Daniel Komen(s)

[alan_webb_goldnbeijing]

Okay, since there are now two Daniel Komens in the world of elite track and field, we need to come up with a universal way to tell one from the other in writing. This thread has been created to deal with that issue.

I've seen the DKK method used, which is good, but I still cannot tell which Daniel Komen that is and which time he ran. So to get everything straight and correct any misconstrutities let's debate and discuss possible names/nicknames/words to label these to athletes.

[New Potato Caboose]

Given whatever context one of the Daniel Komens is put into I don't think it's too big a problem as only one is currently competing and only one so far is mildly legendary

[ehof]

Given whatever context one of the Daniel Komens is put into I don't think it's too big a problem as only one is currently competing and only one so far is mildly legendary
the current one is ranked number one in the world in the mile.

[sharp.distance.]

There is an easy way to tell the difference

Daniel Komen > Daniel K. Komen

[Sully 800]

Yeah the one with the K is competing now. Everything is now cleared up.

[Hall_@ss1088]

Given whatever context one of the Daniel Komens is put into I don't think it's too big a problem as only one is currently competing and only one so far is mildly legendary
Mildly legendary? He wass an enigma...accomplishing one of the hardest WRs by far...a WR that has eluded the best of the best.

[Ranger wayne]

little komen and 7:20.

[Shen Rules]

just preface it with the older or the younger.... doesn't seem so hard to me.

[jacksparrow34313]

There's no need for prefaces if everybody knows the difference:

Daniel Kipchirchir Komen is currently competing for Kenya, he is ranked #1 in the world in 1500, and will be referred to either by the aforementioned name, Daniel K. Komen, or DKK.

Daniel Komen competed for Kenya in the mid-late 1990s. He was Geb's biggest rival in the 5000 meters, holding the world record several times, including a 12:39 slightly slower than Geb's fastest time. He also set the world record of 7:58 in the 2 mile, which nobody has come close to. He will be referred to as Daniel Komen.

[TCtheJUMPER/RUNNER]

that 7:20 is soooo fast! Even Bekele hasnt really come close!

[Achilles]

There's no need for prefaces if everybody knows the difference:

Daniel Kipchirchir Komen is currently competing for Kenya, he is ranked #1 in the world in 1500, and will be referred to either by the aforementioned name, Daniel K. Komen, or DKK.

Daniel Komen competed for Kenya in the mid-late 1990s. He was Geb's biggest rival in the 5000 meters, holding the world record several times, including a 12:39 slightly slower than Geb's fastest time. He also set the world record of 7:58 in the 2 mile, which nobody has come close to. He will be referred to as Daniel Komen.

Gebs ONLY comp in the 5k, 3k, 2 mile, etc

[Beans]

Gebs ONLY comp in the 5k, 3k, 2 mile, etc


ONLY in the 5k...Geb couldnt hold a candle to Komen in anything 2 miles and below.

On Geb's best effort for 3k he ran 7:25...Komen's is not only 5 seconds faster, but his INDOOR 3k record (7:24) is still faster than Geb's fastest time OUTDOORS. How fast do you have to be to literally own someone as great as Geb?

[i run for fun]

ONLY in the 5k...Geb couldnt hold a candle to Komen in anything 2 miles and below.

Geb ran a 3:52 mile and a 8:01 2 mile.

[Shen Rules]

There's no need for prefaces if everybody knows the difference


Feel free to educate all people in America who may ever click to the Dyestat boards and read something about Daniel Komen...

Even all the people on the board right now aren't going to know the difference

[Jolly Farm]

Feel free to educate all people in America who may ever click to the Dyestat boards and read something about Daniel Komen...

Even all the people on the board right now aren't going to know the difference

There has never really been much confusion on the subject. I don't know why it got so complicated on the Pre mile thread, since only one of them has even raced in the past 5 years.

[ttalk]

Can anyone name a few of the other Kenyans who have shared names and both were world-class runners?

I'm trying to think of the guy who ran 3 sub-27s in the late 90s; he and Tergat went 1-2 at Van Damme 3 years in a row and ran sub-27 each time (one was the Tergat WR). Paul something, I think ... and I think there was another by the same name. A steepler, I think.

Then there was Wilson Kipketer the 800 WR-setter (now Denmark, of course), and Wilson Boit Kipketer the top steepler ... (do I have that right?)

Then there was another pair in the 80s, or early 90s ... who was the guy who won the 88 steeple gold? I think he had a namesake was wasn't quite as good, but ...

[dma1924]

Geb ran a 3:52 mile and a 8:01 2 mile.

And Daniel K. Komen ran a 3:46 mile. He probably was the best 1500-5000 runner ever.

[Sully 800]

Geb has the 3:31 indoors though. That's extremely legit for such a short distance.

[Kalaby]

And Daniel K. Komen ran a 3:46 mile. He probably was the best 1500-5000 runner ever.

Said Aouita might have something to say about that.

[Mrr82]

Geb has the 3:31 indoors though. That's extremely legit for such a short distance.

No doubt, second to only EL G. Something Komen definately can't say about the outdoor 1500. Geb surely has a sub 350 mile in him outdoors that just never transpired.

[Beans]

Geb ran a 3:52 mile and a 8:01 2 mile.


you tryin to be smart boy?

Komen ran 3:46 and 7:58...twice. As i said, Geb could never hold a candle to Komen on any distance 2 miles and below.

[Beans]

Geb has the 3:31 indoors though. That's extremely legit for such a short distance.

The course was short.

[alan_webb_goldnbeijing]

And here's where things get complicated. I knew eventually somebody would mess up and use a conflicting past tense in their post. dma1924 used Daniel K. Komen as a past runner who once ran a 3:46 mile and saying that he "was" probably the best 1500-1600 runner ever.

Thus begins the reason I began this thread. Because some loser won't understand, and argument will arise and then people's feelings get hurt. And guys come one, I don't want anybody's feelings to be hurt.

[daman]

Thus begins the reason I began this thread. Because some loser won't understand, and argument will arise and then people's feelings get hurt. And guys come one, I don't want anybody's feelings to be hurt. Especially after calling them a loser :D

[BisonHurdler]

For some reason it seems the people who weren't around (read: paying attention to track) when Daniel Komen was setting the track world on fire in 1996 and 1997 have the most trouble keeping this straight. I would surmise that most people who were don't have much, if any difficulty with this at all. For us, it's really a non-issue. But for the slightly younger bunch, I guess I could see where it might get confusing.

Still . . . it's not that hard.

[daman]

I like that quote from Mrr82 in your sig.

[mzungu]

if you follow kenyan distance running, you know the answer to this question already:

daniel komen, the 3:46/12:39 runner, is daniel komen. he came along first.

daniel kipchirchir komen, the current #1 1500m runner, should be kip komen.
kip=short for kipchirchir

of other kenyans with similar names, I think that the steeplers Paul Koech and Paul Kipsiele Koech were two. there too you could call them paul koech and kip koech.:D

[krunkinator0]

does anyone know if theres a video anywhere of the 2 mile wr?

[Transient]

Can anyone name a few of the other Kenyans who have shared names and both were world-class runners?

I'm trying to think of the guy who ran 3 sub-27s in the late 90s; he and Tergat went 1-2 at Van Damme 3 years in a row and ran sub-27 each time (one was the Tergat WR). Paul something, I think ... and I think there was another by the same name. A steepler, I think.

Then there was Wilson Kipketer the 800 WR-setter (now Denmark, of course), and Wilson Boit Kipketer the top steepler ... (do I have that right?)

Then there was another pair in the 80s, or early 90s ... who was the guy who won the 88 steeple gold? I think he had a namesake was wasn't quite as good, but ...The 10k runner, I think, was Paul Koech.

[trojanrunna]

For some reason it seems the people who weren't around (read: paying attention to track) when Daniel Komen was setting the track world on fire in 1996 and 1997 have the most trouble keeping this straight. I would surmise that most people who were don't have much, if any difficulty with this at all. For us, it's really a non-issue. But for the slightly younger bunch, I guess I could see where it might get confusing.

Still . . . it's not that hard.
Or people who had never heard of Komen the first before the current Komen. I noticed the 7:58 in a book a couple years ago and said goddam he was fast. Then I saw people picking Daniel Kipchirchir for winning races last year and I was like WTF? but figured everything out shortly after. It seems that there are several last names that are very common in Kenya, and it's not like names like Paul and Daniel are rare, so you get alot of the same names. It'd be like two John Browns competing.

[Scotty]

Komen was absurdly fast in his prime...the very best...even better than Geb.

Komen ran 3:29/3:46/7:20/7:58/and 12:39!!!!!! Ridiculous!!!!!

(Geb was slower at each distance, except the 5000m, where he was only 2tenths faster)

[Jolly Farm]

Komen was absurdly fast in his prime...the very best...even better than Geb.

Komen ran 3:29/3:46/7:20/7:58/and 12:39!!!!!! Ridiculous!!!!!

(Geb was slower at each distance, except the 5000m, where he was only 2tenths faster)

Yeah, but you're doubling up the 1500/mile and 3000/2 mile. They should really be considered the same distance, unless you want to give Geb the 3 and 6 mile. Geb's 3:31i is also arguably better than 3:29, and Geb had him beat at 10k easily.

[Beans]

Yeah, but you're doubling up the 1500/mile and 3000/2 mile. They should really be considered the same distance, unless you want to give Geb the 3 and 6 mile. Geb's 3:31i is also arguably better than 3:29, and Geb had him beat at 10k easily.


I hope your joking...

[jacksparrow34313]

Originally Posted by Scotty
Komen was absurdly fast in his prime...the very best...even better than Geb.

Komen ran 3:29/3:46/7:20/7:58/and 12:39!!!!!! Ridiculous!!!!!

(Geb was slower at each distance, except the 5000m, where he was only 2tenths faster)

If you're based on times and records, as opposed to major championship victories, the first Komen is without doubt the greatest 1500-5000 runner of all time. He held the world record at 5000 several times, including the 12:39, still holds it in the duece and the 3000, and threw down some really sick times in the 1500/mile. As a 1500-5000 runner, Geb doesn't even come close to him.

However saying he is even better than Geb is ridiculous. He had better times over that range, but Geb's range of amazing times is far more encompassing. He ran the 3:31 indoors, 7:25.09 for 3000, an 8:01.08 duece, 12:39.36 5000, 26:22.75, 58:55 half marathon, and a 2:06:20 marathon. Komen's accomplishments don't even approach Geb's, without even mentioning Geb's dominance in all major championships. Even if you take out the half-marathon and marathon, which were run after Komen's career was over, Geb still has him beat.

[Jolly Farm]

I hope your joking...

No, are you?

[Scotty]

Yeah, but you're doubling up the 1500/mile and 3000/2 mile. They should really be considered the same distance, unless you want to give Geb the 3 and 6 mile. Geb's 3:31i is also arguably better than 3:29, and Geb had him beat at 10k easily.

This is not complicated. I listed 5 events that each guy raced well at. Komen was faster at 4 of the 5, and slower by 2tenths in the 5th event. Very simple...Komen was better during that period...covering those 5 events.

(Yes Geb was much better at 10k....Komen did not run the event, and was certainly was not Geb's equal).

[Scotty]

Looking at these events, Komen was shockingly good.

1500 metres 3:29.46
One mile 3:46.38
2000 metres 4:51.30
3000 metres 7:20.66
2 miles 7:58.61
5000 metres 12:39.74

[Jolly Farm]

This is not complicated. I listed 5 events that each guy raced well at. Komen was faster at 4 of the 5, and slower by 2tenths in the 5th event. Very simple...Komen was better during that period...covering those 5 events.

(Yes Geb was much better at 10k....Komen did not run the event, and was certainly was not Geb's equal).

You didn't say "covering those five events" in your first post. You picked and chose events that supported your claim, while leaving out others. And again, the 1500 and mile are essentially the same thing, as are the 3000 and 2 mile.

[Scotty]

They are all different events....contested by both guys.....and separate lists/records are kept. Geb's best for the same 6 events:

1,500 m 3:31.76
Mile 3:52.39
2,000m 4:52.86
3,000 m 7:25.09
Two miles 8:01.08
5,000 m 12:39.36

I thought it was obvious that I was talking about those 5 (actually 6) events. Komen was not an 800m runner, nor was he a marathoner.

Over those 6, Komen's PRs were extraordinary.