NTN California 2007 Which teams will make it?

[socalrunner10]

So I was just ready the other post ntn northeast post and it was interesting.So which teams do you think have the right stuff to make it to the NTNs next year.

[honkforcookies]

Trabuco Hills... then wide open?

[socalrunner10]

Trabuco Hills... then wide open?

Yup Trabuco Hills For Sure, but that wat this thread is about, trying to find out who will get the other bid. Ok lets start with how many teams are going to a nice returning team that will go for the contention of getting that bid.

[honkforcookies]

some teams that return a decent #:
Trabuco: 2,3,5,6,7
Upland: 3,4,6,7
Madera: 2,4,5,7?
Arcadia: 1,5,6,7
Ventura: 1,2,3,5,6
Valencia: 2,3,4,5,6,7!!!
Dana Hills: 2,3,5,6,7
St. John Bosco: 3,5,6,7
Rancho Buena Vista: 1,3,4,6
Fallbrook: 1,2,5,6,7
Buchanan: 1,2,3,4,5,6
Carlmont: 1,4,5,7
Petaluma: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7

[Ash Catch'em]

jesuit

[SUB_9_FTW]

woodcreek 1,2,3,4,5,7

Edit: no bias here :D

[watchout]

I took a look at this a while ago, but I forget what the exact outlook was...

if I remember right, Valencia and Ventura were very solid, both top-4 or top-5. And Trabuco Hills was top-2.

EDIT: I found the file.

This was how I was seeing them line up:
1. Ventura
2. Trabuco Hills
3. Valencia
4/5. Petaluma
4/5. Dana Hills
6/7/8. Buchanan
6/7/8. Arcadia
6/7/8. Barstow
9/10. Upland
9/10. Foothill

also was looking at Oak Park, but they were farther behind those 10.

[crosscountryrunner]

some teams that return a decent #:
Arcadia: 1,5,6,7


pilavjian is gone.

no i can't spell it right..

[honkforcookies]

pilavjian is gone.

no i can't spell it right..

check who the #1 runner at CIF Finals and State for Arcadia was ;)

and you spelled it right by the way :)

[varsitycardinal08]

jesuit

Who do they have left besides Kyle and Gio?

[honkforcookies]

Who do they have left besides Kyle and Gio?

a bunch of really good frosh/soph kids?

[cooliofoolio]

Who do they have left besides Kyle and Gio?

They always find a way to be good. I won't be surprised if they get yet another bid.

[sirbrandon101]

Buchanan's boys are going to be really solid for '07 and '08. Didn't they take 12th in D1 at state with the top 5 all being sophomores?

[socalrunner10]

Buchanan's boys are going to be really solid for '07 and '08. Didn't they take 12th in D1 at state with the top 5 all being sophomores?

Isn't another team that's really young that will be good dana hills? i thought i read somewhere in the threads of 5 of their sophmores running under 16 in one race? :eek:

[varsitycardinal08]

They always find a way to be good. I won't be surprised if they get yet another bid.

Yeah, but Nathan Frazier is probably their best bet as a varsity replacement, but he hasn't been good since his freshman year. Kyle Lackner, however, has made a tremendous leap from last year.

[cory]

do you still get post points for posting on here

[Hyprboy123]

Buchanan's boys are going to be really solid for '07 and '08. Didn't they take 12th in D1 at state with the top 5 all being sophomores?

petaluma has all it's top seven returning. and we got 5th in state is D2. where will we be?

[cory]

Just beat Jesuit- they keep going

[varsitycardinal08]

Just beat Jesuit- they keep going

They will, Jesuit will be losing 5 of their top 7.

[+Reps4Every1]

They will, Jesuit will be losing 5 of their top 7.

yeah
but they will still find some kids
and make them fast
they have probably been training and working out since x country ended
i wouldn't be suprised if they get some good kids from transfers, and
if they win state

[1fatrunner]

yeah
but they will still find some kids
and make them fast
they have probably been training and working out since x country ended
i wouldn't be suprised if they get some good kids from transfers, and
if they win state

lol

[peace_feet]

cdm is losing like 3 but they have a deep teAM

then saugus is losing shannon and eturn the rest i think

royal is done this year

[watchout]

petaluma has all it's top seven returning. and we got 5th in state is D2. where will we be?

possibly co-favorites for D2 State title and in very good position for further recognition.

[mu5hr00mt1p]

what about oak ridge in the 07 baby

[griep08]

possibly co-favorites for D2 State title and in very good position for further recognition.

we're actually dropping down to D3.

[ap-xc]

I took a look at this a while ago, but I forget what the exact outlook was...

if I remember right, Valencia and Ventura were very solid, both top-4 or top-5. And Trabuco Hills was top-2.

EDIT: I found the file.

This was how I was seeing them line up:
1. Ventura
2. Trabuco Hills
3. Valencia
4/5. Petaluma
4/5. Dana Hills
6/7/8. Buchanan
6/7/8. Arcadia
6/7/8. Barstow
9/10. Upland
9/10. Foothill

also was looking at Oak Park, but they were farther behind those 10.

no madera?

[Hyprboy123]

we're actually dropping down to D3.

which i thought i said.

[varsitycardinal08]

Now I hear Jesuit coaches have been "recruiting" Kenyans? WTF is that?!

This better not be true.

[cory]

has that been confirmed yet

[SUB_9_FTW]

no

[Ash Catch'em]

Now I hear Jesuit coaches have been "recruiting" Kenyans? WTF is that?!

This better not be true.

they don't "recruit" anyone

[griep08]

they don't "recruit" anyone outside of the Sacramento area

fixed

[crosscountryrunner]

SOUTHERN SECTION!!! someone will come out of nowhere..just wait. i think its gonna be wide open next year, even with trabuco.

[+Reps4Every1]

jesuit
agreed

[honkforcookies]

SOUTHERN SECTION!!! someone will come out of nowhere..just wait. i think its gonna be wide open next year, even with trabuco.

If healthy, Crescenta Valley could have a team that may make some noise. And although not "out of nowhere" Valencia does return a healthy chunk of its runners

[honkforcookies]

crescenta valley? whats their status? i've only heard of torres, not much of their team.

They return everyone on their team from this year I think. If healthy, they could have 2 more guys right around Torres. They also had some strong development from 2 other runners this year while missing one of their top 5.

One of the reasons the Pacific League keeps getting stronger is because of programs like Crescenta Valley and Arcadia who keep raising the bar and challenging each other. Next year should be no different.

[AG_TO_RNR]

They return everyone on their team from this year I think. If healthy, they could have 2 more guys right around Torres. They also had some strong development from 2 other runners this year while missing one of their top 5.

track season will also give some people on their team an opportunity to improve

[herunsfast]

they don't "recruit" any space aliens or lazer eyed sharks

fixed

[mu5hr00mt1p]

jesuit ftw

[mu5hr00mt1p]

jesuit *with the kenyans* ftw

my bad
fixed

[hsOCrunner]

I'm rooting for the OC teams. I really think that they are going to represent the OC really well. Trabuco will be a tough cookie to beat but i think other teams might have a good chance to defeat them. here's how i look at how teams are going to end.

1/2 Trabuco Hills
1/2 Dana Hills
3. Buchanan
4/5 Valencia
4/5 Arcadia
6/7Madera
6/7 Upland
8.Venture
9.Barstow
10. Foothill

[griep08]

I'm rooting for the OC teams. I really think that they are going to represent the OC really well. Trabuco will be a tough cookie to beat but i think other teams might have a good chance to defeat them. here's how i look at how teams are going to end.

1/2 Trabuco Hills
1/2 Dana Hills
3. Buchanan
4/5 Valencia
4/5 Arcadia
6/7Madera
6/7 Upland
8.Venture
9.Barstow
10. Foothill

you think the top 10 are all gonna be ss?

[hsOCrunner]

you think the top 10 are all gonna be ss?

No im just doing southern section, because don't know of other teams in other sections. So i don't want to make assumptions on other section teams because i really don't know.

[crosscountryrunner]

go ss...

[mu5hr00mt1p]

trabucos gonna kill it

[TastesLikePennies]

go ss...

go NCS

[SUB_9_FTW]

Go SJS

[Hyprboy123]

go NCS

w00t repustent!!!

[mu5hr00mt1p]

go casa

[nike_run21]

you think the top 10 are all gonna be ss?

buchanan isn't ss

[griep08]

go casa

wtf? casa grande?

[attack the hill]

carlmont looks like the team to beat from the CCS, but i doubt they'll be a factor for NTN unless they REALLY step it up.

[AG_TO_RNR]

ventura should be good

[griep08]

could someone post ventura returning times vs. petaluma returning times?

[SUB_9_FTW]

do it yourself since Pealuma is your own team

[theappleseedcast]

trabucos gonna kill it

QFE

[Mark Twain259]

do any of you think trabuco could set a new state record for cross country?

[redsox]

do any of you think trabuco could set a new state record for cross country?

yes

[watchout]

do any of you think trabuco could set a new state record for cross country?

That's what was thought of Royal for last year.

Anything can happen between now and then. But yes, I think that if things go right they are capable, but with the caliber of competition they will be facing I don't think it's likely.

[xdderrty04x]

Anything can happen between now and then. But yes, I think that if things go right they are capable, but with the caliber of competition they will be facing I don't think it's likely.

why not???

increased competition just means they'll really have to bring it to the line which means more incentive to run fast

[watchout]

why not???

increased competition just means they'll really have to bring it to the line which means more incentive to run fast

because every competitor is more possible points.

points aren't determined just by the caliber of team, but the caliber of the field. California is deep, so it's hard to score low, even with exceptional teams.

[xdderrty04x]

my bad

i assumed we were talking team time records because as you pointed out, scoring records are typically reflective of the quality of the field and not necessarily the strength of any one team

[watchout]

my bad

i assumed we were talking team time records because as you pointed out, scoring records are typically reflective of the quality of the field and not necessarily the strength of any one team

Good point, I just assumed they were talking about points scored... time-wise, they might...

[Hyprboy123]

BTW petaluma isn't moving down to D3 we're staying in d2 but i think most already know this (that would care)

[Coach Ibarra]

BTW petaluma isn't moving down to D3 we're staying in d2 but i think most already know this (that would care)

you're going to miss all the fun in DIII :(

[Hyprboy123]

you're going to miss all the fun in DIII :(

aww see your mistaken, the fun in D3 won't even happen now. :D the fun is staying in D2. lol.

[Coach Ibarra]

aww see your mistaken, the fun in D3 won't even happen now. :D the fun is staying in D2. lol.

getting beat by Jesuit is no fun ;), we've been down that road... Although, the ONE year we beat them was kind of cool :)

[honkforcookies]

getting beat by Jesuit is no fun ;), we've been down that road... Although, the ONE year we beat them was kind of cool :)

Someone said Jesuit is moving up to d1 :confused: is that true?

[mu5hr00mt1p]

Someone said Jesuit is moving up to d1 :confused: is that true?

tr00f

[Hyprboy123]

well there we go. we don't have to deal with them

[watchout]

well there we go. we don't have to deal with them

that doesn't help your case for an NTN bid...

now if you want to go to NTN, you (most likely) not only have to beat someone in-season to look credible, but DOMINATE the D-2 championships. Because a Win and runner-up in D-1 very well might look better than a win in D-2 if you don't do it by much.

Now your team time will have to kill. Because you can't bank on a team like Jesuit looking good coming into the D-2 championships and an upset wouldn't go very far.

[Hyprboy123]

yes well, would a win in D3 look any better?

[watchout]

yes well, would a win in D3 look any better?

depends on the year, I would assume. Neither D2 or D3 are the big schools, they are the 'medium' schools... if it's anything like Washington, there are probably some good D3 teams that might be as good or maybe even better than the D2 teams from time to time.

[griep08]

that doesn't help your case for an NTN bid...

now if you want to go to NTN, you (most likely) not only have to beat someone in-season to look credible, but DOMINATE the D-2 championships. Because a Win and runner-up in D-1 very well might look better than a win in D-2 if you don't do it by much.

Now your team time will have to kill. Because you can't bank on a team like Jesuit looking good coming into the D-2 championships and an upset wouldn't go very far.

So we should run in the seeded race at Stanford if we want to get a fair shot at NTN?

[honkforcookies]

Now your team time will have to kill. Because you can't bank on a team like Jesuit looking good coming into the D-2 championships and an upset wouldn't go very far.


Ventura is D2

[honkforcookies]

So we should run in the seeded race at Stanford if we want to get a fair shot at NTN?

Come down to Mt. Sac ;)
Clovis is fun too

[griep08]

Come down to Mt. Sac ;)
Clovis is fun too

We're not running at anything outside of the Bay Area.

[watchout]

So we should run in the seeded race at Stanford if we want to get a fair shot at NTN?

No... I'm saying that you'll have to win more impressively now than you would have had to if Jesuit was in your division.

Ventura might be the only other team to compete with? And while they won't be easy to beat in any way, the win may or may not carry the weight that knocking off both Jesuit and Ventura would have given you.

The more competition you face in your race, the better you'll look. And since CA can't have a regional, it's still going to be based on who LOOKS like they ran the best. Not running against the best hurts. Not running against several of the best hurts even more, and running against one or maybe two really good teams won't look as good as running against 5-12 really good teams.

Everything is still decided by state, so by all means focus on state as much as possible. The loss of Jesuit in your competition just isn't a good thing.

[Greg Beal]

Clearly, running in big meets and against top competition during the season should affect NTN rankings of California schools that run in different divisions at state.

The problem is the system as it has existed seems rather subjective, and it's not clear what choices a coach should make if the goal is to reach NTN.

Since I know the girls side, let me use 2006 as an example.

Saugus ran against and beat everyone in 2006 (though they never faced CdM). Torrey Pines and Buchanan ran all over the state and lost only to each other and to CdM and Saugus (with the exception of one race in which Lauren Saylor didn't run and maybe a split squad race).

CdM had a great team, but they only ran against other top teams at Stanford, skipping Woodbridge, running D3 at Mt Sac and then D3 at state.

Carondelet was also good, but they only ran against Saugus at Danner, didn't run Woodbridge, Stanford or Mt Sac, and ran D2 at state.

Given this, what's a coach to do? Run everywhere and hope you win every time (Saugus over Torrey Pines and Buchanan). Be selective and mostly avoid the possibility of being defeated if your team has an off day (CdM). Be selective and run in a Nike-sponsored meet (Carondelet).

[griep08]

Given this, what's a coach to do? Run everywhere and hope you win every time (Saugus over Torrey Pines and Buchanan). Be selective and mostly avoid the possibility of being defeated if your team has an off day (CdM). Be selective and run in a Nike-sponsored meet (Carondelet).

All depends on the goals for the team. Teams looking just to pull off a good performance at state will most likely not race as heavily as those looking for an NTN berth.

[XC5000M]

some teams that return a decent #:
Trabuco: 2,3,5,6,7
Upland: 3,4,6,7
Madera: 2,4,5,7?
Arcadia: 1,5,6,7
Ventura: 1,2,3,5,6
Valencia: 2,3,4,5,6,7!!!
Dana Hills: 2,3,5,6,7
St. John Bosco: 3,5,6,7
Rancho Buena Vista: 1,3,4,6
Fallbrook: 1,2,5,6,7
Buchanan: 1,2,3,4,5,6
Carlmont: 1,4,5,7
Petaluma: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7


Trabuco Hills will have the best 1-2 punch out of all these teams. If they can get a close gap between the 3-4-5 cluster then I think they'll become back to back champions!*cough*cough* Royal

Dana Hills and Valencia are going to have depth like crazy but hardly any frontrunners.

[justdidit]

Dana Hills and Valencia are going to have depth like crazy but hardly any frontrunners.

mmm i agree but disagree with that...i think both of those schools have guys that have the potential to have pretty impressive seasons next year...you should look more into that. You're right as they don't have the frontrunners with the same firepower as Trabuco, but I think that Valencia and Dana have guys that are strong enough that, with enough depth (which looks very promising), they will do the job needed.

wow...the returning numbers on teams definitely looks interesting...especially for the fact that I know a lot of those teams have amazing depth after varsity as well...

One more thing, Honkforcookies you forgot one team:
El Toro: 7 ;)

[watchout]

mmm i agree but disagree with that...i think both of those schools have guys that have the potential to have pretty impressive seasons next year...you should look more into that. You're right as they don't have the frontrunners with the same firepower as Trabuco, but I think that Valencia and Dana have guys that are strong enough that, with enough depth (which looks very promising), they will do the job needed.

wow...the returning numbers on teams definitely looks interesting...especially for the fact that I know a lot of those teams have amazing depth after varsity as well...

One more thing, Honkforcookies you forgot one team:
El Toro: 7 ;)

QFE.

Dana Hills will be perfectly fine 1-3 compared to other teams, their #4/5 will just put them into a position to challenge for titles.

Valencia has a solid #1, #2 and 3 aren't up to nationally elite standards but are definitely good enough to hold their own. #4/5 makes them a very tough team to beat as well.

None of the 10 teams I've looked at significantly from CA lack frontrunning potential. None.



EDIT: Added in the rest of the teams I have info on and scored it out.


Trabuco Hills 1 2 23 24 67 117
Dana Hills 14 19 22 35 48 138
Ventura 9 11 18 33 90 161
Valencia 12 28 29 44 106 219
Buchanan 8 32 42 66 71 219
Petaluma 10 40 45 57 75 227
Oak Park 21 46 54 58 59 238
Madera 5 13 34 86 107 245
Crecenta Valley 20 30 41 81 85 257
Arcadia 6 38 52 56 107 259
Upland 15 31 55 62 107 270
Barstow 16 17 63 73 107 276
Jesuit 3 47 50 89 98 287
Woodcreek 4 27 88 93 94 306
Fallbrook 7 26 82 100 103 318
Foothill 37 43 65 72 107 324
Apple Valley 25 53 87 101 107 373
Aptos 51 64 68 91 107 381
Mira Costa 60 61 69 84 107 381
St John Bosco 36 78 95 105 107 421
De La Salle 70 83 92 96 107 448
McFarland 39 99 102 104 107 451



(106 runners, so 107 = teams that didn't have a full 5.. not knowing where they would end up)

The top 15, plus Apple Valley, all have #1's that should be very solid.

(in national terms on this list)

Potentially good #1's: Top-22
Potentially good #2's: Top-37
Potentially good #3's: Top-55
Potentially good #4's: Top-69
Potentially good #5's: Top-93

[Coach Ibarra]

QFE.

Dana Hills will be perfectly fine 1-3 compared to other teams, their #4/5 will just put them into a position to challenge for titles.

Valencia has a solid #1, #2 and 3 aren't up to nationally elite standards but are definitely good enough to hold their own. #4/5 makes them a very tough team to beat as well.

None of the 10 teams I've looked at significantly from CA lack frontrunning potential. None.



EDIT: Added in the rest of the teams I have info on and scored it out.


Trabuco Hills 1 2 23 24 67 117
Dana Hills 14 19 22 35 48 138
Ventura 9 11 18 33 90 161
Valencia 12 28 29 44 106 219
Buchanan 8 32 42 66 71 219
Petaluma 10 40 45 57 75 227
Oak Park 21 46 54 58 59 238
Madera 5 13 34 86 107 245
Crecenta Valley 20 30 41 81 85 257
Arcadia 6 38 52 56 107 259
Upland 15 31 55 62 107 270
Barstow 16 17 63 73 107 276
Jesuit 3 47 50 89 98 287
Woodcreek 4 27 88 93 94 306
Fallbrook 7 26 82 100 103 318
Foothill 37 43 65 72 107 324
Apple Valley 25 53 87 101 107 373
Aptos 51 64 68 91 107 381
Mira Costa 60 61 69 84 107 381
St John Bosco 36 78 95 105 107 421
De La Salle 70 83 92 96 107 448
McFarland 39 99 102 104 107 451



(106 runners, so 107 = teams that didn't have a full 5.. not knowing where they would end up)

The top 15, plus Apple Valley, all have #1's that should be very solid.

(in national terms on this list)

Potentially good #1's: Top-22
Potentially good #2's: Top-37
Potentially good #3's: Top-55
Potentially good #4's: Top-69
Potentially good #5's: Top-93

Nice list, but, I'll just say you're missing a few teams that can mix it up there, and, that's all I'll say ;) I'll let you do the homework LOLOLOL

[watchout]

Nice list, but, I'll just say you're missing a few teams that can mix it up there, and, that's all I'll say ;) I'll let you do the homework LOLOLOL

I only know what others let me know.

That's the point of that thread I made... so others can fill me in on what I don't know.

Think about it. I'm doing this for the whole nation, I can't sit around and spend 100+ hours a week trying to figure out who has done what in every state in the nation, especially when I don't get paid for it :p

[SUB_9_FTW]

QFE.

Dana Hills will be perfectly fine 1-3 compared to other teams, their #4/5 will just put them into a position to challenge for titles.

Valencia has a solid #1, #2 and 3 aren't up to nationally elite standards but are definitely good enough to hold their own. #4/5 makes them a very tough team to beat as well.

None of the 10 teams I've looked at significantly from CA lack frontrunning potential. None.



EDIT: Added in the rest of the teams I have info on and scored it out.


Trabuco Hills 1 2 23 24 67 117
Dana Hills 14 19 22 35 48 138
Ventura 9 11 18 33 90 161
Valencia 12 28 29 44 106 219
Buchanan 8 32 42 66 71 219
Petaluma 10 40 45 57 75 227
Oak Park 21 46 54 58 59 238
Madera 5 13 34 86 107 245
Crecenta Valley 20 30 41 81 85 257
Arcadia 6 38 52 56 107 259
Upland 15 31 55 62 107 270
Barstow 16 17 63 73 107 276
Jesuit 3 47 50 89 98 287
Woodcreek 4 27 88 93 94 306
Fallbrook 7 26 82 100 103 318
Foothill 37 43 65 72 107 324
Apple Valley 25 53 87 101 107 373
Aptos 51 64 68 91 107 381
Mira Costa 60 61 69 84 107 381
St John Bosco 36 78 95 105 107 421
De La Salle 70 83 92 96 107 448
McFarland 39 99 102 104 107 451



(106 runners, so 107 = teams that didn't have a full 5.. not knowing where they would end up)

The top 15, plus Apple Valley, all have #1's that should be very solid.

(in national terms on this list)

Potentially good #1's: Top-22
Potentially good #2's: Top-37
Potentially good #3's: Top-55
Potentially good #4's: Top-69
Potentially good #5's: Top-93

what are the numbers for each team based on?

[Ash Catch'em]

what are the numbers for each team based on?
times at state and track PRs scored like a xc race

[SUB_9_FTW]

times at state and track PRs scored like a xc race

thats why im so far back at 88 lol i was wondering why

[watchout]

times at state and track PRs scored like a xc race

also NTN Open and NTN Championship times... although that only helped in a couple cases

[folsomflash]

also NTN Open and NTN Championship times... although that only helped in a couple cases

like mine? number 3 baby yeah!!

[SUB_9_FTW]

like mine? number 3 baby yeah!!

oh yeah kyle im 88 so ha beat that lol
Bombing at State FTL

[watchout]

like mine? number 3 baby yeah!!

Yeah, pretty much!

[folsomflash]

oh yeah kyle im 88 so ha beat that lol
Bombing at State FTL

haha yeha that 25th at ntn right behind riley sulivan and alex routh helped me out a little bit

[SUB_9_FTW]

yeah just a bit kyle :rolleyes:

[Ash Catch'em]

haha yeha that 25th at ntn right behind riley sulivan and alex routh helped me out a little bit
helpd your team out a little bit more

[TalalVHS]

Trabuco Hills 1 2 23 24 67 117
Dana Hills 14 19 22 35 48 138
Ventura 9 11 18 33 90 161
Valencia 12 28 29 44 106 219


whos r the top 3 guys for dana? pretty good match up didnt know they were that close 14-19-22-35

[watchout]

Trabuco Hills 1 2 23 24 67 117
Dana Hills 14 19 22 35 48 138
Ventura 9 11 18 33 90 161
Valencia 12 28 29 44 106 219


whos r the top 3 guys for dana? pretty good match up didnt know they were that close 14-19-22-35

Tyler Valdes, Ryan Valdes, Tyler Alvarez, Zak Phillips

[TalalVHS]

so what are the chanses of a DII winner making it to NTN compare to a DI runner up.

[watchout]

so what are the chanses of a DII winner making it to NTN compare to a DI runner up.

I'm guessing it depends on how they both look that day... there are a couple DII teams that are just as good as the DI teams, it could be very interesting.

This is my guess:
-Buchanan takes second to Jesuit OR at Stanford, but beats Mead WA in the process. (possible at-large points)
-Trabuco Hills retains their title at Bob Firman, edging out Central Valley and the talented North Central WA team who doesn't have much big meet experience. (possible at-large points)
-Dana Hills wins Mt. SAC invite (probable at-large points)

And at state:
Trabuco Hills wins Division 1 again, and has good enough marks that they are the #1 AQ out of CA.
Ventura has an outstanding meet, looking impressive enough to take the 2nd CA auto qualifier.
Buchanan finishes 2nd, and Dana Hills 3rd in Div 1. However, in the merged scoring, their order is reversed. Dana Hills is considered the CA#3 team, and Buchanan the #4.

At large points:
1. Trabuco Hills earned one by beating North Central WA (who took 2nd at the NW region meet to Jesuit OR) at Bob Firman, but it doesn't matter because they got the AQ.
2. Ventura scored no at-large points, but it doesn't matter as they got the 2nd AQ.
3. Dana Hills got one for beating Trabuco Hills at Mt. SAC.
4. Buchanan beat Mead WA, who took 3rd at the NW Regional, but doesn't get an at-large point for it (I don't think they do if Mead gets an at-large? I'm not 100% sure on that though)

With at-large points in short supply, Dana Hills was one of the first teams to score an at-large invite. With there being 2 bids left, and no other teams with points, NW#3 and CA#4 teams (Mead WA and Buchanan CA) are invited to complete the field.






maybe. :) (the other at-large went to MW#3 Naperville North IL, who beats MW#2 York IL at their state meet)

[TalalVHS]

I'm guessing it depends on how they both look that day... there are a couple DII teams that are just as good as the DI teams, it could be very interesting.

This is my guess:
-Buchanan takes second to Jesuit OR at Stanford, but beats Mead WA in the process. (possible at-large points)
-Trabuco Hills retains their title at Bob Firman, edging out Central Valley and the talented North Central WA team who doesn't have much big meet experience. (possible at-large points)
-Dana Hills wins Mt. SAC invite (probable at-large points)

And at state:
Trabuco Hills wins Division 1 again, and has good enough marks that they are the #1 AQ out of CA.
Ventura has an outstanding meet, looking impressive enough to take the 2nd CA auto qualifier.
Buchanan finishes 2nd, and Dana Hills 3rd in Div 1. However, in the merged scoring, their order is reversed. Dana Hills is considered the CA#3 team, and Buchanan the #4.

At large points:
1. Trabuco Hills earned one by beating North Central WA (who took 2nd at the NW region meet to Jesuit OR) at Bob Firman, but it doesn't matter because they got the AQ.
2. Ventura scored no at-large points, but it doesn't matter as they got the 2nd AQ.
3. Dana Hills got one for beating Trabuco Hills at Mt. SAC.
4. Buchanan beat Mead WA, who took 3rd at the NW Regional, but doesn't get an at-large point for it (I don't think they do if Mead gets an at-large? I'm not 100% sure on that though)

With at-large points in short supply, Dana Hills was one of the first teams to score an at-large invite. With there being 2 bids left, and no other teams with points, NW#3 and CA#4 teams (Mead WA and Buchanan CA) are invited to complete the field.






maybe. :) (the other at-large went to MW#3 Naperville North IL, who beats MW#2 York IL at their state meet)



i kinda got it BUT most part im lost haha
well c what happens i guess when real races start
so basically to get in the NTN u have 2 run BIG RACES? and beat good teams? what if u dotn run many big meets and still are a good team?

[watchout]

i kinda got it BUT most part im lost haha
well c what happens i guess when real races start
so basically to get in the NTN u have 2 run BIG RACES? and beat good teams? what if u dotn run many big meets and still are a good team?

Then if you finish #1 or #2 in the state overall (for CA), you get invited. If you finished 3rd, and the team that got 4th had a couple wins against teams invited to NTN, then you may or may not get in. But that's a long shot at best... basically, if you don't race anyone, you either finish first or second or you're done for the season.

[TalalVHS]

Then if you finish #1 or #2 in the state overall (for CA), you get invited. If you finished 3rd, and the team that got 4th had a couple wins against teams invited to NTN, then you may or may not get in. But that's a long shot at best... basically, if you don't race anyone, you either finish first or second or you're done for the season.

nice i get that so how many total teams can go from CA? state meet?

[watchout]

nice i get that so how many total teams can go from CA? state meet?

2 will go for sure, and up to 2 more are eligible

[TalalVHS]

2 will go for sure, and up to 2 more are eligible

k so after the 2 forsure. The other 2 spots are just for CA? who has to fight for the 2 spots.

[hsOCrunner]

k so after the 2 forsure. The other 2 spots are just for CA? who has to fight for the 2 spots.

California will get 2 automatic berths to NTN right off the bat. Afterwards, 4 at large berths will be handed out to any other team in the U.S. if they have accumulated enough points after head on wins with other teams that are going to NTNs. But, no one region can have more than 2 at large berths. SO in total, California will have 2 automatic berths plus up to 2 more eligible at large berths if 2 more Cali teams have enough points. So, Cali has a possibility of having up to 4 teams in NTNs.

[TalalVHS]

California will get 2 automatic berths to NTN right off the bat. Afterwards, 4 at large berths will be handed out to any other team in the U.S. if they have accumulated enough points after head on wins with other teams that are going to NTNs. But, no one region can have more than 2 at large berths. SO in total, California will have 2 automatic berths plus up to 2 more eligible at large berths if 2 more Cali teams have enough points. So, Cali has a possibility of having up to 4 teams in NTNs.

haha nice i get that. so the points? how do they work? how will u get points

[watchout]

haha nice i get that. so the points? how do they work? how will u get points

You get a point for every auto qualifying team you beat after September 20th. I don't think you get points for beating other at-large teams that are "already in" before they get to you, but if it comes down to a tie breaker then it's important to have beaten, or have the best records, against those teams that are top-4 in all the regions.

[TalalVHS]

You get a point for every auto qualifying team you beat after September 20th. I don't think you get points for beating other at-large teams that are "already in" before they get to you, but if it comes down to a tie breaker then it's important to have beaten, or have the best records, against those teams that are top-4 in all the regions.

so the teams that run more races or more big races have the best chance
can u name some big meets that would have ppl like taht?
mt sac? occ?

[SUB_9_FTW]

Talal just have Valencia win D2 thats the easiest way to go.

[TalalVHS]

Talal just have Valencia win D2 thats the easiest way to go.

sounds good but i was just wondring

[watchout]

so the teams that run more races or more big races have the best chance
can u name some big meets that would have ppl like taht?
mt sac? occ?

If you want to travel, Bob Firman (Sep. 22) has 2 of NW's top-5 as well Trabuco Hills.

Stanford (Sep. 29) is a good one, 3 of NW's top-5 are going to be there.

Mt. SAC will have the best of CA, but I don't know about any other regions' top teams being there.

[XC714]

Talal just have Valencia win D2 thats the easiest way to go.

QFE. lol
easiest way to do it.....:rolleyes:

[TalalVHS]

If you want to travel, Bob Firman (Sep. 22) has 2 of NW's top-5 as well Trabuco Hills.

Stanford (Sep. 29) is a good one, 3 of NW's top-5 are going to be there.

Mt. SAC will have the best of CA, but I don't know about any other regions' top teams being there.

CAN I PLZ GET THE RESULTS FROM LAST YEAR FOR THOSE 2 RACES

[watchout]

CAN I PLZ GET THE RESULTS FROM LAST YEAR FOR THOSE 2 RACES

Bob Firman: http://bobfirmanxc.org/results/2006/EliteBoys2006.htm
Stanford: http://www.sml1.com/recordtiming/stanford/xc_invite06/
Mt. SAC: http://dyestatcal.com/results/xc2006/October/20%20Mt%20SAC/Index.htm#Results

[TalalVHS]

Bob Firman: http://bobfirmanxc.org/results/2006/EliteBoys2006.htm
Stanford: http://www.sml1.com/recordtiming/stanford/xc_invite06/
Mt. SAC: http://dyestatcal.com/results/xc2006/October/20%20Mt%20SAC/Index.htm#Results

thanks a lot haha shuold have looked it up my self but im lazzy :D :p

[watchout]

im lazzy :D :p

That's not a good thing if you want to get to NTN. ;)

[TalalVHS]

That's not a good thing if you want to get to NTN. ;)

haha NOT IN RUNNING NEVER!!! always ready 2 run just looking for stats kinda gets boring so i appreciate u doing the work :o ;) by the way when do the first rankings come in?

[watchout]

haha NOT IN RUNNING NEVER!!! always ready 2 run just looking for stats kinda gets boring so i appreciate u doing the work :o ;) by the way when do the first rankings come in?

probably in about 3-4 weeks

[griep08]

from the other thread:

Next up:

CALIFORNIA

Same process applies.


1. Dana Hills -- 184.9
189.4
188.9
185.2
183.7
182.6
181.8
177.3

2. Trabuco Hills -- 184.0
197.2
195.6
184.7
179.1
178.4
176.3
173.6

3. Buchanan -- 182.8
192.6
188.4
188.0
182.3
176.0
175.5

4. Ventura -- 182.5
192.0
188.8
185.8
183.1
175.7

5. Oak Park -- 181.7
187.5
184.6
182.0
180.2
180.2

6. Petaluma -- 181.0
191.3
183.4
182.1
180.7
177.9
176.4

7. Crescenta Valley -- 180.4
188.1
186.0
183.6
177.0
176.5

8. Valencia -- 179.8
189.6
187.8
183.6
182.1
170.7

9. Jesuit -- 179.3
192.1
182.8
181.9
177.1
175.6

10. Loyola -- 178.9
195.4
182.9
181.2
179.5
173.2
172.6


11. Woodcreek -- 177.8
191.4
190.7
175.1
173.2
173.0

12. Fallbrook -- 175.5
195.4
184.2
174.4
172.6
170.4

13. Lutheran -- 174.2
182.6
181.9
178.8
170.5
168.4
165.8

14. Saugus -- 173.5
182.8
181.0
172.4
172.3
169.6

15. College Park -- 169.9
178.9
177.2
170.7
169.3
164.6




It should be noted that there are a few great squads out there where I only have 4 runners included. Such teams will likely mix it up with these teams, and even beat some. Teams like those include Arcadia, Madara and Aptos off the top of my head, but there were more don't worry. All those listed before on this thread are probably in there.

[griep08]

National Top-108

North Central WA 189.7 NW
Danbury CT 189.2 NE
Neuqua Valley IL 186.8 MW
Jesuit OR 186.6 NW
Naperville North IL 186.2 MW
Albuquerque Academy NM 186.0 SW
Los Alamos NM 185.5 SW
Dana Hills CA 184.9 CA
Midlothian VA 184.7 SE
Brookline MA 184.2 NE
Trabuco Hills CA 184.0 CA
Wheat Ridge CO 184.0 SW
Southlake Carroll TX 184.0 SO
York IL 183.9 MW
Pinckney MI 183.4 MW
Warwick Valley NY 183.4 NY
Oakton VA 183.4 SE
Waubonsie Valley IL 183.2 MW
Germantown Friends PA 183.1 NE
The Woodlands TX 183.1 SO
Buchanan CA 182.8 CA
Crater OR 182.6 NW
Ventura CA 182.5 CA
Central Catholic OR 182.5 NW
Timpview UT 182.5 SW
Shenendehowa NY 182.3 NY
Geneva IL 182.1 MW
Pleasant Valley IA 182.0 HL
Mingus AZ 181.9 SW
Central Valley WA 181.8 NW
Hersey IL 181.8 MW
Oak Park CA 181.7 CA
Fishers IN 181.5 MW
South Eugene OR 181.5 NW
Wheaton North IL 181.5 MW
Christian Brothers NJ 181.5 NE
Saline MI 181.3 MW
Petaluma CA 181.0 CA
Quince Orchard MD 181.0 SE
Bismarck ND 180.9 HL
Madison LaFollette WI 180.8 MW
Crescenta Valley CA 180.4 CA
Thomas Jefferson VA 180.4 SE
Gig Harbor WA 180.2 NW
Smithtown NY 180.0 NY
Gallup NM 180.0 SW
Kodiak AK 179.9 NW
Valencia CA 179.8 CA
Mead WA 179.8 NW
Medina OH 179.5 MW
Walton GA 179.5 SE
Jesuit CA 179.3 CA
Chaminade NY 179.3 NY
Jamestown VA 179.3 SE
Rogers AR 179.3 SO
St. Charles North IL 179.2 MW
North Penn PA 179.2 NE
Hoover AL 179.2 SE
Loyola CA 178.9 CA
Rosemount MN 178.9 HL
McCutcheon IN 178.8 MW
Marist OR 178.6 NW
Millburn NJ 178.6 NE
Contookook Valley NH 178.5 NE
St. Louis University MO 178.5 HL
Lyons Township IL 178.3 MW
Whitman-Hansen MA 178.3 NE
Mountain View VA 178.3 SE
Mountain Crest UT 178.1 SW
Burlington-Edison WA 178.0 NW
Baylor TN 178.0 SE
Stevens Point WI 177.9 MW
Hoffman Estates IL 177.9 MW
Palatine IL 177.9 MW
Woodcreek CA 177.8 CA
Tahoma WA 177.7 NW
Lake Stevens WA 177.7 NW
Merrimack NH 177.6 NE
New Milford CT 177.6 NE
North Bend OR 177.5 NW
Wayzata MN 177.5 HL
Parkview GA 177.5 SE
Clackamas OR 177.3 NW
Oak Ridge TN 177.3 SE
Glastonbury CT 177.2 NE
West Valley (Spokane) WA 177.1 NW
Seattle Prep WA 177.0 NW
Fremont MI 177.0 MW
Jesuit LA 176.8 SO
Western Albemarle VA 176.8 SE
Orem UT 176.3 SW
Chapel Hill NC 176.2 SE
Iowa City West IA 176.1 HL
East Greenwich RI 176.0 NE
Schaumburg IL 175.9 MW
Queensbury NY 175.9 NY
Alta UT 175.8 SW
St. Henry KY 175.8 SE
Sycamore IL 175.6 MW
Ben Davis IN 175.5 MW
Fallbrook CA 175.5 CA
Shaker NY 175.4 NY
Yankton SD 175.3 HL
Brainerd MN 175.2 HL
Centerville OH 175.1 MW
Columbus North IN 175.1 MW
North Allegheny PA 175.1 NE
Mooresville NC 175.1 SE


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[mu5hr00mt1p]

Now I hear Jesuit coaches have been "recruiting" Kenyans? WTF is that?!

This better not be true.

hahaha lmao. i just read that. uhm for all of you who thought that back in the day, the jesuit kids created that rumor for fun to see if anyone would run with it since we have such a long history of "recruiting." just thought that was funny having not seen that for almost a year

[SUB_9_FTW]

hahaha lmao. i just read that. uhm for all of you who thought that back in the day, the jesuit kids created that rumor for fun to see if anyone would run with it since we have such a long history of "recruiting." just thought that was funny having not seen that for almost a year

looks like you should have recruited them. maybe you guys would have made it to state. had to do it that way it wouldnt be as bad as if someone that didnt <3 you did it

[mu5hr00mt1p]

looks like you should have recruited them. maybe you guys would have made it to state. had to do it that way it wouldnt be as bad as if someone that didnt <3 you did it

haha i was like wtf mate for a sec, then i noticed the tag. but yeah kenyans def would have helped this year.

[WildcatXC]

jesuit

lol.

They didn't even qualify for state... tagged

[ftfjames]

so glad that dana went.killed