View Full Version : Lafollette vs. SPASH
JMegs13
09-26-2006, 03:34 PM
WI #1 Madison Lafollette will take on WI #2 Stevens Point this weekend for Wisco supremacy. I know most of the people on this board think Wisconsin is weak, but I'd like to say either of these teams could be top 7 in the MW if they are given the chance by season's end.
skutz000
10-01-2006, 03:20 PM
i think La Follette will beat them at state mainly because of their 1-2-3 and theyre 4-5 can stick with SPASH's 4-5 so i think they are a better state team
JMegs13
10-01-2006, 03:26 PM
Lafollette goes 1-2-3 to win, 36-44
Breakdown:
Madison Lafollette
1. Buchanon 16:03
2. Eklof 16:15
3. Prusynski 16:17
14. Brill 16:41
16. Bohn 16:55
36 Points, 16:26 Average
Stevens Point
4. Pliska 16:20
6. Zdroik 16:30
9. Hopp 16:36
10. Smith 16:36
15. Winkelman 16:47
44 Points, 16:34 Average
Historically, the times at this invite have been within 5-7 seconds either way of the WI state course, and to my knowledge, no team has ever averaged even close to 16:20 there. But if anyone does read this, I doubt they will give either of these teams much credit, because the MW is only really made up of IL, OH, MI, and IN, right??
newestmember
10-01-2006, 04:00 PM
Right. We still remember Mad West's performance in 2004.
skutz000
10-01-2006, 05:30 PM
Right. We still remember Mad West's performance in 2004.
oh man you're totally right, because of them no wisconsin team can ever be good ever again, darn!
watchout
10-01-2006, 07:53 PM
well.. given all that Wisconsin has shown us this year, is there really any reason to believe that these teams are top-7 MW capable?
how close are these guys to runners like Perkins/Morey/Klein? or anyone that ran at Griak?
JMegs13
10-01-2006, 11:05 PM
well.. given all that Wisconsin has shown us this year, is there really any reason to believe that these teams are top-7 MW capable?
how close are these guys to runners like Perkins/Morey/Klein? or anyone that ran at Griak?
The week before Griak, Pliska was 53 seconds behind Morey, but only 21 seconds behind Perkins. He was also 33 seconds behind Morey on September 1st. At that same meet on September 1st, he was 7 seconds ahead of Jones (Marquette) who ran 16:53 at Griak.
Marquette also raced Lafollette the week before Griak, and Buchanon had an off day, so Eklof was their #1, 27 seconds ahead of Jones. Prusynski was 17 seconds ahead of Jones there as well.
This is pretty arbitrary, but....giving Buchanan 25 seconds on Jones seems about fair. If you use that, and apply it to the Stoughton gaps, here are estimated Lafollette Griak times/places:
11.5 16:28
17.5 16:40
18.5 16:42
34.5 17:06
53.5 17:20
Total: 135.5
This post will probably get ripped to shreds, but really--they're that good. And none of those 5 are seniors.
Speaking from personal experience: The only other teams (besides Lafollette) to put 5 guys in front of our #2 this year were Potosi and Ft. Zumwalt South.
daman
10-01-2006, 11:11 PM
Right. We still remember Mad West's performance in 2004.:D heehee
J_Kerska
10-02-2006, 01:58 PM
next year when lof. returns all 5 scorers and they win the midwest wisco will have the last laugh.
jagerbomb
10-02-2006, 02:46 PM
next year when lof. returns all 5 scorers and they win the midwest wisco will have the last laugh.
york?
daman
10-03-2006, 09:11 AM
next year when lof. returns all 5 scorers and they win the midwest wisco will have the last laugh.lof/laugh....haha.....
next year when lof. returns all 5 scorers and they win the midwest wisco will have the last laugh.
if all their guys improve again for next year then they seem to be considerable to get a bid, but thats another story and who knows what could happen.
As for this year, I think they are easily good enough to get ranked like 9th or 10th maybe but thats not worth fighting and arguing for, who cares, those teams never get considered and it would be a moot point, plus LaFollette should worry more about winning state as they seemed to have leveled out for the year, maybe too hard of a summer for them?
bbop08
10-07-2006, 10:40 PM
if all their guys improve again for next year then they seem to be considerable to get a bid, but thats another story and who knows what could happen.
As for this year, I think they are easily good enough to get ranked like 9th or 10th maybe but thats not worth fighting and arguing for, who cares, those teams never get considered and it would be a moot point, plus LaFollette should worry more about winning state as they seemed to have leveled out for the year, maybe too hard of a summer for them?
Leveled out? How do you figure that one? Somebody always has something to say no matter what happens. :rolleyes:
Leveled out? How do you figure that one? Somebody always has something to say no matter what happens. :rolleyes:
all I'm saying is they are definatly not runaway favorites to win state based on how other teams are running right now. Theres like 3 other teams that are as close to as good as them.
Japhy
10-12-2006, 01:15 PM
The 2004 Mad West team was obviously very deep, but had no top-end talent, so at a meet like NTN, they got killed and promptly killed Whitefish Bay's chance in 2005.
In another spin of results, Willmar, MN was 14th of 20 in '05 and won the MN state meet by only 7 points ahead of Stillwater. Earlier in the season, Whitefish Bay destroyed Stillwater 41-103, placing 5 ahead of Stillwater's
2nd (yes, Stillwater ran their top Varsity). One could make a reasonable argument that Bay was considerably better than Willmar and could have easily placed in top half of NTN, perhaps paving the way for LaFollette or Spash or whoever to get some respect for '06.
JMegs13
10-12-2006, 07:49 PM
The 2004 Mad West team was obviously very deep, but had no top-end talent, so at a meet like NTN, they got killed and promptly killed Whitefish Bay's chance in 2005.
In another spin of results, Willmar, MN was 14th of 20 in '05 and won the MN state meet by only 7 points ahead of Stillwater. Earlier in the season, Whitefish Bay destroyed Stillwater 41-103, placing 5 ahead of Stillwater's
2nd (yes, Stillwater ran their top Varsity). One could make a reasonable argument that Bay was considerably better than Willmar and could have easily placed in top half of NTN, perhaps paving the way for LaFollette or Spash or whoever to get some respect for '06.
but illinois is sooooo good. :rolleyes:
the only problem is that SPASH and LaFollette are both very similar teams to MadWest04. None of the guys on either team are legitimate frontrunners in a big time meet. Both are very strong in state teams but once you go out of state the lack of front runners becomes apparant and the team score suffers.
bbop08
10-12-2006, 11:10 PM
the only problem is that SPASH and LaFollette are both very similar teams to MadWest04. None of the guys on either team are legitimate frontrunners in a big time meet. Both are very strong in state teams but once you go out of state the lack of front runners becomes apparant and the team score suffers.
Would have to disagree on LaFollette having no decent frontrunners. To be a legite team do you have to have an individual state winner? LaFollette has a couple guys with the ability to break 16 as they have had a couple go pretty low in big meets. 1,2,3 at a decent competitve Stoughton Invite. The Marquette Invite when one of their top guys ran horrible they were up there. They have had guys compete with the people such as Lepkowski and Werve, Kelly, Christianson, Agnew and for the most part preformed pretty well. Not saying they are world beaters but have decent frontrunning abilities. Granted they haven't been tested in an "out of state meet" so I guess just end the discussion right away. Sorry I just had to disagree with that one. ;)
Would have to disagree on LaFollette having no decent frontrunners. To be a legite team do you have to have an individual state winner? LaFollette has a couple guys with the ability to break 16 as they have had a couple go pretty low in big meets. 1,2,3 at a decent competitve Stoughton Invite. The Marquette Invite when one of their top guys ran horrible they were up there. They have had guys compete with the people such as Lepkowski and Werve, Kelly, Christianson, Agnew and for the most part preformed pretty well. Not saying they are world beaters but have decent frontrunning abilities. Granted they haven't been tested in an "out of state meet" so I guess just end the discussion right away. Sorry I just had to disagree with that one. ;)
I'm not doubting that they have the possibility to be front runners, but they have not proven that they can be in a big meet(state perhaps), until they prove that I can't say that their guys can break 16 and run with guys who can medal at state.
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