3200m Fast Heat

[phrisbee]

What time do you think it will take to make the fast heat?

As a runner from Stevenson that is now switched into the Antioch/Grayslake Sectional... I feel that the two milers up here may be getting short-changed. I mean, granted the Palatine Sectional had the potential to pull us out too fast, but from the looks of it there are only 3 guys that have a realistic shot at state cut up here and only one has actually gone under already.

I think it will take a 9:30 to make the fast heat.

[BeastfromtheEast]

at palatine I think it will be 9:34.7 to get in the fast heat.

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[fasterwithhurdles]

at palatine I think it will be 9:34.7 to get in the fast heat.

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i think he's talking about the state-meet.

[dirtlegged]

i think he's talking about the state-meet.


yeah but what i think he meant was the fast heat at state will definitely be way faster than the palatine fast heat cutoff of 934, prolly closer to 925-927 im guessing

[phrisbee]

yeah but what i think he meant was the fast heat at state will definitely be way faster than the palatine fast heat cutoff of 934, prolly closer to 925-927 im guessing
What I meant was, just qualifying in my sectional ain't gonna put me in the fast heat.

[MDRunner400]

at palatine I think it will be 9:34.7 to get in the fast heat.

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haha maybe sagar patel will get in....

[Swoosh13]

at palatine I think it will be 9:34.7 to get in the fast heat.

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wow. i bet Grayslake will be like 10:20 lol

[spot]

wow. i bet Grayslake will be like 10:20 lol
Maybe slower......

[ehof]

i bet Grayslake will be like 10:20 lol
I bet Thornridge will be 11:20.

[phrisbee]

So the question still stands:

What will it take to make the fast heat at state?

[ehof]

So the question still stands:

What will it take to make the fast heat at state?
9:34.24

[dirtlegged]

So the question still stands:

What will it take to make the fast heat at state?

sub 930 i say

[Swoosh13]

depends largely on how many make it. Last year since there was a ton of people overall there was a ton in the fast heat. I'm gonna say 9:31

[EternalFreshman]

sub 930 i say

since I guess I'm part of the reason this thread was created, I'll share what my mindset is in the situation presented.
I think that in order to guarantee being in the fast heat you need to run a 9:25...that's the slowest time that you truly feel completely safe with in my opinion. Anywhere from 9:25-9:30 you're cutting it close and anything above 9:30 you need to start praying for a slow Palatine race.

Just remember everyone how packed that fast heat was last year (wasn't it 26 guys?)....a lot of people will make it in that aren't from the Palatine sectional

[zoominvon1]

This could be one of the fastest sectional qualifying years we have seen lately....the weather should be great!

In terms of the 3200, I think we are looking between 9:26- 9:28 to make it to the fast heat at State...Palatine Sectional alone should bring in 12. That would be the fastest sectional qualifier since 1980....

Note: I made the state meet in the 3200 in 1980....I ran 9:24 at sectionals...cut off for the fast heat was 9:23!

[phrisbee]

New question: How many people in the fast heat?

[Tall-n-Thin]

I think last year they had somewhere around 25.

[Track and Field]

New question: How many people in the fast heat?

Depends on how many qualify.

Last year 28 made the fast heat, two scratched and one DNF. Total field was 55. 27 in slower qualifiers heat

[Swoosh13]

wow. i bet Grayslake will be like 10:20 lol

actually the last one in the fast heat is at 10:32. There is someone from Waukegan at 9:28 that idk.

[Tall-n-Thin]

I looked at the heat at the palatine sectional and it looks like the whole fast heat has a chance to qualify. What about the other heats of the 3200 can anyone from there have a chance to hit the quailfying time?

[TopGun]

This could be one of the fastest sectional qualifying years we have seen lately....the weather should be great!

In terms of the 3200, I think we are looking between 9:26- 9:28 to make it to the fast heat at State...Palatine Sectional alone should bring in 12. That would be the fastest sectional qualifier since 1980....

Note: I made the state meet in the 3200 in 1980....I ran 9:24 at sectionals...cut off for the fast heat was 9:23!

How did you do the next week at the State Meet? Were the State 3200 meter times as fast as the Sectional times in 1980.

Whatever happened to Matt Nolan from Naperville Central who went sub-9 to win the State title in 1980?

There are only about 20 AA runners who have run under 9:35 so far this year, and a few of them won't compete in the 3200 at Sectionals. I would be very surprised if a 9:30 Sectional time doesn't get you into the fast 3200 heat at the State Meet.

[Swoosh13]

There are only about 20 AA runners who have run under 9:35 so far this year.

False

[zoominvon1]

How did you do the next week at the State Meet? Were the State 3200 meter times as fast as the Sectional times in 1980.

Whatever happened to Matt Nolan from Naperville Central who went sub-9 to win the State title in 1980?

There are only about 20 AA runners who have run under 9:35 so far this year, and a few of them won't compete in the 3200 at Sectionals. I would be very surprised if a 9:30 Sectional time doesn't get you into the fast 3200 heat at the State Meet.


So So at state ran about 9:28...winning time in the slow section was 9:16 by Nick Whiteside...that did not place....8th place was 9:10...very fast year.

Matt Nolan went to Auburn University...transferred after his freshman year to North Central College....was an all american there....(i ran with Matt at North Central)...I think he ran around 3:46-7 for 1500....

[TopGun]

False

Then who is missing from the IPTT 5/8 list?

ILLINOIS PREP TOP TIMES
IHSA CLASS AA BOYS TRACK & FIELD LEADERBOARD
(Last Updated with any results received as of 5/8/06)

3200 Meter Run

1. 8.57-Evan Jager
2. 9.02-Eric Dettman
3. 9.02-Jacob Nachel
4. 9.03-Steve Finley
5. 9.12-Matt Dettman
6. 9.17-Dan Chenoweth
7. 9.18-Matt DeSilva
8. 9.19-Michael McDonnell
9. 9.21-Ryan Craven
10. 9.23-David Montgomery
11. 9.24-Mark Battista
12. 9.26-Ryan Jacobs
13. 9.27-Nick Farina
14. 9.27-Bruce MacTaggart
15. 9.29-Dan Bailey
16. 9.29-Glenn Morris
17. 9.29-Noble Schermerhorn
18. 9.30-Tom Achtien
19. 9.30-David Grange
20. 9.31-Jeff Schermer
21. 9.33-Robbie Eckhart
22. 9.34-TR Pursell

[ggpal]

Sean Carlson Buffalo Grove 9:27.44
Sagar Patel Palatine 9:34.94
Josh Tomek Barrington 9:24.54
Jon Roberts Schaumburg 9:32.74
Mike Spain Schaumburg 9:21.94
Bill Wisser Hersey 9:32.3

At least 6 from the Palatine sectional alone.

[TayXcTrk]

Then who is missing from the IPTT 5/8 list?

Escareno

[bobbles]

actually the last one in the fast heat is at 10:32. There is someone from Waukegan at 9:28 that idk.

Yeah he was seeded as that for County I think....I think his mile seed time was like a 5:40 for that.

[Swoosh13]

Yeah he was seeded as that for County I think....I think his mile seed time was like a 5:40 for that.

So its not legit then?? NOTE TO COACH: When lying about seeds don't make a 2 mile pace faster than his best mile and make them the #1 seed in the sectional

[spot]

So its not legit then?? NOTE TO COACH: When lying about seeds don't make a 2 mile pace faster than his best mile and make them the #1 seed in the sectional
I think it was just an accident at county, because the kid never ran. As far as I know he isnt seeded anywhere near that at sectionals.

[phrisbee]

I think it was just an accident at county, because the kid never ran. As far as I know he isnt seeded anywhere near that at sectionals.
He is. He's seeded at 9:28 once again.

What the **** is with that? Did he run only 7 laps to get that?

That still wouldn't make sense with a seed time of 5:37 in the mile. Though no one at the back of this fast heat is making state, I still think it's bull**** that that kid is in over someone else.

[gonerunning]

Then who is missing from the IPTT 5/8 list?

ILLINOIS PREP TOP TIMES
IHSA CLASS AA BOYS TRACK & FIELD LEADERBOARD
(Last Updated with any results received as of 5/8/06)

3200 Meter Run

1. 8.57-Evan Jager
2. 9.02-Eric Dettman
3. 9.02-Jacob Nachel
4. 9.03-Steve Finley
5. 9.12-Matt Dettman
6. 9.17-Dan Chenoweth
7. 9.18-Matt DeSilva
8. 9.19-Michael McDonnell
9. 9.21-Ryan Craven
10. 9.23-David Montgomery
11. 9.24-Mark Battista
12. 9.26-Ryan Jacobs
13. 9.27-Nick Farina
14. 9.27-Bruce MacTaggart
15. 9.29-Dan Bailey
16. 9.29-Glenn Morris
17. 9.29-Noble Schermerhorn
18. 9.30-Tom Achtien
19. 9.30-David Grange
20. 9.31-Jeff Schermer
21. 9.33-Robbie Eckhart
22. 9.34-TR Pursell
havel is also missing

[Swoosh13]

He is. He's seeded at 9:28 once again.

What the **** is with that? Did he run only 7 laps to get that?

That still wouldn't make sense with a seed time of 5:37 in the mile. Though no one at the back of this fast heat is making state, I still think it's bull**** that that kid is in over someone else.

At a 5:37 mile ur looking at about an 11:50 2 mile. So for 7 laps that would be about a 10:25. He must have stopped at 2500m lol. I found it intersesting that they made the cut at a decimal so some people running the same time were in the fast heat and some in the slow heat.

[roller coaster]

He is. He's seeded at 9:28 once again.

What the **** is with that? Did he run only 7 laps to get that?

That still wouldn't make sense with a seed time of 5:37 in the mile. Though no one at the back of this fast heat is making state, I still think it's bull**** that that kid is in over someone else.

Coaches at the seeding meeting could have challenged that time and required the coach to present proof of the time.

[Zoso]

Who made the fast heat...

1 Evan Jager 9:07
2 Eric Dettman 9:13
3 Kevin Havel 9:13
4 David Montgomery 9:15
5 Dan Chenoweth 9:16
6 Matt DeSilva 9:17
7 Ryan Jacobs 9:18
8 Jacob Nachel 9:22
9 Christian Escareno 9:22
10 Ryan Craven 9:22
11 Dave Grange 9:23
12 Michael McDonnell 9:23
13 Chris Derrick 9:24
14 Mike Spain 9:24
15 Mark Battista 9:24
16 Jakub Kolacz 9:27
17 Kyle Brady 9:28
18 Josh Tomek 9:28
19 Sean Carlson 9:29
20 Josh Stein 9:29
21 Noble Schermerhorn 9:30
22 Bo Ford 9:31
23 Dan Bailey 9:31
24 Sagar Patel 9:32
25 Ryan Hoklas 9:33
26 Kyle Kirchner 9:34
27 Ryan Weber 9:37
28 Ben Bouman 9:39
29 Josh Wakeman 9:41

[runner52]

Not sure where you are coming up with the fast heat. Last year 55 guys made the 3200. 28 went to the fast heat, 27 to the slow heat. without the Peoria results, 42 guys have qualified in the 3200 this year.

[phrisbee]

Guessing the cut-offs gonna be int hat 9:33/25 guy range.

[daman]

So its not legit then?? NOTE TO COACH: When lying about seeds don't make a 2 mile pace faster than his best mile and make them the #1 seed in the sectional
What happened to the guy with the bogus 3200 seed time?

[runner52]

44 in the AA 3200 this year, according to Sectional Results. 2004 there were 43 guys - 22 made the fast heat.

According to IHSA heat winners automatically go to fast heat and then the other top qualifiers will be placed in the heat in front of the top qualifier. Not sure about all of this - Christian won his heat last year and was in slow heat.....Anyone know how they split the heats?

Heat winners -
9.07 Jager
9.13 Dettman
9.16 Chenoweth
9.17 DeSilva
9.21 Nachel
9.23 Grange
9.24 Battista
9.30 Schmerher
9.35 Purcell
9.37 Weber
9.41 Wakeman
9.46 Eickmeire
9.50 Blaauw
9.56 Teren
10.01 Kuntz
10.04 Schirner

What heats will they get into?
9.13 Havel
9.15 Montgomery
9.18 Jacobs
9.22 Escareno
9.22 Craven
9.23 McDonnell
9.24 Spain
9.24 Derrick
9.27 Kolacz
9.28 Tumek
9.28 Brady
9.29 Carlson
9.29 Stein
9.31 Ford
9.31 Bailey
9.32 Patel
9.33 Hoklas
9.34 Kirchner
9.39 Bouwman
9.39 Brooks
9.44 Eckhardt
9.50 Whildin
9.53 Tolando
9.59 Guzman
10.07 Mumford
10.07 Cunningham
10.08 Tessling
10.11 Lavin

[EternalFreshman]

44 in the AA 3200 this year, according to Sectional Results. 2004 there were 43 guys - 22 made the fast heat.

According to IHSA heat winners automatically go to fast heat and then the other top qualifiers will be placed in the heat in front of the top qualifier.

Heat winners -
9.07 Jager
9.13 Dettman
9.16 Chenoweth
9.17 DeSilva
9.21 Nachel
9.23 Grange
9.24 Battista
9.30 Schmerher
9.35 Purcell
9.37 Weber
9.41 Wakeman
9.46 Eickmeire
9.50 Blaauw
9.56 Teren
10.01 Kuntz
10.04 Schirner

What heats will they get into?
9.13 Havel
9.15 Montgomery
9.18 Jacobs
9.22 Escareno
9.22 Craven
9.23 McDonnell
9.24 Spain
9.24 Derrick
9.27 Kolacz
9.28 Tumek
9.28 Brady
9.29 Carlson
9.29 Stein
9.31 Ford
9.31 Bailey
9.32 Patel
9.33 Hoklas
9.34 Kirchner
9.39 Bouwman
9.39 Brooks
9.44 Eckhardt
9.50 Whildin
9.53 Tolando
9.59 Guzman
10.07 Mumford
10.07 Cunningham
10.08 Tessling
10.11 Lavin
by taking 22 (or 23 guys) from this list....that means that a 10:04 runner will be in the fast heat while a 9:24 guy will be in the slow heat. This all makes sense now!

[runner52]

yeah look at the history, it is weird.

[roller coaster]

44 in the AA 3200 this year, according to Sectional Results. 2004 there were 43 guys - 22 made the fast heat.

According to IHSA heat winners automatically go to fast heat and then the other top qualifiers will be placed in the heat in front of the top qualifier. Not sure about all of this - Christian won his heat last year and was in slow heat.....Anyone know how they split the heats?

Heat winners -
9.07 Jager
9.13 Dettman
9.16 Chenoweth
9.17 DeSilva
9.21 Nachel
9.23 Grange
9.24 Battista
9.30 Schmerher
9.35 Purcell
9.37 Weber
9.41 Wakeman
9.46 Eickmeire
9.50 Blaauw
9.56 Teren
10.01 Kuntz
10.04 Schirner

What heats will they get into?
9.13 Havel
9.15 Montgomery
9.18 Jacobs
9.22 Escareno
9.22 Craven
9.23 McDonnell
9.24 Spain
9.24 Derrick
9.27 Kolacz
9.28 Tumek
9.28 Brady
9.29 Carlson
9.29 Stein
9.31 Ford
9.31 Bailey
9.32 Patel
9.33 Hoklas
9.34 Kirchner
9.39 Bouwman
9.39 Brooks
9.44 Eckhardt
9.50 Whildin
9.53 Tolando
9.59 Guzman
10.07 Mumford
10.07 Cunningham
10.08 Tessling
10.11 Lavin

They didn't do it this way last year. Jake Bruene (TF South) and John Walter (Marian Catholic) went 1-2 in the Thornridge Sectional and both were in the slow heat of the 3200 at state. I think they take the top half or so and put them in the fast heat. I never remember them having sectional winners automatically go to the fast heat at state, that's why guys that are on the cusp have to run hard at sectionals.

[ehof]

Rollercoaster, you are right. It is a time based cutoff only.

[Zoso]

by taking 22 (or 23 guys) from this list....that means that a 10:04 runner will be in the fast heat while a 9:24 guy will be in the slow heat. This all makes sense now!

Are you just bitter because you want to win the slow heat at state?

Haha, jk.

[runner52]

Ok, so then could it be an even split of the 46 runners like this:

Fast Heat
9.07 Jager
9.13 Dettman
9.13 Havel
9.15 Montgomery
9.16 Chenoweth
9.17 DeSilva
9.18 Jacobs
9.21 Nachel
9.22 Escareno
9.22 Craven
9.23 McDonnell
9.23 Grange
9.24 Spain
9.24 Derrick
9.24 Battista
9.27 Kolacz
9.28 Tumek
9.28 Brady
9.29 Carlson
9.29 Stein
9.30 Schmerher
9.31 Ford
9.31 Bailey

Slow Heat
9.32 Patel
9.32 Roberts
9.32 Wisser
9.33 Hoklas
9.34 Kirchner
9.35 Purcell
9.37 Weber
9.39 Bouwman
9.39 Brooks
9.41 Wakeman
9.44 Eckhardt
9.46 Eickmeire
9.50 Blaauw
9.50 Whildin
9.53 Tolando
9.56 Teren
9.59 Guzman
10.01 Kuntz
10.04 Schirner
10.07 Mumford
10.07 Cunningham
10.08 Tessling
10.11 Lavin

[b-]

Ok, so then could it be an even split of the 44 runners like this:

You're missing two of the runners from the Palatine Sectional (http://go.ihsa.org/reports/trb35959.htm) (check the manager's note). Both Roberts and Wisser were under the Q time at 9:32.5 and 9:32.9. That makes 46, so splitting it evenly lands at Bailey.

[runner52]

You're missing two of the runners from the Palatine Sectional (http://go.ihsa.org/reports/trb35959.htm) (check the manager's note). Both Roberts and Wisser were under the Q time at 9:32.5 and 9:32.9. That makes 46, so splitting it evenly lands at Bailey.

Thanks, i fixed the list