where is new englands ?

[run2thewall]

does anyone know where at in rhode island new englands for xc will be this year

[Paul Banks]

Goddard park in Warwick Rhode Island... judging from past results it is a very very fast course

[NavitasXVII]

pictures or course description?

[MtownMiler]

Isn't that the same course where the Brown Invitational is at?

[fourdegrees8924]

I was afraid someone was going to say Bryant College in Smithfield RI...that course is no fun

[run2thewall]

how fast is very fast can u judge is to a course in new hampshire

[Paul Banks]

I have a few undescriptive race pictures from my state's results website, but unfortunatly no course description. I know of guys from my school that PR'ed there by about 25 seconds from their state meet, and I have no idea if the Brown invitational is held there..... probably, it is close enough

sorry I cant post the pictures, but here's the link to the page.... it's mostly pictures from the girls race...
http://mysportsresults.com/Photos/XC2001/NE01/NE01PhotoIndex.html

[run2thewall]

is there any pavement is it on grass on pine needle trails ? any other things that u guys might know of

[CrazyRunner89]

goddard park is where the brown invite is but nes is going to be at ponagansett high school.

[run2thewall]

looking at past results at warwick park it is 40 secs faster than derryfield so could it be compared to mines falls

[MtownMiler]

If it is the same course as the Brown Invite then it was the muddiest course I ever ran on. But that was after 2 days of down pouring rain.... It is probably the flatest course you will ever run on though. You start on a big open grass field and go into the woods (dirt trails) and that's pretty much it. I don't remember any pavement.

[run2thewall]

so its a track race on grass and dirt

[polyxc]

goddard park is where the brown invite is but nes is going to be at ponagansett high school.
just making sure you didn't miss this.

[Paul Banks]

My state's early scheduling website says this:

Sat., 11/11 Boys Cross Country New England Championships Away
11:00 a.m. 9:00a.m. @ Goddard Park, RI

My word is only as good as my state's official tournament scheduling website.

[300kicks]

FROM CoachK (Cumberland Hs RI) via RI XC '06 Thread


"As of right now, I think the plan is to run NE's at Ponaganset. Yes, the start is the concern, but it certainly can't be any worse than Thetford. Its a good course, a few hills, lots of trails, and very spectator friendly. If it can't work there, then we have an issue.

On another note, yes there has been talk of running an invitational at Ponaganset. I think the plan would be to run it earlier in the season(9/16, 9/23, 9/30, or 10/7), because you have Manahttan on the 14th, Brown on the 21st, and then class and states.
However, as for running too often at Pon, remember just because they have an invitational there, doesn't mean you HAVE to go, especially if you think running class and states there is sufficient preparation. You could go to Manchester, Maine, Thetford, Wickham, or whatever other race you want."

[WoonyXC]

FROM CoachK (Cumberland Hs RI) via RI XC '06 Thread


"As of right now, I think the plan is to run NE's at Ponaganset. Yes, the start is the concern, but it certainly can't be any worse than Thetford. Its a good course, a few hills, lots of trails, and very spectator friendly. If it can't work there, then we have an issue.

On another note, yes there has been talk of running an invitational at Ponaganset. I think the plan would be to run it earlier in the season(9/16, 9/23, 9/30, or 10/7), because you have Manahttan on the 14th, Brown on the 21st, and then class and states.
However, as for running too often at Pon, remember just because they have an invitational there, doesn't mean you HAVE to go, especially if you think running class and states there is sufficient preparation. You could go to Manchester, Maine, Thetford, Wickham, or whatever other race you want."

Coack K is from Smithfield I believe. But yeah, I've also heard it's going to be in Ponaganset, a much more challenging course than Goddard.

[Paul Banks]

"I've also heard it's going to be in Ponaganset, a much more challenging course than Goddard"

This is good. If it isn't at Goddard it will show the real strength of the teams in the region. I guess the word of my official state scheduling website is wrong, hahaha.... anyway, how is Ponaganset? Any notable pictures or course maps for guys who've never run at/ heard about it?

[Rhode Island XC]

They don't know where new englands is going to be at this moment.But! here are the courses they are looking at:Ponangansett, bryant college and goddard park. Like Crazyrunner said its prolly going to be at ponnagansett, it will. And its a def.

[fourdegrees8924]

They don't know where new englands is going to be at this moment.But! here are the courses they are looking at:Ponangansett, bryant college and goddard park. Like Crazyrunner said its prolly going to be at ponnagansett, it will. And its a def.

nooooooo! not bryant!!!!

[run2thewall]

so its going to bed at ponangansett ? i know nothing about this course can someone explain it to me and what town its in ...

[Rhode Island XC]

so its going to bed at ponangansett ? i know nothing about this course can someone explain it to me and what town its in ...


Pongansett is the hillyest course we basically run on in rhode island its in Scituate or near it. Its a good course though, you guys will love it. I love it. I have great sucess on that course.:) If you guys need to know anything else feel free to ask, ill answer them.

[run2thewall]

is there pavement on the course is there grass is it on trails what are the trails like ...

[CoachK]

is there pavement on the course is there grass is it on trails what are the trails like ...
Ponaganset is in Foster / North Scituate, about 25 minutes west of Providence on Rt. 6 and close to the Connecticut line. It is a course at a high school where they have put an incredible amount of time into creating the course, including getting a couple of $500,000 recreation purposes grants from DEM. Trails are great, very smooth and they have removed countless rocks/sticks over the years.

The first mile is pretty much flat and a mix of open grass field loops and trails just outside the perimeter of the field. Just after the mile mark, it head up a pretty good hill into the woods on the trails. Then there's a decent downhill for just over 1/4 mile, some flat spots, and then a small hill just before 2 miles. Flat for another 200 meters, then a tough hill just behind the school that's pretty long, it goes up for a while, then turn and still going slightly up for another 100 meters. At about 2.45 miles, you go down the steep hill you went up at the mile mark back into the start/finish field area. The next 500 meters are trails just outside the perimeter of the field (accessible to spectators through 30 meter paths), then into the field for the final 600 meters or so.

No pavement at all, save for crossing the track onto the football field for the last 120 meters on the grass sideline to the finish in front of the stands. The trails are VERY wide, can easily drive a pickup truck through them. The course heads away after the mile mark, but loops back and both the 2 mile mark and the 2.2 just before the big hill are easily reached by coaches/spectators through the parking lot. Coaches will see the runners numerous times (I think I catch about them 7-8 times in all, including the 1 and 2 mile marks) and don't really have to push yourself to do it either like getting to the mile mark and back from the 2 mile at Goddard.
Overall, its not quite as hilly as Bryant, but its close. My guess is the reason some out-of-state schools may assume NE's are at Goddard is simply because that is where they were last time RI hosted them, because Bryant was unavailable and Ponaganset was in the process of their major upgrades.

[polyxc]

Could you say how wide the beginning of the race is?

Could you say how is the course effected by rain? Does the course drain well? Are there puddles, small ponds, deep mud, alligators?

thanks Coach

[FIT]

Will there be any invitationals this year that would enable out of state teams to see the course?

[Rhode Island XC]

Will there be any invitationals this year that would enable out of state teams to see the course?

Yes, i believe that where new englands is held you have to have an invitational there. I have heard that there will be an invitational in the beginning of september.

[Pheidippides]

bump

[400master]

2007 Cumberland Maine. Toughest course most of you will ever run on!

[Pheidippides]

yeah jeesh

1 Nick Williams Poland XC Boys 5:37.0 17:27.00 1
2 Ethan Shaw JR Falmouth 5:41.2 17:40.00 2
3 Tyler Clark SR Lisbon High 5:42.8 17:45.00 3
4 John Misener SR Deering High School 5:43.8 17:48.00 4
5 Stanis Moody-Roberts SR Cape 5:46.4 17:56.00 5
6 Graham Egan SR Cape 5:47.7 18:00.00 6
7 Danny Soltan Winthrop 5:48.6 18:03.00 7
8 Ben Talbot SR Scar 5:49.6 18:06.00 8
9 Timothy Even FA Cross Country 5:50.2 18:08.00 9
9 Travis Griffin SR Scar 5:50.2 18:08.00 10

Then at New Englands

3 #370 Tyler Clark 12 Lisbon - ME 5:02 15:37
7 #499 Nick Williams Poland - ME 5:09 15:59
17 #390 Ethan Shaw 11 Falmouth - ME 5:14 16:14
19 #308 Graham Egan 12 Cape Elizabeth - ME 5:14 16:15
27 #312 Stanis Moody-Robert 12 Cape Elizabeth - ME 5:18 16:28
49 #391 Timothy Even Fryeburg - ME 5:24 16:46
82 #358 John Misener 12 Deering - ME 5:31 17:07
89 #508 Ben Talbot 12 Scarborough - ME 5:32 17:11 58
134 #503 Travis Griffin 12 Scarborough - ME 5:39 17:32 90

What was the weather like at Cumberland last year?

Roughly 100 seconds slower then Pontagansett.

[NEXCFTW]

tougher than Thetford VT and/or Northfield MA?

cause rumor has it those are the 2 toughest course in New England.

nevertheless, is this course suited for a race the size of New Englands, unlike Ponaganset?? (though i <3 Ponaganset)

[TAXCTQ10]

yeah jeesh

1 Nick Williams Poland XC Boys 5:37.0 17:27.00 1
2 Ethan Shaw JR Falmouth 5:41.2 17:40.00 2
3 Tyler Clark SR Lisbon High 5:42.8 17:45.00 3
4 John Misener SR Deering High School 5:43.8 17:48.00 4
5 Stanis Moody-Roberts SR Cape 5:46.4 17:56.00 5
6 Graham Egan SR Cape 5:47.7 18:00.00 6
7 Danny Soltan Winthrop 5:48.6 18:03.00 7
8 Ben Talbot SR Scar 5:49.6 18:06.00 8
9 Timothy Even FA Cross Country 5:50.2 18:08.00 9
9 Travis Griffin SR Scar 5:50.2 18:08.00 10

Then at New Englands

3 #370 Tyler Clark 12 Lisbon - ME 5:02 15:37
7 #499 Nick Williams Poland - ME 5:09 15:59
17 #390 Ethan Shaw 11 Falmouth - ME 5:14 16:14
19 #308 Graham Egan 12 Cape Elizabeth - ME 5:14 16:15
27 #312 Stanis Moody-Robert 12 Cape Elizabeth - ME 5:18 16:28
49 #391 Timothy Even Fryeburg - ME 5:24 16:46
82 #358 John Misener 12 Deering - ME 5:31 17:07
89 #508 Ben Talbot 12 Scarborough - ME 5:32 17:11 58
134 #503 Travis Griffin 12 Scarborough - ME 5:39 17:32 90

What was the weather like at Cumberland last year?

Roughly 100 seconds slower then Pontagansett.


The day those times are from for the Twin Brooks course are from the morning after a huge rain storm and the course was extremely muddy and wet and which made it a lot tougher. It's probably the toughest course I've ever run on (granted i've only run about 10)

Here are some times from the western maine regional meet in 2005.


Miles Bartlett SR Lake Region 5:23 16:43
Nick Williams Poland Regional 5:26 16:51
Tyler Clark Lisbon High School 5:31 17:06
Ethan Shaw SO Falmouth 5:31 17:07
Mickey Rose SR York High School 5:34 17:15
Joshua Wang Portland High Sc 5:34 17:16
Jon Wilson SR Falmouth 5:34 17:16
Evan Embrey Bonny Eagle 5:34 17:17
John Forcella SR Falmouth 5:35 17:20
Nate Green SR York High School 5:37 17:24
Tyler Jasud SR Mtn. Valley HS 5:37 17:25
Kevin Floster SR Lake Region 5:37 17:25
Travis Griffin Scarboro 5:37 17:26
Graham Egan Cape Elizabeth 5:37 17:27
Justin Richardson St. Dominic 5:38 17:28
Chris Harmon Scarboro 5:38 17:30

[hellomoto]

Name School Time Year
Ben True Greely 15:45 10/25/03 Regionals
Ben True Greely 16:06 10/26/02 Regionals
Eric Giddings South Portland 16:09 10/25/03 Regionals
Jeff Gaudette Biddeford 16:27 10/28/00 Regionals
Ayalew Taye Portland 16:28 10/24/04 Regionals
Ben True Greely 16:29 10/22/01 Regionals
Jeff Caron Edward Little 16:30 10/21/00 Regionals
Jared Kuvaja Edward Little 16:32 10/21/00 Regionals
Miles Bartlett Lake Region 16:33 WMC Meet
Casey Diehl Greely 16:36 WMC Meet
Sinteyhu Taye Portland 16:43 10/23/04 Regionals
Miles Bartlett Lake Region 16:43 10/22/05 Regionals
Casey Diehl Greely 16:43 10/23/04 Regionals
Brandon Bonsey Falmouth 16:47 10/26/02 Regionals
Brandon Bonsey Falmouth 16:49 10/25/03Regionals
Casey Diehl Greely 16:49 WMC Meet
Nick Williams Poland 16:51 10/22/05 Regionals
Ayalew Taye Portland 16:55 10/25/03 Regionals
Miles Bartlett Lake Region 16:55 10/23/04 Regionals
Eric Olafsen Deering 16:58 10/22/01 Regionals
JJ Forcella Falmouth 16:58 WMC Meet
Ben True Greely 16:58 WMC Championship 2001
Brandon Bonsey Falmouth 17:01 10/26/02 Regionals
Casey Diehl Greely 17:05 10/25/03 Regionals
Tyler Clark Lisbon 17:06 10/22/05 Regionals

Taken from another thread, these are the top times to show what the people have a possibility of running.

[Demetri]

FROM CoachK (Cumberland Hs RI) via RI XC '06 Thread


"As of right now, I think the plan is to run NE's at Ponaganset. Yes, the start is the concern, but it certainly can't be any worse than Thetford. Its a good course, a few hills, lots of trails, and very spectator friendly. If it can't work there, then we have an issue.

On another note, yes there has been talk of running an invitational at Ponaganset. I think the plan would be to run it earlier in the season(9/16, 9/23, 9/30, or 10/7), because you have Manahttan on the 14th, Brown on the 21st, and then class and states.
However, as for running too often at Pon, remember just because they have an invitational there, doesn't mean you HAVE to go, especially if you think running class and states there is sufficient preparation. You could go to Manchester, Maine, Thetford, Wickham, or whatever other race you want."

I know hindsight is 20/20, but did anyone else laugh at that part after seeing what ended up happening?

[NEXCFTW]

I know hindsight is 20/20, but did anyone else laugh at that part after seeing what ended up happening?

lol Coach K usually knows his stuff...maybe he wasnt familiar with Thetford...

Ponaganset's start is fine for a meet the size of RI states, but New Englands, clearly not.

Thetford is similar, but a touch better than Ponaganset.

How is the Maine course? Will it be crowded and full of collisions and never open up like New Englands usually is?

[smaguire]

thetford even isnt the hardest couse in vt
harwood is shorter than a 5 k and has very few people break 17

[Pheidippides]

So it should be about 40 seconds slower than New Englands last year.

[maineXCrunner16]

So it should be about 40 seconds slower than New Englands last year.

If the conditions are prime.

If they are bad, expect at least a minute slower.

[guru]

lol Coach K usually knows his stuff...maybe he wasnt familiar with Thetford...

Ponaganset's start is fine for a meet the size of RI states, but New Englands, clearly not.

Thetford is similar, but a touch better than Ponaganset.

How is the Maine course? Will it be crowded and full of collisions and never open up like New Englands usually is?

Soem of the Maine coaches want to run the same course for the New England meet as they do for the Regional meet. If that happens it will be the same as most New England meets, not enough distance before it starts to funnel. However they can back up the start at least 100 yards which will make it better. They have run the the D3 New England qualifier there and it hasn't been a problem. Of course since they run a 8k they don't take off as fast and know they have more room to make a move.

[proud dad]

Thetford in 2005 was disappointing. It is not an appropriate course for 350 runners in one heat. When they run the Woods Trail event there are about 130 in each heat and then the course provides equal opportunity for the best runners to prevail. Not all the best runners are those that start the race with an all out sprint. At Wickham Park the first 1,000 yds is no narrower than 20 ft.. The long wide start separates the elite runners from majority of the runners that qualified by being on the 3rd, 4th, of 5th best team. At Thetford if you don't hit the trail after the first 200 yds, your opportunities to get past all those slower runners is virtually impossible. Thetford is the type of course suited only to the sprinter, and not the type of runner who paces themselves. I hope the course in Maine is more like Wickham, than like Thetford.
It is unfair to train all season, finish in the top ten in your state, reach the New England Championship, only to be mired in a traffic jam with all the runners who didn't make the top 50. You can train and prepare for hills, but Thetford was the first race my girl was ever in where she was totally boxed in with no way to pass. There were times when she had to walk because the path was too clogged with runners. I'd like some thoughts on the Maine course so I can have her prepare, if needed, by sprinting the first 200 yards of her races.

[run2thewall]

I have heard rumors of ne's not being in Maine.. Is this true ?

[NONstopRUNNER]

oh, i think that new englands is at Franklin Park this year.

[Pheidippides]

oh, i think that new englands is at Franklin Park this year.

But its the same day as EMASS?

[FIT]

I have heard rumors of ne's not being in Maine.. Is this true ?

No, this is not true. I met with a NE council rep recently as well as the meet director at the course.
As Guru mentioned, the course can be backed up, and will be, to add approximately 75 yards of straight to the beginning. For those who know the Western Maine regional course, it will be essentially that. There are some changes occuring to Twin Brooks this year that are legally mandated due to having built previously on wetlands. None will substantially change the course. They may make it slightly faster, but no more than 5-10 seconds is my guess.
1. The first bit of woods after the opening field is cut out and runners will run parallel to the old trail just outside the woods, still entering at the same point.
2. Just prior to the mile mark there is an S-curve that will be straightened to avoid one of the muddiest parts of the course.
3. The finish will be backed up accordingly to maintain course length.

These changes should all be done in time for regular season and Regional meets, hopefully for Chandler Relays as well.

Once the changes are completed course maps will be made available online, presumably at www.sub5.com

[Warrior]

Where is Maine anyways?

[guru]

Where is Maine anyways?

From Boston head straight up, when you get to New Hampshire turn right. After you get 3 miles into the Atlantic Ocean, take a left and keep going, if you reach Canada you've gone too far.

[Warrior]

Beautiful vacation spot in the summer I hear. Great lobstah.