictable fashion.

[New Potato Caboose]

I just don't see it!
Goucher has broken 13:15 TWICE in the last 7 years. Last year he improved marginally over his 1999 13:11 and hit 7:40 for 3000m, which however comfortable a victory is not anywhere near what is necessary to run sub 13. He's getting older and not a great many years remain in his competitive career.

I think a little too much emphasis is put here on the need for a runner to break new ground in their career. Goucher has been an enormous talent and a great runner, but 3:57i is no herald of sub-13.

[lasseviren]

agreed caboose!

goucher will most likely NOT break 13. there are two US runners that have a shot: webb and lagat. they've got the speed, they've got the international experience, and lagat's already done it once and webb has time on his side.

i haven't been too impressed with the consistency of ritz and hall since they got out of high school. sure, they've put up good marks, but never consistently.

as for the others mentioned in the thread: i don't think any of them have the speed to do it. breaking 13 is running 3 4:09 +/- miles back to back and then kicking home. that's a hell of a lot of speed and endurance.

[nordicrunner]

and Nobody cares!?? Serioulsy that is roughly equivalent to his 3;54 outdoor pr.
I SAY THIS IS THE YEAR GOUCHER CRACKS 13:00!:)

For old times sake...

Goucher is not da man.

[Sun Maid]

People saying that "Webb doesn't have a chance yet" are disregarding his past performances. Webb's 2-mile PR is superior to his 800, and how many more chances has he had to improve that 800 PR? I think Webb stands an excellent chance at the 5k distance and could see him possibly move to the 5k in the future. He would stand a better chance in Championship races at that distance because he has excellent finishing speed for such an event.

Anyway, even if he doesn't move up to the 5k as his primary event for another 5+ years he could still break 13 for the 5k. He needs to drop 10 seconds in an event he ran once (seriously ran, Penn was prep.) last year. If he does 3 this year, does more workouts that focus on the kind of things he needs for the 5k, I think he will do it.

[Dragonsoul]

That's great for Adam! He's back on track, I liek this

[watchout]

People saying that "Webb doesn't have a chance yet" are disregarding his past performances. Webb's 2-mile PR is superior to his 800, and how many more chances has he had to improve that 800 PR? I think Webb stands an excellent chance at the 5k distance and could see him possibly move to the 5k in the future. He would stand a better chance in Championship races at that distance because he has excellent finishing speed for such an event.

Anyway, even if he doesn't move up to the 5k as his primary event for another 5+ years he could still break 13 for the 5k. He needs to drop 10 seconds in an event he ran once (seriously ran, Penn was prep.) last year. If he does 3 this year, does more workouts that focus on the kind of things he needs for the 5k, I think he will do it.

Agreed. Webb ran the 5k seriously ONCE and got within .6 seconds of Gouchers amazing breakout run. And that was off pure miler work. I don't know for sure, but I'm assuming he's added a couple mpw this year from last, or he is at least planning on it, and that's just going to help his endurance that much more. Running 13:10 before, without focusing on it at all, running one serious race at it? I'd say he should be under 13:05 this year if he runs it twice. Maybe even close to 13:00.

Lagat could break 13, he's done it before so there is no reason not to.

Goucher and Broe are both good, but I don't see either of them breaking 13:00, or 13:05, this year. It would be a good year for them if they can get around 13:07.

Then there is Abdi, hoping to break 13:10

Dobson and Hall next, but Dobson has been too inconsistant I don't think he's gonna drop much if at all this year. Hall may or may not, I can never tell with him.

I don't think Torres, Meb, or Ritz will challenge 13:10 this year, either.

But it still looks like a very good group of American 5k runners. :)

[JaredR]

is everyone forgetting "Running With the Buffaloes"? Goucher was possibly a bigger talent upon leaving college than Bob Kennedy was. Goucher just hasn't had half the healthy time that Kennedy had. I still believe in Goucher's unreached potential. Goucher has a MUCH bigger chance of breaking 13 than Broe. Broe is awesome. Goucher just has something special. Goucher has something special that's only seen in Kennedy, Ritz, and Webb as far as recent U.S. runners go. Goucher just has it in him.

[mzungu]

you can't get into the personalities. you just have to look at past results and training. goucher has a 13:10 to his credit and a 3:57 indoor mile already this year. he has a lot of injuries in his past as well, so hard to predict what he'll do this year. if it is his second injury-free year, then we might see him run closer to 13, but he might have come close to his max last year. in any case, it's always dangerous to speculate on potential at the time when they have just completed a career year. (look at baseball contracts!)

[Mrr82]

Didn't Goucher Already run a 357 indoors this year prior to this race?

[king99]

One thing is true, if you talk or talked to anyone regarding Adam Goucher, the consensus is over whelming..a HUGE talent, and huge aerobic Engine and as tough as they come.

I hope he runs under..I just think that after shaving 1 tick off after a few years, that healthy or not the next TEN secs down? Would be challenging.

For Webb, on the other hand , as nutty as this sounds with his 8:11 PR for two, and his underside and now running good cross again and again, you could see it in his next serious attempt almost, in other words, not a serious stretch to see your self predicting that, as gast as it is.