No Greene Thread?

[tigercoach]

WHy does it seems he always manages to pull up (not saying it was fake) at big times. And is this it for him? How old is he? Look at the competition, and not another WC till 07 and Olympics till 08. I certainly wouldn't put him on the relay after he just pulled up. We're not a clear favorite with 9.77 and the crew over in Jamacia.

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[KevinM]

WHy does it seems he always manages to pull up (not saying it was fake) at big times.

You mean like when he won four individual outdoor world championships, an Oly gold, an Oly bronze, an Oly relay gold, and an Oly relay silver? Yeah, it sure seems like he always manages to pull up at big times.

[huskeology]

You mean like when he won four individual outdoor world championships, an Oly gold, an Oly bronze, an Oly relay gold, and an Oly relay silver? Yeah, it sure seems like he always manages to pull up at big times.

Couldn't have said it better!

[outwork->outrun]

i think he means lately - he hasn't been performing like the mo greene of a few years ago...but that definitely shouldn't take away from what he's already done

[Kniteryder]

THere was NOTHING FAKE about his injury saturday, I just hope he gets back to good health! He did make the final, maybe he can get on the relay squad "IF" he can get healthy before Aug.

However, we have the tools to compete with the likes of JAM. Don't compare the times because Gatlin and crew all ran in a -2.2 headwind. Which makes his wind THAT much more impressive.

Same with the women, as they ran into a -1.6 headwind.

[Hall_@ss1088]

Mo Greene is too cocky, now, for his own good.

[robert kelly]

THere was NOTHING FAKE about his injury saturday, I just hope he gets back to good health! He did make the final, maybe he can get on the relay squad "IF" he can get healthy before Aug.

However, we have the tools to compete with the likes of JAM. Don't compare the times because Gatlin and crew all ran in a -2.2 headwind. Which makes his wind THAT much more impressive.

Same with the women, as they ran into a -1.6 headwind.HSI reports that Mo has been asked to join the WC sprint relay.

[Kniteryder]

HSI reports that Mo has been asked to join the WC sprint relay.

So all he needs to do is get healthy, but that isn't like its gonna be easy!


I say if he does, Scott to Green to Crawford to Gatlin. But if he isn't, then I would put Scott to Crawford to Gay to Gatlin.

[tigercoach]

That's exactly what I meant lately (over the past few years). Why are people so quick to try to hurl an insult on here. Very uncivil. I'm a big Mo Greene support. Even had the pleasure of meeting him while running in college. He has had some "nagging" injuries over the last few years. The likes of which I see no other sprinter getting h.s., college, or pro. I know he's a bigger guy, but he gets his fair share of muscle stuff. Let's not forget the MJ match race also. Why is that? That's all. I know what he's done. I'm one that's in the camp that says while he isn't (IMO) the greatest sprinter all time, he is the greatest 100m man. Do you risk the team with a hammy which can take a while to heal by putting him on. I wouldn't. I know those times are into a wind. BUt we didn't win the Olympics and got the stick around for once and that was to the Brits. This Jamacian team should be better than them and we had a healthy team.

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[TrackCoach]

That's exactly what I meant lately (over the past few years). Why are people so quick to try to hurl an insult on here. Very uncivil. I'm a big Mo Greene support. Even had the pleasure of meeting him while running in college. He has had some "nagging" injuries over the last few years. The likes of which I see no other sprinter getting h.s., college, or pro. I know he's a bigger guy, but he gets his fair share of muscle stuff. Let's not forget the MJ match race also. Why is that? That's all. I know what he's done. I'm one that's in the camp that says while he isn't (IMO) the greatest sprinter all time, he is the greatest 100m man. Do you risk the team with a hammy which can take a while to heal by putting him on. I wouldn't. I know those times are into a wind. BUt we didn't win the Olympics and got the stick around for once and that was to the Brits. This Jamacian team should be better than them and we had a healthy team.

Tiger Coach


Mo Greene was not faking yesterday, anyone who knows sprinting will tell you that he was really hurt. Why would he fake it, he had the fastest time coming into finals, he got out of the blocks well and was in perfect position beginning his acceleration phase.

The fact is, Mo's time from the prelims would have been around 9.92 if he had a little win at his back. --I still think he is among the top 3 sprinters in the U.S.

America owns all but two of the top 10 4x100 relays times ever run. Our advantage is that we never have a week link; our slowest guy is usually capable of running sub-10. You can't look at the best individual times coming out of Jamaica and mathematically assume relay superiority...it does not work that way. Powell is Jamaica's only [consistent] big time performer I know of. However, the margin for error will be very slim this year, there are several good 4x100s and if our stick work is bad, then Jamaica will not be our only problem.

[tigercoach]

I didn't say he was faking it. Why would he when he is getting on in years and he was in the race. Besides one of my questions is why risk the relay since he's hurt. So that must mean I believe he is hurt. As for the relay. Jamacia and GB are close with a healthy U.S. team. GB proved it only a year ago. Powell was not running this well. Now he is. And our team puts up good 4 x 100's b/c of open times. They of course do translate. Getting the stick around is a totally different question. You certainly wouldn't pose that arguement about our 400m runners transfering to the 4 x 400. OF course the stick passes aren't as critical,but the point is made. Open times do translate if the stick is passed. In fact their faster, and let's not make the chemistry arguement at the elite level. Most of them are in different camps and have little time to practice batons. I agree it makes a difference (chemistry) in H.S. and college (see JW and Darold) but not with elites.

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[exjersey1]

I say if he does, Scott to Green to Crawford to Gatlin. But if he isn't, then I would put Scott to Crawford to Gay to Gatlin.


Gay over Dix?

[TrackDaddy]

WHy does it seems he always manages to pull up (not saying it was fake) at big times.Tigercoach I know you're not saying he faked it.

But I also don't agree he pulls up at big times.

He's a fierce competitor who has always talked big...and usually backed it up.

I share your concern about his injury and putting him on the relay, however.

[Tha Fonz]

Mo Greene is too cocky, now, for his own good.


When you can run a 9.79 in the 100 meters, cockiness is manditory.

[Kniteryder]

When you can run a 9.79 in the 100 meters, cockiness is manditory.


Agreed...he's earned it in my book!

[Kniteryder]

Gay over Dix?


HELL'S YES!! Have u ever seen Gay on a curve??? That is where he ran on the ARK team and its the reason why they were ahead in all of their wins!!

He is HELL ON WHEELS on that curve!

[JaredR]

When you can run a 9.79 in the 100 meters, cockiness is manditory.
Maybe, I don't know. Frank Fredericks, who has run more sub 9.9's than anyone but Greene(I think) and holds the WR for indoor 200 and is the second best ever in outdoor 200 meters, is and was NEVER cocky.

Do you guys think Greene is gonna keep that GOAT tattoo forever? I wonder if he regrets getting it. I think in order to live up to GOAT, he'd have to win another WC's and another Olympics 100 and 4x100, and get the WR one more time. I don't see that happening. He's one of the greatest but not my greatest of all time.

[Cocca]

Maybe, I don't know. Frank Fredericks, who has run more sub 9.9's than anyone but Greene(I think) and holds the WR for indoor 200 and is the second best ever in outdoor 200 meters, is and was NEVER cocky.

Do you guys think Greene is gonna keep that GOAT tattoo forever? I wonder if he regrets getting it. I think in order to live up to GOAT, he'd have to win another WC's and another Olympics 100 and 4x100, and get the WR one more time. I don't see that happening. He's one of the greatest but not my greatest of all time.
Well Frank never had an outdoor record i do belive, which is the more important season, you don't see many elites run muhc indoors unless its a WC season, and his best time is a couple tenths off the world record, whereas mo's pr was the standard of 100 meter sprinting until Powell this season. He is the standard of consistancy along with Mo tho, but he hasnt done as much as mo has. Who would you say is the greatest of all time? Lewis?

[KevinM]

Maybe, I don't know. Frank Fredericks, who has run more sub 9.9's than anyone but Greene(I think) ...


Sub 9.90
Greene -- 10
Boldon -- 8
Powell -- 4
Crawford -- 3
Fredericks -- 3
Montgomery -- 3
Surin -- 2
Burrell -- 2

[Cocca]

Sub 9.90
Greene -- 10
Boldon -- 8
Powell -- 4
Crawford -- 3
Fredericks -- 3
Montgomery -- 3
Surin -- 2
Burrell -- 2
Monty shouldn't be on that list :p . And how many of Powell's sub 9.9 are from this year? all of them?

[JaredR]

Sub 9.90
Greene -- 10
Boldon -- 8
Powell -- 4
Crawford -- 3
Fredericks -- 3
Montgomery -- 3
Surin -- 2
Burrell -- 2

Oops. It was the most sub 10's I was thinking of, which I think Fredericks is higher on that list because of his longetivity.

[teamV]

fredericks is nowhere near greene on the sub 10 list, greene has 52 and fredericks has 27.

http://www.atoboldon.com/hotstats/ proof

[JaredR]

fredericks is nowhere near greene on the sub 10 list, greene has 52 and fredericks has 27.

http://www.atoboldon.com/hotstats/ proof
I didn't say he was near Greene. I said Frank is higher on the all time sub 10 list than sub 9.9 list. I don't mean compared to Greene, I just mean Frank's overall ranking on those lists. He's third for most sub 10's but 5th for sub 9.9's. Just a few years ago, Greene, Bolden and Fredericks were 1-2-3 on both lists. Now Crawford, Powell and Montgomery are up there.

[teamV]

im sorry i misunderstood you