State rankings should come out today

[NYrunner]

any predictions for top 10?

[WallofCorn XC]

i thought they came out on monday morning

Eedit: Shen #1

[MikeGamms]

hilton number 1 is my guess... but thats a given.

[Big K]

1. Collegiate
2. Shen
3. Warwick
4. FM
5. Chaminade
6. Shaker
7. Liverpool
8. Queensbury
9. St. Anthony's
10. Kellenberg

Honorable Mentions:
Smithtown
Guilderland
Burnt Hills

[dand]

New York State Girls Rankings can be found at:
www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/XC06-NYSG.htm

[WallofCorn XC]

No huge suprises


Class A the top 3 teams from Section 2


Looks like Section 2 Championships is the state championship

[toetheline]

boys ranings will be done after 9:30 so you're gonna have to wait for a bit. Waiting to get some of the different classes in yet...

[NYrunner]

New York State Girls Rankings can be found at:
www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/XC06-NYSG.htm
No Bethlehem? Plus Shen behind Colonie is suprise. Shen would have been a head of Colonie with their complete team so I guess this is a message to them to run their complete team at invites and not put your top runners in jv and frosh races. FM is ranked a head of NE ranked Colonie. I think the rankings will jump around a lot this year with so many evenly matched teams in each class.

[toetheline]

http://www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/XC06-NYSB.htm

no AA yet, maybe 15 minutes
No C or D tonight - we never got them....tomorrow sometime.....

[iruntheduece]

1. Collegiate
2. Shen
3. Warwick
4. FM
5. Chaminade
6. Shaker
7. Liverpool
8. Queensbury
9. St. Anthony's
10. Kellenberg

Honorable Mentions:
Smithtown
Guilderland
Burnt Hills

i see smithtown up further than st. anthonys

Smithtown
16:59.32 182.2 182 Brendan Martin 12 Smithtown
17:27.33 172.9 173 Giovanni Signoretti 11 Smithtown
17:43.47 167.5 168 Dan Frost 12 Smithtown
17:55.62 163.5 163 Brenden Connell 10 Smithtown
18:01.26 161.6 162 Nick Roertgen 11 Smithtown
18:07.90 159.4 159 Brendan Ward 11 Smithtown

St. Anthonys
16:18.53 170.8 171 Keegan, Timothy 12 St. Anthony's
16:31.14 166.6 167 Gwinn, Kevin 12 St. Anthony's 16:33.12 166.0 166 Jones, Nicholas 12 St. Anthony's
17:00.67 156.8 157 Shouler, Thomas 12 St. Anthony's
17:05.97 155.0 155 Panzini, Nicholas 12 St. Anthony's

[toetheline]

AA is up....

[iruntheduece]

haha why is ithaca 9th?

[cxc06]

is AA instead of the fab 5? because Collegiate is c.

[GirlsXC_coach]

I was surprised Fairport boys were so far down the list. Saturday they were 5 points behind CNS, but they are 5 places behind CNS in the poll. Seems like either one of those teams are misplaced or there is alot of competition in spots 8-13 in Class AA.

[GirlsXC_coach]

New York State Girls Rankings can be found at:
www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/XC06-NYSG.htm

Dan did you ever consider doing a fab 5? Like the boys have done in the past? Seems especially relevant this year with Hilton Saratoga, East Aurora, HFL, Bronxville, Greenwich etc.

[kk.]

I was surprised Fairport boys were so far down the list. Saturday they were 5 points behind CNS, but they are 5 places behind CNS in the poll. Seems like either one of those teams are misplaced or there is alot of competition in spots 8-13 in Class AA.

CNS is ranked a little high right now but you can justify them being that far ahead of Fairport.

CNS Fairport
172 - 182
170 - 157
159 - 153
152 - 153
150 - 153

The score might have been close but the speed ratings make CNS look better.. also one of the CNS runners had a very off day and finished 6th for the team. So if you took that into account CNS would look better.

CNS Fairport
172 - 182
170 - 157
159 - 153
158 - 153
152 - 153

Smithtown and Guilderland should both be ahead of CNS

[themanontherun]

... also one of the CNS runners had a very off day and finished 6th for the team. So if you took that into account CNS would look better.

Fairport's 5th man had a bad fall... he is usually their 2nd. We can play this game with any team (they coulda run this if that hadn't happened) but we are ranking teams based on what happened in the race. Good to keep that in mind about CNS though. They and Fairport should both be good this year.

[kk.]

I only knew about the CNS one because I am from section 3.

Has Fairport ran any other invites this year? CNS has ran in a couple other invites so that was what I was basing their 3rd guy from, if Fairport hasn't raced in other invites yet that could explain the difference.

[themanontherun]

I only knew about the CNS one because I am from section 3.

Has Fairport ran any other invites this year? CNS has ran in a couple other invites so that was what I was basing their 3rd guy from, if Fairport hasn't raced in other invites yet that could explain the difference.
I graduated from Fairport in '05, and I keep up in team info as my sister is runs there now for the girls' team. Fairport's first invite of the year was cancelled and they have only run one duel meet.

[Big K]

i see smithtown up further than st. anthonys

Smithtown
16:59.32 182.2 182 Brendan Martin 12 Smithtown
17:27.33 172.9 173 Giovanni Signoretti 11 Smithtown
17:43.47 167.5 168 Dan Frost 12 Smithtown
17:55.62 163.5 163 Brenden Connell 10 Smithtown
18:01.26 161.6 162 Nick Roertgen 11 Smithtown
18:07.90 159.4 159 Brendan Ward 11 Smithtown

St. Anthonys
16:18.53 170.8 171 Keegan, Timothy 12 St. Anthony's
16:31.14 166.6 167 Gwinn, Kevin 12 St. Anthony's 16:33.12 166.0 166 Jones, Nicholas 12 St. Anthony's
17:00.67 156.8 157 Shouler, Thomas 12 St. Anthony's
17:05.97 155.0 155 Panzini, Nicholas 12 St. Anthony's

I put St. A's ahead of smithtown because st. a's had a faster 5 man avg. at bear than they did last year. Last year the week after Bear mountain they swept suffolk coaches with their top guy running 17:06 and having all 5 under 17:45. Those times from last year are better than smithtown's at the meadow. I know you are comparing speed ratings, but the speed ratings seem really high for that course. I ran on the course on wednesday and the day after and it is in good shape so i wonder why the speed ratings were high. Last year fleming took a 16:18 (171 speed rating) using this year's rating into the meadow and ran 17:06 (about 180) using this year's rating. Shouler took a 16:55 (159 speed rating) using this year's rating into the meadow and ran 17:30 (172 speed rating) using this year's rating.

[kk.]

yes.. tullyrunners.com

[kk.]

are you serious?

Right at the top it says:

XC Leaderboard 2006 Page
Girls Individuals (NY STATE) (Sept 18)
Boys Individuals (NY STATE) (Sept 18)
Girls Individuals (Section 3)
Boys Individuals (Section 3)

or on the menu there is also

Girls XC Rankings:
Sec 3 Individual 2006
State Individual 2006

Boys XC Rankings:
Sec 3 Individual 2006
State Individual 2006

[spartanxc]

Girls XC coach,

A fab 5 would be fun. I would rank them.

Hilton
Toga
Bronxville
Greenwich
Burnt Hills ( I put them ahead of Bayshore and Holy Names based on early season speed ratings)

Honorable Mention:
Holy Names
Bayshore
HFL

[BigRed]

Girls XC coach,

A fab 5 would be fun. I would rank them.

Hilton
Toga
Bronxville
Greenwich
Burnt Hills ( I put them ahead of Bayshore and Holy Names based on early season speed ratings)

Honorable Mention:
Holy Names
Bayshore
HFL
FM speed ratings would put them ahead of Burnt Hills, Holy Names, and HFL.

[toetheline]

Class C and Class D as well as a Fab Five have been added.....

[dand]

NY State Girl's week two can be found at:

http://www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/NYSG-XC06.htm

[GirlsXC_coach]

NY State Girl's week two can be found at:

http://www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/NYSG-XC06.htm

Anyone know about the Boys rankings??

[TrAcKoPuNeK]

Are these rankings based on actual results run or hype and expectations? Because there is no way you can tell me Bronxville is better than Greenwich or Saratoga better than Hilton based on results thus far. Im sure there are others that I dont know enough about. And how can a team be ranked high when they havent even raced yet? This isnt pre-sesaon rankings, so what are you basing a ranking on if their are no performances?

[dand]

Bronxville came into the season ranked ahead of Greenwich in all polls. They
haven't lost yet, why would you drop them. For the same reason, Hilton is
still ranked ahead of Saratoga. Why you think that Saratoga is ranked ahead
of Hilton is beyond me. Finally, who is ranked high that hasn't run yet?

[john walton]

Has anyone yet figured out who these highly ranked unraced teams are ?

[Find A Reason]

Umm.. i can promise there will be a little surprise for everyone this saturday

[kk.]

Umm.. i can promise there will be a little surprise for everyone this saturday

And where will this surprise be? McQuaid? Warwick?

[nyrunner09]

wen are the boys rankings coming out for week 2

[pelican]

Interesting how in the N.Y.S.S.W.A. poll Byram is ranked 12th in the state, with Pearl River not in the top 20, while in the class B poll PR is ranked 1st, Byram 2nd. Whatever could it mean?

[someguy]

week 2 rankings on tullyrunners

[yankees4]

Interesting how in the N.Y.S.S.W.A. poll Byram is ranked 12th in the state, with Pearl River not in the top 20, while in the class B poll PR is ranked 1st, Byram 2nd. Whatever could it mean?
It could mean that Mr. Cuffe and Mr. Comstock don't have the same feelings about Pearl River, or that Mr. Cuffe simply forgot about Pearl River.

[dand]

New York State Girl's XC Rankings Week 3 can now be found at:

www.armorytrack.com/armoryfoundation/leaderboards/XC06-NYSG.htm

[themanontherun]

Probably the latter...
If you think he forgot, then e-mail him and remind him. He can use all the help he can get, it has to be tough ranking all the top teams in the state, and when you are doing that much, you can make mistakes sometimes.

[nyrunner09]

wen will the boys week three rankings be out?

[kk.]

They are up now.. I don't know why FM moved down to 7th?

[WallofCorn XC]

http://www.tullyrunners.com/NYSSWA_XC.htm

[themanontherun]

Ithaca lost to Fairport head to head, why are they ahead of them?

[chester]

Ithaca lost to Fairport head to head, why are they ahead of them?
Because by the looks of it it appears that these rankings were thrown together 8 minutes ago.

[iruntheduece]

dont be hatin chester just cause st. anthonys isnt ranked that high. theres still plenty of time to move up.

[phil4856]

These are pretty poor rankings... come on now.

[i am amazing]

wat did smithtown do to move up 7 spots....and how does arlington go from not even in top 15 to numer 5 in the state..these rankings are a joke

[the b man]

agreed. these rankings are a joke! how does liverpool move down 5 spots to only 1 spot ahead of cns. liverpool is capable of sweeping cns!

[toetheline]

http://www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/XC06-NYSB.html

[BigRed]

wat did smithtown do to move up 7 spots....and how does arlington go from not even in top 15 to numer 5 in the state..these rankings are a joke
Does Cuffe realize they run xc meets north of Orange county?

[themanontherun]

Does Cuffe realize they run xc meets north of Orange county?
He can't use results that no one sends to him. If you think that someone got shafted, send him an e-mail with results to back it up, and you just might see some change.

[Sly Cooper]

How is arlington ranked 5th when there isnt even times to the race they ran this weekend??

[chester]

Chaminade>Smithtown

[iruntheduece]

Chaminade>Smithtown
lol

[run4fun9]

why is that humorous. our sunken times pwned your times. truth.com

[pelican]

(head explodes after viewing rankings and trying to make sense of them)

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[the b man]

(head explodes after viewing rankings and trying to make sense of them)

:confused: :confused: :confused:

AGREED!

[BigRed]

Because by the looks of it it appears that these rankings were thrown together 8 minutes ago.
After 1 and 2, I think the next 10 were picked out of a hat.

[polyxc]

Okay,

What do you think the NY rakings should be?

[ChirpyBoy]

AA in my opinion:

Shen
Warwick
FM
Shaker
Chaminade
Smithtown
etc.etc. I'm too lazy to do the rest

These rankings are definitely messed up, and Cuffe is the NE editor. Hopefully the NE rankings arent as ****ty as these.

[kk.]

Without really putting any thought into it I could probably do better.

1. Shen
2. Warwick
3. FM
4. Chaminade
5. Smithtown
6. Shaker
7. Liverpool
8. Kellenberg
9. Arlington
10. St Anthony's
11. CNS
12. Fairport
13. Ithaca

[BigRed]

Without really putting any thought into it I could probably do better.

1. Shen
2. Warwick
3. FM
4. Chaminade
5. Smithtown
6. Shaker
7. Liverpool
8. Kellenberg
9. Arlington
10. St Anthony's
11. CNS
12. Fairport
13. Ithaca
You're hired. When can you start?

[i am amazing]

chaminade = 1706 5 man avg for sunken meadow 5k
smithtown = 1712 5 man avg for same course

CHaminade > Smithtown...results dont lie

[Hector The Inspector]

chaminade = 1706 5 man avg for sunken meadow 5k
smithtown = 1712 5 man avg for same course

CHaminade > Smithtown...results dont lie
You, sir, are amazing.

[i am amazing]

yes,sir, i am

[got miles?]

You're hired. When can you start?


hahaha....totally agree....

if you're a NE NTN bubble team I might start to worry....

Coach Cuffe's a great guy but 1st semester report card grades are:

Doherty - 98
Cuffe - 65

and Doherty might actually be 100...

[Saintsrunner]

lay off cuffe. im sure hes doing the best he can with the time he has and the results that are available to him. remember it is oct. 2 and there will be many more races for teams to prove what they have.

[Andrew Martini]

Rankings only do so much. It's not like anything is being decided on them yet. Wait till the championship season starts, and when they're taking bids for Feds, they'll be more important, but for now, who cares?

And aren't they all doing this on their free time for no money? So let's thank them more for what they do then critique them for not putting enough effort into it.

[i am amazing]

based on tullyrunners database..arlington who is ranked #5 in the state has teh following speed ratings....171,173,157,155,157..tell me how this makes sense

[jakesbr0]

1. Collegiate
2. Shen
3. Warwick
4. FM
5. Chaminade
6. Shaker
7. Liverpool
8. Queensbury
9. St. Anthony's
10. Kellenberg

Honorable Mentions:
Smithtown
Guilderland
Burnt Hills

Shaker ran very well at te warwick invite on saturday if they move up I cant see them going higher then 5th....my honorable mention is Newburgh
1 12 Steve Challacombe 16:08.0
2 25 Greg Laraia 16:33.0
3 29 Andrew Poggioli 16:40.0
4 35 Kevin Portillo 16:51.0
5 43 Joe Kennelly 16:58.0
6 ( 99) John Confrey 18:10.0
7 (137) James Clearwater

[kk.]

Without really putting any thought into it I could probably do better.

1. Shen
2. Warwick
3. FM
4. Chaminade
5. Smithtown
6. Shaker
7. Liverpool
8. Kellenberg
9. Guilderland
10. Arlington
11. St Anthony's
12. CNS
13. Fairport
14. Ithaca

Just realized I had left out Guilderland.. probably left out others but oh well

[Burned_in_Style]

Just realized I had left out Guilderland.. probably left out others but oh well

yeah. guilderland is gunna be money this year. They lost Seth (10th at feds) and Wager (41st at feds) and are still a top 10ish team in that state. very impressive

[GreekLightning]

Without really putting any thought into it I could probably do better.

1. Shen
2. Warwick
3. FM
4. Chaminade
5. Smithtown
6. Shaker
7. Liverpool
8. Kellenberg
9. Arlington
10. St Anthony's
11. CNS
12. Fairport
13. Ithaca


FYI on FM...try inserting their speed ratings in to the merge for Warwick and they end up just behind Shaker and Smithtown. A very rough version of inserting FMs speed ratings:

Shen - 92
Warwick - 172
Smithtown - 189
Shaker - 196
FM - 200 (2-3-27-73-95)


Given that, I think that this week rankings seem slightly less ridiculous...although there is still the matter of Arlington. That is strange.

[kk.]

From Warwick to Shaker is very close anyway and because speed ratings aren't perfectly accurate then it is tough to say where FM would really end up in such a close race. (ex: if they are 1 just point better than the speed ratings then they move ahead of Warwick)

[yankees4]

based on last year's speed ratings for JFK Invitational, Arlington would have had a 178,174,173, 165, and a 164.

[run4fun9]

based on last year's speed ratings for JFK Invitational, Arlington would have had a 178,174,173, 165, and a 164.


the only speed ratings avaible on tully runners for arlington are:

Adam Doherty 171
Brandan Ceriello 173
Dan Kane 157
Jared Leslie 166
John Muller 155
Justin Fyffe 144


don't know where you found yours

[xc07]

the only speed ratings avaible on tully runners for arlington are:

Adam Doherty 171
Brandan Ceriello 173
Dan Kane 157
Jared Leslie 166
John Muller 155
Justin Fyffe 144


don't know where you found yours

full results for the jfk invitational (where arlington ran this weekend) arent out yet.
he used the speed ratings from last year's meet and matched them to the times arlington ran this year.

[GreekLightning]

From Warwick to Shaker is very close anyway and because speed ratings aren't perfectly accurate then it is tough to say where FM would really end up in such a close race. (ex: if they are 1 just point better than the speed ratings then they move ahead of Warwick)

I agree that AA 2-5 is very close based on this weekend, and on a given day, it looks like FM could beat Warwick. Just pointing out that there is no reason to flip out about FMs ranking.

To be honest though, I would tend to agree with your rankings much more than the official ones. (I should have quoted some post other than your rankings) Winning a meet like McQuaid needs to count for more than moving down 2 spots. Winning races should be taken in to consideration in rankings, not just time comparisons, merge results and speed ratings.

[hero]

Even with those speed ratings Arlington wouldnt beat FM, Chaminade, and possibly Lpool...those would be "solid" ratings but definitely not worthy of the ranking that they're at right now

[cxntnxc]

I agree that AA 2-5 is very close based on this weekend, and on a given day, it looks like FM could beat Warwick. Just pointing out that there is no reason to flip out about FMs ranking.

To be honest though, I would tend to agree with your rankings much more than the official ones. (I should have quoted some post other than your rankings) Winning a meet like McQuaid needs to count for more than moving down 2 spots. Winning races should be taken in to consideration in rankings, not just time comparisons, merge results and speed ratings.

Ummmm an interesting conversation here. Just a little FYI:

FM 2005 at Mc Quaid:
Team time = 76:53
#1 man 14:51 -- #5 = 15:58
5 man compression = 67 seconds or 1m 7s

FM 2006 at Mc Quaid
Team time = 78:24
#1 = 14:53 -- #5 = 16:25
5 man compression = 92 seconds or 1m 32s
For all the experts it looks to me like the FM of 2006 is 1:31 SLOWER OVERALL than the 2005 team. Their 5th man is 27 seconds slower…

Maybe the other six teams are better in the rankings???

Let's see what Manhattan brings!!!

[cxntnxc]

I just raed the actual rankings on armoryfoundation -- I know that you all emailed Mr. Cuffe your opinions before posted on this forum... :rolleyes:

[cxntnxc]

Just realized I had left out Guilderland.. probably left out others but oh well

The Gmen were 17th in the merge at Warwick -- YES, without BRD. But that's how good they were this weekend.

17. 599 GUILDERLAND (16:57.5 84:47.1)

[cxntnxc]

from a coach to a coach to me originally from Mr. Cuffe:

steve

someone sent me some "forum" stuff -- pretty silly really... have someone post that if they like they can call Mr. Cuffe at Monsignor Farrell at 718.987.2900 x232 and he'll gladly have a "chat" with them!

be well.

"the beatings will continue until moral improves!"

tom

[CornathaCantersmack]

Quadruple post....

[gofast11]

based on last year's speed ratings for JFK Invitational, Arlington would have had a 178,174,173, 165, and a 164.

Last year the Kennedy meet was 1 week earlier and this year the weather conditions were ideal in the morning and JFK is an early morning meet. Whatever the times were this year they are not worth as much as last years times.

[kk.]

The Gmen were 17th in the merge at Warwick -- YES, without BRD. But that's how good they were this weekend.

17. 599 GUILDERLAND (16:57.5 84:47.1)

I'm not sure how you meant this but if BRD was there they would have moved up to about where I have them in my rankings.

[backtoback]

The Gmen were 17th in the merge at Warwick -- YES, without BRD. But that's how good they were this weekend.

17. 599 GUILDERLAND (16:57.5 84:47.1)

If i'm not mistaken if you add BRD into the results they go from 17th to 14th in the blend...Is that correct?

[Line-man]

The Gmen were 17th in the merge at Warwick -- YES, without BRD. But that's how good they were this weekend.

17. 599 GUILDERLAND (16:57.5 84:47.1)

The "Dutchmen" were without their #1 and #3. Their #5 was returning from injury and has more in the tank. I'm sure there are similar stories out there, but Guilderland certainly has sleeper potential to creep into the top 10.

[dr mccalister]

arlington ran pretty well this past weekend.

the timing system screwed up a bit and some guys didnt get their times which is why probably results arent up.

but they won a fast race and had a solid pack. maybe not a number 5 team, but very solid though.

[kk.]

If i'm not mistaken if you add BRD into the results they go from 17th to 14th in the blend...Is that correct?

Actually it would be from 17th to around 9th.. their 5th runner placed 199th and BRD would have probably been top 3. Then they were also missing their #3 so that would move them up a couple more spots.

[backtoback]

Actually it would be from 17th to around 8th.. their 5th runner placed 199th and BRD would have probably been top 3. Then they were also missing their #3 so that would move them up a couple more spots.

Okay I didn't not realize about #3 missing

17. 599 GUILDERLAND (16:57.5 84:47.1)
==========================================
1 19 Roland Graves 15:51.8
2 104 Justin Veldhuis 16:52.0
3 122 Jacob King 17:02.0
4 155 Kevin Sheehan 17:21.8
5 199 Gianni Vissat 17:39.7
6 (202) Chris Cure 17:41.8
7 (265) Dan Lee 17:59.5

with BRD you go 1,20,105,123,156= 405

Okay so 10th place just behind NFA...and missing a #3?
Looks like they are pretty good

[kk.]

Technically they would be ahead of NFA because you would add 5 to their score.

[backtoback]

Technically they would be ahead of NFA because you would add 5 to their score.

indeed

[Mr Limpy]

wouldnt you add 4 to guilderlands score tho?

[GoldbacksXCTF]

Okay I didn't not realize about #3 missing

17. 599 GUILDERLAND (16:57.5 84:47.1)
==========================================
1 19 Roland Graves 15:51.8
2 104 Justin Veldhuis 16:52.0
3 122 Jacob King 17:02.0
4 155 Kevin Sheehan 17:21.8
5 199 Gianni Vissat 17:39.7
6 (202) Chris Cure 17:41.8
7 (265) Dan Lee 17:59.5

with BRD you go 1,20,105,123,156= 405

Okay so 10th place just behind NFA...and missing a #3?
Looks like they are pretty good

wouldnt you add 4 to guilderlands score tho?

Back to Back already added 4 points (19 to 20, 104 to 105, 122 to 123, and 155 to 156)

[NYrunner]

NYS #3 in class B HFL boys @ Mcquaid
9 Alex Deir 9 Honeoye Falls-Lima 15:46 174.7 175
10 Steve Mangan 9 Honeoye Falls-Lima 15:48 174.0 174
13 Robert Gardner 12 Honeoye Falls-Lima 15:56 171.3 171
44 Matt Marion 12 Honeoye Falls-Lima 16:41 156.3 156
48 Sean Keyes 12 Honeoye Falls-Lima 16:45 155.0 155

NYS #1 in class B Pearl River @ Warwick
7 Mike Hickey 10 PEARL RIVER 15:50.8 178.1 178
13 Bryan Herbst 12 PEARL RIVER 16:04.6 173.5 173
21 James Alexander 12 PEARL RIVER 16:27.4 165.9 166
31 Danny McKallen 11 PEARL RIVER 16:41.1 161.3 161
69 Nick LoRe 11 PEARL RIVER 17:37.3 142.6 143
75 Mike Kessler 12 PEARL RIVER 17:44.3 140.2 140

[toetheline]

http://www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/XC06-NYSB.htm

[Big K]

The rankings seem much better this week. I don't know how CNS is ranked 10th. They have speed rating of 174, 171, 157, 156, 155. They should be pushed back to about 15th.

[backtoback]

Yeah, I agree. Arlington should probablly be lower, too. And Queensbury should be in the "Fab 5" over Shaker - they've beaten them 3 times now.

Shaker isnt in the Fab 5

[BigRed]

They are as of the 10/1 listing on Armory. http://www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/XC06-NYSB.html
No longer, it's now Coll., Shen, WV, FM, Smithtown.

[NYrunner]

Fairport behind Ithaca? Fairport beat them at Mcquaid....Also noticed that Sutherland dropped in A despite winning invite without #4 guy and HFL boys (top team in state if you follow speed ratings) DROPPED in the rankings? I am not understanding the logic or lack there of with some of these rankings.

[toetheline]

week #5 - from coach Doherty

Class AA (1060 & UP)
1 SARATOGA-2
2 HILTON-5
3 FAYETTEVILLE MANLIUS-3
4 WARWICK-9
5 CARMEL-1
6 BAYSHORE-11
7 WARD MELVILLE-11
8 COLONIE-2
9 SHENENDEHOWA-2
10 CICERO N. SYRACUSE-3
11 WEST GENESEE-3
12 WEST SENECA WEST-6
13 NEW ROCHELLE-1
14 ARLINGTON-1
15 SHAKER-2
16 COLUMBIA-2
17 RUSH HENRIETTA-5
18 GUILDERLAND-2
19 FAIRPORT-5
20 NORTH ROCKLAND-1
21 BALDWINSVILLE-3
22 BETHLEHEM-2
23 NISKAYUNA-2
24 NORTHPORT-11
25 SUFFERN-1

CLASS A (680-1059)
BURNT HILLS-2
HOLY NAMES-2
URSULINE-1
HORACE GREELEY-1
CORNWALL-9
SAYVILLE-11
QUEENSBURY-2
PITTSFORD-MENDON-5
KINGS PARK-11
BRIGHTON-5
ELMIRA SOUTHSIDE-4
MEPHAM-8
ST. JOHN VILLA-CHSAA
AMSTERDAM-2
PITTSFORD-SUTHERLAND-5
STARPOINT-6
SCOTIA GLENVILLE-2
MEXICO-3
VESTAL-4
MILLER PLACE-11

Class B (460-679)
EAST AURORA-6
SHOREHAM WADING RIVER-11
HONEOYE FALLS-LIMA-5
PEARL RIVER-1
BROADALBIN-PERTH-2
WESTHILL-3
JOHNSON CITY-4
COBLESKILL-2
GENEVA-5
COHOES-2
NORTHEASTERN CLINTON-7
FREDONIA-6
MAINE-ENDWELL-4
RYE-1
WATERLOO-5
BAYPORT-BLUEPOINT-11
MARCELLUS-3
SOUTH JEFFERSON-3
VERNON-VERONA SHERILL-3
OLEAN-6

Class C (290-459)
GREENWICH-2
BRONXVILLE-1
SKANEATELES-3
SAUQUOIT VALLEY-3
TULLY-3
VOORHEESVILLE-2
CANASTOTA-3
RHINEBECK-9
PULASKI-3
ALBERTUS-1
ADIRONDACK-2
MILLBROOK-9
EDGEMONT-1
TRI VALLEY-9
MAYFIELD-2
SULLIVAN WEST-9
SARANAC LAKE-7
CROTON-HARMON-1
HOOSIC VALLEY-2
NEWARK VALLEY-4

Class D (0-289)
BEAVER RIVER-3
EDISON-4
GENESEO-5
DUANESBURG-2
FRANKLINVILLE-6
BERLIN-2
WEEDSPORT-3
AVON-5
NORWOOD-10
LAFAYETTE-3
COLEMAN-9
MAPLE GROVE-6
BERNE-KNOX-2
ONONDAGA-3
OAKFIELD-ALABAMA-5

[phil4856]

http://tullyrunners.com/NYSSWA_XC.htm

Whomever does the Class B rankings really should just glance at the speed ratings once and a while... just maybe.

[WillyNilly]

http://tullyrunners.com/NYSSWA_XC.htm

Whomever does the Class B rankings really should just glance at the speed ratings once and a while... just maybe.

I agree the class b rankings make no sense the guy who is doing should really try a little harder instead of pulling the predictions ou of his @$$. Pearl River has no fifth man they should not even be in the top 5. Its really starting to piss me off how there ranked number one every week for no reason.
:mad:

[Darkman]

ok in the top 5 thats pushin it. They will most likely place 3 in the top 15 and a 4 in the top 30 at the intersectional meet. There 5th is week but i think he can do good enough for them to be at absolute worst 3rd.

[runningforthegold]

http://tullyrunners.com/NYSSWA_XC.htm

Whomever does the Class B rankings really should just glance at the speed ratings once and a while... just maybe.

You and your team seem to have some pretty good speed ratings. Unfortunately it does not seem that any of you really understand that cross country is really a team sport. I imagine each of you just decides to run in random races throughout the season without any collective thought. You can't beat a good team that way and your rankings should reflect that fact

[Sly Cooper]

I imagine each of you just decides to run in random races throughout the season without any collective thought.

Im sure him and his teamates dont just run in random races. They most likely didnt have a full squad at manhattan beacause of SATs.

[toetheline]

note that the Class A rankings on tully are wrong. The correct rankings for Class A are here.

http://www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/XC06-NYSB.htm

[phil4856]

Im sure him and his teamates dont just run in random races. They most likely didnt have a full squad at manhattan beacause of SATs.


This is true, however he was correct in mentioning that we haven't run as a full squad in a while--though this has been due to extraneous situations and not because we choose to run "random races". We're all together here on out.

[WallofCorn XC]

Any shakeups in this weeks rankingS?

[i hate conga lines]

week #5 - from coach Doherty

Class AA (1060 & UP)
1 SARATOGA-2
2 HILTON-5
3 FAYETTEVILLE MANLIUS-3
4 WARWICK-9
5 CARMEL-1
6 BAYSHORE-11
7 WARD MELVILLE-11
8 COLONIE-2
9 SHENENDEHOWA-2
10 CICERO N. SYRACUSE-3
11 WEST GENESEE-3
12 WEST SENECA WEST-6
13 NEW ROCHELLE-1
14 ARLINGTON-1
15 SHAKER-2
16 COLUMBIA-2
17 RUSH HENRIETTA-5
18 GUILDERLAND-2
19 FAIRPORT-5
20 NORTH ROCKLAND-1
21 BALDWINSVILLE-3
22 BETHLEHEM-2
23 NISKAYUNA-2
24 NORTHPORT-11
25 SUFFERN-1

CLASS A (680-1059)
BURNT HILLS-2
HOLY NAMES-2
URSULINE-1
HORACE GREELEY-1
CORNWALL-9
SAYVILLE-11
QUEENSBURY-2
PITTSFORD-MENDON-5
KINGS PARK-11
BRIGHTON-5
ELMIRA SOUTHSIDE-4
MEPHAM-8
ST. JOHN VILLA-CHSAA
AMSTERDAM-2
PITTSFORD-SUTHERLAND-5
STARPOINT-6
SCOTIA GLENVILLE-2
MEXICO-3
VESTAL-4
MILLER PLACE-11

Class B (460-679)
EAST AURORA-6
SHOREHAM WADING RIVER-11
HONEOYE FALLS-LIMA-5
PEARL RIVER-1
BROADALBIN-PERTH-2
WESTHILL-3
JOHNSON CITY-4
COBLESKILL-2
GENEVA-5
COHOES-2
NORTHEASTERN CLINTON-7
FREDONIA-6
MAINE-ENDWELL-4
RYE-1
WATERLOO-5
BAYPORT-BLUEPOINT-11
MARCELLUS-3
SOUTH JEFFERSON-3
VERNON-VERONA SHERILL-3
OLEAN-6

Class C (290-459)
GREENWICH-2
BRONXVILLE-1
SKANEATELES-3
SAUQUOIT VALLEY-3
TULLY-3
VOORHEESVILLE-2
CANASTOTA-3
RHINEBECK-9
PULASKI-3
ALBERTUS-1
ADIRONDACK-2
MILLBROOK-9
EDGEMONT-1
TRI VALLEY-9
MAYFIELD-2
SULLIVAN WEST-9
SARANAC LAKE-7
CROTON-HARMON-1
HOOSIC VALLEY-2
NEWARK VALLEY-4

Class D (0-289)
BEAVER RIVER-3
EDISON-4
GENESEO-5
DUANESBURG-2
FRANKLINVILLE-6
BERLIN-2
WEEDSPORT-3
AVON-5
NORWOOD-10
LAFAYETTE-3
COLEMAN-9
MAPLE GROVE-6
BERNE-KNOX-2
ONONDAGA-3
OAKFIELD-ALABAMA-5
what happened to lynbrook in class A? suddenly we're not ranked?

[Sidecar Doobey]

Mr I.H.C.L.

You have just quoted last weeks girls rankings which is probably the reason for your dismay.

[WillyNilly]

wtf why is shoreham so far down in this weeks B rankings. look at there speed ratings compared to any other team ahead of them

[xc07]

wtf why is shoreham so far down in this weeks B rankings. look at there speed ratings compared to any other team ahead of them


yeh take your own advice and look at the speed ratings, especially from this weekend. shoreham should be no higher than where they are now.

speed ratings from this weekend:
bh 186-181-177-165-152
pr -184-179-169-159-149 (using results posted on other thread)
shoreham-163-156-151-149-148

[nyrunner09]

yea shoreham looked absolutely terrible this weekend idk wat ur talking about

[i hate conga lines]

Mr I.H.C.L.

You have just quoted last weeks girls rankings which is probably the reason for your dismay.
ahh this would be true -- thank you Mr. Sidecar Doobey for clearing up the confusion

[Big K]

I have a problem with 8, 10, 11 and 12 spots.
Cuffe has:
8. Arlington
9. St. Anthony's
10. CNS
11. Kellenberg

St. Anthony's has speed ratings from last week of 181, 177, 172, 172, 167
Kellenberg 180, 173, 173, 171, 168
Arlington 178, 177, 166, 165, 156
CNS 174, 173, 163, 163, 155

St. Anthony's and Kellenberg have 5 guys better than CNS and Arlington's 3rd man. Also, CNS's 5th man has a speed rating of 155 and Arlington has 156 and that will hurt both teams in larger invitationals.
IMO it should be:
8. St. Anthony's
9. Kellenberg
10. Arlington
11. CNS

[WallofCorn XC]

I agree. I can't understand why Arlington keeps getting ranked so high.
i think they had an off day last saturday at WCC

[cxntnxc]

I have a problem with 8, 10, 11 and 12 spots.
Cuffe has:
8. Arlington
9. St. Anthony's
10. CNS
11. Kellenberg

St. Anthony's has speed ratings from last week of 181, 177, 172, 172, 167
Kellenberg 180, 173, 173, 171, 168
Arlington 178, 177, 166, 165, 156
CNS 174, 173, 163, 163, 155

St. Anthony's and Kellenberg have 5 guys better than CNS and Arlington's 3rd man. Also, CNS's 5th man has a speed rating of 155 and Arlington has 156 and that will hurt both teams in larger invitationals.
IMO it should be:
8. St. Anthony's
9. Kellenberg
10. Arlington
11. CNS

ummmmmm, could it be that ARLINGTON beat SAINT ANTHONY'S head-to-head in their own meet on their own home course???

1 Arlington High School 62 3 7 8 21 23 44 67
Total Time: 1:06:52.67
Average: 13:22.54
2 Santa Margarita 64 4 10 13 18 19 33 34
Total Time: 1:07:14.57
Average: 13:26.92
3 St. Anthonys 66 5 12 14 15 20 28 32
Total Time: 1:07:08.22
Average: 13:25.65

also you might want to check out the results of the LIVERPOOL INVITE:

MERGED TEAM SCORES
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. 84 LIVERPOOL (AA) (16:24.6 82:03.1)
=================================================
1 4 Ethan Hickey JR 15:50.8
2 12 Bryan Picciotto JR 16:16.8
3 15 Nick Scalione SR 16:29.6
4 18 Mike Compson SR 16:32.4
5 35 Dan Phoenix SR 16:53.6
6 ( 65) Dan Szilagyi JR 17:19.6

2. 90 CICERO-NORTH SYRACUSE (AA) (16:25.4 82:07.0)
=================================================
1 6 Ben Ludovici SR 16:01.2
2 7 Nathan MacNabb JR 16:04.5
3 19 Kevin Cusworth JR 16:32.4
4 20 Kyle Fritz SR 16:33.4
5 38 Chris Taddeo JR 16:55.6
6 ( 41) Andy Neumeister SR 16:57.7
7 ( 46) Nick Dunbar SO 17:00.7

3. 112 FAIRPORT (AA) (16:29.3 82:26.2)
=================================================
1 3 Pat Dupont JR 15:38.6
2 21 Kyle Dacey SR 16:33.8
3 25 Dylan Pudiak SR 16:37.5
4 30 Scott Deady JR 16:46.5
5 33 Dan Reilly SR 16:50.1
6 ( 42) Tyler Dufault JR 16:57.7
7 ( 47) Trevor Colegrove SO 17:01.2

4. 136 CLARENCE (AA) (16:40.4 83:22.1)
=================================================
1 10 Andrew Pfeiffer SR 16:11.5
2 14 John Inzina JR 16:25.4
3 36 Peter Grupp JR 16:54.4
4 37 Ricky Walter SR 16:55.0
5 39 Tally Berberich JR 16:55.9
6 ( 43) Casey Perdziak JR 16:58.4
7 ( 45) Geraint Davies JR 17:00.4

[cxntnxc]

Note that Liverpool was running without their first guy, Heenan.

point well taken...

taking a closer look at ARLINGTON... looks like they haven't lost an INVITATIONAL MEET at all this year, granted they haven't run any of the traditionally big meets. Can anyone from Section 1 or an ARLINGTON runner confirm this? If so a very solid season for them thus far.

The NYSPHSAA MEET wll be fun -- although small. The NYS FED MEET will be once again the best STATE XC MEET in the COUNTRY.

[gofast11]

point well taken...

taking a closer look at ARLINGTON... looks like they haven't lost an INVITATIONAL MEET at all this year, granted they haven't run any of the traditionally big meets. Can anyone from Section 1 or an ARLINGTON runner confirm this? If so a very solid season for them thus far.

The NYSPHSAA MEET wll be fun -- although small. The NYS FED MEET will be once again the best STATE XC MEET in the COUNTRY.

Arlington did win the Varsity III race on Saturday at W. C. C. It was the slowest race of the three races and they did finish 2nd in the merge behind Byram Hills. Their # 5 runner did not run well he is normally their # 3 guy

[WillyNilly]

yeh take your own advice and look at the speed ratings, especially from this weekend. shoreham should be no higher than where they are now.

speed ratings from this weekend:
bh 186-181-177-165-152
pr -184-179-169-159-149 (using results posted on other thread)
shoreham-163-156-151-149-148


look how low all of the speed ratings are in both varisty races.

[thestogs]

marcellus up to 6 in class B


woot

[nyrunner09]

look how low all of the speed ratings are in both varisty races.
wat r u talking about? shoreham ran bad they deserve to be #3 no higher so shut up

[phil4856]

look how low all of the speed ratings are in both varisty races.

I don't get it.. do you want us to run JV? haha...

[Big K]

ummmmmm, could it be that ARLINGTON beat SAINT ANTHONY'S head-to-head in their own meet on their own home course???

1 Arlington High School 62 3 7 8 21 23 44 67
Total Time: 1:06:52.67
Average: 13:22.54
2 Santa Margarita 64 4 10 13 18 19 33 34
Total Time: 1:07:14.57
Average: 13:26.92
3 St. Anthonys 66 5 12 14 15 20 28 32
Total Time: 1:07:08.22
Average: 13:25.65

also you might want to check out the results of the LIVERPOOL INVITE:

MERGED TEAM SCORES
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. 84 LIVERPOOL (AA) (16:24.6 82:03.1)
=================================================
1 4 Ethan Hickey JR 15:50.8
2 12 Bryan Picciotto JR 16:16.8
3 15 Nick Scalione SR 16:29.6
4 18 Mike Compson SR 16:32.4
5 35 Dan Phoenix SR 16:53.6
6 ( 65) Dan Szilagyi JR 17:19.6

2. 90 CICERO-NORTH SYRACUSE (AA) (16:25.4 82:07.0)
=================================================
1 6 Ben Ludovici SR 16:01.2
2 7 Nathan MacNabb JR 16:04.5
3 19 Kevin Cusworth JR 16:32.4
4 20 Kyle Fritz SR 16:33.4
5 38 Chris Taddeo JR 16:55.6
6 ( 41) Andy Neumeister SR 16:57.7
7 ( 46) Nick Dunbar SO 17:00.7

3. 112 FAIRPORT (AA) (16:29.3 82:26.2)
=================================================
1 3 Pat Dupont JR 15:38.6
2 21 Kyle Dacey SR 16:33.8
3 25 Dylan Pudiak SR 16:37.5
4 30 Scott Deady JR 16:46.5
5 33 Dan Reilly SR 16:50.1
6 ( 42) Tyler Dufault JR 16:57.7
7 ( 47) Trevor Colegrove SO 17:01.2

4. 136 CLARENCE (AA) (16:40.4 83:22.1)
=================================================
1 10 Andrew Pfeiffer SR 16:11.5
2 14 John Inzina JR 16:25.4
3 36 Peter Grupp JR 16:54.4
4 37 Ricky Walter SR 16:55.0
5 39 Tally Berberich JR 16:55.9
6 ( 43) Casey Perdziak JR 16:58.4
7 ( 45) Geraint Davies JR 17:00.4

Arlington ran the following times for the 2.5 at Sunken Meadow(St. A's Invite)
13:02
13:08
13:10
13:44
13:45
Many people say that sunken meadow is 10-15 seconds faster than VCP. Adding 10 seconds to the times i got:
13:12
13:18
13:20
13:54
13:55
5 man average of 13:31.8

St. Anthony's ran the following times at Easterns
12:59
13:11
13:27
13:28
13:41
5 man average of 13:21.2

Arlington did in fact beat St. Anthony's at their own invitational, but that was 3 weeks ago. The runners at St. Anthony's have improved much more than Arlington has in these 3 weeks. Also, the St. A's invite is a mid season meet so i doubt they will try to peak or anything like that for a mid season race regardless of the fact that its their own invite. Another fact is that in merge at that invite St. Anthony's bet Arlington which could be viewed as sign that Arlington doesn't have that much depth.

[Erik van Ingen]

There're too many classes at the NYSPHSAA. The races would be a lot better if they'd combine the A & B classes into one race, the C & D classes into another. They could still score the team competition separately.

true, but I think the class D race will be exciting enough on its own

oh and Marathon makes it into the class D rankings, jea!!!

[cxntnxc]

Arlington ran the following times for the 2.5 at Sunken Meadow(St. A's Invite)
13:02
13:08
13:10
13:44
13:45
Many people say that sunken meadow is 10-15 seconds faster than VCP. Adding 10 seconds to the times i got:
13:12
13:18
13:20
13:54
13:55
5 man average of 13:31.8

St. Anthony's ran the following times at Easterns
12:59
13:11
13:27
13:28
13:41
5 man average of 13:21.2

Arlington did in fact beat St. Anthony's at their own invitational, but that was 3 weeks ago. The runners at St. Anthony's have improved much more than Arlington has in these 3 weeks. Also, the St. A's invite is a mid season meet so i doubt they will try to peak or anything like that for a mid season race regardless of the fact that its their own invite. Another fact is that in merge at that invite St. Anthony's bet Arlington which could be viewed as sign that Arlington doesn't have that much depth.

Hey K (and others like you) a mesage to all... this is just a thought. I see Mr. Bill Meylan will no longer post the NYS Rankings for the Boys & the Girls -- the reason is that he received numerous emails about the rankings ALL NEGATIVE -- so he stopped carrying the rankings. Guys like Marc Bloom, Bill Miller, John Dye, Neil Kerr, Tom Cuffe, Dan Dougherty, Rich Gonzalez, George Febles and the like are the backbone of the sport. They make things happen in a positive way for all of us in cross-country and track & field. It's amazing really where OUR sport is right now because of guys like these. So to all those "experts" out there -- next time you see any of these truly exceptional men why don't you thank them instead of in a cowardly act behind a SCREEN NAME and the vail of anonymity and a keyboard criticize their work. Our sport is the BEST in the nation because of them!!!

“Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain but it takes character and self control to be understanding and supportive"

[cakeman]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt

[cxntnxc]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt

PRETTY AWESOME, well said Cakeman! "I hope that you have your cake & eat it too!"

[Big K]

Hey K (and others like you) a mesage to all... this is just a thought. I see Mr. Bill Meylan will no longer post the NYS Rankings for the Boys & the Girls -- the reason is that he received numerous emails about the rankings ALL NEGATIVE -- so he stopped carrying the rankings. Guys like Marc Bloom, Bill Miller, John Dye, Neil Kerr, Tom Cuffe, Dan Dougherty, Rich Gonzalez, George Febles and the like are the backbone of the sport. They make things happen in a positive way for all of us in cross-country and track & field. It's amazing really where OUR sport is right now because of guys like these. So to all those "experts" out there -- next time you see any of these truly exceptional men why don't you thank them instead of in a cowardly act behind a SCREEN NAME and the vail of anonymity and a keyboard criticize their work. Our sport is the BEST in the nation because of them!!!

“Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain but it takes character and self control to be understanding and supportive"


I don't hind behind a screen name and many people on the board know who I am. I run for St. Anthony's and feel my team deserves a bit more respect. Our team has been ranked as low as 18th in the state and feel that we have been underranked for a long time. I have never e-mailed anyone concerning my opinion, but i felt a need to voice my opinion. I should have the right to say something if I see that something is wrong.
As a runner in the CHSAA I have had the opportunity to speak to Tom Cuffe and I have a great deal of respect for him. After Feds last year, I felt I had bad race and let my team down. I was standing outside our bus with my mom and Tom Cuffe came over to congradulate me and talk to my mom. He was a great man and a true gentlemen and offered words of encouragement to me. Words cannot describe how much that meant to me. Mr. Cuffe spoke to our team before Easterns. He told us a lot about the tradition of course and that we are a great team that could accomplish much this year. His words of encouragement were greatly appreciated and could probably be seen through my performance and my team's performance.
I realize how much men like him do for our sport and greatly appreciate all the time and effort they devote to cross country. However, I should have the right to speak my mind. After all these message boards would be dead if people didn't give their opinions so I shouldnt be attack by you for speaking my mind.

[toetheline]

just a quick note on the NYS Rankings. They were supposed to be hosted only on armory all season long. When we had some technical problems Mr. Meylan graciously posted them on his site. Then we accidently sent him rankings that weren't 100% updated and he posted them. He then recieved negative feedback from people and decided to not post them anymore. Not only do I not blame him for not posting them anymore, I thank him for helping when we needed it. He's one of those guys that is in it purely because he loves it and I thank him for that.

Tim Fulton
The Armory

[cxntnxc]

I don't hind behind a screen name and many people on the board know who I am. I run for St. Anthony's and feel my team deserves a bit more respect. Our team has been ranked as low as 18th in the state and feel that we have been underranked for a long time. I have never e-mailed anyone concerning my opinion, but i felt a need to voice my opinion. I should have the right to say something if I see that something is wrong.
As a runner in the CHSAA I have had the opportunity to speak to Tom Cuffe and I have a great deal of respect for him. After Feds last year, I felt I had bad race and let my team down. I was standing outside our bus with my mom and Tom Cuffe came over to congradulate me and talk to my mom. He was a great man and a true gentlemen and offered words of encouragement to me. Words cannot describe how much that meant to me. Mr. Cuffe spoke to our team before Easterns. He told us a lot about the tradition of course and that we are a great team that could accomplish much this year. His words of encouragement were greatly appreciated and could probably be seen through my performance and my team's performance.
I realize how much men like him do for our sport and greatly appreciate all the time and effort they devote to cross country. However, I should have the right to speak my mind. After all these message boards would be dead if people didn't give their opinions so I shouldnt be attack by you for speaking my mind.

Big K... my apologizes to you. I think it was "the straw that broke the camels back" syndrome. I always look forward to seeing the NYS rankings on Mr. Meylans' FANTASTIC web site. When I heard that he wasn't going to post them anymore I was wondering why and then I found out that he got a number negative emails and that upset him, so he made his announcement about dropping them. I was like I hope that these other guys that I mentioned don't feel the same way. Then I read some other "garbage" on another board, then I read the NYS board and well... sorry if I upset you. Go out and run fast your ST. ANTHONY'S TEAM is very, very good.

[dand]

Week 7 New York State Girls Cross Country Rankings are now up at:

http://www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/XC06-NYSG.htm

[brmts]

I have a problem with 8, 10, 11 and 12 spots.
Cuffe has:
8. Arlington
9. St. Anthony's
10. CNS
11. Kellenberg

St. Anthony's has speed ratings from last week of 181, 177, 172, 172, 167
Kellenberg 180, 173, 173, 171, 168
Arlington 178, 177, 166, 165, 156
CNS 174, 173, 163, 163, 155

St. Anthony's and Kellenberg have 5 guys better than CNS and Arlington's 3rd man. Also, CNS's 5th man has a speed rating of 155 and Arlington has 156 and that will hurt both teams in larger invitationals.
IMO it should be:
8. St. Anthony's
9. Kellenberg
10. Arlington
11. CNS

On your home course Arlington beat your butt and their 3rd guy was only 2 seconds behind your first guy and almost 10 seconds ahead of your second guy. Speed ratings just like in horse racing is a biased number, results on your on own course should have been enough evidence to stop you from sending a stupid, illogical message like this.

[Stay The Course]

Gentlemen: what you have here are two excellent programs having a great year. They both belong in the top ten and they are. Neither ones path will cross again till Feds if (I for one fully expect to see both there) they both go. So why all the strife ?

[WallofCorn XC]

http://www.armoryfoundation.org/leaderboards/XC06-NYSB.htm

[Sidecar Doobey]

Someday you'll learn there are three types of people.

1. Those who believe that if it comes out of a computer it must be true.

2. Those who don't care if it's true but manipulate or interpret it to advance their own agenda.

3. Those who end up firing #1 and #2 above.

[toetheline]

girls week 8
http://www.armorytrack.com/leaderboards/nysg-week-8.htm

boys to follow....

note that armorytrack.com lives - we are sticking with that name. We are still working on getting all the old result files to work but for now, please make sure you go to either armorytrack.com or armoryfoundation.org (will be the same exact site) and follow links from home page for XC results and rankings.

[WallofCorn XC]

boys?

[nyrunner09]

sooooo about those rankings?

[toetheline]

http://www.armorytrack.com/leaderboards/index.html#nysb

[themanontherun]

Someday you'll learn there are three types of people.

1. Those who believe that if it comes out of a computer it must be true.

2. Those who don't care if it's true but manipulate or interpret it to advance their own agenda.

3. Those who end up firing #1 and #2 above.

You forgot about type 4, you know, that group who has seen how accurate they are predicting big meet results within a place or two (see, feds/states/section 3 meet). There are many instances of the speed rating predicting very closely what the score of a meet is going to be and where teams will end up. You can't predict people having breakout or really bad races, but outside of that the speed ratings tend to be more accurate than not by a lot.

[MBoggs]

Wow, Shaker got moved way too far down - they were without one of their guys at Sectionals! If that's the way it works, how can Collegiate be #3 in the Fab Five?

Queensbury should be in the Fab 5 instead of Chaminade.

we more or less had two out/ i'll clarify. webster was out, and should be back soon. sniffen ran, but hadn't practiced all week, but he looked very solid again today at practice. we def should have been moved down though after our showing at sectionals

[the beez knees]

Wow, Shaker got moved way too far down - they were without one of their guys at Sectionals! If that's the way it works, how can Collegiate be #3 in the Fab Five?

Queensbury should be in the Fab 5 instead of Chaminade.


Right now, Liverpool is running better than both of those teams. After the win over FM, they deserve to be in the Fab 5.

[BigRed]

Qby: 186, 183, 182, 171, 170
L-pool: 180, 179, 177, 175, 174

Queensbury projects 2 points better in the average Federation race. Very close!

Beating FM isn't what it used to be. But Liverpool is indeed running well.

I think it will be hard for Liverpool to duplicate last weeks run, but having said that, I got to believe Heenan goes back to being their #1/2 guy.

[toetheline]

girls - http://www.armorytrack.com/leaderboards/nysg-week-9.htm#week9

boys - http://www.armorytrack.com/leaderboards/index.html#nysb

[BMan09]

I think it will be hard for Liverpool to duplicate last weeks run, but having said that, I got to believe Heenan goes back to being their #1/2 guy.

Nope, they didn't duplicate the sectionals run, however it was still good enough for 3rd, if they can do as well as they did at sectionals or better they should do pretty well at feds too

[BigRed]

Qby: 186, 183, 182, 171, 170
L-pool: 180, 179, 177, 175, 174

Queensbury projects 2 points better in the average Federation race. Very close!

Beating FM isn't what it used to be. But Liverpool is indeed running well.

As usual, the cream usually rises to the top at Feds, oh and I think most still think beating FM is a pretty big deal.

[Stay The Course]

Now that the Federation Meet is complete - I would assume end of season rankings would be forthcoming - ??