University of Utah... they pull this after a BCS birth... this STINKS!

[ithrowthereforeiam]

U. to Discontinue Men's Track/Cross Country Program (http://utahutes.collegesports.com/sports/c-track/spec-rel/051805aaa.html)

Move designed to improve funding for other sports
May 18, 2005

SALT LAKE CITY -- The University of Utah has discontinued its men's track and field and cross country programs in a move designed to redirect funds to help strengthen other sports, Director of Athletics Dr. Chris Hill announced today.

Scholarships for the discontinued sports will be honored should the student-athletes choose to remain at Utah. Releases will be offered to those who wish to transfer to other schools, where they will be eligible to participate immediately.

"We have never been able to fund men's cross country and track at a level that would allow us to have realistic team goals. The reality is that we believe a reallocation of resources will strengthen our other programs that we believe have more potential for success. Some of our programs are not fully-funded and this will give us a chance to get closer to that goal," said Hill. "The timing of this decision may seem unusual since we are in compliance with gender equity, but after a careful review of our athletics program, we felt a change was needed for our overall well being."

The move will free up five scholarships, as well as travel, equipment and coaching dollars for other sports. The U. will sponsor 18 sports starting in fall of 2005: 11 for women (basketball, cross country, indoor and outdoor track and field, gymnastics, skiing, soccer, softball, swimming and diving, tennis and volleyball) and seven for men (baseball, basketball, football, golf, skiing, swimming and diving and tennis).

A national search will begin immediately for a director of Utah's women's cross country and track and field programs.

[ratherplayball]

this just shows the intelligence that the U has. But now they think they're all big and bad so they do crap like this. guess that's what ya get for goin undefeated in football

[dartman]

obviously it doesn't stink that bad or at least it doesn't mean that much to you if it took you 3 weeks to realize it. they weren't good anyway

[ratherplayball]

hey dartman, just cuz the U isn't as good as BYU, don't mean they're no good. and this thrower kid doesn't really care, he just wanted to be cool and start a thread, so he decided to talk about the U. plus, not everyone spends their whole life on the computer like you.

[madmartigan]

hey dartman, just cuz the U isn't as good as BYU, don't mean they're no good. and this thrower kid doesn't really care, he just wanted to be cool and start a thread, so he decided to talk about the U. plus, not everyone spends their whole life on the computer like you.

dont start crap with dartman. he doesnt like byu any more than the u. and he doesnt spend his whole life on the computer either. its a legit thread and i dont care who started it.

i dont bag on you because your name sucks.

[madmartigan]

they should have cut mens golf, tennis and diving. they all suck and arent even athletic sports (dont try and argue that point with me). or cut the undefeated football team...

the U didnt even try to build their team and for the last few years its gone down hill until finally they just cut it.

they probably werent even full scholarships anyway. most coligiate running programs split their scolarships so more money can go around whereas third string freshmen football players get full rides. of course, the director of athletics is usually in bed with the football coach.

to cut the program alltogether is bureaucratic bull crap. they could have continued to fund the program (which doesnt cost a lot yet still wasnt fully funded) and pinched pennys somwhere else but once again the runners get craped on.

[Bandit]

U. to Discontinue Men's Track/Cross Country Program (http://utahutes.collegesports.com/sports/c-track/spec-rel/051805aaa.html)

[B] The U. will sponsor 18 sports starting in fall of 2005: 11 for women (basketball, cross country, indoor and outdoor track and field, gymnastics, skiing, soccer, softball, swimming and diving, tennis and volleyball) and seven for men (baseball, basketball, football, golf, skiing, swimming and diving and tennis).

A national search will begin immediately for a director of Utah's women's cross country and track and field programs.
looks like Title 9 is working really good, looks like there is plenty of equality between men and women's sports. (<sarcasm, if you didn't notice.) I think the NCAA is stupid and should realize it isn't working, and make that rule only apply to sports that boys and girls both have. Male runners have been getting screwed for way too long, because of Football. (figures, that's how it is in high school too.)
By the way, how are they going to run just a women's Track and XC team without a men's program? that seems weird.

[GuitarJ87]

Amen, Burn down all of the U's campus, will you donate five dollars if it comes to that.

[madmartigan]

looks like Title 9 is working really good, looks like there is plenty of equality between men and women's sports. (<sarcasm, if you didn't notice.) I think the NCAA is stupid and should realize it isn't working, and make that rule only apply to sports that boys and girls both have. Male runners have been getting screwed for way too long, because of Football. (figures, that's how it is in high school too.)
By the way, how are they going to run just a women's Track and XC team without a men's program? that seems weird.

yeah. title IX does suck but the U's track and field program wasnt cut to create equality. it was to redirect funds. an article in the deseret news said the school was already in compliance with title IX.

if there were no girls on the team i was running for, id transfer

[seasiderxc]

looks like Title 9 is working really good, looks like there is plenty of equality between men and women's sports. (<sarcasm, if you didn't notice.) I think the NCAA is stupid and should realize it isn't working, and make that rule only apply to sports that boys and girls both have. Male runners have been getting screwed for way too long, because of Football. (figures, that's how it is in high school too.)
By the way, how are they going to run just a women's Track and XC team without a men's program? that seems weird.

"good" to "well". (davis education......)

[seasiderxc]

that's too bad about the U. i know they werent as good as the Y, but do the good runners in utah really prefer BYU?

[madmartigan]

"good" to "well". (davis education......)

no.

[madmartigan]

that's too bad about the U. i know they werent as good as the Y, but do the good runners in utah really prefer BYU?

no. they prefer WSU, or they should.

[seasiderxc]

no. they prefer WSU, or they should.

ummm no. that was a serious question.

[madmartigan]

ummm no. that was a serious question.

and i gave you a serious answer. until byu started handing out scholarships like candy, WSU was the place to go to get payed to run well. it still is. SUU is pretty good too.

[seasiderxc]

and i gave you a serious answer. until byu started handing out scholarships like candy, WSU was the place to go to get payed to run well. it still is. SUU is pretty good too.
by the name "WSU" you are referring to Washington State i take it? because if you are, i heard about the WA to UT trade off before. but their team isnt good at all. word on the street is heidi houle is heading to SUU.

[madmartigan]

by the name "WSU" you are referring to Washington State i take it? because if you are, i heard about the WA to UT trade off before. but their team isnt good at all. word on the street is heidi houle is heading to SUU.

no. sorry about the misunderstanding. Weber State University in ogden, northern utah.

yeah, she's going to SUU

[seasiderxc]

no. sorry about the misunderstanding. Weber State University in ogden, northern utah.

yeah, she's going to SUU
my neighbor is going to weber state this fall. i didnt know they were that good. which is better, weber st or utah st?

[madmartigan]

my neighbor is going to weber state this fall. i didnt know they were that good. which is better, weber st or utah st?

Running, Weber. Other wise they are both good academically. Weber is a commuter school, mostly

[dartman]

Aaron, it sounds like you know a lot about this stuff.

[dartman]

"good" to "well". (davis education......)
"seasiderxc" to "i need to shut up" (brandon education......)

[seasiderxc]

"seasiderxc" to "i need to shut up" (brandon education......)
clever..... im sorry if you're so connected to your school that remarks like that offend. "dartman" to "4:40+ mile" (if that's how you want to play) but i will admit that i would rather go to davis then prairie. (sorry if the comment was below the belt)

[ithrowthereforeiam]

obviously it doesn't stink that bad or at least it doesn't mean that much to you if it took you 3 weeks to realize it. they weren't good anyway

The speculation was out there sometime before the program was actually cut and their lack of signees ended any slight momentum to prevent this from happening.

It is unfortunate that you'd assume it took me "3 weeks to realize it" just because I didn't rush and post it on this message board. I am a casual follower on the board and not someone that posts 10 posts a day.

The purpose of the post was for discussion on a topic that anyone who plans to run competitively beyond high school (or any true enthusiast of the sport) should be concerned with. I can now see I posted this on the wrong board.

[dartman]

clever..... im sorry if you're so connected to your school that remarks like that offend. "dartman" to "4:40+ mile" (if that's how you want to play) but i will admit that i would rather go to davis then prairie. (sorry if the comment was below the belt)
it's all good. just so you know, i ran sub 4:40 a few times this year so maybe tara just didn't give you the right update or something. i shouldn't even say anything though because that still sucks. i know i'm not fast but i don't try to make people think i'm fast either.
oh, and since you seem like quite the educator, you might want to change "then" to "than".
and while you're at it, speaking of times, what was it that you ran at simplot?

[dartman]

The speculation was out there sometime before the program was actually cut and their lack of signees ended any slight momentum to prevent this from happening.

It is unfortunate that you'd assume it took me "3 weeks to realize it" just because I didn't rush and post it on this message board. I am a casual follower on the board and not someone that posts 10 posts a day.

The purpose of the post was for discussion on a topic that anyone who plans to run competitively beyond high school (or any true enthusiast of the sport) should be concerned with. I can now see I posted this on the wrong board.
Sorry, I'm just an immature kid in High School who doesn't like the University of Utah. I shouldn't have said anything.

[Bandit]

"good" to "well". (davis education......)



here are some words of wisdom...
"To the ignorant even the words of the wise seem foolishness."
Euripides


translation= shut up you dumbnut, or i will break your stupid face.

[Bandit]

clever..... im sorry if you're so connected to your school that remarks like that offend. "dartman" to "4:40+ mile" (if that's how you want to play) but i will admit that i would rather go to davis then prairie. (sorry if the comment was below the belt)
that's not even funny man. I don't think you have any room to talk, i remember you talking some smack at simplot....what was your time again? too bad your legs don't move as fast as your mouth. All i have to say is that i think it's time you learned some respect. Seth is a way cool kid, you mess with him you fruitcake and you mess with me. If you haven't caught on yet, i don't like you. I had nothing against you until i started reading the crap you have been posting.

[ratherplayball]

that's not even funny man. I don't think you have any room to talk, i remember you talking some smack at simplot....what was your time again? too bad your legs don't move as fast as your mouth. All i have to say is that i think it's time you learned some respect. Seth is a way cool kid, you mess with him you fruitcake and you mess with me. If you haven't caught on yet, i don't like you. I had nothing against you until i started reading the crap you have been posting.

i agree, you mess with seth, and you got problems. i ain't never even seen you and you sound like a total loser. but i guess i should have know when you got all obsesed with tara. what's your problem, can't get any girls in washington, so you gotta move on to utah where you can just have long distance relationship where ya'll only see each other a couple times a year?
And it sounds like you talk way too much for how fast you can run. apparently you didn't have that great of a performance at simplot huh? oh well, i guess that's why you're goin to BYUH, right?

[homegrown]

that sucks that the u cut it's program. but all in all it's about par for the course. we're in america right, and the one thing americans love more than anything else is money. so why would they support a sport that won't earn them any money?

oh yea, seaslider. you're an idiot. get a girlfriend. stop hating.

[dartman]

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600139829,00.html
Chris Hill is dumb

[seasiderxc]

alright lets get some things straight.......1st, i have no problem with seth. he's my favorite guy in utah (without me sounding gay). 2nd, i never ran my mouth at simplot, i told everyone going into the race that i had never run the 3200 before and i just went with ryan because he went to xc nationals with me. 3rd, speaking of xc nationals, yeah "all american" for USATFXC hmmmm gives me just a little room to brag. 4th, im going to BYUH because of the xc scholarship. and todd, dont think that you're backing seth up. the "talking" started between you and i, and he had to back you up.

[dartman]

3rd, speaking of xc nationals, yeah "all american" for USATFXC hmmmm gives me just a little room to brag.
the real high school cross country national championship isn't even USATFXC, it's the footlocker national championships. so, as long as you keep that "all american" in quotation marks you should be fine, because that's what it is.
i'm not saying you're not good - i think you are good - it's just interesting when good runners try to make everyone believe that they're great runners. there's no hatin' though

[Bandit]

alright lets get some things straight.......1st, i have no problem with seth. he's my favorite guy in utah (without me sounding gay). 2nd, i never ran my mouth at simplot, i told everyone going into the race that i had never run the 3200 before and i just went with ryan because he went to xc nationals with me. 3rd, speaking of xc nationals, yeah "all american" for USATFXC hmmmm gives me just a little room to brag. 4th, im going to BYUH because of the xc scholarship. and todd, dont think that you're backing seth up. the "talking" started between you and i, and he had to back you up.
Is that how you treat all of your friends...by telling them they are slow? I think you have an inferiority complex, and you think that everyone will think you are cool if you brag about what you can do. I think all it's done is made you look like a c ocky idiot. You give a bad name to our sport, and i don't wanna talk to you anymore. If you were a real athlete you wouldn't go around boasting of accomplishments, you would encourage others and most importantly respect the other athletes of our sport, competitiveness belongs on the Track. Maybe if you used all of the energy you use bragging for training, you could be even faster. You remind me of a football kid...(and that is one of the lowest insults i could ever give a runner.) I hope you aren't really as big of an idiot as I think you are, i should try to look for the good in people i guess. So prove me wrong, and shut up unless you have something good too say, that might actually be beneficial to anyone.

[madmartigan]

i'd like to see where the U redirected the money they got from cutting the TFXC program. my guesses:

chris hall's pocket
the football team
the golf team (i hate golf)
some pot-smoking uber-liberal hippies

[dartman]

probably

[homegrown]

some pot-smoking uber-liberal hippies
believe it or not, but the u is a fairly conservative school, as far as national standards go. but i don't want to argue that.

i must admit i wondered the same thing aaron. five scholarships, that's not too much money, maybe $50 grand (four year full tuition). considering the fact that the football team made at least $5 MILLION when they won the fiesta bowl, that is a small percentage (about 1 percent, to be precise). will five scholarships (or one percent), one way or the other, really make a difference in the athletic department's fiscal policy?

[mvrunner]

i read in the paper today that u of u were asked to reconsider so they are reconsidering! :confused:

[madmartigan]

believe it or not, but the u is a fairly conservative school, as far as national standards go. but i don't want to argue that.

i must admit i wondered the same thing aaron. five scholarships, that's not too much money, maybe $50 grand (four year full tuition). considering the fact that the football team made at least $5 MILLION when they won the fiesta bowl, that is a small percentage (about 1 percent, to be precise). will five scholarships (or one percent), one way or the other, really make a difference in the athletic department's fiscal policy?

i agree. thats a good question. its not a lot of money. is the football program so greedy they cant part with a mere one percent of their five million to allow a handfull of runners to continue their runnning.

did the DA even consider other options?

the U has turned its back on collegiate running. even if they do reconsider and end up keeping mens running, who would run for a school who cares so little for their runners?

About the hippies: i agree. nationwide, the U isnt that far left. but compared to most utah schools, especially USU and BYU, its way out there.

[EgreenRun1443]

Is that how you treat all of your friends...by telling them they are slow? I think you have an inferiority complex, and you think that everyone will think you are cool if you brag about what you can do. I think all it's done is made you look like a c ocky idiot. You give a bad name to our sport, and i don't wanna talk to you anymore. If you were a real athlete you wouldn't go around boasting of accomplishments, you would encourage others and most importantly respect the other athletes of our sport, competitiveness belongs on the Track. Maybe if you used all of the energy you use bragging for training, you could be even faster. You remind me of a football kid...(and that is one of the lowest insults i could ever give a runner.) I hope you aren't really as big of an idiot as I think you are, i should try to look for the good in people i guess. So prove me wrong, and shut up unless you have something good too say, that might actually be beneficial to anyone.


Dude Brandon is freakin awesome quit being such a jerk dude. Have you ever heard of the word SARCASM?? he was just kidding when he said his friend was slow. Dude he said his time and place for junior olympics because you said he sucked at running so he was just telling you a reason for why he thinks he is actually pretty good. I have run against him and with him many times and i have complete respect for him. he never has been a jerk and is a cool kid to run with. And your kind of reminding me of a football kid by trying to act like he doesnt know anything about running.

[runshorty05]

And your kind of reminding me of a football kid by trying to act like he doesnt know anything about running.

:D

[Bandit]

Dude Brandon is freakin awesome quit being such a jerk dude. Have you ever heard of the word SARCASM?? he was just kidding when he said his friend was slow. Dude he said his time and place for junior olympics because you said he sucked at running so he was just telling you a reason for why he thinks he is actually pretty good. I have run against him and with him many times and i have complete respect for him. he never has been a jerk and is a cool kid to run with. And your kind of reminding me of a football kid by trying to act like he doesnt know anything about running.
you say sarcasm, i say he was being a dick. If i have misjuged him, it's his own fault, because the only impression i have gotten of him, is him saying crap about me and my friends.....sarcastic or not. I just call em like i see em. And how does that remind you of a football kid? That doesn't even make sense. I don't take crap from anyone, and i will always stick up for my friends, so shut up and don't tell me what to do.

[EgreenRun1443]

you say sarcasm, i say he was being a dick. If i have misjuged him, it's his own fault, because the only impression i have gotten of him, is him saying crap about me and my friends.....sarcastic or not. I just call em like i see em. And how does that remind you of a football kid? That doesn't even make sense. I don't take crap from anyone, and i will always stick up for my friends, so shut up and don't tell me what to do.


Dude you are acting like a football guy because you are calling him a dick for being sarcastic. Oh and acting like a football guy because your judging someone you havent met. Brandon sticks up for his friends too. The reason he makes fun of you is because your being such a prick about everything he says. So why dont you shut up and dont tell me what to do ya douche.

[propain]

Oh and acting like a football guy because your judging someone you havent met.

maybe you should just stop with the whole football thing. you're not making a whole lot of sense.

[Atychiphobian]

you say sarcasm, i say he was being a dick. If i have misjuged him, it's his own fault, because the only impression i have gotten of him, is him saying crap about me and my friends.....sarcastic or not. I just call em like i see em. And how does that remind you of a football kid? That doesn't even make sense. I don't take crap from anyone, and i will always stick up for my friends, so shut up and don't tell me what to do.

that's what you thought of us before you met us.....

[Bandit]

that's what you thought of us before you met us.....
not really, i didn't think you guys were jerks who said crap about my friends and were really stupid. I just thought you all took steroids and recruited. :)

heidi, this is different, if he wants me to not be jerk to him he and his friends should stop saying stupid crap.

[Bandit]

Dude you are acting like a football guy because you are calling him a dick for being sarcastic. Oh and acting like a football guy because your judging someone you havent met. Brandon sticks up for his friends too. The reason he makes fun of you is because your being such a prick about everything he says. So why dont you shut up and dont tell me what to do ya douche.
blah blah blah, shut up. i don't even know what you just said, just stop talking.

[EgreenRun1443]

blah blah blah, shut up. i don't even know what you just said, just stop talking.


ok its called reading top to bottom left to right. put words together to form a sentence. take advil for headaches midol for any cramps.

[dartman]

who's egreenrun1443? i was just wondering because she's really annoying and won't shut up.

[EgreenRun1443]

Well if you want to know the truth im a he. And i am one of the top runners in 4A in the state of washington. The only reason i am not "shutting UP" even though i have posted 3-4 times on this board is cuz bandit or w/e his name is was talking smack about my friend and i backed my friend up and then he got pissed at me for backing my friend up which he said is what you are supposed to do.

[propain]

ok its called reading top to bottom left to right. put words together to form a sentence. take advil for headaches midol for any cramps.

ha ha.... is that from something?

[dartman]

And i am one of the top runners in 4A in the state of washington.
can i have your autograph? i understand you might not have time for fans like me but i would really appreciate it.

[Bandit]

ha ha.... is that from something?
tommy boy, maybe it would have been funny if it actually went along with anything that had to do with this.

[Bandit]

Well if you want to know the truth im a he. And i am one of the top runners in 4A in the state of washington. The only reason i am not "shutting UP" even though i have posted 3-4 times on this board is cuz bandit or w/e his name is was talking smack about my friend and i backed my friend up and then he got pissed at me for backing my friend up which he said is what you are supposed to do.
well all i have gotten out of this experience is the fact that all the runners from washington that i have met so far are c ocky idiots. if you are going to listen to what i said to do, go with the part about shutting up, i think it will work better for all of us.

[Lurpyrunner]

I liked racing the Utah team, Colby Frazier was pretty funny. Well, you all have a lovely day.

[seasiderxc]

well all i have gotten out of this experience is the fact that all the runners from washington that i have met so far are c ocky idiots. if you are going to listen to what i said to do, go with the part about shutting up, i think it will work better for all of us.
you dont get out much do you? but then again, your mom hides you in the closet. e-green runner can talk all he wants 'cause unlike you, he's not a noname that cant back anything up.

[Lurpyrunner]

What part of washington are you from (make it really general, I don't know it that well)

[seasiderxc]

What part of washington are you from (make it really general, I don't know it that well)
south-west

[Lurpyrunner]

south-west
Close to the coast? I went on vacation there last year, there were some great trails!

[seasiderxc]

Close to the coast? I went on vacation there last year, there were some great trails!
about an hour and a half away.

[dartman]

e-green runner can talk all he wants 'cause unlike you, he's not a noname that cant back anything up.
i think i already asked this, but is there anyway to get a hold of this kid to get an autograph? or maybe he could teach me how to be cool or something.

[seasiderxc]

i think i already asked this, but is there anyway to get a hold of this kid to get an autograph? or maybe he could teach me how to be cool or something.
yeah there is, i suppose that it would be worth your time. send him a PM, or come up and visit 'cause im sure that he would love to give it to you after you went on a run with him.

[EgreenRun1443]

tommy boy, maybe it would have been funny if it actually went along with anything that had to do with this.

Actually it did make sense. See you said you didnt understand what i was saying and i was teaching you how to read. congrats you passed first grade.

[EgreenRun1443]

can i have your autograph? i understand you might not have time for fans like me but i would really appreciate it.

you guys were saying how i am probaly just some no name runner so i was telling you that i am one of the top guys in washington. So if you like to be a smart ass about it then dont go talking smack about us. I never said you guys werent good runners. You might be better then me for all I know. But all i was saying is that i can keep up with some of the top guys in the nation on a good day. If you want real proof of that go check out the results from the 2004 Stanford XC invite. I was 11th place in the seeded race. 13th or 14th overall on the day. So if you were ahead of me then congrats on a good race. But dont say how im not a good runner when i can compete.

[dartman]

you're so full of yourself, it's funny. no one ever said you weren't a good runner - you made that all up in your little head so that you could tell us about how good you were. seriously - that's great that you're fast (and no, i'm sure we're not faster than you), but that doesn't have anything to do with you not being an idiot

[EgreenRun1443]

dude i coulda sworn bandit said i was a nobody. maybe i was wrong. ok i dont mean to come across as cocky but i get pretty pissed off when people talk trash about me when they have never seen me run or run against me. as far as being an idiot i just want to know why you think i am an idiot. If you can give me a good reason then yes i will shut up. or at least i will be willing to talk you know "real running" with you guys. I really have no disrespect towards you guys or your running. I just want to know why you have such a problem with me.

[madmartigan]

im fast.

i type 40 wpm. 40 wpm WIYHOUT errors. yeah. im not cocky, just confident.

i typed this whole reply in about 8 seconds

[madmartigan]

this whole freakin thread is over. i win. everyone needs to shut up. Utah and WA. nobody is making sense, except heidi who had a good point. go argue on the washington board. and all the good threads, the stupid ones i make, are being bumped down. ive only got one thing to say to you washington people-
















you guys ever climb rainier? thats one sweet mountain. if i lived in WA, i would 10 times a summer. and washington cherries... oh man.

[EgreenRun1443]

i havent been climbing on it but yea it is a really nice moutain. The camp our team goes to in the summer has great views of it.

[Bandit]

dude i coulda sworn bandit said i was a nobody. maybe i was wrong. ok i dont mean to come across as cocky but i get pretty pissed off when people talk trash about me when they have never seen me run or run against me. as far as being an idiot i just want to know why you think i am an idiot. If you can give me a good reason then yes i will shut up. or at least i will be willing to talk you know "real running" with you guys. I really have no disrespect towards you guys or your running. I just want to know why you have such a problem with me.
i never said you weren't fast, i said you were c ocky, because you are. the problem with you and your buddy is that you are trying to demand respect from people who have no respect for you. You may be a very talented runner, good for you. But that doesn't mean that you don't need to shut up.

[EgreenRun1443]

ok fair enough. but how bout i post but on stuff that deals with running? and not in such a cocky way. i have no disrespect for anyone on this board. nor did i mean to come across as cocky sorry if i did.

[madmartigan]

my cousin burned me a copy of green day idiot and before i got it i thought the album sucked because they turned political and crap but then i kind of like them. now i have the cd and i realized it really does suck.

[EgreenRun1443]

i kinda like it. its different from the rest of green day but i still think its pretty good.

[homegrown]

The only reason i am not "shutting UP" even though i have posted 3-4 times on this board is cuz bandit or w/e his name is was talking smack about my friend and i backed my friend up and then he got pissed at me for backing my friend up which he said is what you are supposed to do.
run on sentence

[Bandit]

ok fair enough. but how bout i post but on stuff that deals with running? and not in such a cocky way. i have no disrespect for anyone on this board. nor did i mean to come across as cocky sorry if i did.
sounds good, i appreciate the apology. you are probably a cool kid, we just all needsta calm down. This is me officially bringing out the peace pipe.......let's light up. :)

[dartman]

cute, everyone is making up

[homegrown]

cute, everyone is making out
gross

[Bandit]

i like make-up.
ok.

[avidskiier]

WOW! I, being really bored and not having been on dye stat for a while just read this entire thread. I haven't seen such a argumentative and heated thread since the Davis/Mountain View arguments (but maybe I just missed the others). By the way, I looked at the Stanford invite results and just wanted to tell EgreenRun1443 great job. That race looked like it had some stiff competition and that is an impressive time/place! By the way, where are you planning on running in college?

[EgreenRun1443]

yea im going to Eastern Washington University next year. I will run xc and track. I dont know exactly what events on track i will run yet. im thinking the 3000 steeple, 5k, or 10k. I guess i will see when i get there.