Bay State League

[Old fart]

How is it that every year, these guys are underrated. I'm a big supporter of both teams and their coaches, but in XC, indoor and outdoor track they are always a state level contender, but rarely get talked about on the level of a Newton North. I said I thought they'd beat NN even before I knew their 1-4-5 were standout freshmen. On the boys side, they have two outstanding kids and will find a way as usual to compete in D3/ D2 states. They always do.

Simple answer for cross, Wellesley doesn't do the high-profile invitationals in this region that would get them the recognition. I can't speak for the coaches since I'm not on the staff, but I would guess that having so many dual meets, and wanting to do well at those dual meets, makes it harder to make room for large invites as well. That's a lot of racing. The well to draw from for hard efforts isn't bottomless.

In '04 the Wellesley girls had the best team in MA bar none--better than Bromfield, better than NN, better than Amherst. I'm convinced that team, with a top three of Krieg, Chabot and Jacoby, should have been ranked among the top 10 in the northeast region. As it was I don't think they ran a single race outside of Massachusetts so they were never ranked by anyone. Just before the div. 2 girls' race at Gardner that year I bumped into a former college professor of mine whose son was running for Mt. Greylock. Being from Western MA and a fan of the sport in general, he couldn't believe me when I told him Wellesley would have no problem handling Mohawk, who were very good themselves that year. Wellesley flew under the radar. Put whatever stock you want into those subjective rankings and polls.

There's also been a lack of representation and attendant self-promotion on this board, although nixster36 appears to be trying to change this single-handedly.

[OldMiler]

Simple answer for cross, Wellesley doesn't do the high-profile invitationals in this region that would get them the recognition. I can't speak for the coaches since I'm not on the staff, but I would guess that having so many dual meets, and wanting to do well at those dual meets, makes it harder to make room for large invites as well. That's a lot of racing. The well to draw from for hard efforts isn't bottomless.

In '04 the Wellesley girls had the best team in MA bar none--better than Bromfield, better than NN, better than Amherst. I'm convinced that team, with a top three of Krieg, Chabot and Jacoby, should have been ranked among the top 10 in the northeast region. As it was I don't think they ran a single race outside of Massachusetts so they were never ranked by anyone. Just before the div. 2 girls' race at Gardner that year I bumped into a former college professor of mine whose son was running for Mt. Greylock. Being from Western MA and a fan of the sport in general, he couldn't believe me when I told him Wellesley would have no problem handling Mohawk, who were very good themselves that year. Wellesley flew under the radar. Put whatever stock you want into those subjective rankings and polls.



I have to disagree (a little) here.
I don't think Wellesley is underrated year to year.
Looking at the MIAA poll in recent years it seems as though they looked at the prior year's finish and removed the graduates. As Oracle said they won't know about any new freshmen.
Not competing in as many high profile invy's might hurt them in terms of big meet experience but as long as they make states there's a starting point for the next fall's rankings. I have last year's rankings and Wellesley girls were ranked 7th initially, moved up to 6th despite not competing in the Invys and took 7th at AllStates so they got the recognition they deserved.
Wellesley boys on the other hand were underrated.

Having said all that given that the girls lost noone from last year's 7th place team there's no reason they should be lower than 7th now. They've added depth and a front runner but potentially offset by the loss of Gnirke?
If the boys show some depth behind an excellent top 2 then they'll climb up the rankings.

I agree with OldFart that the '04 girls team was amazing and clearly would've won D1.
Wouldn't it have been fun to see them knock heads with some other beasts from the Northeast? I hear you about the schedule but training though a couple of the lesser ones could've been done. Is it always necessary to crush Dedham, Norwood, fill in the blanks...

[MillerTime6262]

Did NN-Braintree-Norwood end up happening?

[BananaFerret]

There's also been a lack of representation and attendant self-promotion on this board, although nixster36 appears to be trying to change this single-handedly.

Pft, we may not post as much -- but we read it all! I guess I'll start having to throw out cocky comments too so we aren't so underrated =/

As for invitationals, i know we're at least doing CM, assuming volkmann and I get out of PSATs. We won that last year for d2, so i dunno how we're THAT underrated.

[bcal92]

I would just like to repeat the inanity of having an ALL-STATE meet broken into two.

I regard it as one of the most short-sighted, boneheaded, ridiculous decisions of all time. Perhaps only second to Warrior's hero invading Iraq....

[Phantom Cause]

[QUOTE=BananaFerret;2074135]Pft, we may not post as much -- but we read it all! I guess I'll start having to throw out cocky comments too so we aren't so underrated =/

As for invitationals, i know we're at least doing CM, assuming volkmann and I get out of PSATs. We won that last year for d2, so i dunno how we're THAT underrated.[/QUOTE

edit: won class meet and came in a dissapointing third at all-states d2.

[Smitty]

I would just like to repeat the inanity of having an ALL-STATE meet broken into two.

I regard it as one of the most short-sighted, boneheaded, ridiculous decisions of all time. Perhaps only second to Warrior's hero invading Iraq....

I'd call it even dumber than Iraq.

It's possible for some good to come out of the invasion of Iraq (and indeed, some has). No good can come out of having two "All-State" meets, especially when there are already divisional state meets.

[Mercury08]

I would just like to repeat the inanity of having an ALL-STATE meet broken into two.

I regard it as one of the most short-sighted, boneheaded, ridiculous decisions of all time. Perhaps only second to Warrior's hero invading Iraq....

typical liberal...you have to bring bush into everything. keep politics out of sports.

[bcal92]

be exposing Mercury08's political beliefs to the harsh light of reason and fact on a daily basis....

[Mercury08]

i could have had the easy AP gov. teacher... too bad ur missing out on arguing with me everyday.

[xxcc]

I'd call it even dumber than Iraq.

No good can come out of having two "All-State" meets, especially when there are already divisional state meets.


There is no All-State Meet in x-c, it is two divisions. There is an All-State Meet in Indoor and Outdoor track.

The divisional state meets you are referring to are the emass, central, and western mass championships. I think the folks in Emass like to consider those meets state meets (they aren't). The divisional meets are where you qualify for the two state championship races.

[nhs09]

Needham is going to run at Larz tomorrow. Will Brookline be around?

[kang6789]

There is no All-State Meet in x-c, it is two divisions. There is an All-State Meet in Indoor and Outdoor track.

The divisional state meets you are referring to are the emass, central, and western mass championships. I think the folks in Emass like to consider those meets state meets (they aren't). The divisional meets are where you qualify for the two state championship races.

He knows this.

[Warrior]

Needham is going to run at Larz tomorrow. Will Brookline be around?

A good number of the team will be there for some work / fun. We can show people around if needed.

Please make sure Emily Lipman runs the right way this year. We certainly can't count on Emily Grooopman going the right way - she gets lost on an almost daily basis on her runs.

[xxcc]

He knows this.

Well, he said "no good comes out of having two state meets, when there are already DIVISIONAL STATE MEETS.

I was pointing out that there are no divisional state meets, although some in emass consider the 4 divisions at the emass qualifiers their own little state meet.

[Smitty]

Well, he said "no good comes out of having two state meets, when there are already DIVISIONAL STATE MEETS.

I was pointing out that there are no divisional state meets, although some in emass consider the 4 divisions at the emass qualifiers their own little state meet.

My point was they should do it like they do it for track. Divisional/State/Whatever meets, and then ONE All-State meet.

[xxcc]

My point was they should do it like they do it for track. Divisional/State/Whatever meets, and then ONE All-State meet.

I agree with that.

[backofthepack]

be exposing Mercury08's political beliefs to the harsh light of reason and fact on a daily basis....
Some would say HE is the one with reasonable beliefs. But i cant complain, you never brought your politics into the classroom, and you were the best history teacher! On anotther note, are any other BSL teams running at Amherst?

[MillerTime6262]

A good number of the team will be there for some work / fun. We can show people around if needed.


cool

[Warrior]

i could have had the easy AP gov. teacher... too bad ur missing out on arguing with me everyday.

My understanding is bcal had to run/limp away to the private sector to avoid the daily beatdowns in debate he would have suffered at the hands of Mecury.

Fred Thompson FTW

[Warrior]

cool

Glad to have you guys at Larz today. Have a good weekend. We'll see you Tuesday.

[mcrun33]

Congrats to Brookline boys for taking care of business at Amherst. But I think the real story is the improvement of the girls team. Placing 4 under 21:30 is an accomplishment. Big improvements from Liebman and Alexander. Its still early, but these guys should have all-states aspirations!

[MillerTime6262]

Congrats to Brookline boys for taking care of business at Amherst.

I think "taking care of business" is putting it lightly.

[Warrior]

Congrats to Brookline boys for taking care of business at Amherst. But I think the real story is the improvement of the girls team. Placing 4 under 21:30 is an accomplishment. Big improvements from Liebman and Alexander. Its still early, but these guys should have all-states aspirations!

Easy there big guy. It was a good start but there is alot of work to do to get to that point. We have a big enough challenge right in front of us with Needham on Tuesday.

Hope you're getting ready for your surprises on 9/25. I want to make it "fun" for you.

[nixster36]

does anyone know the results from the nn meet?

[mcrun33]

Just looking around the league this year on the girls side, I havent seen it this deep in my 7 years. There are 7 good teams, a few of them very good. We've had seasons where there were 1-2 elite teams, and I dont know if anyone besides Wellesley would qualify for that. But Needham, Brookline, and Walpole have all joined the ranks as very good teams this year, to go with Wellesley, Natick, NN, and Weymouth.

[Warrior]

Two great dual meets for both genders at Cold Springs where Newton North takes on Wellsley and at Larz where Needham will take on Brookline. Both genders of Needham and Wellesley were impressive in the opening dual meet wins.
Good luck to all.

[Ong-Bak]

Here is a picture my dad took at Amherst Invite
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q163/Ong-Bak/IMG_0533-1.jpg

[Warrior]

Here is a picture my dad took at Amherst Invite
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q163/Ong-Bak/IMG_0533-1.jpg

Thanks. We're going to use it to put on our plaque. Good luck with your season.

[MillerTime6262]

Results from around the league?

Boys: Brookline over Needham 27-30.

Gibson CR:D
Wilson
Burnstein
Miller
Riley
Potterton
Gluck
Newfield
Gluesing
Pratt-Otto?
Sege

the rest im unsure of.

Girls: Needham over Brookline 25-30, was a great race to watch. Some great efforts from both sides. Lipman won by a lot.

Fun meet overall.

[Warrior]

Girls : Needham 25 Brookline 30
Boys: Brookline 27 Needham 30

Great job by both Needham teams in handling larz. Congrats. I think both teams will do very well. Good luck.

[GeorgeTToad]

The start of the Newton North vs Wellesley race.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q163/Ong-Bak/IMG_0805-1.jpg

[MillerTime6262]

The start of the Newton North vs Wellesley race.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q163/Ong-Bak/IMG_0805-1.jpg

great picture. but what about results?

[BananaFerret]

For boys, Newton North won with a score of (i think?) 20-35(maybe 36?)

They took the top 3 spots with Seb leading the way before Volkmann and Caroll came in, then another north, then Littlefield (W), another north, then Cabo (W) and I really didn't catch the results beyond that. The race started with a pretty quick pace (5:08) with Seb and Volkmann up front, but around the start of the second lap Volkmann dropped back as he got a cramp, told me he wanted to drop out. Carroll was still feeling sick from a cold and ended up coming right behind Volkmann after having passed NN #4 after the first lap. Beyond that the runners pretty much finished the way they were in the race.

Wellesley girls came out with a victory. NN took first, followed by four Wellesley (Dietrich, Richardson, Lukes, Lauer), then another North? then wellesley's fifth. Not too sure of these results either :(

Not a very good day for Wellesley boys, with Volkmann and Carroll coming in the 17:20s and Littlefield just above 18:00, all of whom were expecting a little better. Either way it was a fun meet and Seb had a great race (16:20 i think?), along with the other North kids.

PS: sorry for lack of names on Newton North side, never really hear many details on their top runners =/

[Gabe]

Great job, North! Congrats, Seb and co. Anyone have full results?

[nixster36]

putzeys ran a terrific race, he pulled out a 16:20 and im pretty sure their course is a 5-k. will volkmann ran 17:22 and i ran 17:24, there were two newton north runners not that far from volkmann, or atleast one of them.

for the girls, i think the wellesley order was 2. deitrick, 3. richardson, 4. lauer, and then 5. lukes

also, big congrats to needham on such a close race with brookline, the bay state conference race is looking to be quite competitive

[MillerTime6262]

putzeys ran a terrific race, he pulled out a 16:20 and im pretty sure their course is a 5-k.

yeah great job for seb. if their course isnt a 5k, its very close.

[Old Blue Eyes]

Great job, North! Congrats, Seb and co. Anyone have full results?

!. Putzeys--1626
2.Hamilton NN-16.53
3.Chebot NN-1720
4.Volkman Well.-17.24
5.Carrol Well.-17.42
6.Krasnow NN--17.42
7.Littlefield Well.-18.06
8.Ranti NN-18.18
9.Cabo Well.-18.27
10.Forman NN-18.36
NN--20 Wellesley--39

[clifbar]

Results from around the league?

Boys: Brookline over Needham 27-30.

Gibson CR:D
Wilson
Burnstein
Miller
Riley
Potterton
Gluck
Newfield
Gluesing
Pratt-Otto?
Sege

the rest im unsure of.

Girls: Needham over Brookline 25-30, was a great race to watch. Some great efforts from both sides. Lipman won by a lot.

Fun meet overall.Where were Grove and Hardiman?

[burnstein]

broken legs, one car just took them both out... WHAM

[nixster36]

!. Putzeys--1626
2.Hamilton NN-16.53
3.Chebot NN-1720
4.Volkman Well.-17.24
5.Carrol Well.-17.42
6.Krasnow NN--17.42
7.Littlefield Well.-18.06
8.Ranti NN-18.18
9.Cabo Well.-18.27
10.Forman NN-18.36
NN--20 Wellesley--39


i was at 17 24 and volkmann was at 17 22, i finished right behind him

[Warrior]

i was at 17 24 and volkmann was at 17 22, i finished right behind him

Apparently Old Blue Eyes can't read the writing on the official score sheet if you're right.

[MillerTime6262]

broken legs, one car just took them both out... WHAM

it was real ugly. newfield got hit too, but he ran anyway.

[Warrior]

Results from around the league?

Boys: Brookline over Needham 27-30.

Gibson B 15:10
Wilson B 15:15
Burnstein B 15:18
Miller N 15:33
Riley N 16:10
Potterton N 16:40
Gluck N 16:49
Newfield N 16:54
Gluesing N 17:00
s. Pratt-Otto B 17:03
Sege B 17:10
Shields N 17:12
Mainguy B 17:20
Perry B 17:28
Benjamin B 18:25
Sullivan N 18:34
Ricci N 18:34
Coles N 18:38

the rest im unsure of. That's the rest

Girls: Needham over Brookline 25-30, was a great race to watch. Some great efforts from both sides. Lipman won by a lot.

Places went back and forth several times. Great that the WHOLE race could be watched.

Fun meet overall.

Great job by everybody. If Needham gets their spread down to a minute 1-5 they should be contenders for an all state slot.

[Warrior]

it was real ugly. newfield got hit too, but he ran anyway.

If anyone would get hit it would be Jake.

[kang6789]

Those times are ridiculously fast.

[MillerTime6262]

Those times are ridiculously fast.

it was a good day to race.

[nixster36]

Those times are ridiculously fast.

i agree, what is the length of larz?

[mcrun33]

i agree, what is the length of larz?

2.8 going on 3.8

[MillerTime6262]

i agree, what is the length of larz?

the length is not so much an issue as the hillls. The previous course record was 15:26, set by Gibson in 2005 (according to the course map). it was a nice day, so a new record was set. but all that aside, it was a fast day at larz.

[GeorgeTToad]

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff285/GeorgeTToad/IMG_0842-2.jpg
Is that 2 seconds or 20? Closer to 2.

[BananaFerret]

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff285/GeorgeTToad/IMG_0842-2.jpg
Is that 2 seconds or 20? Closer to 2.

Will Volkmann is a sexy beast

[nixster36]

GeorgeTToad can you send more of these race pics my way
thanks

freestileskier36@yahoo.com

[OldMiler]

i was at 17 24 and volkmann was at 17 22, i finished right behind him

Is this a 3 mile course ?

[xcrunna]

Is this a 3 mile course ?
5K, and Jon had a nice article about it
http://nnhsxc.blogspot.com/2007/08/measuring-cold-spring-loop.html

[OldMiler]

5K, and Jon had a nice article about it
http://nnhsxc.blogspot.com/2007/08/measuring-cold-spring-loop.html

thanks - I was figuring 5k from the boys times, what had me wondering was how fast Ranti ran. 19:03 is incredible for this early and in Jon's words "Bartonesque"
Does anyone know if she was pushed ?

[GeorgeTToad]

Ranti was by herself after one lap.
Also, part of the NN crew before the run.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff285/GeorgeTToad/IMG_0781-2.jpg

[Warrior]

Great races for Carolyn and her freshman brother against Wellesley. NN boys look very good. Should be a great meet with Needham next week. Wish I could be there to watch.

[mcrun33]

Great races for Carolyn and her freshman brother against Wellesley. NN boys look very good. Should be a great meet with Needham next week. Wish I could be there to watch.

Yeah me too, why do we have to run our teams, cant we just go watch other teams? That's alot less stressful.

Tuesday is our first ever September meet at Larz. Do you remember 2003. It was Game 6 of the ALCS when the Sox came back and won and set us all up for the debacle of Game 7. We left Larz and got home just in time to see it end. You beat us 27-28, so I would have rather watched the WHOLE game on TV.

[clifbar]

Where/when is the Newton North-Wellesley meet?

[BananaFerret]

Where/when is the Newton North-Wellesley meet?

Check one page back in this thread for results, happened yesterday at Cold Springs

[burnstein]

Where/when was the Newton North-Wellesley meet?

fixed

[clifbar]

sorry, it's been a long day - I meant needham :o

[MillerTime6262]

sorry, it's been a long day - I meant needham :o

Needham/Newton North/Walpole. It's on the 25th, "at" Walpole.

[clifbar]

Needham/Newton North/Walpole. It's on the 25th, "at" Walpole.aww, too bad
I probably could've gone if it was at Cutler or CS.

[Warrior]

Made up their meet today at Cold Springs. Any report? 2 races in three days kinda tough.

[MillerTime6262]

I heard North swept norwood and beat braintree but higgins won overall. Hot day though, must've been brutal for the second meet of the week.

[Old Blue Eyes]

NN-15 Norwood-50 NN-20 Braintree-43
!.Higgens B-16:38
2.Putzeys NN-16:54
3.Hamilton NN-17:18
4.Chebot NN-18:00
5.Krasnow NN-18:04
6.Lichtman Nn-18:34
7.Ranti Nn-18:40
8.Stanton Nor.-18:41
9.Dorfman NN-18:52
10.Curley Nor.-19:04

[Old Blue Eyes]

My mistake.

[Glue548]

Mebert

[Warrior]

for NN. Wellesley Tuesday, racing again today and then to have a big meet with Needham next Tuesday. Think that one's going to be really close. New course for everyone at Sharon. Should be interesting.

[Glue548]

Yes, I think everyone on all sides is excited for the NN-Needham-Walpole showdown. Should be a great race, and everyone will be bringing their A-game.

[BananaFerret]

Some Wellesley varsity kids are gonna drive out to Braintree this Saturday to check out the new course. Are you guys practicing around there on Saturday? Brief description of the new course?

[Warrior]

Weymouth boys posting results. Great job! Too bad the girls didn't follow suit. :(

[mcrun33]

I think the NN-Needham girls meet will be closer than people expect. I'm not sure if she's being held out, but I havent seen Susannah Gleason's name in their first two meets at all. Needham is 6-deep, and if North is only 4 deep right now, this could get very scary.

1) Ranti NN
2) Lipman N
3) Godenzi NN
4) Escedy N
5) Barnicle NN
6) Hemley-Bronstein NN
7) Marsh N
8) McTernan N
9) McDavitt N
10) Schwinden N

Throw in a much better Walpole team with their top two in the hunt for 2nd, and it gets more complicated. If Needham wins, they will have knocked off the top 3 teams in the Carey and will pretty much clinch their first ever BSC XC banner. What a great coaching job!

[bcal92]

Yeah, McRun, embrace technology!

If the whole conference was up, you would have instant comparisons across courses, etc.

Some conferences (cough. cough, Catholic) won't even let their results be up.

[AzN at LARGE]

If Needham wins, they will have knocked off the top 3 teams in the Carey and will pretty much clinch their first ever BSC XC banner. What a great coaching job!

I saw this coming.

[BREATHEKICK]

I saw this coming. Me too

[nixster36]

i dont know if any braintree kids post on dye stat and i know my teammate already said this but we (wellesley) are going to braintree tomorow to check out the course, are any braintree xc kids gonna be there tomorow?

[nhs09]

AZN at large you see nothing coming, your predictions suck and I love shwoing you up 24/7 because you doubt me then i smoke you.

[Warrior]

Great day to get in a long run. We need to get a BSC Sunday long run crew going. Maybe meet next Sunday at Walden Pond. Hopefully it will be as nice as today.

[nixster36]

does anyone have have any info on the natick boys this year, i only hear about their top 3 girls

[Emil's Ghost]

does anyone have have any info on the natick boys this year, i only hear about their top 3 girls

http://www.townonline.com/natick/sports/x1649542496

"The [Natick] boys team similarly dominated the Marauders [Dedhan], winning 16-46.

Natick's top four were grouped just 27 seconds apart. Senior Jon Vitale won the 2.5-mile race for the Redmen (1-0) in 14:37, then came senior Nate Perry (14:49), junior Nick Zanchi (15:03) and junior Andrew Robichaud (15:04)."

[Warrior]

= a wealth of information.

[BananaFerret]

Too bad White and Price didn't run the boys race

[nixster36]

http://www.townonline.com/natick/sports/x1649542496

"The [Natick] boys team similarly dominated the Marauders [Dedhan], winning 16-46.

Natick's top four were grouped just 27 seconds apart. Senior Jon Vitale won the 2.5-mile race for the Redmen (1-0) in 14:37, then came senior Nate Perry (14:49), junior Nick Zanchi (15:03) and junior Andrew Robichaud (15:04)."

thanks

[Warrior]

Looks like it's going to be another great day to race tomorrow. Some good meets on tap headlined by the NN v. Needha,m v. Walpole matchup. Interested to see how that turns out.

[MC Hurdler]

What was the result of the norwood-Braintree meet? anyone, anyone...

[Warrior]

has everyone been sending them to Matt Collins and Mike Miller? Also has everyone been told that all results for all BSC sports are supposed to be sent to Needham AD John Palmer for a BSC results page?

[Emil's Ghost]

What was the result of the norwood-Braintree meet? anyone, anyone...

Boys:
Norwood 27 Braintree 29

Girls:
Braintree 23 Norwood 32

http://www.dailynewstranscript.com/sports/x428364685

[nixster36]

miller and putzeys is gonna be a crazy matchup. is the race at cutler or cs?

[MillerTime6262]

miller and putzeys is gonna be a crazy matchup. is the race at cutler or cs?

sharon (i.e. walpole's home course)

[Warrior]

Should be a great meet. Good luck everyone. Post results after.

[Glue548]

Should be a great meet. Good luck everyone. Post results after.

Thank you sir. The results will no doubt be posted without haste.

[MillerTime6262]

Needham wins.

Miller
Putzeys
Hamilton
Riley
Potterton
Gluck
Newfield
?
Lotsbom

Great course but a lot of mishaps for each team. North's Chebot had a broken bone in his foot and didn't race, and Jared Forman was out for some reason. Krasnow dropped out in the middle. Gluesing of Needham dropped out with a rolled ankle and Saraiva ran conservatively. Walpole boys put up a good fight and apparently were pretty close to North. Seems as though Lotsbom had a bit of an off day, but the rest of the Walpole guys ran very aggressively. I think they will turn heads down the road. Was also a very hot day.

Props to Dan Sheilds of Needham for stepping it up and filling the 6th spot and Mike Sullivan for snagging the 7th.


North and Walpole girls beat Needham girls. Not Needham's best stuff today.

[kang6789]

What were the times like?

[nixster36]

congratulations needham thats a big victory, north is very good this year. how close was putzeys to you (miller) that musta been wild.

on the wellesley side, both boys and girls won
for the girls, natick put their two rediculous girls atleast a minute ahead of wellesley but wellesley girls filled in 5 runners after that (deitrich, richardson, lukes, lauer, varner).

on the boys side, it was

carroll 1722
higgens 1744
Littlefield 1817
kreig
jackson cabo
yuri brown
johnson
williamson
there were two natick or braintree guys in there aswell

[Old Blue Eyes]

Needham did a great job. Miller was too tough and the others ran very well. We were missing 3 of our top 5, but Needham would have beaten us anyway. Walpole is also much improved. Coaches from both teams are getting it done.

[Saraiva2010]

Needham wins.
Props to Dan Sheilds of Needham for stepping it up and filling the 6th spot nicely for Needham.


Shields deserved that after a rough fall against weymouth and an only decent race against brookline.

[mcrun33]

Needham wins.

Miller
Putzeys
Hamilton
Riley
Potterton
Gluck
Newfield
?
Lotsbom

Great course but a lot of mishaps for each team. North's Chebot had a broken bone in his foot and didn't race, and Jared Forman was out for some reason. Krasnow dropped out in the middle. Gluesing of Needham dropped out with a rolled ankle and Saraiva ran conservatively. Walpole boys put up a good fight and apparently were pretty close to North. Seems as though Lotsbom had a bit of an off day, but the rest of the Walpole guys ran very aggressively. I think they will turn heads down the road. Was also a very hot day.

Props to Dan Sheilds of Needham for stepping it up and filling the 6th spot nicely for Needham.


North and Walpole girls beat Needham girls. Not Needham's best stuff today.

What were the places for NN-N-W girls? How close was it?

[Warrior]

Congrats to the Needham boys. Impressive. Too bad NN couldn't show their best though. I'll post brookline / Weymouth Dedham stuff in a little while.

Race of the day though was the girls Weymouth prevailed 27 -28 in a very exciting race. I thought it was "fun" to watch.

[MillerTime6262]

What were the places for NN-N-W girls? How close was it?

Not too sure but I know Ranti took first and Lipman second. North got third. I think these results would be best reported by Old Blue Eyes.

[kang6789]

Not too sure but I know Ranti took first and Lipman second. North got third. I think these results would be best reported by Old Blue Eyes.

You know times?

[MillerTime6262]

You know times?

i know i ran 15:47 for 2.93 miles

[Crazylegs1629]

Some conferences (cough. cough, Catholic) won't even let their results be up.

St. John's Prep vs. Malden Catholic

BC High vs. Xaverian

[mcrun33]

Mahoney W
Connolly W
Liebman-Paleaz B
Alexander B
Wang B
Bianco W
Kats B
O'Rourke W
Hutchinson B
McCarthy/Betts W

Both teams were down a top runer as Groopman was out and McCarthy was limited by a sinus infection. Brookline is a pretty strong team on the girls side. I stand by the fact that they are a dark horse candidate for a top 5 all-states spot.

[bcal92]

Suzy Wang!! Incredible!!

[MC Hurdler]

I got a lot of results already but I still need the scores of the following boys meets:
Fram/ Milton
Well/ Natick
Well/Braintree
Natick/ Braintree

Thanks for any info thrown my way

[kang6789]

Wow, Suzy Wang. That's nuts

[farmer]

I got a lot of results already but I still need the scores of the following boys meets:
Fram/ Milton
Well/ Natick
Well/Braintree
Natick/ Braintree

Thanks for any info thrown my way

Fram 15, Milt 49
Well 19, Nat 40
Well 19, Braint 44
Nat 20, Braint 40

[MC Hurdler]

Fram 15, Milt 49
Well 19, Nat 40
Well 19, Braint 44
Nat 20, Braint 40

THANKS!!!!

[Old Blue Eyes]

I got a lot of results already but I still need the scores of the following boys meets:
Fram/ Milton
Well/ Natick
Well/Braintree
Natick/ Braintree

Thanks for any info thrown my way

Need.--23 Newton--33
Newton--26 Walpole--29

[wishihadwater55]

Also, I saw miller had a question mark for the eigth spot of the race, and then Lotsbom for ninth. The eigth spot is Ryan Doherty, sophmore who runs for walpole.

The tenth spot was also Eric Flamen, walpole.

I figured Id clear that up so the scores made sense. :)

[BananaFerret]

Also, I saw miller had a question mark for the eigth spot of the race, and then Lotsbom for ninth. The eigth spot is Ryan Doherty, sophmore who runs for walpole.

The tenth spot was also Eric Flamen, walpole.

I figured Id clear that up so the scores made sense. :)

Woah, props to Doherty on that race then -- was a different finishing order of those 3 when we raced them.

Thanks for the clarification :)

[Warrior]

Good luck to everyone racing at the JV/Frosh meet today at Norwood. Hope alot of teams in the league are going to support the meet.

[mcrun33]

Good luck to everyone racing at the JV ? Frosh meet today at Norwood. Hope alot of teams in the league are going to support the meet.

Weymouth will be there (I know Brookline will).

What about the powerhouse programs like Newton North, Wellesley, Needham, etc? Those schools would make this a more fun meet to go to.

[Warrior]

Weymouth will be there (I know Brookline will).

What about the powerhouse programs like Newton North, Wellesley, Needham, etc? Those schools would make this a more fun meet to go to.

All about the fun.

[Old Blue Eyes]

Freshman race will be interesting. We feel we have 2 good freshmen, but this will be their first test.

[Glue548]

Needham shall not be attending the Norwood race today.
We are going to RI tomorrow, and must rest.

[bcal92]

For hosting the meet.

I think there should be a league F/S meet in the spring as well.

Maybe if I get hired as league commish....

[Warrior]

Any results from the Norwood meet. How about that boys frosh race?

[Old Blue Eyes]

Brookline boy won the frosh race. The top 2 NN freshman ran the JV race and finished 1,2. (the 1.5mile frosh distance was too short)

[mcrun33]

Great meet run by Jim Forest and the Norwood staff. Next year the goal is for 8-10 boys and girls teams. I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed that a few teams didnt bring their kids to race here. My kids had tons of fun, ran on average a minute faster than our last trip to Norwood, and felt really good about attending. I hope next year more teams try to get involved.

[MillerTime6262]

Great meet run by Jim Forest and the Norwood staff. Next year the goal is for 8-10 boys and girls teams. I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed that a few teams didnt bring their kids to race here.\/

needham had every intention of going. i think we got the date wrong or something. expect to see them next year.

[Warrior]

Good luck to all the teams that are going.

Norwood meet date did change and conflicted with Ocean State State for some. Hopefully it will grow each year. Great job by the Norwood staff for putting it on.

[j.j.putz]

Girls
Div 2: #4 Wellesley
Div 1: #15 Newton No., #18 Natick, #19 Needham, #20 Weymouth

Boys
Div 1: #1 Brookline

I'm a bit surprised the Wellesley boys are not listed among Div 2 teams. Methinks the Needham boys should be on the Div 1 list too. Time will tell if they are deserving.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/high_school/

[mcrun33]

Girls
Div 2: #4 Wellesley
Div 1: #15 Newton No., #18 Natick, #19 Needham, #20 Weymouth

Boys
Div 1: #1 Brookline

I'm a bit surprised the Wellesley boys are not listed among Div 2 teams. Methinks the Needham boys should be on the Div 1 list too. Time will tell if they are deserving.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/high_school/

I think the Brookline and Walpole girls should be on their respective polls as well. I think the league is alot deeper than in most years, and I think the state meets will see several top 5 BSC teams.

[nixster36]

also north isnt on the list which is surprising considering they have putzeys chebot and harrington?

[Warrior]

I love the BSC but I think we may be turning into homers as far as how many teams should be on the poll. I know the Brookline girls shouldn't be on the poll. We are 1-2 with our only win over a team that didn't have a complete team. That doesn't make the poll.

[mcrun33]

I love the BSC but I think we may be turning into homers as far as how many teams should be on the poll. I know the Brookline girls shouldn't be on the poll. We are 1-2 with our only win over a team that didn't have a complete team. That doesn't make the poll.

Their effort at Amherst makes them a top 20 team in my opinion.

[Warrior]

That effort got us 9th in the race. Now there were a couple of out of state schools but not so many that it puts us in the top 20. Be realistic. Quite frankly I think others in the league may be too high. We'll see as more competitions happen. I'm not as sure about the D2 teams because I'm not sure of the strength in that division.

[nhs09]

Needham boys won the New Balance Invite Varsity large school race.
2. Miller 16;50's
4. Potterton 17:09
6. Riley 17: 11
17. Gluck
33.? Newfield
The rest I dont know.

[MillerTime6262]

I think Needham should be in the poll. We won the Varsity race at Ocean State today with 81 points, 50 points better than second place.

I came in second, potterton in fourth, riley in sixth, gluck in 17th and newfield in 52nd. Gluesing and Shields ran 18:23, and 18:24 respectively.

I was very disappointed with my 16:53. Although it was hard to push with no one around except riley in the first half of the race.

EDIT: Beat me to it

[OldMiler]

I love the BSC but I think we may be turning into homers as far as how many teams should be on the poll. I know the Brookline girls shouldn't be on the poll. We are 1-2 with our only win over a team that didn't have a complete team. That doesn't make the poll.

no question on the "homers"
If a team is felt worthy of top 20 status it makes sense that you need to drop an existing team out. So which team would that be and why?
It'll be more clear after another round of duals and another Invy.

[farmer]

Congrats to the Needham boys team for winning the Varsity-2 (large school) race at the Ocean State XC Invitational.

[Warrior]

Guess that $5 I just spent to get a rocket sticker was worth it. Congratulations. Good result. A win like that should move Needham into the top 20. Getting those places and winning by that much is huge in a big meet like this regardless of times. Place is what matters not time. This is AWESOME!!!!

The boys MSTCA poll seems to have lots of errors. SJP #4, Brockton #8 and Haverhill #11 all lost duals to unranked teams MC, New Bedford and Methuen respectively. That at least shows there needs to be some movement.

[clifbar]

Congratulations today Needham! They'll definitely be near the top of Emass D2.

[kpot]

Warrior, you got a deal. The stickers are supposed to be $10.

Also, Gluck was in 22nd and Newfield in 47th (confirmed on coolrunning).

[polyxc]

Nice race, Needham!

[Warrior]

Warrior, you got a deal. The stickers are supposed to be $10.

Also, Gluck was in 22nd and Newfield in 47th (confirmed on coolrunning).

You can catch me for the other $5 later. I'm not sure why I'm supporting the opposition monetarily though.

Talking about support - PROPS from Polyxc is HUGE! Needham is making it into the BIG TIME! Next up is having Mike Mahon give you coverage. Keep it up!

[j.j.putz]

Great meet run by Jim Forest and the Norwood staff. Next year the goal is for 8-10 boys and girls teams. I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed that a few teams didnt bring their kids to race here. My kids had tons of fun, ran on average a minute faster than our last trip to Norwood, and felt really good about attending. I hope next year more teams try to get involved.

Are the results available anywhere? I'm especially curious about the race winners and their times. Anyone? I couldn't find them on coolrunning. However, I did find this:

3rd Annual Forget Me Not 5k Road Race
Braintree, MA - September 30, 2007

************** OVERALL RESULTS **************
Place Name Bib# Age Div/Tot Div City St Time Pace
===== =================== ==== === ======== ===== ================
1 KYLE FREDERICKS 43 29 1/7 M2029 ABINGTON MA 18:05 5:50

[Glue548]

Needham, had Ocean State not conflicted, would have loved to attend. Hopefully next year we'll be able to.

And congratulations, all the young people did nice work.

[Warrior]

Are the results available anywhere? I'm especially curious about the race winners and their times. Anyone? I couldn't find them on coolrunning. However, I did find this:

3rd Annual Forget Me Not 5k Road Race
Braintree, MA - September 30, 2007

************** OVERALL RESULTS **************
Place Name Bib# Age Div/Tot Div City St Time Pace
===== =================== ==== === ======== ===== ================
1 KYLE FREDERICKS 43 29 1/7 M2029 ABINGTON MA 18:05 5:50

Nice job Kyle!! What's the most interesting dual meet this week?

[mcrun33]

Walpole-Weymouth should be close on both sides (I'm also anxious to see Braintree's top girls put a good meet together), but Wellesley-Milton-Brookline wont be close, Newton-Dedham-Framingham wont be close and Needham-Norwood-Natick wont be close on the boys side. I'd like to see Needham's girls bounce back and give Natick a tight meet. It should go Natick-Natick-Needham-Needham-Natick-Natick-Needham-Needham-Needham, but that wouldnt be enough. Natick ran Ocean State without a 5th, but when you go 1-2 on everybody, you barely need a fifth.

[j.j.putz]

I'd like to see Needham's girls bounce back and give Natick a tight meet. It should go Natick-Natick-Needham-Needham-Natick-Natick-Needham-Needham-Needham, but that wouldnt be enough. Natick ran Ocean State without a 5th, but when you go 1-2 on everybody, you barely need a fifth.

I think you've got the first three place right, but I'm not sure what will happen next. Who did Natick leave home from Ocean State? Where is this new runner they supposedly have? I didn't see her against Wellesley. And what happened to Needham against Walpole? Lots of questions....

[mcrun33]

I think you've got the first three place right, but I'm not sure what will happen next. Who did Natick leave home from Ocean State? Where is this new runner they supposedly have? I didn't see her against Wellesley. And what happened to Needham against Walpole? Lots of questions....

Looking at Ocean State results, they left Dorothea Letner home (or she DNF'ed) who has been running with their 3-4 runners all season. I dont know if she was/ is hurt, which would be huge. It's still very hard to lose a meet if you go 1-2 and have decent 3-4 kids.

[j.j.putz]

Ok, thanks. I don't think she ran against Wellesley. If healthy, she sure makes them a better team.

[MillerTime6262]

Hopefully, the Needham girls will have a strong meet tomorrow to bounce back from the disappointing loss in the dual meet. Walpole-Weymouth boys should be interesting.


EDIT: Glue548 made this post under my name in his chem class today, I had to chastise the hell out of that little bastard for posting under the wrong identity. Nonetheless, I agree with what he wrote.

[nixster36]

true that should be a good meet, how is weymouth doing this year?

how do you think the wellesley and needham girls would match up, i know needhams girls are pretty good this year

[mcrun33]

true that should be a good meet, how is weymouth doing this year?

how do you think the wellesley and needham girls would match up, i know needhams girls are pretty good this year

Wellesley should go 2-3-4-5-6 at worst. They are loaded!

[Warrior]

Good Luck to everyone today.

[MillerTime6262]

Needham over Natick and Norwood on the boys side (Needham in bold)

Miller 16:40 CR:D
Riley 17:15
Gluck 17:30
Newfield 17:42
Potterton (chillin) 17:51
Shields 18:08
Natick
Gluesing 18:17

such a nice day for a race, i don't remember a better day at cutler in my whole xc career

Girls won 15-50 against Norwood and barely lost to Natick. White won in 18:28!!!

[nixster36]

nice job needham, solid times

for today the race went pretty well. brookline didnt race mercurio, hardaman sp? and gibson. it went:

Burnstein 15:39
Wilson 15:45
Volkmann 16:04
Lehane 16:11
Carroll 16:12
Littlefield 16:39
brookline
wellesley
...

the wellesley girls went 1-8 on brookline and milton

[MC Hurdler]

Walpole Boys over Weymouth Boys at Wampatuck. I have to give the Walpole Boys a lot of credit. They really got up for this meet and executed their plan very well.
Briantree lost to both.
1. Higgins BRA 14:43
2. Keegan WEY 15:20 passing Flamin in final 100m
3. Flaman WAL 15:22
4. Lotbum WAL 15:33
5. Doherty WAL 15:41
6. Julian WEY 16:09
2 more Walpole runners

[BananaFerret]

Woops, someone beat me to it...

Good job Needham boys -- sick top 5, pretty tight!

[MillerTime6262]

nice job needham, solid times

for today the race went pretty well. brookline didnt race mercurio, hardaman sp? and gibson. it went:

Burnstein 15:39
Wilson 15:45
Volkmann 16:04
Lehane 16:11
Carroll 16:12
Littlefield 16:39
brookline
wellesley
...

the wellesley girls went 1-8 on brookline and milton

was this at elm bank/larz/houghtons?

[BananaFerret]

nice job needham, solid times

for today the race went pretty well. brookline didnt race mercurio, hardaman sp? and gibson. it went:

Burnstein 15:39
Wilson 15:45
Volkmann 16:04
Lehane 16:11
Carroll 16:12
Littlefield 16:39
brookline
wellesley
...

the wellesley girls went 1-8 on brookline and milton

After Littlefield was Brookline's Brendan Grove, then I believe another 5 brookline were before that wellesley number 4.

[BananaFerret]

was this at elm bank/larz/houghtons?

Houghton's... great weather for racing in my opinion, too.

[Warrior]

Wellesly #4 11th Cabo?

[BananaFerret]

How long is the Wampatuck course, by the way?

Wellesly #4 11th Cabo?

Yea, I think Wellesley #5 was 12th Brown.

[nixster36]

did newton north have a race today?

[mcrun33]

How long is the Wampatuck course, by the way?

Yea, I think Wellesley #5 was 12th Brown.

Wampatuck is 2.8- Barnicle has CR in 14:15 (I say add 2:00 for FP for good girls, closer to 90 seconds for boys).

Weymouth girls beat Walpole 27-28 in an awesome race. 8 girls broke 19 at WSP (when we raced NN on a perfect day at the end of the season last year, 10 did it). Walpole has a minute gap from 4-5, but if they fill it in, they'll be in the hunt to make it to D2 states. Seriiously a very good team.

I'd love Needham-Natick girls results.

[burnstein]

nice job needham, solid times

for today the race went pretty well. brookline didnt race mercurio, hardaman sp? and gibson. it went:

Burnstein 15:39
Wilson 15:45
Volkmann 16:04
Lehane 16:11
Carroll 16:12
Littlefield 16:39
brookline
wellesley
...

the wellesley girls went 1-8 on brookline and milton

What is meet record for Houghton's pond? Basically, I'm curious if I got the meet record (not including times from league meet).

[Mercury08]

What is meet record for Houghton's pond? Basically, I'm curious if I got the meet record (not including times from league meet).

if anyone knows the dual meet record for houghtons pond ill give them a dollar and a nice pat on the back.

[BananaFerret]

if anyone knows the dual meet record for houghtons pond ill give them a dollar and a nice pat on the back.

Can I have the pat on the back for free?

[mcrun33]

Daily News reports that Dedham-Newton ran a dual because Framingham failed to show up. How does that happen? Anyone?

[mcrun33]

I wasnt being critical. I was asking how that happened.

[j.j.putz]

I'd love Needham-Natick girls results.

From MetroWest News:

NATICK 24, NEEDHAM 31; NATICK 15, NORWOOD 42: Natick's Becca White finished first overall in 18:28, followed by teammate Anya Price, who was second in 19:04, as the Redmen swept a Bay State Conference tri-meet over host Needham and Norwood. Rounding out the top five for Natick on the 3.1-mile course were Nora Seymour (5th, 21:05), Kim McGill (7th, 21:25) and Dorothea Letner (9th, 22:04).

Course record?

[Emil's Ghost]

if anyone knows the dual meet record for houghtons pond ill give them a dollar and a nice pat on the back.

I believe the course record for Houghton's Pond is 15:08, set by Brookline senior George McArdle in 2001 at the BSC league championship. That was a great race, as McArdle held off Natick's Anthony Vitale (15:10) for the win. Third place was 15:57!

As for the dual meet record, I'm going to guess that it belongs to Chris Barnicle, who ran 15:26 against Milton and Brockton on 9/24/2002. Second in that race was a relatively unknown junior from Brockton named Keith Gill, who ran 16:00.

[Glue548]

Yes, two course records were set yesterday. White for girls and Miller for boys.

Impressive, to say the least.

[Old Blue Eyes]

I wasnt being critical. I was asking how that happened.

For some unexplained reason Framingham thought the meet was being held at Framingham.

[nixster36]

i thought breathekick was banned....

[j.j.putz]

Boys D1: Brookline #1, Needham #13

Girls D1: Newton No. #10, Natick #19, Needham #20

Girls D2: Wellesley #4

Newton girls move up 5 (!) places while Natick and Needham each drop one? Weymouth falls out of the top 20.

Good to see the Needham boys on the board. How about the Wellesley men?

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/high_school/

[mcrun33]

Natick's girls probably deserve a higher ranking, but Needham is right where they should be. Needham, Brookline, Walpole, Weymouth, and Natick (I suppose) are all pretty similar and should be ranked accordingly. I hate to say this, but what has Newton North done to deserve a top 10 ranking? Until they run a big meet, who knows how good they are?

[BananaFerret]

Any Framingham kids know when Wellesley and Framingham match up? On the schedule I have, Framingham doesn't appear anywhere, for some reason. O.o

Thanks

[nixster36]

Boys D1: Brookline #1, Needham #13

Girls D1: Newton No. #10, Natick #19, Needham #20

Girls D2: Wellesley #4

Newton girls move up 5 (!) places while Natick and Needham each drop one? Weymouth falls out of the top 20.

Good to see the Needham boys on the board. How about the Wellesley men?

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/high_school/

its hard to say how we would stack up on that poll, the first invite we run is the catholic memorial race on the 20th. we should get a better idea then and when we race needham on the 24th. our top 3 is getting stronger and tighter, but our 4 and 5 are thus far relatively unreliable.

as for the wellesley girls, if they are ranked 4th, id really like to see what those other 3 teams have for a team, they must be absolutely unbelievable.

[BananaFerret]

our top 3 is getting stronger and tighter

That's what she said.

(c'mon, the office was JUST on)

[mcrun33]

"Weymouth falls out of the top 20"

Not that I care, but what did they do wrong (by they I mean we)? We only won 7 straight meets, including one over a team (Walpole) that just beat Needham's girls. BTW, Walpole's girls should be in the top 20 for D2. I hope they put something together at an invite.

[j.j.putz]

Rise magazine's Greater Boston poll (October 2007)

Top 10
Boys: Burnstein, Gibson, Lehane
Girls: White

Next 10
Boys: Mercurio
Girls: Mahoney, Price

[OldMiler]

"Weymouth falls out of the top 20"

Not that I care, but what did they do wrong (by they I mean we)? We only won 7 straight meets, including one over a team (Walpole) that just beat Needham's girls. BTW, Walpole's girls should be in the top 20 for D2. I hope they put something together at an invite.

you don't have to do anything wrong to drop out of the top 20.
Comparing the polls I see teams that have jumped in from unranked leapfrogging others because of posting superior performances - some of those at the recent Invys.

[Warrior]

Make up meet at Framingham this afternnon. Could be an interesting meet on the girls side and between Natick and Framingham on the boys.

[oracle]

[...]
as for the wellesley girls, if they are ranked 4th, id really like to see what those other 3 teams have for a team, they must be absolutely unbelievable.

I would not call Bromfield and Oliver-Ames unbelievable, but they are very good teams and at this point appear to be better than Wellesley. Bromfield is the defending D2 state champ and while are not as strong as last year, are led by the best distance runner in the state and FL finalist Emily Jones. The top two are well ahead of Wellesley's top two, and the 3-4-5 for Bromfield are all sub-21. They ran a 5k invite last week and finished 18:04, 19:04, 20:20, 20:47, 20:51. Not bad for this point in the season. I believe two of those girls ran under 20 last year. As a point of reference, Needham's Emily Lipman ran 19:50 at the same invite.

Oliver-Ames is led by a potential sub-19 runner of their own, Jenna Davidner from the 3rd place D2 team from last year. Their top 5 returning runners ran 19:14, 19:41, 20:29, 21:16, and 22:09 at EMass last year. Wellesley might be able to attack that spread with their depth if OA hasn't pulled in the caboose this year.

I haven't seen much about Holliston, and based on last year's returnees you could make an argument to rank Wellesley ahead of them, but a #4 ranking right now does not seem out of bounds to me.

[mcrun33]

Make up meet at Framingham this afternnon. Could be an interesting meet on the girls side and between Natick and Framingham on the boys.

If White and Price go 1-2 (which they should) can Brookline get 3-4-5 and break up Natick's 4-5? I do think it will be an interesting meet. The meet's at Frmaingham, but if it was at Larz I'd give Brookline an advantage. Only a great GREAT team can go in and beat Brookline's girls at Larz.

[Warrior]

Your enthusiasm is unbridled. However I'm not sure GREAT is what it takes to beat the Brookline girls anywhere at this point. The boys being defeated would take a GREAT team. I think there are some nice girls teams in the league this year. Alot of parity whcih makes for "fun" meets. The Weymouth girls have already won 2 meets 27-28. Good competition should bring out the best in everyone - not only in performances but in growth as people.

[mcrun33]

Your enthusiasm is unbridled. However I'm not sure GREAT is what it takes to beat the Brookline girls anywhere at this point. The boys being defeated would take a GREAT team. I think there are some nice girls teams in the league this year. Alot of parity whcih makes for "fun" meets. The Weymouth girls have already won 2 meets 27-28. Good competition should bring out the best in everyone - not only in performances but in growth as people.

Agreed... I've seen alot of character from my kids in winning two 27-28 meets. I think greatness is of course relative. I guess it takes a GREAT team to get up for Larz and have a big performance there, since it is a tough course to race. The past two years, my girls have embraced it (I dont think we're really a GREAT team in terms of talent, but attitude... we're getting there) as opposed to 2003, when the #3-4-6-7 runners DNF'd because it was "too hard" and our #1 ran 3rd for us. I'd rather coach toughness than talent any day!

[Warrior]

AGREED. Having a great attitude and building character through sport is so much more important than results.

[mcrun33]

Warrior... will you post the Natick-Brookline-Framingham girls scores when you get the chance. I'm supposed to be keeping the standings up to date, and this is the only meet I dont have.

[Warrior]

Notr exactly sure .. Coach DeYoung took the results. But natick beat brookline and framingham and Brookline beat Framingham if that helps with records. I'm sure our times will be posted on athletic.net by tomorrow. I know White raced 17:04 for her upteenth course record.

[nixster36]

I would not call Bromfield and Oliver-Ames unbelievable, but they are very good teams and at this point appear to be better than Wellesley. Bromfield is the defending D2 state champ and while are not as strong as last year, are led by the best distance runner in the state and FL finalist Emily Jones. The top two are well ahead of Wellesley's top two, and the 3-4-5 for Bromfield are all sub-21. They ran a 5k invite last week and finished 18:04, 19:04, 20:20, 20:47, 20:51. Not bad for this point in the season. I believe two of those girls ran under 20 last year. As a point of reference, Needham's Emily Lipman ran 19:50 at the same invite.

Oliver-Ames is led by a potential sub-19 runner of their own, Jenna Davidner from the 3rd place D2 team from last year. Their top 5 returning runners ran 19:14, 19:41, 20:29, 21:16, and 22:09 at EMass last year. Wellesley might be able to attack that spread with their depth if OA hasn't pulled in the caboose this year.

I haven't seen much about Holliston, and based on last year's returnees you could make an argument to rank Wellesley ahead of them, but a #4 ranking right now does not seem out of bounds to me.

well, i clearly hadnt done my research. Thanks for the clarification. it will be interesting to see what kind of times the girls run at catholic memorial, seeing as 3 of the top 7 are freshman

[j.j.putz]

Warrior... will you post the Natick-Brookline-Framingham girls scores when you get the chance. I'm supposed to be keeping the standings up to date, and this is the only meet I dont have.

From the MetroWest Daily news:

NATICK GIRLS 16, BROOKLINE 39; NATICK 15, FRAMINGHAM 40; BROOKLINE 16, FRAMINGHAM 40: Rebecca White ran a 17:06, establishing a new Framingham course record, as she led Natick to wins over both the Flyers and Brookline.

Teammate Anya Price's time of 17:43 also bested the previous record of 18:06. Framingham (2-3) was led by Camille Murphy's time of 20:39, good for sixth against the Redmen.

FRAMINGHAM BOYS 25, NATICK 30; BROOKLINE 18, FRAMINGHAM 43; BROOKLINE 16, NATICK 46: Framingham's Stewart McKenzie finished third overall in 16:36 and Jon Vitale finished sixth for Natick in 16:48, but the Flyers won the Bay State Conference rivalry showdown, while powerhouse Brookline swept this tri-meet.



http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sports/x83070407

[nixster36]

rebecca white ran a 17:06 at franklin park!!??
that was my 5-k pr last year....

[Crouching tiger]

rebecca white ran a 17:06 at Framingham!!??
that was my 5-k pr last year....

fixed

[nixster36]

ohh ok, i was buggin out for a second. that would have been rediculous

[Warrior]

rebecca white ran a 17:06 at franklin park!!??
that was my 5-k pr last year....

Don't be surprised if she comes close to running that at FP this year. She has been burning it up. Go Becca!!!!

[xxcc]

Don't be surprised if she comes close to running that at FP this year. She has been burning it up. Go Becca!!!!

What? She ran 18:40 at Ocean State, finishing 6th.

[clifbar]

I'd be surprised if even Emily Jones came close to 17:06 at FP. There are very few girls in this state that I think are even capable of breaking 18:00.

[Warrior]

What? She ran 18:40 at Ocean State, finishing 6th.

OK, OK maybe I had a little mcrun in me for a second. She'd still goin to do AWESOME.

[mcrun33]

OK, OK maybe I had a little mcrun in me for a second. She'd still goin to do AWESOME.

YEah, you cant blame me for that one. Go Brookline girls!

[Warrior]

You can be blamed for everything.

[nixster36]

what are the matchups for this week

wellesley is facing weymouth and norwood at norwood

[mcrun33]

NO, its a dual meet week. Wellesley has Norwood, Weymouth has Newton North. The rest are Dedham-Milton, Natick-Walpole, Braintree-Brookline, Needham-Framingham.

Weymouth-Newton should be a good meet (girls at least... I hope), Dedham and Milton are each searching for first wins (boys and girls I think), maybe Walpole girls can pull off an upset.

[nixster36]

sorry, i meant to correct that, we race only norwood, north has weymouth this week.

[nixster36]

i dont know about walpole girls pulling off a w. it should be pretty close walpole #1 and natick #3

[mcrun33]

Walpole's 1-4 runners are packing pretty close right now. If they can go 3-6 (unlikely but possible) they have a shot. Their #5 is a bit back, but just needs to beat #5 if that's the case.

[nixster36]

how is naticks 4 and 5? i was warming up for our race when they came in

[Warrior]

Looks like it may be some nasty weather for tomorrow. get ready for some mud.

[MillerTime6262]

Looks like it may be some nasty weather for tomorrow. get ready for some mud.

Cutler is gonna be a MESSS

[Warrior]

Cutler is gonna be a MESSS

Bring your fins. goggles and, snorkle.

[nhs09]

I plan on barely breaking 25 if I run to silence cvc.

[TWOMILER]

Bring your fins. goggles and, snorkle.:p

[j.j.putz]

Boys D1: Brookline #1, Needham #13

Girls D1: Newton North #10, Natick #16, Needham #20

Girls D2: Wellesley #4

Natick girls move up. No other changes.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/high_school/

[BananaFerret]

Rain, rain, go away
Come again some other day

[jim]

Rain, rain, go away
Come again some other day

What rain? :confused:

[Glue548]

I'm praying for some rain. The course is more fun when slippery and wet.

[TWOMILER]

I'm praying for some rain. The course is more fun when slippery and wet. Now that deserves a plus rep right there

[MillerTime6262]

Both Needham teams won big.

More results?

[mcrun33]

Girls WEY-NN (Wampatuck SP, 2.8 miles)

Newton 26, Weymouth 29

Both teams ran really well despite off days from their #1 runners.

1) Connolly W 17:36
2) Godenzi N 17:43
3) Hemley Bronstein N 17:47
4) Mahoney W 17:59
5) Ranti N 18:15
6) Barnicle N 18:36
7) Bianco W 18:50
8) McCarthy W 18:52
9) O'Rourke W 19:00
10) Park N 19:09
11) Gleason N 19:19

Can we get ranked now please?

[Old Blue Eyes]

NN--18 Weymouth--42
1. Putseys N 15.04
2. Hamilton N .13
3. Keegan W .28
4. Krasnow N .35
5. Chebot N .45
6. Forman N .47
7. Lichtman N .48
8. Julian W 16.06
9. Hadar W .10
10. Connolly W .24

[nixster36]

both wellesley boys and girls won today at norwood (5-k)

Carroll W 17:23
Littlefield W 17:52
Brown W
Krieg W
Norwood
Cabo W

*will update times
volkmann was forced to drop out 1.5 miles in with a sprained ankle

the girls had atleast 10-12 runners in front norwood #1
(dietrich, lukes, richardson, lauer, kaliski, varner)

[Warrior]

Girls WEY-NN (Wampatuck SP, 2.8 miles)

Newton 26, Weymouth 29

Both teams ran really well despite off days from their #1 runners.

1) Connolly W 17:36
2) Godenzi N 17:43
3) Hemley Bronstein N 17:47
4) Mahoney W 17:59
5) Ranti N 18:15
6) Barnicle N 18:36
7) Bianco W 18:50
8) McCarthy W 18:52
9) O'Rourke W 19:00
10) Park N 19:09
11) Gleason N 19:19

Can we get ranked now please?

NO

Wow what a weird race. Never would think Carolyn or Kristen would run poorly. Hope they just had off days. Interesting groupings and efforts for both teams.

I'm not sure this shows strength for Weymouth to get this close to NN or that NN is more vulnerable. Looks like both teams are continuing to improve in the back of their packs which will help improve teams in long run. Best of luck to both.

[BananaFerret]

both wellesley boys and girls won today at norwood (5-k)

Carroll W 17:23
Littlefield W 17:52
Brown W
Krieg W
Norwood
Cabo W

*will update times
volkmann was forced to drop out 1.5 miles in with a sprained ankle

the girls had atleast 10-12 runners in front norwood #1
(dietrich, lukes, richardson, lauer, kaliski, varner)

Littlefield was :56, Brown 18:03, Krieg 18:49, the cabo / norwood finish came down to a sprint, didn't get times on that though.

I sure hope volkmann isn't injured too badly...

[Warrior]

Boys:
Gibson 14:36 CR breaks own record of 15:10
Higgins 15:37
Lehane 16:37
Benjamin 16:40
Mercurio 16:54
Sege 16:58
Mainguy 17:15

Brookline 19 Braintree 41

Girls:
Sweeney BRA 19:42
Liebman-Palaez B 19:55
Warren B 20:19
Kats B 20:27
Alexander B 20:35
Wang B 20:49
Wrick BRA 21:15
Bellefotto BRA 21:53
Steverman B 21:53


Brookline 20 Braintree 38

full results for Brookline always posted at athletic.net

[BananaFerret]

course record by 50 seconds?

WOW.

[MillerTime6262]

Boys:
Gibson 14:36 CR breaks own record of 15:26


wow.

EDIT: I think he already broke the 15:26 course record though, when Brookline raced Needham.

[TWOMILER]

Boys:
Gibson 14:36 CR breaks own record of 15:26
Higgins 15:37
Lehane 16:37
Benjamin 16:40
Mercurio 16:54
Sege 16:58
Mainguy 17:15

Brookline 19 Braintree 41

Girls:
Sweeney BRA 19:42
Liebman-Palaez B 19:55
Warren B 20:19
Kats B 20:27
Alexander B 20:35
Wang B 20:49
Wrick BRA 21:15
Bellefotto BRA 21:53
Steverman B 21:53


Brookline 20 Braintree 38

full results for Brookline always posted at athletic.net How long was the course?

[BananaFerret]

as mcrun would say,

2.8, going on 3.8

[BananaFerret]

wow.

EDIT: I think he already broke the 15:26 course record though, when Brookline raced Needham.

You're right, athletic.net says he finished in 15:10, Wilson in :15, and Burnstein in :18.

[Warrior]

wow.

EDIT: I think he already broke the 15:26 course record though, when Brookline raced Needham.

OOOpps. Millertime is correct. Record was 15:10.

[Warrior]

You're right, athletic.net says he finished in 15:10, Wilson in :15, and Burnstein in :18.

See how useful athletic.net is. Encourage your coaches to use it.

[xcrunna]

See how useful athletic.net is. Encourage your coaches to use it.
Hey coach, are you guys racing Saturday? I didn't see you guys listed in Manhattan, so I wasn't sure. Sensational time for Gibson there.

[kang6789]

That is absolutely ridiculous. I remember 2 years ago when a race for the ages occurred when Gibson and Polgar ran 15:30. I also remember when sub 16:00 there was supposed to make someone one of the better guys in the state (not elite). This year has set a new standard for Larz. 14:36 is literally unbelievable.

[Warrior]

Hey coach, are you guys racing Saturday? I didn't see you guys listed in Manhattan, so I wasn't sure. Sensational time for Gibson there.

We are racing, just not at Manhattan.

[bcal92]

Gibson can't join the ranks of the sub-13?

Did Jonathan Riley run at VCP?

[mcrun33]

NO

Wow what a weird race. Never would think Carolyn or Kristen would run poorly. Hope they just had off days. Interesting groupings and efforts for both teams.

I'm not sure this shows strength for Weymouth to get this close to NN or that NN is more vulnerable. Looks like both teams are continuing to improve in the back of their packs which will help improve teams in long run. Best of luck to both.

Carolyn wasnt feeling 100% and Kristen just had an off day. I think the times reflect that both teams are strong. Maybe not top-10 teams but certainly good enough to be in the top 20 (as is Brookline's girls). There are opportunities coming forward to prove it on the big stage though. Looking at BHS's results, if Groopman comes back they are a top-5 EMass contender. I've been saying it all year.

[nixster36]

what teams have run at norwood thus far this season?

[mcrun33]

what teams have run at norwood thus far this season?

We have... its a really slow 5K. Really slow.

[nixster36]

yeah, thats what the norwood coach was saying aswell.
i was asking mainly to see how my time would translate to a course such as franklin park

[MillerTime6262]

We have... its a really slow 5K. Really slow.

I remember we ran it last year and it was quite muddy and very narrow in spots.

[nixster36]

this course is changed a bit from last year. they dont run around the baseball fields, they run a loop around the woods instead and then do the bigger loop as before. also, the course last year was 3.03 miles, not 3.1 like they said in the beginning. this years course is 3.1

[BananaFerret]

4000th post in this thread!

and yea, looking at other peoples times at norwood from what i can gather on dyestat / athletic.net, it's a really slow course.

[TWOMILER]

4000th post in this thread!

and yea, looking at other peoples times at norwood from what i can gather on dyestat / athletic.net, it's a really slow course.
How long is Larz!! I want to see what Robby Gibsons' time there translates for the 5k



Plus I here its tough

[BananaFerret]

How long is Larz!! I want to see what Robby Gibsons' time there translates for the 5k



Plus I hear** its tough

2.8, for the second time tonight :D

[TWOMILER]

2.8, for the second time tonight :D
So what does his time translate out to be

[MillerTime6262]

this course is changed a bit from last year. they dont run around the baseball fields, they run a loop around the woods instead and then do the bigger loop as before. also, the course last year was 3.03 miles, not 3.1 like they said in the beginning. this years course is 3.1

I've heard different things about the distance of that course last year, some said 3.03, some said 3.07, some said 3.1. I wouldn't be surprised if it was short though.

[BananaFerret]

So what does his time translate out to be

16:12, but you have to keep in mind that Larz (although 2.8) is super hilly.

[BananaFerret]

I've heard different things about the distance of that course last year, some said 3.03, some said 3.07, some said 3.1. I wouldn't be surprised if it was short though.

The coach said they wheeled it out after the first few races (including Wellesley) and found it to be 3.03, even though the first racers thought it was 3.1 (sorry for any PRs that actually ARENT prs, lol). I'm not sure if they added length to make it an even 3.1 after they measured it out for the rest of the season's races, though.

[TWOMILER]

16:12, but you have to keep in mind that Larz (although 2.8) is super hilly. Thanks

[Winston]

16:12, but you have to keep in mind that Larz (although 2.8) is super hilly.

larz is aproximatly .83 miles up hill and .8 miles down hill. thank you google earth :D
i might be totally wrong though

[MillerTime6262]

The coach said they wheeled it out after the first few races (including Wellesley) and found it to be 3.03, even though the first racers thought it was 3.1 (sorry for any PRs that actually ARENT prs, lol). I'm not sure if they added length to make it an even 3.1 after they measured it out for the rest of the season's races, though.

No big deal man, we raced them mid to late season last year, they might've changed it, they might've not. i do remember discussion about the length though. i was just kinda bummed because i had the course record at whatever course i raced, which did include the baseball fields but also a loop or two of the woods and some fields.

[nixster36]

yeah that was the "old" course that was 3.03 or whatever. i actually had the first course record, which you later broke...

a kid from brockton holds the course record now (on the new course) at norwood at 17:06.