Who will be boys SW #2?

[mountainman]

With Academy looking like they'll easily keep the first spot, who will end up SW #2 at the end of the year? If Campbell County loses to Cheyenne Central at some point and Mountain View loses to Davis at some point I can't imagine who will end up #2 in the Southwest. Fort Collins lost this weekend to Cherry Creek, both Davis and Desert Vista didn't impress at Firman. Probably whoever wins the Rocky Mountain meet would be my guess. Maybe another good question is if Mountain View wins out but doesn't leave the state and Campbell County wins out, who's #2 then? Mountain View based on reputation or Campbell County based on travelling to Liberty Bell?

[runninxc]

Desert Vista will have a challenge this weekend. We might have a new NTN ranked team for the SW.

[watchout]

I don't see what wasn't impressive at Firman ... I thought that Davis ran ok, especially without Inkley. And Mountain Crest ran a GREAT race there! They were both very close to a couple very good teams in Central Catholic OR and Gig Harbor WA.

Davis:
3 Jared Ward 12 Davis 5:01.3 15:36.03 1
24 Spencer Anderson 11 Davis 5:20.0 16:33.92 21
26 Seth Gutzwiller 10 Davis 5:20.2 16:34.70 23
52 Bryson Snow 11 Davis 5:30.6 17:06.89 47
54 Jake Van Weezep 12 Davis 5:31.6 17:10.15 49
-66 Jared Clouse 12 Davis 5:36.5 17:25.38 61
-68 Chris Burnett 12 Davis 5:37.0 17:26.91 63

now, a 1:34 spread isnt normally that great, but in previous meets it had been bigger (1:44 at BYU) ... and this is without Inkley. Now, I don't know what's wrong with Nate, and I don't know if he's going to turn it around by the end of the season or not... but if he can run like he was running last year, this team is going to be good. If not, then it'll be a dogfight between them and Mountain View.

But again, Mountain Crest was really the team to talk about from Firman for the SW. Solid race by their guys

8 Justin Hedin 12 Mountain Crest 5:06.5 15:52.11 6
31 Zak Dymock 11 Mountain Crest 5:23.4 16:44.69 27
37 Kevin Dickey 11 Mountain Crest 5:25.0 16:49.66 32
42 Skylar Riggs 10 Mountain Crest 5:28.5 17:00.46 37
46 Neal Ferrin 11 Mountain Crest 5:29.5 17:03.57 41

not so great of a race by Ferrin... but look at the improvement of Dymock and Riggs! They are looking at a 68 second gap behind Hedin.... that's pretty damn good. And with Ferrin within 30 seconds of Hedin on most days, that'll put them in very good position.


ps:
http://www.geocities.com/utopianyatzi/xc06/Firman/Davis1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/utopianyatzi/xc06/Firman/Davis2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/utopianyatzi/xc06/Firman/Davis3.jpg


I think the 2nd one turned out best...

[mountainman]

well, given your Jared Ward is about inline with Ben Johnson from Academy estimate which seems about right you would have Firman being 30 seconds faster than Academy.

Academy:
Ben Johnson 15:36 1
Dustin Martin 15:50 5
Pat Zacharias 16:10 10
Taylor Murray 16:31 20
Kyle Cooper 16:36 24
total: 60

La Cueva
Marcus Porter 16:10 10
Matt Everett 16:22 18
Joel Frazier 16:53 34
Marcus Dowdican 16:55 35
Barry Claman 17:01 39
total: 135

Gallup
Sammy Smith 16:19 16
Ray Suina 16:34 22
Philbert Brown 16:47 30
Jim Donovan 16:50 33
Donovan Jackson 16:57 36
total: 137

Sandia
Todd Nickerson 16:25 20
Joel Hartenberger 16:25 21
Cory Kalm 16:27 22
Paul Amend 17:05 45
Eric Olivas 17:14 52
total: 160

Eldorado
Matt Tebo 15:10 1
Bryce Palmer 16:08 9
Kevin Palmer 16:54 34
James Jacoby 17:32 68
Steven Fitzwater 17:44 81
total: 193


Rio Rancho and Cibola are likely up with Gallup or at least with Sandia. Davis being about as good as 4 other NM teams outside of Academy is not worth SW #2 in my mind. As Hawaiianfiveoh has said, this is a weak year for Utah.

[watchout]

well, given your Jared Ward is about inline with Ben Johnson from Academy estimate which seems about right you would have Firman being 30 seconds faster than Academy.

Academy:
Ben Johnson 15:36 1
Dustin Martin 15:50 5
Pat Zacharias 16:10 10
Taylor Murray 16:31 20
Kyle Cooper 16:36 24
total: 60

La Cueva
Marcus Porter 16:10 10
Matt Everett 16:22 18
Joel Frazier 16:53 34
Marcus Dowdican 16:55 35
Barry Claman 17:01 39
total: 135

Gallup
Sammy Smith 16:19 16
Ray Suina 16:34 22
Philbert Brown 16:47 30
Jim Donovan 16:50 33
Donovan Jackson 16:57 36
total: 137

Sandia
Todd Nickerson 16:25 20
Joel Hartenberger 16:25 21
Cory Kalm 16:27 22
Paul Amend 17:05 45
Eric Olivas 17:14 52
total: 160

Eldorado
Matt Tebo 15:10 1
Bryce Palmer 16:08 9
Kevin Palmer 16:54 34
James Jacoby 17:32 68
Steven Fitzwater 17:44 81
total: 193


Rio Rancho and Cibola are likely up with Gallup or at least with Sandia. Davis being about as good as 4 other NM teams outside of Academy is not worth SW #2 in my mind. As Hawaiianfiveoh has said, this is a weak year for Utah.


where did you get full results from Albuquerque?

[mountainman]

my connections came through :)
heres full results

Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =====================
1 TEBO, MATT ELDORADO BOYS 15:40.64 1
2 JOHNSON, BEN ACADEMY BOYS 16:06.51 2
3 MARTIN, DUSTIN ACADEMY BOYS 16:20.41 3
4 PALMER, BRYCE ELDORADO BOYS 16:38.40 4
5 PORTER, MARCUS LA CUEVA BOYS 16:40.03 5
6 PITTMAN, ALLEN LOS ALAMOS BOYS 16:40.39 6
7 ZACHARIAS, PAT ACADEMY BOYS 16:40.84 7
8 GILNA, GARETH LOS ALAMOS BOYS 16:44.04 8
9 SMITH, SAMMY GALLUP BOYS 16:49.05 9
10 ROMERO, NATHAN LOS ALAMOS BOYS 16:50.18 10
11 EVERETT, MATT LA CUEVA BOYS 16:52.92 11
12 NICKERSON, TODD SANDIA BOYS 16:55.22 12
13 HARTENBERGER, JOEL SANDIA BOYS 16:55.73 13
14 KALM, CORY SANDIA BOYS 16:57.92 14
15 MURRAY, TAYLOR ACADEMY BOYS 17:01.63 15
16 SUINA, RAY GALLUP BOYS 17:04.63 16
17 COOPER, KYLE ACADEMY BOYS 17:06.37 17
18 BROWN, PHILBERT GALLUP BOYS 17:17.98 18
19 JIM, DONOVAN GALLUP BOYS 17:20.74 19
20 FRAZIER, JOEL LA CUEVA BOYS 17:23.61 20
21 PALMER, KEVIN ELDORADO BOYS 17:24.08 21
22 VALLO, GREG LAGUNA ACOMA BOYS 17:24.52 22
23 CAMPBELL, DAMON ACADEMY BOYS 17:24.97 23
24 DOWDICAN, MARCUS LA CUEVA BOYS 17:25.38 24
25 JACKSON, DONAVAN GALLUP BOYS 17:27.44 25
26 CLAMAN, BARRY LA CUEVA BOYS 17:31.49 26
27 AMEND, PAUL SANDIA BOYS 17:35.16 27
28 TRUJILLO, JOHN POJOAQUE BOYS 17:39.30 28
29 OLIVAS, ERIC SANDIA BOYS 17:44.80 29
30 CONCHO, GEORGE LAGUNA ACOMA BOYS 17:47.96 30
31 MILLER, JUSTIN C GRANTS BOYS 17:51.29 31
32 FEDDEMA, DAVID ACADEMY BOYS 17:56.96 32
33 MARTINEZ, MICHAEL POJOAQUE BOYS 17:58.09 33
34 JACOBY, JAMES ELDORADO BOYS 18:02.83 34
35 YEO, PETER LA CUEVA BOYS 18:08.61 35
36 BOWIDOWICZ, TOM LOS ALAMOS BOYS 18:09.07 36
37 RAMONE, CORBITT GALLUP BOYS 18:10.45 37
38 SHIJE, DILLON SANDIA PREP BOYS 18:10.86 38
39 FITZWATER, STEVEN ELDORADO BOYS 18:14.23 39
40 TOUCHINE, MAURICE GALLUP BOYS 18:14.69 40
41 KLOER, MYLES SANDIA BOYS 18:16.08 41
42 PITTMAN, KYLE LOS ALAMOS BOYS 18:16.49 42
43 MILLER, JUSTIN B GRANTS BOYS 18:18.06 43
44 TENORIO, LANCE BERNALILLO BOYS 18:24.29 44
45 GONZALES, CARLOS BERNALILLO BOYS 18:26.08 45
46 PETERSON, KEMPER ELDORADO BOYS 18:31.31 46
47 DING, YUEWEN LOS ALAMOS BOYS 18:36.24 47
48 NELSON, KYLE GRANTS BOYS 18:36.60 48
49 VIERRA, ANDREW LOS ALAMOS BOYS 18:39.13 49
50 DELGADILLO, MARIO POJOAQUE BOYS 18:40.45 50
51 RODRIGUEZ, RYAN ELDORADO BOYS 18:50.05 51
52 PINO, TYLER LAGUNA ACOMA BOYS 18:56.80 52
53 MILLER, RANDY TOHATCHI BOYS 19:06.60 53
54 SANCHEZ, JOE POJOAQUE BOYS 19:16.54 54
55 HERNANDEZ, CHRIS POJOAQUE BOYS 19:16.99 55
56 SODEN, GALEN SANDIA PREP BOYS 19:18.58 56
57 SALAZER, MATTHEW POJOAQUE BOYS 19:24.58 57
58 BINION, JUDE POJOAQUE BOYS 19:27.11 58
59 OOSAFSKI, ROBIN SANDIA PREP BOYS 19:48.96 59
60 CHINO, DAKOTA GRANTS BOYS 19:49.75 60
61 ROMERO, JOSH TAOS BOYS 19:56.93
62 SAIZ, JOHN SANDIA PREP BOYS 19:57.65 61
63 OLSON, JACK SANDIA PREP BOYS 20:01.96 62
64 LEWIS, ETHAN LAGUNA ACOMA BOYS 20:02.75 63
65 DOUMA, COREY LAGUNA ACOMA BOYS 20:13.97 64
66 SANCHEZ, SEAN GRANTS BOYS 20:15.00 65
67 DALLAS, KYLE BERNALILLO BOYS 20:21.98 66
68 GALINDO, NICK GRANTS BOYS 20:23.88 67
69 MILLER, KENDELL TOHATCHI BOYS 20:37.09 68
70 ROBERTS, MARIO TOHATCHI BOYS 20:38.75 69
71 GALLEOS, JEREMY GRANTS BOYS 20:40.00 70
72 HOKE, JENSEN SANDIA PREP BOYS 20:47.53 71
73 CHAVEZ, JORDAN BERNALILLO BOYS 20:48.74 72
74 ARVISO, MARVIN TOHATCHI BOYS 20:55.20 73
75 SMITH, JEREMY TOHATCHI BOYS 20:55.50 74
76 GIOMBOLINI, ANTHONY SANDIA PREP BOYS 20:57.64 75
77 GACHUPIN, JORDAN BERNALILLO BOYS 21:06.97 76
78 TRUJILLO, ARCENIO TAOS BOYS 21:09.43
79 SANCHEZ, BRANDON LAGUNA ACOMA BOYS 21:18.86 77
80 FERNANDO, STEVEN LAGUNA ACOMA BOYS 21:45.80 78
81 GAFFNEY, LEWIS TAOS BOYS 21:59.25
82 JOHN, DION TOHATCHI BOYS 22:03.46 79
83 TOYA, STEVEN BERNALILLO BOYS 23:30.42 80


Rank Team Total 1 2 3 4 5 *6 *7 *8 *9
================================================== ===============================
1 ALBUQUERQUE ACADEMY BOYS 44 2 3 7 15 17 23 32
Total Time: 1:23:15.76
Average: 16:39.16
2 LA CUEVA BOYS 86 5 11 20 24 26 35
Total Time: 1:25:53.43
Average: 17:10.69
3 GALLUP BOYS 87 9 16 18 19 25 37 40
Total Time: 1:25:59.84
Average: 17:11.97
4 SANDIA BOYS 95 12 13 14 27 29 41
Total Time: 1:26:08.83
Average: 17:13.77
5 ELDORADO BOYS 99 1 4 21 34 39 46 51
Total Time: 1:26:00.18
Average: 17:12.04
6 LOS ALAMOS BOYS 102 6 8 10 36 42 47 49
Total Time: 1:26:40.17
Average: 17:20.04
7 POJOAQUE BOYS 220
8 LAGUNA ACOMA BOYS 231
9 GRANTS BOYS 247
10 SANDIA PREP BOYS 276
11 BERNALILLO BOYS 303
12 TOHATCHI BOYS 337

[watchout]

Thanks!!!

[runninxc]

This weekend will be a good meet in AZ. Doug Conley where the top 20 teams only race.

Rio Rico just came off a good meet (Los Mezquites). Where they won by almost 100 points. There #1 JV runner would have been 9th in the meet overall. And there score would of won by 100 or more. The results are here. http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1128/404253.txt
and the team results
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1128/404257.txt

[mountainman]

runninxc, could you post boys and girls results from Doug Conley meet as soon as possible? Rio Rico boys and O'Connor girls are both very interesting to me but getting info on AZ teams here is hard to find sometimes.

[runninxc]

Sure thing. I get all my results from either http://arizonavarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1128&CID=407665
or arizonatrack.com

[mountainman]

Given Recent results I would say SW#2 should go to whichever WY team beats the other. Maybe Rio Rico will crush at Doug Conley, maybe them then. I don't think any UT or CO teams can really make a case over the WY teams now.

[gyt1234]

Rio Rico and O'Connor ran awesome at Conely over here in Arizona, I truly believe that Rio Rico could do some damage Nationally, they just never leave the state to compete
here are the results: http://www.milliseconds.com/ResultsQuery.php?varRaceID=895

[runninxc]

Yes Rio Rico won by quiet a bit. Molera ran about 20 seconds slower than he did last year but they still won by quite a big margin for this being the top 20 teams in the state winning by 58 points! I believe there 1-5 is 26 seconds.

Rio Rico will be racing at Mt. Sac in the Division 1 or 2 race from what i heard.

Also congrats to Victor Zazueta and his win at Doug Conley running away from everyone in the last 3/4 - 1mile.

The direct link to results is http://www.milliseconds.com/PDF/Varsity_Team.pdf

[watchout]

well, the spread is nice... but Desert Vista was in that race, so it'd be easy to look at how they would compare to some more national teams, and even regional teams.

DV at Firman:
14 Matt Boughton 11 Desert Vista 5:12.6 16:11.10 11
22 Matt Swift-Kraemer 12 Desert Vista 5:16.9 16:24.54 19
44 Sean Rutledge 12 Desert Vista 5:29.1 17:02.43 39
57 Aziel Koski 12 Desert Vista 5:33.4 17:15.58 52
60 Chris Conway 11 Desert Vista 5:33.8 17:16.95 55
64 Erik Woodward 12 Desert Vista 5:36.1 17:24.10 59


DV at Conley:
7 Boughton 16:18.22
21 Rutledge 16:43.89
23 Swift-Kraemer 16:49.01
56 Conway 17:18.31
57 Woodward 17:18.51
76 Koski 17:29.71

Boughton: 16:11/16:18
Rutledge: 17:02/16:43
Swift-Kraemer: 16:49/16:24
Conway: 17:18/17:17
Woodward: 17:18/17:24

looks like Rutledge and Kramer just had bad races... courses are around the same speed.

so....

Molera 16:26.63 = 16:27 = 19.5 BF points
Evans 16:36.31 = 16:37 = 23.5 BF points
Hernandez 16:42.29 = 16:43 = 25.5 BF points
Fraizer 16:46.52 = 16:47 = 29.5 BF points
Reyes 16:52.66 = 16:53 = 33.5 BF points

Team score: 131.5, placing them about 9/10 points ahead of what Davis ran.

[mountainman]

so....who's SW #2 now?
Campbell County lost to Cheyenne Central on a tiebreaker
Mt. View lost to Davis
Rio Rico looked good but about as good as everyone else
Wheat Ridge looked good this weekend
Gallup looked good with their top runner starting to run like it
you could almost make a case for 2 WY teams, 1 AZ team, 2 UT teams, 2-3 CO teams and 2-3 NM teams all for the #2 spot. Either way, 2-15 or so is all really congested for the boys right now.

[RockyRegion]

Campbell County, Wheat Ridge, or Cheyenne Central. It remains a toss-up, they should hold off ranking this one for another week.

[runninxc]

looks like Rutledge and Kramer just had bad races... courses are around the same speed.

so....

Molera 16:26.63 = 16:27 = 19.5 BF points
Evans 16:36.31 = 16:37 = 23.5 BF points
Hernandez 16:42.29 = 16:43 = 25.5 BF points
Fraizer 16:46.52 = 16:47 = 29.5 BF points
Reyes 16:52.66 = 16:53 = 33.5 BF points

Team score: 131.5, placing them about 9/10 points ahead of what Davis ran.

Molera and Reyes had a bad race. Molera was 16 seconds slower than last year and Reyes is usually the #3 man. So....Either way they proved they are the best and a pretty dominating team of arizona.

[watchout]

so....who's SW #2 now?
Campbell County lost to Cheyenne Central on a tiebreaker
Mt. View lost to Davis
Rio Rico looked good but about as good as everyone else
Wheat Ridge looked good this weekend
Gallup looked good with their top runner starting to run like it
you could almost make a case for 2 WY teams, 1 AZ team, 2 UT teams, 2-3 CO teams and 2-3 NM teams all for the #2 spot. Either way, 2-15 or so is all really congested for the boys right now.

Campbell County and Cheyenne Central are both VERY impressive...

Mt. View and Davis are both very close, not really quite sure how to rank them.

Rio Rico looked very impressive against AZ competition, look close to Davis/MV et al

Wheat Ridge has no front runner, but have a very nice pack... but the lack of a decent frontrunner kills them too much in elite competition.

NM#2, whoever it ends up being, also look very strong...

right now, I'd have to say either Campbell County, Cheyenne Central, Mt. View, Davis, or Rio Rico... but definately keep an eye on New Mexico!

[Shiny Heiny]

Campbell County, Wheat Ridge, or Cheyenne Central. It remains a toss-up, they should hold off ranking this one for another week.

Ok, this is how I see the SW Top 10:

1) of course, AA (NM)
2) Cheyenne Central (WY)
3) Campbell County (WY)
4) Wheat Ridge (CO)
5) Rio Rico (AZ)
6) Gallup (NM)
7) Cherry Creek (CO)
8) Ft Collins (CO)
9) Davis (UT)
10) Chaparral (CO)

With Davis losing Inkely, I see them dropping considerably. Also, Cheyenne Central is good, but Campbell Cty has already beaten them this year, and that was in a much bigger meet (Liberty Bell). Not to mention, when I combined the LB results, WR ended up only 9 points behind Cheyenne Central...Also, I compared WRs 5 with Rio Rico's 5, and they are virtually the same!!! So that kinda tells you where Rio Rico stands as well. And Mtn View? I think theyre gonna need a miracle after losing Coulson Goodwin. But all in all, I'd say 2-5 are EXTREMELY CLOSE!!!

[dartman]

Ok, this is how I see the SW Top 10:

1) of course, AA (NM)
2) Cheyenne Central (WY)
3) Campbell County (WY)
4) Wheat Ridge (CO)
5) Rio Rico (AZ)
6) Gallup (NM)
7) Cherry Creek (CO)
8) Ft Collins (CO)
9) Davis (UT)
10) Chaparral (CO)

With Davis losing Inkely, I see them dropping considerably. Also, Cheyenne Central is good, but Campbell Cty has already beaten them this year, and that was in a much bigger meet (Liberty Bell). Not to mention, when I combined the LB results, WR ended up only 9 points behind Cheyenne Central...Also, I compared WRs 5 with Rio Rico's 5, and they are virtually the same!!! So that kinda tells you where Rio Rico stands as well. And Mtn View? I think theyre gonna need a miracle after losing Coulson Goodwin. But all in all, I'd say 2-5 are EXTREMELY CLOSE!!!
Inkley hasn't really done anything for Davis all year so I don't think it'll make a difference. He didn't run at Firman or Orem. It's unfortunate that he's not more committed but they'll have other guys step up, I think. Jake Van Weezeup is running better every week

[hawaiianfiveoh]

Cheyenne Central (WY)
Campbell County (WY)
Wheat Ridge (CO)
Rio Rico (AZ)

These teams are going to be very tricky...seeing as they seem to be at about the same level when rested, and are coming on strong right now.

Good luck...I am holding my judgement on WR, CC, and CCent until NOV 4 when they all face each other. Prior to that, it is just to damn hard to tell.

IMO though..I am going to say that they (NIKE) will be hardpressed to keep Rio Rico out of #2 after AZ state meet. Making that NOV battle even more deciding.