5a 3200

[Bolinder34]

who will win? dont vote for yourself

[run4_69]

nick will win. take john off this poll cuz he isn't doing the 3200 as he is a sprinter now and therefore a real man

[Bolinder34]

that officially means John Mering is a PUSSY!!!!

a lot of peolpe hate us right now

[XC_runner69]

whoever the **** tries to stay with Sawyer is ****ed at state b/c hes a carzy **** and im pretty sure he has the 3200, but im not sure yet, b/c i just beat him and he didnt break 10 so im pretty sure he didnt even try. thanks to me John ur little ass doesnt have to do it again! u better get suckin down herr boy!!

[XC_runner69]

haha! and which one of u idiots voted for me? lol! all i can say is ill TRY for who ever said that!

[Bolinder34]

you ***got I cant believe you would vote for sawyer.

[XC_runner69]

well we all know when state comes around for some reason we never run our best in the 3200 at least and after what he did to us last year, i mean **** cause his ass was 200 meters ahead of me. But dont worry Nick im sure we'll all be up there.

[Bolinder34]

yea sawyer allways rises up to the occasion. it is gonna be fun. I just wish Mike was running. andI hope taylor is healthy enough to make a good push for it. this race could go many ways

[run4_69]

who voted for geoff???

[Bolinder34]

ahahahahahahhaa thats a good one. I think it was you john!!!

[RockyRegion]

Bolinder34, is that you Nick Bolinder? You need to chill out man. Razzing someone is okay, even slightly harrassing them but cut the language, obcenities.

Dyestat Rule #2:
"Keep Things Civil – No insults or name-calling and no overtly vulgar or sexual topics. Please don't use profanity, and no promotion of drugs, alcohol or illegal behavior. You don't have to behave like your grandmother, or even your parents are in the room, but your behavior should be decent enough that a coach on a bus would be fine overhearing or at least ignoring you."

[RockyRegion]

My vote is for Denson.

[Bolinder34]

I am sorry. The talking between me and taylor is just playfull banter. we are friends and we talk to eachother often. I am sorry for offending people

[run4_69]

u better be sorry!!!!!!!!!!!:( :( :( :(

[XC_runner69]

ne changes to ur decision now that its said that Huey and Bosch both MIGHT have mono, and may not be 100% come state or even district? Hopefully they're better by then cause we need a good state race! what kinda race is it w/o Sawyer Bosch? the biggest gangsta/pimp on the planet?? and Cross Country Champion!! :confused:

[run4_69]

yeah without sawyer state just wouldn't be state!

[Bolinder34]

well I think that the race is going to be a race that will be very empty without the usual faces... I am sad

[rustytf2]

lol. have they been kissing eachother?

[Bolinder34]

lol. have they been kissing eachother?


thats not something I wanna think about!!!!

[XC_runner69]

come one guys, a threesome between bosch,frisbee, and huey...we all know u guys would love that!! haha jk! hopefully they're better by district!!

[Bolinder34]

come one guys, a threesome between bosch,frisbee, and huey...we all know u guys would love that!! haha jk! hopefully they're better by district!!


your sick just plain sick....

who would think of that?

[rustytf2]

lol. ya know, my first remark was just supposed to stay at that.

[hawaiianfiveoh]

he wouldnt have won state xc if armon was healthy. and I dont think anyone will beat him in the 32.

[RockyRegion]

I don't know, is guessing 4 boise runners in the top 6 out of the question?

[search&destroy]

i didnt know idaho, had good runners.

[XC_runner69]

haha! who said Idaho had good runners? we have OK runners. Compare us to any other state and we're not so good, mainly from lack of runners. Ne ways, im pretty sure Sawyer Bosch wouldve won state even if mike was there, he KILLED everyone that last mile and im sure mike woulda been there but Sawyer is STRONG in XC!

[rustytf2]

haha! who said Idaho had good runners? we have OK runners. Compare us to any other state and we're not so good, mainly from lack of runners. Ne ways, im pretty sure Sawyer Bosch wouldve won state even if mike was there, he KILLED everyone that last mile and im sure mike woulda been there but Sawyer is STRONG in XC!
he KILLED everyone in the last mile? more like the last 150m...

[Bolinder34]

Yea Bryant and I werent close enough to tell.....

[RockyRegion]

I voted for Denson so I am pleased he did so well, wow guys, top 4 under 10:10..I think this should show just how good your crew is and how ignorant the NTN committee really was. You guys are light years ahead of most of those other teams depth.

Good job Boise! Go get'em today in the finals.

[search&destroy]

will the state winnign time be sub 9:30?

[RockyRegion]

I don't know, is guessing 4 boise runners in the top 6 out of the question?

Did I predict this or what?

[johnNMFN]

Washington observers are interested in the 3200 5a outcome. What were the times and places, in order of finish, top 8?

[XC_runner69]

which washington observers would that be? Ne ways, sry Taylor, he KILLED everyone but you in the last mile, thats the last time i saw him was in the mile...ne ways, yes NTN SUCKS!!

[johnNMFN]

People who are interested in track ... track nuts who care about HS track on a regional level!

[run4_69]

3,200 — 1. Nick Bolinder, Boise, 9:37.16. 2. Bryant Denson, Boise, 9:50.9; 3. Ryan Saunders, Capital, 9:52.81; 4. Sawyer Bosch, Borah, 9:55.19; 5. Geoffrey Williams, Boise, 10:05.83; 6. Alex Pogue, Mtn View, 10:07.8; 7. Derrek Gunn, Mtn View, 10:08.04; 8. Royce Hyland, Boise, 10:09.58.

[rustytf2]

3,200 — 1. Nick Bolinder, Boise, 9:37.16. 2. Bryant Denson, Boise, 9:50.9; 3. Ryan Saunders, Capital, 9:52.81; 4. Sawyer Bosch, Borah, 9:55.19; 5. Geoffrey Williams, Boise, 10:05.83; 6. Alex Pogue, Mtn View, 10:07.8; 7. Derrek Gunn, Mtn View, 10:08.04; 8. Royce Hyland, Boise, 10:09.58.
it's nice to see sawyer slowly gettin back into motion...maybe he can still do well at state

[rustytf2]

which washington observers would that be? Ne ways, sry Taylor, he KILLED everyone but you in the last mile, thats the last time i saw him was in the mile...ne ways, yes NTN SUCKS!!
no huey was with us till the bottom of the hill or somewehre around there

[watchout]

which washington observers would that be? Ne ways, sry Taylor, he KILLED everyone but you in the last mile, thats the last time i saw him was in the mile...ne ways, yes NTN SUCKS!!

umm, NTN teams have 4-12 guys as fast, or faster, than your #3 from this race. And usually one or two faster than your #1.

So maybe NTN didn't overlook you :)

Just be happy you aren't in Eastern Washington.

4A GSL League Championships (kickers race):
3200 1 Dylan Hatcher-11 Mead 09:30.82
3200 2 Steven Olsen-11 Ferris 09:31.67
3200 3 Taylor Nepon-11 Mead 09:32.80
3200 4 Steven Gimpel-12 Mead 09:32.86
3200 5 Kelly Lynch-10 Mead 09:32.93
3200 6 Brian Plamer-12 Mead 09:34.15
3200 7 Sean Coyle-11 Central Valley 09:39.83
3200 8 Kelvin Daratha-11 Mead 09:41.85

Hatcher, Olsen, Nepon, Gimpel have all run sub-9:24 before.

The only PR in there is Palmer...

[yellow_xc]

well, i think alex gould is gonna win, because i'm in the MVFC

[XC_runner69]

NTN=sehr gay!!Thats all i gotta say about that!

[Bolinder34]

Track and xc are two very different things.

I know guys that are way better than some in xc but you get into track and they are slow!!!! and some slow xc guys are fast as he!! in track!!!

[rustytf2]

to the boise kids:
please don't be offended when i say this. you are all great runners and among the best in our region... you guys were probably on the bubble of the teams getting in or not. but open your eyes! there are so many teams just like yours in our region. love, taylor :p

[watchout]

Track and xc are two very different things.

I know guys that are way better than some in xc but you get into track and they are slow!!!! and some slow xc guys are fast as he!! in track!!!

very true. just look at Rock Springs, WY :)

[Bolinder34]

I wasnt saying that we got jibt. we probobly would have made had a couple of different things happened. lets say we place better at Bob Firman, we dont have a horrible race the first race of the season adn lose to Bishop Kelly then we are probobly in!!! also when mead lost to ferris at state that didnt help at all. so if a couple of things happen differently we are Golden!!!

I was just saying in my earlier post that you cant use track times to look at the xc team. sure you might be able to see the potential but you cant judge the productivity on the xc course from the track. thats just the way it is!

so yes we know we are not the sh!t but we had a lot of fun this season and we fell just one step short of our goal.

[MVHIGHLIFE]

Idaho has had many great runners in cross country who just have not excelled in track:
Ulhman, 3X state champion, 12th at Kinney (Footlocker) Did he ever doing anything great in track?

Herman, 3X state champion, 6th at Footlocker, never did anything great in track, pretty mediocre
They have also had a lot of great track runners who have bombed in cross country, ie: Spencer Hill

Rankings should take into account track, but not be based soley upon them. If they were, Boise should have beat Mountain View, Ut, but they did not.

Over hill and dale is a totally different ball game.

[Bolinder34]

Idaho has had many great runners in cross country who just have not excelled in track:
Ulhman, 3X state champion, 12th at Kinney (Footlocker) Did he ever doing anything great in track?

Herman, 3X state champion, 6th at Footlocker, never did anything great in track, pretty mediocre
They have also had a lot of great track runners who have bombed in cross country, ie: Spencer Hill

Rankings should take into account track, but not be based soley upon them. If they were, Boise should have beat Mountain View, Ut, but they did not.

Over hill and dale is a totally different ball game.

Thank you for backing me up!!! FINALLY

[rustytf2]

lol i completely agree with track and xc being 2 dif things as well.... doesnt everyone? still...running is running. in highschool our distance events only go from 800m to 5k so there isnt a huge gap...such as 800-marathon

[Bolinder34]

I am not trying to down on anyone here but look at the difference in dominance johm mering has in Track over xc. in xc he was top 10 at state but in track he is killing everyone!!! I think different body types and different attitudes make a difference.

[runbob]

Idaho has had many great runners in cross country who just have not excelled in track:
Ulhman, 3X state champion, 12th at Kinney (Footlocker) Did he ever doing anything great in track?

Herman, 3X state champion, 6th at Footlocker, never did anything great in track, pretty mediocre
They have also had a lot of great track runners who have bombed in cross country, ie: Spencer Hill

Rankings should take into account track, but not be based soley upon them. If they were, Boise should have beat Mountain View, Ut, but they did not.

Over hill and dale is a totally different ball game.

Actually Billy had a very good career at Northern Arizona and even ran in the 2000 and 2004 Olympic Trials in the Steeplechase. His best time was around 8:24 I think.

Jason unfortunately didn't do very well post high school.

Spencer Hill had a very good career at Idaho State winning several Big Sky Championships indoors and out and always ran well in cross but was never outstanding. He never really 'bombed'!

Don't forget, Forest Braden, has done very well at both sports, he was a Footlocker finalist ran 9:15 and 4:18 at tiny Bonners Ferry in high school, he's run 13:45 twice at Boise State and been a NCAA qualifier in cross, indoors and outdoors.

It's always going to be difficult to predict anyone's performance at one distance or another or one sport or another. Generally the better someone runs in the spring the better they might do the next Fall. But that's generally. It's been my experience that what goes on in the summer preparing for cross that's the best predictor just as what goes on in the winter is the best predictor of the spring. I have had many runners that had what would be considered 'bad' cross country seasons dedicate themselves in the winter and go out and surprise everyone. I've also had guys with great cross seasons not do the necessary work in the winter go out and stink it up.

It all comes down to consistency and effort. The great ones are great because they consistently put in the effort day in and day out regardless of the season or the distance.

[watchout]

I wasnt saying that we got jibt. we probobly would have made had a couple of different things happened. lets say we place better at Bob Firman, we dont have a horrible race the first race of the season adn lose to Bishop Kelly then we are probobly in!!! also when mead lost to ferris at state that didnt help at all. so if a couple of things happen differently we are Golden!!!

I was just saying in my earlier post that you cant use track times to look at the xc team. sure you might be able to see the potential but you cant judge the productivity on the xc course from the track. thats just the way it is!

so yes we know we are not the sh!t but we had a lot of fun this season and we fell just one step short of our goal.

I wasn't trying to put you guys down or anything, and I realized YOU weren't raggin on NTN or saying you got jipped.

My post was directed towards your teamates who WERE saying they got jipped, because they had several guys under 10:10.

Well, 10:10 isn't all that great... but it is good when you have 5 guys under that. But that is FAR from saying that you deserved to go to NTN more than someone else that made it, simply because you had 5 guys run sub 10:10.

My Mead post was trying to show that 10:10 isn't that special when looking at what the top NTN teams are doing. My Rock Springs post was to show that, you are right - Cross Country and Track are two very different seasons, and just because you were good at one doesn't neccisarily mean you are going to be good at the other ... and Rock Springs often gets ragged on because their guys only run 9:50-10:15, so that's why I used them as an example.

As for what could have been if the season went differently ... I don't know if the Tiger Grizz invite really hurt all that much, since it was low-key and very early, but Bob Firman was where you guys lost out. If you guys had beaten Rock Springs there, then I think there would be a lot of discussion about who to let in as the 2nd wildcard - you guys and Cin. LaSalle (although Palatine should have been ranked ahead of LaSalle to begin with). Without Bob Firman, Rock Springs wouldn't have made NTN. Had you guys been somewhat close to Mountain View, I think you guys would have had that last bid wrapped up and 4 NW teams would have gone again.

But, that was last season. Now is the time to focus on track!

[search&destroy]

admit it.. idaho sucks at running. boise got lucky with a few good runners. but they just didnt come trough..

i bet with the team they had this past fall... they maybe would have placed top 5 in washingtons 4A state meet. and i think WATCHOUT will get my back on this... since he knows soo much sh1t..

watchout=dyestat smart motha sucka

[hawaiianfiveoh]

I wouldnt say they suck...
They have had some great runners in XC

Great XC runners
Robin Card 1985 (15:16) 18th at Footlocker (kinney)
Jason Uhlman 1991 (15:39) 12th at Footlocker (kinney) 3X Idaho XC champ)
Billy Herman 1995 (15:27) 6th at Footlocker (3X Idaho XC champ)
Jed Barta 1998 (16:07) 17th at Footlocker
Forest Braden 2001 11th Footlocker West
Matt Knoff (3X Idaho XC champ) Just couldnt put it together in Footlocker West

I will post the great 800-1600-3200 runners shortly

[hawaiianfiveoh]

Great track runners

Marty Stroschein (1:52.74/4:15/9:08.93) 1985
Gene Betencourt (4:10.95) 1999 Pasco Invite record holder 4:12.5
Jed Barta (4:12.67/9:06.58) 1999 (good in XC and track)
Forest Braden (9:15.6/4:18.59) 2002
Tyson Teeples (1:52.47) 1997
Nick Symmonds (1:53.62/4:20.02) 2002
Jason Uhlman (4:18/9:19) nothing compared to what his footlocker counterparts were running
Spencer Hill (1:54, 9:17, 4:15) Won all 3 at state, beating Uhlman
Tony Smith (4:14.58) Pasco Invite winner & state XC champ
Ryun Carver (1:54/4:24/9:30) triple, probably most talented, never trained or ran xc

there are countless others, but these are the big ones, sorry if I missed someone.

[RockyRegion]

You forgot that Idaho is the home of the first ever National High School Girls Cross Country Champion, Ellen Lyons. Not to mention Dana Morgan who recently ran 4:56, Idaho is a very good running state. It is only now they are being noticed.

[search&destroy]

oh wow so you have a list of like 10 guys and 2 girls... im sure the washington list is ALOT BIGGER but its ok... keep practicing idaho, and maybe one day you will be an XC state

[hawaiianfiveoh]

Proportional to population size they are great. You cannot compare Idaho to california

By population alone,
California should have 33 times more athletes of Idahos best caliber (go to dyestat cal and look at the expanded state lists and you will see I am correct)
Washington 5 times more
Oregon 3 times more
Utah 2 times more

You get the point
If you are a semi intelligent person and you put together a database of runners and times, you will see that the laws of proportionality fit, and since I have, washington does have a bit over 50 great guys going back to the late 1950's, that is a 5 to 1 ratio, the exact same as the population ratio.

Hence, this is why they created state divisions also, proprotionality of students to athletes.

You just dont get it.

[search&destroy]

excuses excuses

[watchout]

admit it.. idaho sucks at running. boise got lucky with a few good runners. but they just didnt come trough..

i bet with the team they had this past fall... they maybe would have placed top 5 in washingtons 4A state meet. and i think WATCHOUT will get my back on this... since he knows soo much sh1t..

watchout=dyestat smart motha sucka

I don't remember if I had them just ahead of or just behind Tahoma. So they would have finished either 3rd or 4th.

[runbob]

Hawaiinfiveoh,

Arguing with search and destroy is like wrestling with a pig, you'll both get dirty but only the pig will enjoy it. search and destroy has his mind made up and confusing him with facts is simply to much for his limited capacity to grasp the obvious.

[search&destroy]

Hawaiinfiveoh,

Arguing with search and destroy is like wrestling with a pig, you'll both get dirty but only the pig will enjoy it. search and destroy has his mind made up and confusing him with facts is simply to much for his limited capacity to grasp the obvious.


you are a funny one arent you. i bet on or off the couse/track i can take both of you

[yellow_xc]

you are a funny one arent you. i bet on or off the couse/track i can take both of you

looks like he's gettin mad, whatever you're doing, keep on doing it!

[rustytf2]

i want to fist fight search and destroy. what the hell is your problem? can you beat those times? unless you can "search and destory" them than i would shut your mouth

[search&destroy]

you are asking me if i can beat those times, as if you can beat them your self...
but im sure that 2:01, 53sec, 4:34, and 15:55 5k .. will beat you..

[Bolinder34]

you are asking me if i can beat those times, as if you can beat them your self...
but im sure that 2:01, 53sec, 4:34, and 15:55 5k .. will beat you..


ahaha dude rtf has ran 4:22 he has broken 2:00 ran a 52 or faster ran a 9:20 something (under 9:25) for the 3200 and he has also ran Under 15:40!!!! so yes he can beat them you stupid F@%K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[search&destroy]

and did he run those as a junior? cause thats when i ran my times. senior year i had a stress fracture.

and when your team finishes 9th at NTN get back to me.

[runbob]

excuses, excuses

[Bolinder34]

and did he run those as a junior? cause thats when i ran my times. senior year i had a stress fracture.

and when your team finishes 9th at NTN get back to me.


hahah as a JUNIOR!!!??? he ran them as a Sophomore Biatch!!!

[hhsxc]

hahah as a JUNIOR!!!??? he ran them as a Sophomore Biatch!!!

Damn. I think the conversation has pretty well ended.

[XC_runner69]

haha! excuses...sounds familiar!!! PUSSY!

[search&destroy]

hahaha this sh1t is funny. and its not over, i just dont spend all my time on this like you probably do.

[Bolinder34]

pwned

[relativity]

and did he run those as a junior? cause thats when i ran my times. senior year i had a stress fracture.

and when your team finishes 9th at NTN get back to me.

when you were running your 434 as a junior, rusty was busy running 4:32 as a freshman.

[BornAgainXC]

hahaha this search&destroy kid is funny, he thinks he is good lol! 2:01 wouldnt have put him on the podium at state, nor would his 4:34 or his 53, what a stupid f***....

[run4_69]

amen! on my team we run through our stress fractures cuz we're not pussies:D

[watchout]

amen! on my team we run through our stress fractures cuz we're not pussies:D

mine too. but I wish I didn't ... would have saved me 3 seasons of disappointment.

[runbob]

senior year i had a stress fracture.

search and destroy where are you now? I guess your new name should be tuck and run!!

[XC_runner69]

hehe

[search&destroy]

hahahaha
this **** is funny. and i could careless if i suck at running. i still think idaho sucks.

[Bolinder34]

hahahaha
this **** is funny. and i could careless if i suck at running. i still think idaho sucks.


you thou8ght you were hot $hit in your first few comments untill you realised that all the people that post from Idaho are faster than you!!!

you got PWNED