relationship between LJ, TJ, and HJ?

[forthewin2]

what are your thoughts on the reationship between lj, tj, and hj ability?
personally i am pretty good at LJ and TJ (relative to my county/class competition) but pretty much horrible at HJ, like i cleared 4'9" in practice at best (to be fair it was my second or so day HJ but still...that was a stretch to do haha)

so what do you guys think about the relationship between the 3 jumps, and how do you personally do in them?

[Beto]

Well I'm a 45' and 21' consisten Jumper in Triple and Long, in HJ one time I cleared in shoes 1.70m jaja


So I do what I do " better " :


TJ and LJ :D


Pd- I'm still happy to finally pass the 14m, I know that's not to much, but for me is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo huge :)


C ya guys

[decather]

what about pole vault.....ive seen some really good female polevaulters (over 3.40m) do really well in HJ, like 1.65-1.75m. My coach tells me to practice long jumping once in a while when hes busy.

[Ecliptica]

I feel like there's a lot more of a speed relationship between long jump and triple jump than there is with high jump. The same goes for pole vault - the most elite pole vaulter have incredible speed. There's a reason why Bubka was the best pole vaulter ever and that had to do with the fact that he also had world class sprinting speed (10.1x or 10.2x, something along those lines).

EDIT: It was 10.20; that is unbelievable speed for a 100m runner, let alone a pole vaulter who never ran any competitive 100m races.

[adrianli]

I feel like there's a lot more of a speed relationship between long jump and triple jump than there is with high jump. The same goes for pole vault - the most elite pole vaulter have incredible speed. There's a reason why Bubka was the best pole vaulter ever and that had to do with the fact that he also had world class sprinting speed (10.1x or 10.2x, something along those lines).

EDIT: It was 10.20; that is unbelievable speed for a 100m runner, let alone a pole vaulter who never ran any competitive 100m races.

i can see your point, but for hj, i try to get as much speed on the curve as i can...it lets me to lean away from the bar more, thus creating more of a "pop" when i leave the ground.

[skifree]

i can see your point, but for hj, i try to get as much speed on the curve as i can...it lets me to lean away from the bar more, thus creating more of a "pop" when i leave the ground.

Its really different for shorter high jumpers like you and taller ones like hjfrick and even taller guys. You and my teamate are both around 5'9 5'10 and get tons of speed around the turn to pop. But, I saw a guy who was probably around 6'10 jump at BU in the winter and he was barely running and cleared 6'11 I think. Personally, I jump 22', 47', and I cleared 6'3" in practice in HJ but had to stop practicing because my knee started to bother me too much. Then again, I know there are guys who can jump decently far in LJ/TJ and really can't HJ at all. I find the best jumpers are at least decent at all 3 though. Pole vault is a different story. I cleared 10 feet in a heptathlon once haha. I scored double the amount of points in LJ

[HJfrick]

You and my teamate are both around 5'9 5'10 and get tons of speed around the turn to pop.

They're also both asian, why you gotta hate? tagged just in case

LJ and TJ are undoubtedly the two most related jumps. You see a lot more guys doubling in these two than in any other. HJ requires only as much speed as your curve can handle.

[forthewin2]

i think LJ and TJ def are the closest, but often your at least respectable in HJ if your good at those...
but my PRs are LJ - 18'11.75 TJ 37' 11.5" and my best HJ is 4'9" in practice lol
so personally i can not high jump haha girls can beat me easily...im no pro at the other jumps but relative to my county im respecatble

[jblack]

I believe they are all related since you've got have some "hops" to compete, but from what I've seen over the years you are more likely to see an occasional HJer branch out to the LJ and TJ rather than TJ and LJ making it in HJ. At the college level right now you've got a few guys that are competitive in both -Tone Belt and Norris Fredrick are examples of that. The problem is, jumping at that high of a competitive level will eventually take its toll on your legs (ankle in particular). Another example would be Michael Morrison of Florida. His main event in HS was HJ and he was great at it. Later in his HS career he began LJ and won NIC in both his senior year. Unfortunately, in college he battled injuries and IMHO never became as good as he could have been because of the attempt to do both at the collegiate level. Christian Olsson (TJ 17.83 in and 17.79 out, LJ 7.71, HJ 2.28) is another example of this at an even high level. He started out as a HJer and even won gold at the European Junior's in 99. Now he's the worlds best in TJ, but in recent years has contemplated entering a HJ competition.

[Ecliptica]

Two years ago at my conference meet, we had a guy win triple gold in the LJ, TJ, and HJ.

He ended up jumping 25'8.25" (7.83m), 53'9.25" (16.39m), and 7'6.5" (2.30m) in that meet. Pretty good two days for him.

[jblack]

Two years ago at my conference meet, we had a guy win triple gold in the LJ, TJ, and HJ.

He ended up jumping 25'8.25" (7.83m), 53'9.25" (16.39m), and 7'6.5" (2.30m) in that meet. Pretty good two days for him.

I'm assuming you are talking about Mickael Hanany of UTEP. Great athlete and another example of a HJ'er taking up TJ and LJ and being very successful at all 3. Unfortunately, as the years go by his results, although good by most standards, have been less impressive. He ended up 12th and TJ and 8th in HJ during this last indoor season. He redshirted outdoor and looked good (and won) the UTEP invitational in April where he competed unattached. I hope he sticks with just HJ!

[HJfrick]

Another guy doing all 3 is Derek Gearman from Minnesota. Made Nationals in all 3 jumps.

[Dazzy]

You hardly need any speed to high jump until you are getting 30-40cm above you height, its not like LJ or TJ. Alot of time when people run fast to high jump there doing it to compensate for other flaws in their technique which could be sorted more effectively in other ways.

[jblack]

Another guy doing all 3 is Derek Gearman from Minnesota. Made Nationals in all 3 jumps.

Geamans thoughts on the 3 events-

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=RUN-TRIPLETHREAT-06-07-07

[Explosive]

You hardly need any speed to high jump until you are getting 30-40cm above you height, its not like LJ or TJ. Alot of time when people run fast to high jump there doing it to compensate for other flaws in their technique which could be sorted more effectively in other ways.

No, you need speed because momentum carries you over the bar. F = MA

[Dazzy]

Quoting newton lol! Unfortunately A is acceleration not speed, which is coming from the takeoff. (If you want to model a high jump take off so simply and incorectly)

My last post wasnt talking about NO speed the key word was MUCH speed, too many people thing you need to sprint in order to clear a high jump bar when in reality you could jump very high with very little pace.

[adrianli]

Quoting newton lol! Unfortunately A is acceleration not speed, which is coming from the takeoff. (If you want to model a high jump take off so simply and incorectly)

My last post wasnt talking about NO speed the key word was MUCH speed, too many people thing you need to sprint in order to clear a high jump bar when in reality you could jump very high with very little pace.

not unless you only have a 30" vertical

[forthewin2]

its also about translating the momentum and having technique lol for example i always started my jump at the wrong place, like i would come to close to hitting the stand...im not a high jumper at all but i had basically no idea what i was doing when i tryed haha it always looks so cool though when someones good

[Dazzy]

Your really not getting this are you, my point is you can get enough momentum and carry over the bar with not much speed. Example Steve Smith GBR 1.85 tall did 2.37 off a 5 stride approach, he certainly wasnt breaking any speed records on that one.

[adrianli]

i'm not saying everyone HAS to have speed. i'm saying that people with a low vertical jump need more speed than the others to make up for it.

[Dazzy]

My posts were more aimed at the guy quoting newton lol, not at you adrianli, there some truth in what your saying.

[Explosive]

not unless you only have a 30" vertical

i'm not saying everyone HAS to have speed. i'm saying that people with a low vertical jump need more speed than the others to make up for it.

My posts were more aimed at the guy quoting newton lol, not at you adrianli, there some truth in what your saying.

Hollis Conway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaijDxfgtWk

Had a 30" vertical

[Dazzy]

Whats your point?