which is the best throwing college?

[NormanTigerTabor]

who do you think it is?

[chuckitfar08]

You can't forget North Carolina -- three NCAA champions this year with Laura Gerraughty in the shot, Justin Ryncavage in the jav, and Vikas Gowda in the disc.

[israelmachovec]

east coast it would have to be either UNC or UGA, west coast i would say UCLA or arizona state

[KELLER]

South Carolina? I'm a little puzzled by their inclusion unless you mean North Carolina. And do you mean all-time or right now? All time I think you gotta look at what UCLA has put out, not only in their athletes but in the coaches that they have produced as well. Well, actually all time would have to be SMU...I don't think you can argue that one.

As for TODAY, if you are basing it off last year you have to go with UNC and/or Arizona. I don't buy into Va. Tech because they really never improve their guys. As for next year, although slightly biased I think Arizona will be the best. There isn't another school in the country that will have 2 guys at 210 in the disc, a true freshman near 200 in the disc, 3-4 guys near 60 in the shot, and 2-3 guys near 190 in the hammer. I think Auburn will also be very strong next year as well, with Elkasevic in the shot and disc, and Martin and Dunkleberger in the hammer both near 70m.

[justafatkid]

you cant forget Missouri. 4 guys over 200 in the hammer. all will be juniors i believe.

[NormanTigerTabor]

South Carolina had several guys in the finals in most of the events at the SEC championship.

Texas W/ brian Roboson who really should have won the NCAA's in shot and was a 195 ft disc throw. and they had another 60 ft shot putter and Michel Carter (MIke carter' Daughter) should have won the womans shot.

Georgia has just had so many really really good throwers over the years and the throws coach Don Babbit is an awsome coach

[tabortiger]

cant forget dartmouth. lol

[DJ Jasper]

Manhattan College

http://www.gojaspers.com/article.cfm?doc_id=6109

[SoCold]

South Carolina had several guys in the finals in most of the events at the SEC championship.

Texas W/ brian Roboson who really should have won the NCAA's in shot and was a 195 ft disc throw. and they had another 60 ft shot putter and Michel Carter (MIke carter' Daughter) should have won the womans shot.


The SEC throws were garbage this year.

How do you figure that? Garrett and Laura were leading the country all year and Garrett should have thrown 21 meters IMO.

Let's face it guys. You want to throw big, come to the ACC or Pac-10.

[dhhsccrunner]

Its going to be UCLA with new incoming freshmen Bo taylor from newport, Nick Robinson from El Toro, and Darius Savage from San diego all from california are going to UCLA.

[KELLER]

Its going to be UCLA with new incoming freshmen Bo taylor from newport, Nick Robinson from El Toro, and Darius Savage from San diego all from california are going to UCLA.
You would be shocked to know how many combined scholarships Art Venagas had to use for those three if what I heard was true.

[Field&Track]

yea ucla has a ridiculous recruiting class this year:

shot put goes: 66'3" (darius), 65'1" (nick), 64 (bo), 60'10" (tyler dragon)

discus: 213'7" (bo), 212'2" (darius), 198ish (nick), 185ish (william tsai)

i went to the throws camp this summer and art said they have somethin like 14 track scholarships available for the mens side...divide that among these throwers AND the runners (ie. Klech) and there has to be some really small scholarships for top notch athletes

[Ecliptica]

No love for VA Tech?

[nancythewitch22]

No love for VA Tech?

Ya i think Virginia Tech is

[tabortiger]

top 2 are UCLA and SMU for me.......even though SMU no longer has men's track, when they did they dominated throws.

[Field&Track]

I can't remember where I heard it from but someone had said that the SMU coach (when they had men's track) recruited strictly from Europe with very few exceptions. And I also heard he didn't even LOOK at anyone if they were under like 6'5". Sounds kinda ridiculous to me but it's just what I heard.

[tabortiger]

his name is Dave Wolman........I know SMU did have a lot of older europeans on their team (most importantly the NCAA recordholder in the discus, hannes hopley...222'0'') but yeah coach Wolman is still at SMU coaching girls I think.

[KELLER]

I can't remember where I heard it from but someone had said that the SMU coach (when they had men's track) recruited strictly from Europe with very few exceptions. And I also heard he didn't even LOOK at anyone if they were under like 6'5". Sounds kinda ridiculous to me but it's just what I heard.
You are a little off base here. Wolman didn't recruit just Europeans, he recruited just the best guys, period. Towards the end of the men's team he did have a lot of international guys, but he also did have a history of top Americans as well. Does the name Michael Carter ring a bell? How about Michael Robertson? And there have been many other guys such as hammer thorwer Brian Murer who were successful American athletes at SMU.

As for the 6'5" comment, you are so wrong it is ridiculous. How about Hannes Hopley? He is scraping 6'0" if all his stats are true. Carter wasn't 6'5" either. You are mistaking his selectiveness as some bias. In reality, he was recruiting to win, and win right away. Think about it, what he is doing now is what Greg Jack is trying to do now at Va Tech (with not nearly the widespread success). If they can go out and get the foreigners who can place and possilby win NCAAs in their first year, why not get them? It's a challenge to the Americans to step it up. You'll also have the Americans like Michael Robertson who could answer the challenge as a freshman (fun fact: Robertson had a 210' slight sector foul at NCAAs as a freshman)

But I think some attention should be brought to just how freaking good SMU was, and why it is a travesty they got closed down. Look at some of the guys to come through (and this is only a parial list off the top of my head):

-Robert Weir
-Michael Carter
-Janus Roberts
-Aleksander Tammert
-Jason Tunks
-Hannus Hopley
-Michael Robertson
-Brian Murer

And TONS of other All-Americans

[tabortiger]

the hammer thrower too.....libor chreftaig or something? yeah he was there too........haha.

[Measure This]

yea ucla has a ridiculous recruiting class this year:

shot put goes: 66'3" (darius), 65'1" (nick), 64 (bo), 60'10" (tyler dragon)

discus: 213'7" (bo), 212'2" (darius), 198ish (nick), 185ish (william tsai)

i went to the throws camp this summer and art said they have somethin like 14 track scholarships available for the mens side...divide that among these throwers AND the runners (ie. Klech) and there has to be some really small scholarships for top notch athletes

What Art did not tell you is that all these guys are on football scholarships and track gets them for free... A coach told me at the state meet that Art gets other throwers to commit to go with a promise if they compete well he will then consider giving them money.

[Field&Track]

You are a little off base here. Wolman didn't recruit just Europeans, he recruited just the best guys, period. Towards the end of the men's team he did have a lot of international guys, but he also did have a history of top Americans as well. Does the name Michael Carter ring a bell? How about Michael Robertson? And there have been many other guys such as hammer thorwer Brian Murer who were successful American athletes at SMU.

As for the 6'5" comment, you are so wrong it is ridiculous. How about Hannes Hopley? He is scraping 6'0" if all his stats are true. Carter wasn't 6'5" either. You are mistaking his selectiveness as some bias. In reality, he was recruiting to win, and win right away. Think about it, what he is doing now is what Greg Jack is trying to do now at Va Tech (with not nearly the widespread success). If they can go out and get the foreigners who can place and possilby win NCAAs in their first year, why not get them? It's a challenge to the Americans to step it up. You'll also have the Americans like Michael Robertson who could answer the challenge as a freshman (fun fact: Robertson had a 210' slight sector foul at NCAAs as a freshman)

But I think some attention should be brought to just how freaking good SMU was, and why it is a travesty they got closed down. Look at some of the guys to come through (and this is only a parial list off the top of my head):

-Robert Weir
-Michael Carter
-Janus Roberts
-Aleksander Tammert
-Jason Tunks
-Hannus Hopley
-Michael Robertson
-Brian Murer

And TONS of other All-Americans

First of all those were not my words; it was something I remembered hearing in another forum. I probably could've/should've done some research on it but what the hell, this forum isn't all that active so why not throw it out there. Sorry for the mix up on this though.

What Art did not tell you is that all these guys are on football scholarships and track gets them for free... A coach told me at the state meet that Art gets other throwers to commit to go with a promise if they compete well he will then consider giving them money.

He did say that about Darius but I didn't know that all those other guys played football too.

[KELLER]

He did say that about Darius but I didn't know that all those other guys played football too.
From what I heard (note this is not something I am 100% sure about) Bo comes from a very rich family (his high school is the one the kids go to on The OC) and his parents wanted him to go to UCLA since Day One, and were only concerned about him getting some kind of money. So I think he didn't get much more than books, as did Robinson. They both signed early so that is another factor as to why he got them for cheap. If everything I heard is correct, they got their big three (and maybe even Dragon and Tsai) for maybe half a scholarship. It's insane.

[Measure This]

Bob McKay told my Dad the same thing, that Art was not giving much money that all these guys, all four who beat me at state, were going on football money or a promise of money later

[SoCold]

Bob McKay told my Dad the same thing, that Art was not giving much money that all these guys, all four who beat me at state, were going on football money or a promise of money later
That's not uncommon at all. UNC, UGA, and VT do a lot of that. They can get you into school, but they save all the money for transfer throwers or guys on the team who have already proven themselves. However, it'll be interesting to see how football affects these guys. Football in big Division I schools is THE first priority, even if Art Venegas is your track coach.

And to add to this discussion, screw Title Nine!!!

[tabortiger]

out of all those guys, I think Darius Savage is the only one that is playing football.....

[starman]

Yeah, Im not really going to chime in on this thread because I'm just reading it, But Keller, although Hopley was just scramin 6' his wingspan was like 6'9"ish I heard

[SoCold]

out of all those guys, I think Darius Savage is the only one that is playing football.....
I heard Dragon was too.

[azbeachboy1]

Arizona State????? Please tell me you meant University of Arizona?

[Smitty]

And to add to this discussion, screw Title Nine!!!

QFT, QFE, QFMFE, QFETC

[israelmachovec]

arizona state is not bad, the have Whitting and another guy that has thrown over 63 ft

[husker_hurdler]

I voted for Georgia, but Nebraska had the regional coach of the year for the throws, with Jace Daskue (sp) Becky Brisch, and Kayla Wilkinson, who combined to score over 20 points at Nats.

[KELLER]

I voted for Georgia, but Nebraska had the regional coach of the year for the throws, with Jace Daskue (sp) Becky Brisch, and Kayla Wilkinson, who combined to score over 20 points at Nats.
Nebraska is solid. Should have had more points if Becky was in the disc too.

[Tyler Hitchler]

I've talked to Mark Colligan at Nebraska many times. I plan on throwing there for sure. I don't want to go anywhere else. He's a great guy and has coached some of the best. Definitely solid.

[IL hs throws coach]

not as well known yet, but Southern Illinois U will be better known in the coming years. Coach John Smith this last year took a sophomore girl who never threw the hammer, and made her an All-American. Brittany Riley. Amarachi Ukabam was the girl shot/discus All-American who transferred from Ohio State. but perhaps the best coaching job was with Mark Milleville, a 140ft hs discus thrower walkon. Head coach Connie Price-Smith coached Mark till Coach John came to SIU, culminating in Mark winning the east regional hammer and placing in the discus finals. all in all for 2006 3 regional titles. WSP, WHT, and MHT. a small program but getting better each year....big results with unlikely throwers- that is the mark of great coaching

[homeless]

Does the name Michael Carter ring a bell?
he played for the 49ers...did he throw as well?

[KELLER]

He threw a little bit...81-3 at Golden West his senior year. Probably the most untouchable record in all high school track, if not track in general. Threw far at SMU, and won the silver medal at the 84 Olympics if I'm not mistaken. After that he cut his track career short to play in the NFL.

[boltoncct&f]

Not a top throwing school yet, but soon to be...... University of Memphis. They have a new coach (who was the assistant) who was a thrower in college. As the assistant coach he has taken the basic 50 foot HS thrower, and gotten almost all of them to the NCAA regional meet within a year or two. Some to the NCAA finals. Now that he is the head coach, I bet he gets some better throwing talent in there, and then works his magic, thus probably producing some champs here soon.

[Smitty]

he played for the 49ers...did he throw as well?

QFLOL

[cory]

Godina, Venegas and U C L A

[Measure This]

There is a new coach at UC Davis, Tim Fua, has freshman Matt Swarbrick throwing the discus 180 his true freshman year. Looks good, Tom Fahey, masters world champion, says he is one of the best, and is unknown.