Marine Corps Holiday Classic

[Slowkid]

Accepted teams on http://www.armoryfoundation.org/meets/Holiday-Classic/2006/teams.php

Anyone running? Anyone have any predictions timewise?

[g2g4gold]

I am going. Not sure what I am running maybe a SMR or DMR. Any1 know if there is 4xmile

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

shen is running a stacked DMR. should be pretty quick.

[Slowkid]

shen is running a stacked DMR. should be pretty quick.

How quick are we thinking? 10:20?

[phil4856]

byram 4x8 and DMR (still missing kasak)

[Mr Limpy]

im not going :(

[PineSol]

How quick are we thinking? 10:20?

Should be pretty damn quick. You gotta think that Murdock can run sub-4:20, based off a ridiculous Cross Season. Predmore and Suriano should be able to run sub 3:10 and sub 2:00. Thats 9:30 at worst without including a 400 leg, that you know is going to be around 50. So 10:20 seams very realistic. Should be sick.

[good_burger]

hope that my meet record doesn't fall...

[sprinter200]

DMR 4x8 dammit im a sprinter lol should be fun im looking foward to it. anyone else kno whos slacking a dmr for the championhip race

[backtoback]

DMR 4x8 dammit im a sprinter lol should be fun im looking foward to it. anyone else kno whos slacking a dmr for the championhip race

haha a sprinter? sprinters are good at leadng off 4x8's ;)

[Scotty]

Lionel Williams moves back to the 800m for the Marine Corp meet.

Any other notable guys expected to run that event?

[open]

Lionel Williams moves back to the 800m for the Marine Corp meet.

Any other notable guys expected to run that event?


The list of those accepted to the 800 are listed here:

http://www.armoryfoundation.org/meets/Holiday-Classic/2006/seeds.php

[Scotty]

Thanks.

[shentrack3]

Im probably running the 400 leg of the shen DMR. Im the #3 400 guy but i did just run a 37.3 300 last week at the armory, so i shouldnt be too bad. As far as how stacked it is, its up in the air on whether murdocks running or resting through this meet.


one of our other 400 guys overheard coach jones throwing out numbers such as 9:55. just a thought though. ;)

[gofast11]

Im probably running the 400 leg of the shen DMR. Im the #3 400 guy but i did just run a 37.3 300 last week at the armory, so i shouldnt be too bad. As far as how stacked it is, its up in the air on whether murdocks running or resting through this meet.


one of our other 400 guys overheard coach jones throwing out numbers such as 9:55. just a thought though. ;)

The 9:55 he is talking about has to be for sometime this year (winter and spring seasons combined). I am sure he is not talking about Wednesday

[Hector The Inspector]

Colts Neck will be at the meet it says. Anyone know if Forys is gonna run?

[shentrack3]

The 9:55 he is talking about has to be for sometime this year (winter and spring seasons combined). I am sure he is not talking about Wednesday

most likely. but more realistically he wants to be under 10:10.

[Darkman]

Me and a friend figured out that by winters end they will have set a new NR they seem very very good any one know what there best 400 guy they could do. Also notice pleasantville has 3 guys in the 800 says something about there 4x8 they ran like 7:58 last year i expect them to possibly be under 7:50 this winter which would be insane

[shentrack3]

shen has 3 guys that could be under 51.
the three of us ran a 300 at bishop laughlin last weekend.

#1 guy- 37.90 (running with sore hamstring, wasn't an all out effort)
#2 guy- 36.63
#3 (myself) - 37.34


37.5 300 can be in the range of around 50.0 for a 400

[backtoback]

Me and a friend figured out that by winters end they will have set a new NR they seem very very good any one know what there best 400 guy they could do. Also notice pleasantville has 3 guys in the 800 says something about there 4x8 they ran like 7:58 last year i expect them to possibly be under 7:50 this winter which would be insane
yes pleasantville looks very strong...they had a great 4x8 last year as well and battled with some of the top teams

[sprinter200]

shen has 3 guys that could be under 51.
the three of us ran a 300 at bishop laughlin last weekend.

#1 guy- 37.90 (running with sore hamstring, wasn't an all out effort)
#2 guy- 36.63
#3 (myself) - 37.34


37.5 300 can be in the range of around 50.0 for a 400

going out on a limb and from exprienece a 37.5 is probaly more a 51 compartivly but some ppl are better at 400m but hell id like to think it was 50

[runningforthegold]

shen has 3 guys that could be under 51.
the three of us ran a 300 at bishop laughlin last weekend.

#1 guy- 37.90 (running with sore hamstring, wasn't an all out effort)
#2 guy- 36.63
#3 (myself) - 37.34


37.5 300 can be in the range of around 50.0 for a 400

35.5 would put most people around a low 49 from a gun start, maybe 48.8-49.0 on a relay. I think 37.5 is more like a 51.0

[It can be done]

35.5 would put most people around a low 49 from a gun start, maybe 48.8-49.0 on a relay. I think 37.5 is more like a 51.0


It all depends on your conditioning. That last 100m's can be either a killer or a smooth finish to your total 400m time.

[Scotty]

going out on a limb and from exprienece a 37.5 is probaly more a 51 compartivly but some ppl are better at 400m but hell id like to think it was 50

Not at all.

A guy who runs 37.5 for 300m, is not close to 50.0 (using same effort). If you need to go 100 further, you must slow down going thru 300m.

Is a 3:00 1200m guy a 4:00 1600m guy? Obviously not.

If you cannot run 36.00, then you have little chance of running 50.00

[boon322]

Not at all.

A guy who runs 37.5 for 300m, is not close to 50.0 (using same effort). If you need to go 100 further, you must slow down going thru 300m.

Is a 3:00 1200m guy a 4:00 1600m guy? Obviously not.

If you cannot run 36.00, then you have little chance of running 50.00

big QFE on that... 37.5 =/= 50.0, not even close... id say 37.5 is alot more like a 51.high

[backtoback]

Not at all.

A guy who runs 37.5 for 300m, is not close to 50.0 (using same effort). If you need to go 100 further, you must slow down going thru 300m.

Is a 3:00 1200m guy a 4:00 1600m guy? Obviously not.

If you cannot run 36.00, then you have little chance of running 50.00

I agree on some but I have seen >36.0 guys go alot faster than 50.0...Maybe they just didn't race a good 300m who knows

[king99]

Scotty has this one right, how could anyone running 37.5 project 50.0?

Thats straight line and after 200 you are probabaly already slowing down.

Are you kidding, sorry.

[shentrack3]

idk, your all probably right but after my 37.3 i still felt like i had another 13 second 100 meters in me. which would be 50.3.

it all depends on how well you run your last 100. thats where ive always been able to make up alot of ground if i needed to. i made up a 10-12 meter deficit once in the last 100.

[Hector The Inspector]

Colts Neck will be at the meet it says. Anyone know if Forys is gonna run?
So yeah...........?

[Slowkid]

So who will challenge Shen in the DMR or presumably the 4x800?

Teams in the Championship DMR

Bladensburg "A"
Warwick Valley "A"
Seton Hall "A"
St. Benedicts "A"
St. Anthony's "A"
Shenendehowa "A"
Wootton "A"
Smithtown West "A"
Byram Hills "A"
Chaminade "A"
Ridgewood "A"
Curtis "A"
Lower Merion "A"
Archbishop Molloy "A"

[DJ Jasper]

So who will challenge Shen in the DMR or presumably the 4x800?

Teams in the Championship DMR

Bladensburg "A"
Warwick Valley "A"
Seton Hall "A"
St. Benedicts "A"
St. Anthony's "A"
Shenendehowa "A"
Wootton "A"
Smithtown West "A"
Byram Hills "A"
Chaminade "A"
Ridgewood "A"
Curtis "A"
Lower Merion "A"
Archbishop Molloy "A"

I'm sure Warwick will put together a good team, they usually do.

[g2g4gold]

im doing the SMR, hopefully we can run sub 3:40 at make nats

[Jeffreyw5000]

Amen to what everyone's been saying. I guess I'm an extreme example, but I'm a miler, and I ran a 37.3 300m last year, but I could never break 53 in the 400. I'd say you wanna be in the 35-36 range to run 50 flat.

[sprinter200]

shentrack just wondering how bad did the kid you made up 10-12m on in the last 100 die

[shentrack3]

he was an 800 runner, so he didnt really die that bad.

i was running 38.8 last year and split 51.9 outdoor.

[CGBatch]

My guys the first alternate for the 800m. Other than that we're doing DMR (guys and girls) and 4x800 (girls) and then some other relays that won't do well.

[Shen Rules]

So who will challenge Shen in the DMR



No one...
through 2000 anyway!

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

Craigs Forys was supposed to run for Colts Neck today but a minor injury has forced him to sit out. Steve Murdock delivered this news a little while ago, and boy did he sound relieved on the phone haha.

[king99]

I do not think Forys was ever running in this meet. Not on their schedule.

they are not listed in DMR and he would not be running an open race that anyone knows of yet.

[toetheline]

McDermott passes Murdock with 150m to go to win in 10:23, 4:18 for the anchor. Murdock ran around 4:22ish....

[toetheline]

1:52.29 for Williams for the easy win....

[Scotty]

1:52.29 for Williams for the easy win....

Definitely the class of that field. Lionel is obviously ready to go....1:52.29 on 12/27 says a great deal. I was expecting 1:53.00. This is very nice.

1:58.5 for Keith Stapleton (4th).

[RushyT]

What time is the girls 800 supposed to go off?

[run_nyc]

McDermott passes Murdock with 150m to go to win in 10:23, 4:18 for the anchor. Murdock ran around 4:22ish....

shen lost? wow

[runxc89]

McDermott outkicks Murdock, Chaminade over Shen
by Niko Viglione

Fans who wandered in a little late this morning could be forgiven if they thought for a moment that they had accidentally wandered into a baseball game at Yankee stadium. The noise level was simply that deafening during the boys varsity DMR which featured one of the best matchups of the day, a field boasting teams such as Chaminade, Byram Hills, Ridgewood, Shenendehowa, Warwick Valley, and many many more.

The sound system was blasting, and the crowd was in a frenzied state of excitement, voices screaming hoarsely and feet and fists pounding on the track. Shenendehowa, considered to be the pre-race favorite by many, attempted to live up to its billing, with the talented Zach Predmore towing the field through splits of 62 and 2:08 before surrendering the lead to Warwick Valley, who in turn was challenged and passed down the homestraight by Smithtown for the lead at 1200m, reached in just over 3:12.

From there, the 400m legs blasted out of the zones and quickly established a peloton flowing around the track, Ridgewood broke from the pack late in the leg to hand off just ahead of the slew of runners threatening to overcome them. Early in the 800m leg, Shen once again made their presence known, quickly battling their way to the front and holding an ever so perilous gap over both Chaminade and Ridgewood all the way through the leg.

The anchor leg was a race unto itself, featuring two NYS titans of distance running, Steve Murdock and Ryan McDermott. Known for his gutsy front running, Murdock played the part to a T, trying incessantly to shake the shadow that loomed just over his right shoulder. Yet successive laps of 64, 2:09 and 3:17 did nothing to alter the state of things, as the McDermott continued to stalk the front-running Murdock. On the final lap, Ryan made his move, swinging wide off the front curve, the yells and exultations of his family ringing from the nearby bleachers, McDermott shot by Shen’s champion with a savage burst of speed that even the gutsy Murdock was unable to match and carrying the baton home for Chaminade in a new meet record of 10:23.86.

[MaroonCat1600]

McDermott outkicks Murdock, Chaminade over Shen
by Niko Viglione

Fans who wandered in a little late this morning could be forgiven if they thought for a moment that they had accidentally wandered into a baseball game at Yankee stadium. The noise level was simply that deafening during the boys varsity DMR which featured one of the best matchups of the day, a field boasting teams such as Chaminade, Byram Hills, Ridgewood, Shenendehowa, Warwick Valley, and many many more.

The sound system was blasting, and the crowd was in a frenzied state of excitement, voices screaming hoarsely and feet and fists pounding on the track. Shenendehowa, considered to be the pre-race favorite by many, attempted to live up to its billing, with the talented Zach Predmore towing the field through splits of 62 and 2:08 before surrendering the lead to Warwick Valley, who in turn was challenged and passed down the homestraight by Smithtown for the lead at 1200m, reached in just over 3:12.

From there, the 400m legs blasted out of the zones and quickly established a peloton flowing around the track, Ridgewood broke from the pack late in the leg to hand off just ahead of the slew of runners threatening to overcome them. Early in the 800m leg, Shen once again made their presence known, quickly battling their way to the front and holding an ever so perilous gap over both Chaminade and Ridgewood all the way through the leg.

The anchor leg was a race unto itself, featuring two NYS titans of distance running, Steve Murdock and Ryan McDermott. Known for his gutsy front running, Murdock played the part to a T, trying incessantly to shake the shadow that loomed just over his right shoulder. Yet successive laps of 64, 2:09 and 3:17 did nothing to alter the state of things, as the McDermott continued to stalk the front-running Murdock. On the final lap, Ryan made his move, swinging wide off the front curve, the yells and exultations of his family ringing from the nearby bleachers, McDermott shot by Shen’s champion with a savage burst of speed that even the gutsy Murdock was unable to match and carrying the baton home for Chaminade in a new meet record of 10:23.86.


Hahaha the armory was completely quiet when chaminade did their victory lap,i felt bad for them

[king99]

A Little surpised that the very capable McDrmott was able to beat Murdock essentially even up.

Lionel, wow!! an amazingly gifted runner. Just a phenomenal time for December. Unbelievable.

[Big K]

4x800 results

Chaminade 8:10.94
Michael Schieck-Stephen Donelly-Charles Donelley-Ryan McDermott
Shenendehowa 8:12.76

I wonder if there was another McDermott and Murdock battle in which McDermott won.

Also, on the write up it says, Chaminade in a new meet record of 10:23.86, and at the meet it was announced that it was a new meet record. However, Northport ran 10:19.35 two years ago in the dmr and that is the meet record. The Chaminade runners that I have talked to have all been really nice guys and they deserved more recognition during their victory lap.

[Achilles]

A Little surpised that the very capable McDrmott was able to beat Murdock essentially even up.

Lionel, wow!! an amazingly gifted runner. Just a phenomenal time for December. Unbelievable.

Murdocks XC season was 2 weeks longer than Mcdermott who did split 4:12 at penn last year. Murdock is two weeks behind in fitness and its the first meet. Murdock will be back and running 4:10-4:15 anchor legs again in i'd say 6 weeks or so.

[Scotty]

McD is certainly Murdock's equal at 1600m on the track. Ryan split 4:12.2 at Penn, which is about 1.4 better than Murdock's best 1600 split.

Both VERY good. I'm sure they will hook up another time or two.

[HINKLO]

McDermott passes Murdock with 150m to go to win in 10:23, 4:18 for the anchor. Murdock ran around 4:22ish....

4:22 after a 7-week XC finale is not bad at all.

[The X-Factor]

4x800 results

Chaminade 8:10.94
Michael Schieck-Stephen Donelly-Charles Donelley-Ryan McDermott
Shenendehowa 8:12.76

I wonder if there was another McDermott and Murdock battle in which McDermott won.

Also, on the write up it says, Chaminade in a new meet record of 10:23.86, and at the meet it was announced that it was a new meet record. However, Northport ran 10:19.35 two years ago in the dmr and that is the meet record. The Chaminade runners that I have talked to have all been really nice guys and they deserved more recognition during their victory lap.


yea im pretty sure they didn't beat Northports record. That being said, a victory lap may have been a bit much. Its not like it was a photo finish or something absolutely ridiculous.

[open]

The meet director had the winners of each of the invitational DMR races as well as the 4 x 2 winners take a victory lap - it was not something that the Chaminade team did on their own.

[Joe Lanzalotto]

Craigs Forys was supposed to run for Colts Neck today but a minor injury has forced him to sit out. Steve Murdock delivered this news a little while ago, and boy did he sound relieved on the phone haha.

Don't get the injury thing started. King is right - Craig was NEVER scheduled to run at this meet and will not open for a little while longer yet.

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

whether he was scheduled to run or not, Craigs coach has said that he has a minor injury, dont try to refute it.

[78Champ]

whether he was scheduled to run or not, Craigs coach has said that he has a minor injury, dont try to refute it.

No. Murdock told you that someone told him. Hearsay.

JW

[Scotty]

whether he was scheduled to run or not, Craigs coach has said that he has a minor injury, dont try to refute it.

Even if he DOES have a "minor injury".......no biggie. This is hardly a big deal.

(Noisewater, I'm not attacking you....just pointing out that this kind of thing is hardly headline type stuff. Guys get a bit tweaked at points during the 9mos racing season.)

[pokerking55]

4:22 after a 7-week XC finale is not bad at all.

Although he did have a incredibly long 7 week stretch i think most would have expected more from a third place finisher at foot locker. That being said I'm sure he'll be up there with the best of them when NIN and outdoors rolls around.

[distancesprints]

Murdock did have an awesome 7 week stretch in XC. There's no doubt that definitely had a toll on his body and speed. One might have expected maybe a couple seconds faster for his split, but there's no reason why you would think that there's something wrong with his anchor. We know he isn't the quickest in terms of mile and down and getting beat by someone like mcdermott who is more suited towards the event should not be a surprise. Murdock will definitely be back an run faster 1600's in the 410-413 range.

[Canned Food]

Although he did have a incredibly long 7 week stretch i think most would have expected more from a third place finisher at foot locker.

espically when he and TG went out in what 4:28? at states

[mwfroshxc]

i believe they went through the mile in 4.26 to give them some more credit. I could be wrong since i was in the race.

[trackrunner543]

give murdock a rest!!!!! he just finished a kickass xc season and is running his first indoor track race after resting out a few weeks + he isn't that good at the mile, and by isnt that good I mean, compared to the other footlocker finalist milers out there. and kudos to mcderrmott who ran a stellar race as well. 4:18 in december is awesome.

[The X-Factor]

agreed mcdermott is legit as proven by his Penn anchor last year. Just out of curiosity, what is murdock's 400 pr? I bet its no faster than 56-57.

[donald5370]

anyone watch the video of the dmr on armorytrack.tv and see murdock start dancing right after he finishes

[phil4856]

agreed mcdermott is legit as proven by his Penn anchor last year. Just out of curiosity, what is murdock's 400 pr? I bet its no faster than 56-57.

I will take you up on that bet, any day. running a 56 quarter requires no natural speed. He probably doesn't run the 4 often (if ever) but i'm sure he can run at least 54.

[runxc89]

anyone watch the video of the dmr on armorytrack.tv and see murdock start dancing right after he finishes

that was the best part. i'd prob collapse and die after running 4:22, but he dances.
also, if i was mcdermott, i'd be pissed off at the announcer for calling me my brother's name for the whole race

[NyXc13]

Bump,

Who's going? what are you running?

[Slowpoke]

This was more than a bump. more like a slam... 06-09

[NyXc13]

This was more than a bump. more like a slam... 06-09

yeah.. im kind of a master of the search function.

[backtoback]

yeah.. im kind of a master of the search function.

I'd like to know how to get back this far...

[vikingsxc3200]

I'd like to know how to get back this far...

click on the word SEARCH next to the search bar, then click advanced search. set options accordingly.

[backtoback]

ahhhh...thanks RB

[vikingsxc3200]

ahhhh...thanks RB

no problem.

[CDoh800]

Theres a rumor going around that a freshman might be on fordhams shuttle hurdle relay

[FTT]

i remember that dmr they were talking about it was pretty intense the whole race and the finish was just crazy

[pspnike]

The invitational seeds are up. Any predictions?

[godzilla]

I got CBA and North shore in the boys and girls DMR respectively. And Emily Lipari in the girls 800 cause shes a beast.

[Mig311]

i remember that dmr they were talking about it was pretty intense the whole race and the finish was just crazy

yea it was sick with murdock and mcdermit, i remember getting second in the frosh 4x8 and the announcer didnt know the name of our team, so he called us the big c

[yankee814]

where are the seeds for the meet posted?