Jones, Conte Settle $25 Million Defamation Lawsuit [Archive]

Zat0pek

02-08-2006, 04:16 PM

Looks as though Conte was trying to slander Jones...I guess he felt better to "pay up" then to keep false allegations going...I mean, why else would he do that if he were telling the truth....

I'd say it's just the opposite; looks like Marion didn't want this to go any further. From the article:

The settlement came two weeks after Wagstaffe submitted documents saying he would, as part of the case, take the depositions of Jones, "and other individuals who will corroborate plaintiff's use of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing drugs."

Having been involved in a few defamation cases, this one looked like nothing more than a PR stunt on Marion's part from the beginning. The real shooting was about to begin in discovery, and she wanted no part of it.

dwacox

02-08-2006, 04:21 PM

I'd say it's just the opposite; looks like Marion didn't want this to go any further. From the article:

Having been involved in a few defamation cases, this one looked like nothing more than a PR stunt on Marion's part from the beginning. The real shooting was about to begin in discovery, and she wanted no part of it.

Then why would Conte settle it seems that he was not very sure of his position either

Zat0pek

02-08-2006, 05:06 PM

Then why would Conte settle it seems that he was not very sure of his position either

As I mentioned, Conte may have had nothing to do with that decision.

dwacox

02-08-2006, 05:35 PM

As I mentioned, Conte may have had nothing to do with that decision.

not bad Logic Marion settles because she is afraid Conte settles because he has to hmmm if Conte was so in awe of his insurance co than why did he make such strong statements

Kniteryder

02-08-2006, 05:45 PM

not bad Logic Marion settles because she is afraid Conte settles because he has to hmmm if Conte was so in awe of his insurance co than why did he make such strong statements

Exactly...she didn't make the move in this...it was Conte's camp, which it clearly states in the article.

Zat0pek

02-08-2006, 06:14 PM

not bad Logic Marion settles because she is afraid Conte settles because he has to hmmm if Conte was so in awe of his insurance co than why did he make such strong statements

What are you not getting? I never said Conte "had" to settle. I said he likely had no role in the decision.

Let me explain how this works.

If you have liability coverage (home, auto, business, etc) and you get sued for something that might be covered under the policy, you turn the lawsuit over to your insurance company. The insurance company refers the case to a lawyer from an approved list of insurance defense attorneys to represent you in the lawsuit. You are the client, but the attorney is paid by the insurance company. Settlement negotiations would not have even involved Conte; they involve the insurance company only. I just mediated a case where the defendant didn't even show up at the mediation; it was only the attorney and the insurance claims representative. In fact, the defendant objected to the case being settled but had no say in the outcome.

The way this likely played out is that upon notice of the depositions, Marion got cold feet. It is the plaintiff that makes the initial settlement demand, not the defendant that makes an offer. Marion's attorney likely went to Conte's attorney with an offer attractively low enogh that the insurance company decided it was cheaper to settle than to incur defense costs, taking into account potential liability and damages.

KevinM

02-08-2006, 06:28 PM

I think few people realize how often settlements are not admissions of guilt/liability, but merely an attempt to lessen defense costs. I know I didn't until I started working frequently with lawyers.

Zat0pek

02-08-2006, 06:30 PM

Exactly...she didn't make the move in this...it was Conte's camp, which it clearly states in the article.

No, it doesn't. No where in the article does it say that Conte initiated the settlement. It simply says that he settled it. Well, duh. The defendant is the one that pays.

Zat0pek

02-08-2006, 06:34 PM

I think few people realize how often settlements are not admissions of guilt/liability, but merely an attempt to lessen defense costs. I know I didn't until I started working frequently with lawyers.

Settlement releases almost universally contain an explicit statement denying liability. Every settlement release I have been involved with in sixteen years of practice, both from the plaintiffs and the defense side, has contained such clause.

Kniteryder

02-08-2006, 06:37 PM

No, it doesn't. No where in the article does it say that Conte initiated the settlement. It simply says that he settled it. Well, duh. The defendant is the one that pays.

Hmmm, reading a few article's earlier it stated such, now I see some wording changed...at any rate, if he had something he should have pulled the lid of that pot!

Zat0pek

02-08-2006, 06:46 PM

Hmmm, reading a few article's earlier it stated such, now I see some wording changed...at any rate, if he had something he should have pulled the lid of that pot!

Precisely why Marion would have been motivated to drop her demand low enough to ensure that the case settled and thus avoid that information coming out.

Mrr82

02-08-2006, 08:09 PM

Precisely why Marion would have been motivated to drop her demand low enough to ensure that the case settled and thus avoid that information coming out.

Yes, i thought that was pretty obvious when they didn't mention the amount she was awarded. If she got anythign substantial it would be noted, and she would want it noted as it would show she had a strong case in her favor.

Marion probably dropped it to almost nothing as long and asked for the amount to not be disclosed which was why it wasn't included in the article. She's basically trying to stop herself from getting kicked out of the sport like she should be. Just get rid of her already.

Kostyu

02-08-2006, 08:58 PM

Points for discussion
Could this article mean some of the other athletes accused by Conte really didn't dope? Did Jones pursue the defamation case solely to cover herself from allegations by Conte?

Agent Orange

02-09-2006, 10:36 AM

There are good reasons for both sides to settle here.

To back Zat up on the insurance matter:

It is almost certain that Conte didn't have any part in the decision to settle. Insurance companies, particularly professional insurance companies, possess tremendous amount of control over the trials of their insured. They appoint their own lawyers, plan out trial strategy, and decide how much to fund a lawsuit.

Here in Wisconsin, for example, if you want to file a lawsuit against someone for defamation, or for personal injury, or any action to recover money, and they have insurance, you are allowed to bypass them, and sue their insurance company directly. So if Person A and Person B are in a car accident, when Person A is insured by State Farm, if Person B wants to sue Person A for their injuries, the lawsuit will read "Person B v. State Farm."

Also, settlement is incredibly common. Settlement is a much cheaper way of resolving a dispute, without the costs of going to trial. $25million is a lot of money, and both sides would be willing to spend up to $24.99million to win. The much more sensible alternative is to just give Marion a relatively insignificant amount (to $25million), so she gets a little, Conte keeps a little, and huge expense is avoided. Settlement negotiations in lawsuits are a really interesting intersection of economics and psychology, and a really good (Nobel Prize Winning) author, Ronald Coase, wrote about them in this article (http://www.sfu.ca/~allen/CoaseJLE1960.pdf) back in the '60s.

Under the rules governing depositions, lawyers can ask any question about "any matter, not privileged, that is relevant to the claim or defense of any party." That is an intentionally broad rule. Marion could be asked about anything regarding her training, her association with other athletes, and probably some very personal details about her relationship with Tim Montgomery, which wouldn't be privileged, since they were never married. In short, depositions could show the public a lot more about Marion than we have seen before, not only about drugs, but in other ways that could negatively reflect on her character, her endorse-ability, and not be worth the $25million verdict (that is, if she were to win it).

dwacox

02-09-2006, 10:49 AM

Wow No wonder Conte felt free to say anything he wants to without fear of retribution.... if worse comes to worse he has the insurance company unbrella to fall back on..... and before that how many people want all of there buisness out there for the world to see

Mrr82

02-09-2006, 01:14 PM

Terms of the deal were not disclosed. Conte attorney James Wagstaffe said the case was settled on “confidential terms.”

There you go. Just like i said. Marion cheated, filed a suit, lowered the suit to a point where the insurance companies would settle with the stipulation that it wouldn't be brought public how low she went because it wuold just prove her guilt and now conte can't say anything.

Marion had no case and now she manipulated the system and is getting away with it. She should seriously be put in jail now for this. Undermining the system which works on money and making it so Conte can't testify against her. That should be a criminal offense, clever, but should be illegal.

Zat0pek

02-09-2006, 01:46 PM

Yes, i thought that was pretty obvious when they didn't mention the amount she was awarded. If she got anythign substantial it would be noted, and she would want it noted as it would show she had a strong case in her favor.

Not true at all. The dollar amount has nothing to do with confidentiality. Defendants and their insurance carriers almost universally require confidentiality clauses in settlement terms whether its one dollar or one million dollars.

Kniteryder

02-09-2006, 02:22 PM

So the settlement is in fact just the agreement between the 2 parties to end their angst agianst each other amicably(sp)....none of us therefore know who was "more right or wrong"....

KevinM

02-09-2006, 02:25 PM

Correct. The settlement tells us nothing other than that Conte's insurance company found this to be the most financially efficient way to settle the matter. Any attempt to convict or acquit Marion based on this is misguided.

Zat0pek

02-09-2006, 02:53 PM

So the settlement is in fact just the agreement between the 2 parties to end their angst agianst each other amicably(sp)....none of us therefore know who was "more right or wrong"....

Precisely.

10bears4317

02-09-2006, 04:10 PM

Precisely.

So Conte is entitled to libel someone, settle the case, and pretend there was nothing to the case. Fine. I'm entitled to assume that his "evidence" against Marion Jones was a lie, and that's exactly what I'm doing.

"Hindsight is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy." President George W. Bush, 2006 State of the Union Address [Translation: I never admit to my mistakes, and I never take any advice from those who know more than I do.]

KevinM

02-09-2006, 04:16 PM

So Conte is entitled to libel someone, settle the case, and pretend there was nothing to the case. Fine. I'm entitled to assume that his "evidence" against Marion Jones was a lie, and that's exactly what I'm doing.

"Hindsight is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy." President George W. Bush, 2006 State of the Union Address [Translation: I never admit to my mistakes, and I never take any advice from those who know more than I do.]

What on EARTH would lead you to rationally make that decision?

As Zat (who is an attorney, by the way) mentions, you must consider the following:

1) "Defendants and their insurance carriers almost universally require confidentiality clauses in settlement terms whether its one dollar or one million dollars."

This is not a Conte thing. It's a standard procedure. It should tell you nothing about either Jones or Conte.

2) "Defendants and their insurance carriers almost universally require confidentiality clauses in settlement terms whether its one dollar or one million dollars."

Again, not something Conte or Jones are doing to hide evidence or lead you to believe one way or another. Conte's insurance company likely made the settlement. Conte would have no say in the matter.

Kostyu

02-09-2006, 05:45 PM

So now if Jones is accused of doping, Conte can't testify against her?

Zat0pek

02-09-2006, 05:49 PM

So now if Jones is accused of doping, Conte can't testify against her?

No, he could be a witness. The confidentiality is only as to the settlement terms and amount.

Kniteryder

02-09-2006, 06:04 PM

Zat0pek

02-09-2006, 06:09 PM

At this point they(IOC) are having issues with that very thing. The IOC is mad that the settlement had occurred, because it doesn't allow them to be privy to anything invloved...or am I mistaken...

Basically they gotta find their own evidence instead of coming Conte's way...

If they don't have subpoena power, and I'm pretty sure they don't, then that's probably true. But the settlement can't bar Conte from testifying in court if subpoened.

Mrr82

02-09-2006, 11:50 PM

Not true at all. The dollar amount has nothing to do with confidentiality. Defendants and their insurance carriers almost universally require confidentiality clauses in settlement terms whether its one dollar or one million dollars.

The dollar amount has everything to do with confidentiallity in this case. Not only does this show Marion knew she didn't have a good case because she was guilty and drugged up as hell, it shows she dind't want the world to know how much it was for. Conte's side wouldn't have cared if it was confidential or not if she was asking to settle because it shows more of a positive for Conte then a negative. Not to mention he's in Jail and i doubt he would care if everyone knew what hte settlement was money value was at this point. If it was for a substantial amount it would not have been confidential, and if it was a tiny amount only Marions side would have demanded it be confidential. Marion is the only one who would want this confidential. Those are just the facts. And she'd have a say in it.

It doesn't even really matter. Everyone with half a brain knows she has been drugged up since she was 16 years old if not longer.

YaRight

02-10-2006, 12:39 AM

The dollar amount has everything to do with confidentiallity in this case. Not only does this show Marion knew she didn't have a good case because she was guilty and drugged up as hell, it shows she dind't want the world to know how much it was for. Conte's side wouldn't have cared if it was confidential or not if she was asking to settle because it shows more of a positive for Conte then a negative. Not to mention he's in Jail and i doubt he would care if everyone knew what hte settlement was money value was at this point. If it was for a substantial amount it would not have been confidential, and if it was a tiny amount only Marions side would have demanded it be confidential. Marion is the only one who would want this confidential. Those are just the facts. And she'd have a say in it.

It doesn't even really matter. Everyone with half a brain knows she has been drugged up since she was 16 years old if not longer.

Just as everyone pretty much has a similar opinion about you Mrr82 on most of your post's and you know it all training methods:D

Mrr82

02-10-2006, 12:43 AM

Just as everyone pretty much has a similar opinion about you Mrr82 on most of your post's and you know it all training methods:D

You'd be surprised who actually agrees with me off the boards. People of much bigger names then you :-p (and even bigger then the likes of the great King99, even if he was Marty L)

Mrr82

02-10-2006, 12:47 AM

You are a fking idiot. Drugged up since she was 16? Is that what you say about all of the people who are faster than you, including in this case a girl when she was 16

100%. She's been on drugs since well into HS. I think you'd be surprised to see how many Hs girls use steroids. You might even be surprised to know there are a large number (not percentage) of girls who use steroids in MIDDLE SCHOOL, for their looks, and also for athletics as in marions case. You might want to take a look at some of the studies out there.

Marion used it to get an advantage in sports. She's been a user her whole life....by user i mean using drugs, using people, using whatever she can. She used CJ, then she used Monte, and now she's using a settlement to keep Conte from talking.

Mrr82

02-10-2006, 01:05 AM

that 1% who had her husband inject her, and then her boyfriend get hers drugs? Both of whom she ditched as soon as they got caught.

Mrr82

02-10-2006, 01:10 AM

here's a nice story Fox did on middle school and HS girls using steroids. You honestly think it's hard for girls to get steroids? You'd be surprised what parents do for their kids, and how easy it is to get through other means.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154565,00.html

YaRight

02-10-2006, 01:10 AM

You'd be surprised who actually agrees with me off the boards. People of much bigger names then you :-p (and even bigger then the likes of the great King99, even if he was Marty L)

LMAO like I have always said to you Mrr82, you really should take a shot at coaching some kids. I know that you constantly shy away from this question/request, but there comes a time when you should try putting your so called great knowledge of this sport to use for the better of it. Maybe your afraid of failure? dont be it comes with life, but if you could get 1 kid to become great it would be all worth it, wouldnt it? Plus then it would give you real bragging rights! come on Mrr82 what do you say?

Mrr82

02-10-2006, 01:12 AM

Don't you know? I'm Marion Jones new coach

YaRight

02-10-2006, 01:14 AM

Don't you know? I'm Marion Jones new coach

sidestep, sidestep, sidestep!!! nice dancing!! lmfao

Kniteryder

02-10-2006, 01:15 AM

Mrr82

02-10-2006, 01:25 AM

I got an idea...why don't u just pull the evidence you have right now and go expose her....

Oh wait....u have none. :rolleyes:

You should just move on, this stuff is making you seem like a stalker....

There is TONS of evidence. That is why the USDA is so PISSED! Jones undermined the system to keep herself from going down.

Stalker? please...If i had it my way she'd be locked up in Jail.

Kniteryder

02-10-2006, 01:28 AM

There is TONS of evidence. That is why the USDA is so PISSED! Jones undermined the system to keep herself from going down.

Stalker? please...If i had it my way she'd be locked up in Jail.

Well if you'd have ur way WE'd all be locked up...but more for our saftey...lol

If they have TONS of this evidence, how about u let them use it and and leave it alone...let them throw the book at her, using the tons they have...

Wait...they're pissed though...hmmm, wonder why.

YaRight

02-10-2006, 01:33 AM

Well if you'd have ur way WE'd all be locked up...but more for our saftey...lol

If they have TONS of this evidence, how about u let them use it and and leave it alone...let them throw the book at her, using the tons they have...

Wait...they're pissed though...hmmm, wonder why.

Kniteryder, this is what Mrr82 does best.........He DANCES!! away from everyone that challenge him lol:D

Mrr82

02-10-2006, 01:58 AM

Kniteryder, this is what Mrr82 does best.........He DANCES!! away from everyone that challenge him lol:D

I'm not dancing, you just keep asking the same question over and over, and one day if you come up to me in person, i'll give you a nice gut shot, then i'll gladly answer ok? :) fair enough?

YaRight

02-10-2006, 02:34 AM

I'm not dancing, you just keep asking the same question over and over, and one day if you come up to me in person, i'll give you a nice gut shot, then i'll gladly answer ok? :) fair enough?

LMAO... sounds like someone got under your skin. You seem like you have temper issues lol, maybe you could end up in a cell one day next to the people who you think should be in the slammer. Use the yellow pages and search for some medical help. Or are you just having "Roid Rage"?:D

Mrr82

02-10-2006, 09:45 AM

LMAO... sounds like someone got under your skin. You seem like you have temper issues lol, maybe you could end up in a cell one day next to the people who you think should be in the slammer. Use the yellow pages and search for some medical help. Or are you just having "Roid Rage"?:D

That was a joke, if i ever met you in person i wouldn't give you the gut shot, i'd go straight for the bal... :-p Nah, i'm actually one of the hardest people to get upset in person.

Zat0pek

02-10-2006, 09:57 AM

The dollar amount has everything to do with confidentiallity in this case.

Let me try this again: In sixteen years of practicing law, every single settlement agreement I have been involved with, either from the plaintiff's of the defense side, has had a confidentiality agreement. It is the defendant, and more specifically the defendant's insurance carrier, that requires them as settlement term.

KevinM

02-10-2006, 10:12 AM

It's too late guys. The court has spoken.

http://www.kangaroocourt.com/KC-logo-new.jpg

Mrr82

02-10-2006, 01:31 PM

I am waiting for Mrr82's proof on the middle school girls taking steroids for their looks and the proof of Marion taking drugs from the time she was at least 16, if not younger. :rolleyes:

Ok genius....I already provided a link to the article fox did where middle school girls take steroids for looks. Not to mention you're allowed to use your own brain to find this stuff out instead of harping about me providing it (which i alread did)

Kniteryder

02-10-2006, 01:41 PM

It's too late guys. The court has spoken.

http://www.kangaroocourt.com/KC-logo-new.jpg

LOL good one Kevin :D

Mrr82

02-10-2006, 04:46 PM

even if the statistics are biased....7% in middle school and 5% in hs....those numbers are huge. If it was 1% that woudl STILL BE HUGE. less then 1% of girls go on to become professional athletes.

Mrr82

02-11-2006, 01:06 PM

You clearly don't realize the price of illegal substances....or how much money a lot of young kids have. Please....we're just talking girls....you want to nkow how many GUYS take steroids in hs?? Please....What are you sexist? you think magically guys have more power to buy drugs then girls do?

And then in college....I know football teams (non big time ones where the guys are loaded anyways) where almost everyone of hte guys use steroids. You think they become rich in college?? There are TONS of people with extra money. You're clueless if yuo think everyone gets 10 dollars a month for allowance.

Mrr82

02-11-2006, 03:18 PM

If a girl was taking steroids for "looks" she'd be ****ed because she will be talking like a man and growing hair everywhere in no time if she didn't know exactly what to do

College vs middle school... hmmm... big difference? yes. Even compared to high school it's a huge difference. A lot of college programs encourage use, which is where people start. Very few start in high school and I'd say about none start in middle school.

Davan....you don't know a thing about steroids as you make very clear. Not all steroids make a girl look like a man. What are you living in 1970?

Also the point wasn't weather college's encourge the use, it was that people can afford it. Steroids are not that expensive. Heck you can buy steroids or HGH over the interenet for chump change compared to what many of these kids have for spending money. You underestimate what these kids can get their hands on. Young girls get their hands on worse things then steroids drug wise.....yet you somehow think it's impossible to get steroids.....You clearly have no idea what a small percent of girls put their bodies through and what lengths they would go to do it.

You know how many hs kids do some kind of serious pleasure drug? You think that's cheap? Get a clue man....Money is not an issue.

Mrr82

02-13-2006, 08:32 PM

Mrr I'm waiting for your response. You can PM me if you don't wish to do it here...

Yuo're acutally waiting for a response? geeze....Well what i think you don't understand is how much spending money some of these kids have, and that some of these kids parents even buy them performance enhancing drugs. Ive met Men and Women who had their parents provide them with performance ehancing drugs while in hs. Neither ended up doing sports in college as they quit once they got away frmo their parents. There are kids in HS driving around in brand new cars, trust me there are more then 1% of HS kids who can afford an abundance of steroids.

for the love of the race

02-13-2006, 10:01 PM

Mrr82

02-13-2006, 11:08 PM

she dumped cj and others because THEY lied to her.......not vice versa.........

She dind't just dump CJ, she divorced him after he tested positive, lie? She knew he was juicing, they juiced together. He injected her.

daman

02-13-2006, 11:16 PM

He injected her.EEEEEEEWWWWWWWW!!!!!!

for the love of the race

02-13-2006, 11:40 PM

She dind't just dump CJ, she divorced him after he tested positive, lie? She knew he was juicing, they juiced together. He injected her.

Yes she divorced him because he lied to her when she asked him straight to his face if he was juicing and he said he wasn't.

Where do you get your facts from ? You state that she knew he was juicing, they juiced together. He injected her. You are making that up because you don't like her. Nowhere has it ever been proven - you are conjecturing fiction into fact.

When the facts don't suit you do you always make them up to fit your rationale?

fourjz

02-14-2006, 12:24 AM

fact.......

marion has never, ever tested dirty.......

until she does, legally, she's clean........make sense?

just because you don't like her doesn't mean she's guilty......

just because you don't like her doesn't mean she should be locked up......

she dumped cj and others because THEY lied to her.......not vice versa.....

the only thing she's ever been guilty of is having poor judgment regarding who she associated with.......that's all...... once she realized her mistakes, she did something about it to correct the situation......

I'm all for talking about the Marion Jones saga.Because it is unfinished.With the IAAF,USADA,IOC,USATF,and others.But at this very moment.All I want to know about Marion Jones is ;What is she going to do on the track.Period !! When is she running first ! At Mt.Sac,or another meet ? that's all.:rolleyes: :(

SwiperTheFox

02-14-2006, 10:11 AM

fact.......

marion has never, ever tested dirty.......

until she does, legally, she's clean........make sense?

This is absolutely no-longer true, as athletes have now been suspended in the absence of a positive test. If there's anything BALCO taught us, it is that testing clean does not prove innocence. It simply proves you're not doing the things they're testing for at the moment.

Mrr82

02-14-2006, 01:24 PM

Yes she divorced him because he lied to her when she asked him straight to his face if he was juicing and he said he wasn't.

Where do you get your facts from ? You state that she knew he was juicing, they juiced together. He injected her. You are making that up because you don't like her. Nowhere has it ever been proven - you are conjecturing fiction into fact.

When the facts don't suit you do you always make them up to fit your rationale?

Oh please....just like she cared that Monty was taking 5 different drugs at once....she knew he was juicing, she did it with him, these are facts. He personally injected her. What i would like to see is Strap CJ up to a lie detecter and ask him if he personally injected her, and when he passes the test see what Marions camp does then. Put her in jail already.

Kniteryder

02-14-2006, 01:31 PM

Oh please....just like she cared that Monty was taking 5 different drugs at once....she knew he was juicing, she did it with him, these are facts. He personally injected her. What i would like to see is Strap CJ up to a lie detecter and ask him if he personally injected her, and when he passes the test see what Marions camp does then. Put her in jail already.

OH STOP IT Mrr...you do make many false claims, UNTIL she test positive, then u cannot say she is dirty...the main pint IS, that will ALL THE circumstantial evidence that they CLEARLY had on everyone else...why NONE on Marion...how come she gets to be exempt...association doesn't mean you're guilty...it does mean you may have poor judgement into who you select as your company, but does not mean you are guilty. Please stop all the accusations withou any merit...

Mrr82

02-14-2006, 01:35 PM

OH STOP IT Mrr...you do make many false claims, UNTIL she test positive, then u cannot say she is dirty...the main pint IS, that will ALL THE circumstantial evidence that they CLEARLY had on everyone else...why NONE on Marion...how come she gets to be exempt...association doesn't mean you're guilty...it does mean you may have poor judgement into who you select as your company, but does not mean you are guilty. Please stop all the accusations withou any merit...

Simple, because she dates cheaters and they end up being the ones who gets caught cause there name is all over it...or they are just really stupid like Monty and admit to using drugs tehn deny it even though everyone nkows he admitted it under what he thought would be kept secret.. She's a user, always has been always will be. Who's her next victim? Without Merit? Please....she's shown she's guilty as hell, latest was her dropping her civil suit settlement to chump change to avoid having Conte put her away for life in track in field.

Mrr82

02-14-2006, 01:39 PM

dwacox

02-14-2006, 02:28 PM

Simple, because she dates cheaters and they end up being the ones who gets caught cause there name is all over it...or they are just really stupid like Monty and admit to using drugs tehn deny it even though everyone nkows he admitted it under what he thought would be kept secret.. She's a user, always has been always will be. Who's her next victim? Without Merit? Please....she's shown she's guilty as hell, latest was her dropping her civil suit settlement to chump change to avoid having Conte put her away for life in track in field.

What was the amount that she settled for I have seen no mention of any amount:confused:

Kniteryder

02-14-2006, 02:53 PM

What was the amount that she settled for I have seen no mention of any amount:confused:

The settlement was confidential between the 2 parties.

Kniteryder

02-14-2006, 03:01 PM

No circumstantial evidence? Checks with her name on it...Former Husband says he injected her, Monte admitting to being drugged through the roof when they were havin a kid together. Secretly moving to train under charlie francis with her drugged up bf and denying it until Nike found out and made them leave him. Conte saying she was drugged up. Caladeners with her intials on it at Balco. No circumstantial evidence? her basically all but dropping the civil suit to avoid conte testifying....you coulda fooled me...

Calendars, her initials with the marks 9.88, 9.86 and 9.79 next to her, so we are to believe that he was trying to make her run these times correct???

Stop it...And we are suppose to believe a confessed liar and a cheat in CJ...Monty never said she used drugs with him...u need to go pull up your "so-called" special condifential access to these grand jury testimony files that you are privy too and give us the evidence...cuz we KNOW that you have acces to these things...of course..You the ALL KNOWING Mrr!! :rolleyes:

dwacox

02-14-2006, 03:02 PM

The settlement was confidential between the 2 parties.

Obviously not confidential enough since it seem mrr82 was privy to it (at least privy enough to it to state with absolute certainty that it was a nominal amount)

Kniteryder

02-14-2006, 03:06 PM

Obviously not confidential enough since it seem mrr82 was privy to it (at least privy enough to it to state with absolute certainty that it was a nominal amount)

Exactly...he has special access that no one is suppose to have, c'mon you know that...:rolleyes: lol

Mrr82

02-14-2006, 05:03 PM

Mrr82

02-14-2006, 11:04 PM

Even more obvious that you know nothing about steroids and how they are used currently in elite athletics. Stop pretending.

Dude just stop talking and making yourself look stupid....Your post has nothing to do with what i said and clearly don't understand at all. THERE WERE NO TIMES NEXT TO THE INITIALS. Monty's maybe, as he was under project world record where he was juicing up on everything. Marions just had doping dates on them.

king99

02-14-2006, 11:22 PM

I only read a bit of this and have to once again this year come out on Mrr side , even though he goes over the top as usual:D

Anyone who thinks Marion was clean? Start a poll?:D

Mrr82

02-14-2006, 11:23 PM

King you going to USA indoors?

king99

02-15-2006, 08:05 AM

I should know, but when and where? Boston? right?

Mrr82

02-15-2006, 08:28 PM

Whether she took drugs in middle school which i NEVER SAID, or highschool which i DID say, is irrelevent to if she took drugs as a pro track athlete which she most definately did.

trojanrunna

02-15-2006, 10:20 PM

Mrr, you are horribly misguided about the amount of money HS kids have. Driving around in a brand new car is one thing, steroids is another. Parents are a whole lot more likely to buy their kid a car than steroids, and wtf? What girls take steroids to look better? I can't say I'd be impressed by a girl that could bench 4x as much as I can, and I can't say I'd be impressed by facial hair. There may be roids that don't do that, but if you think that middle school girls, particularly the middle school girls that are crazy enough to take steroids, will know that, you are giving them way too much credit.

Mrr82

02-16-2006, 01:40 AM

Some of you guys are idiots....takign steroids doens't make you bench 4 times the amount....especially if you don't do any bench!

And i'm sorry but the facts are there are LOTS of rich kids out there. Same kids who's parents send them to the best sports schools spending up to 20k a year. I know a certain family who's dad bought his kids steroids to get strong, whom i won't mention or i'll get lashed out for saying as it's pretty touchy on here. Then you have kids who have allowences the size people like you and I can't even imagine. Just because you didn't get 100's a week for spending money doens't mean there aren't those people out there.

Then you have people who will help get drugs for people thinking they'll get a return out of it. There was a guy from California who got busted back in the mid 90's for providing steroids to HS football players in hopes they wuold become pros and then cut him a piece and he actually made some good money from the very few who did go pro.

I know kids who went to my college who did steroids just to get huge (not sports kids speaking meat heads only) and it's not that expensive if you have a part time job or your parents give you money.

I know people who spend more money on drinking a week then the steroid users use on steroids.

Then you have HS kids with jobs.....hello. If you can 15 hours a week and bring home 120 dollars you can afford steroids. What else you think these kids are spending their money on who can bench 450 pounds in hs?

Or girls with muscles ripped out of their bodies. One in particular who ran extremely fast in the short sprint in HS a few years ago who i know for a fact took steroids as i know someone who got them from the same person. You would be surprised what informaiton is out there. If you nkow someone who takes steroids, that person knows about 30 people who take steroids. They have their own little chain of who's who because they all buy from eachother.

Unbelievably clueless some of you are......And guess what. Most people who take steroids, also deal them from varying degrees. They get them from someone else, and then eventually after using them for awhile there friends ask them to get them some and then they start doing friendly deals. This is not hidden knowledge, i suggest some of you wake up.

YaRight

02-16-2006, 01:45 AM

[QUOTE=Mrr82]Some of you guys are idiots....takign steroids doens't make you bench 4 times the amount....especially if you don't do any bench!

Mrr82, its so easy for you to call others "idiots" but remember that alot of people on here think that you too are one. So when you are called names by others dont get too upset for you too, do the same thing.

Kniteryder

02-16-2006, 02:00 AM

[QUOTE=Kniteryder]Calendars, her initials with the marks 9.88, 9.86 and 9.79 next to her, so we are to believe that he was trying to make her run these times correct???[QUOTE]

No....the calander was for doping dates, not race dates with times. Those marks were not next to the Initials. Don't be retarded. If they were it would enver have even came up about her.

No Mrr..I recall the times associated with the MJ initials, which is why the validity of the accusation by the documents were in question. I don't believe it was that easy. Reports were that Her initials were by times, not dates. The dates corresponded with what time they wanted to achieve for "blank" athlete...but of course it didn't associate with her because those times would have been imposible for a woman.

Mrr82

02-16-2006, 11:35 PM

You know someone who knows claims to know someone who claims to know someone. Very reasonable...

Not at all what i said. I said i know someone who got his steroids from the same person as this girl did.

And again, it's called a job. Kids have them, kids make money, kids buy drugs, it happens all the time, and if some of you think people growing up in poor areas can't afford drugs you are wrong....maybe they cant' afford them off their allowance or lack there of, but anyone can work at the local fast food restaurant and make MORE then enough to be juiced up the wazoo. I find it kinda humerous that some people are so blind to the fact that alot of these fast girls would take drugs,a nd not only guys juice on the HS level. I've seen some mad fast girls beat the crap out of another girl with a key between her knuckles....you thikn the same girl wouldn't buy steroids? Please. You underestimate what some people would do.

Mrr82

02-17-2006, 09:45 AM

The fact you said juiced up the wazoo makes you lose all credibility. I don't think you even know the mechanisms of the drugs you are talking about.

It's an expression...the fact that you couldn't understand that makes you lose all credibility. And the fact that you think needing to know the mechanisms of the drugs i am talking about has ANYTHING To do with anythign we've been discussing you need to take yourself elsewhere.

Mrr82

10-04-2007, 07:28 PM

fact.......

marion has never, ever tested dirty.......

until she does, legally, she's clean........make sense?

just because you don't like her doesn't mean she's guilty......

just because you don't like her doesn't mean she should be locked up......

she dumped cj and others because THEY lied to her.......not vice versa.....

the only thing she's ever been guilty of is having poor judgment regarding who she associated with.......that's all...... once she realized her mistakes, she did something about it to correct the situation......

Uh huh....

Fact, she's always been guilty

Fact It had nothing to do with me not liking her and everything to do with her being guilty

Fact CJ was telling the truth and she dumped him because she was a Drug Cheat and used him. How pathetic the whole situation was.

Fact she should and WILL be locked up for lying to the feds most likely

Fact the only thing she's guilty for is being a lying, cheating, stealing, munipulative (fill in your own word).

Fact For the love of the race should be banned from Dyestat!

Fact...i can't believe King actually agreed with me on this thread. Now i can't rub it in his face.... :(

Wizard

10-04-2007, 07:30 PM

Uh huh....

Fact, she's always been guilty

Fact It had nothing to do with me not liking her and everything to do with her being guilty

Fact CJ was telling the truth and she dumped him because she was a Drug Cheat and used him. How pathetic the whole situation was.

Fact she should and WILL be locked up for lying to the feds most likely

Fact the only thing she's guilty for is being a lying, cheating, stealing, munipulative (fill in your own word).

Fact For the love of the race should be banned from Dyestat!

Fact...i can't believe King actually agreed with me on this thread. Now i can't rub it in his face.... :(

Guess you and I had the same idea, huh?

Mrr82

10-04-2007, 07:30 PM

Guess you and I had the same idea, huh?

Yes i saw your post, it was hilarious reading track daddy's posts.....moments like this don't come every day!!

TrackDaddy

10-04-2007, 08:48 PM

Yes i saw your post, it was hilarious reading track daddy's posts.....moments like this don't come every day!!Exactly so enjoy it.

I'm not. :o :D

Mrr82

10-04-2007, 09:07 PM

Exactly so enjoy it.

I'm not. :o :D

Yea it's tough at some levels, i'm happy because she'll get what she deserves, not because i never liked her because i did. She used to be one of my favorites until i started believing she was a cheater. It hurts every time someone gets busted, but for me this bubble was burst a long time ago for Marion.

TrackDaddy

10-04-2007, 11:46 PM

Yea it's tough at some levels, i'm happy because she'll get what she deserves, not because i never liked her because i did. She used to be one of my favorites until i started believing she was a cheater. It hurts every time someone gets busted, but for me this bubble was burst a long time ago for Marion.What really gets me is that I don't believe she needed to cheat to win.

I mean she was picked as an alternate for the Oly games when she was still in hs...although she declined.

KevinM

10-05-2007, 09:08 AM

And Jerome Young ran 45.01 in HS. Calvin Harrison 45.25. Bryan Bronson 35.77. All were WAY ahead of the curve in HS and ended up with positives. You had to suspect that perhaps taking time off of track and playing women's basketball wasn't the secret to career revival, right?

Mrr82

10-05-2007, 08:51 PM

Like i said before, i have no doubt she was a drug cheat in HS. Those guys mentioned in the post above probably were as well. People are too nieve as to how many top athletes start cheating in HS.

By the way why did she decline? (I honestly don't know).

Mrr82

10-06-2007, 01:59 AM

and of course they post some articles about her skipping drug tests in highschool and having to hire one of the worlds best attourneys to get off....back in the day when USA track and field helped their athletes get away with cheating. Marion has always been a drug cheat since she was a young girl. Put her in a jail with carl lewis somewhere as two of the biggest disgraces to American Track and field.

king99

10-06-2007, 02:28 AM

Easy on King Carl yet, many NJ folks saw him run and jump and he jumped 25+ in HS, I do not know too may folks that suspected him of cheating back then.

Mrr82

10-06-2007, 12:19 PM

Easy on King Carl yet, many NJ folks saw him run and jump and he jumped 25+ in HS, I do not know too may folks that suspected him of cheating back then.

What does seeing him jump 25+ feet in hs have to do with someone being innocent? That's just more evidence that a cheater who would be banned for life if he was competing today, would have been a cheater earlier in his life.

king99

10-06-2007, 12:53 PM

mrr..I do not have a different standard for NJ guys..I just don;t think he cheated back then

Just my opnion. you do not have to agree, that would be too much to ask anyway, as we agreed on this, and BOTH were right!! hahaha

Mrr82

10-07-2007, 02:15 AM

It's not impossible that he was clean in HS....i just don't believe he ever was...but obviously there's no proof there...at least none known.

However Some people are foolish and believe he never cheated, mentioning how his drug positives were mild stimulants....same morons who thought Kelli white and her teamates all had narc.! Getting busted for the exact same thing as two of your teamates (talking about carl now) and claiming it was an unknown herbal substance is the dumbest thing ever.

It's crazy to read stuff liek this too....

"Dr Exum said there were more than 100 positive tests for US athletes who won 19 Olympic medals between 1988 and 2000, but many were allowed to keep competing."

Will we ever know who they all were? Was one a famous long sprinter?