Best Girls Teams in MA, any division

[polyxc]

Pick the Top FIVE Girls Teams in Massachusetts, any division.

If you think a team deserved to be in the poll, say WHO and WHY.

There a lot of very good girls teams in Massachusetts this year!

[polyxc]

Threats:

Newton South
Chelmsford
Franklin
Amherst-Pelham
Westford Academy
Marshfield

Holyoke Catholic
Whitinsville Christian
Wellesley
Lunenburg

[mcrun33]

How can Newton South not be on your poll. Ryan-Davis went 5:10 indoors, and joins the XC team healthy for the first time. Karys was 4th in Emass D1 last year, and might be their #3 runner. They graduate one of their top 7. They will push LS.

[Rach_the_Sage]

How can Newton South not be on your poll. Ryan-Davis went 5:10 indoors, and joins the XC team healthy for the first time. Karys was 4th in Emass D1 last year, and might be their #3 runner. They graduate one of their top 7. They will push LS.

Is Bridget Dahlberg doing XC?

[hayesc]

D-Y represent cape cod fo life.

[OldMiler]

How can Newton South not be on your poll. Ryan-Davis went 5:10 indoors, and joins the XC team healthy for the first time. Karys was 4th in Emass D1 last year, and might be their #3 runner. They graduate one of their top 7. They will push LS.

gotta agree with McRun
Newton South is deep and fast, easily ahead of Masc, Haverhill and probably DY.
If Dahlberg chooses XC I'd place them 2nd in D1.
Surprise team could be Mt Greylock who loses noone and could make a run at Bromfield in D2

[mrpatrick30]

D-Y represent cape cod fo life.

truthhhh

[Sizzlexc]

Voted Newton South:confused:

[NSHSDad]

NS: Bridget loves soccer - I suspect she'll do that, although we (I) can hope. I'm not totally sure, but Madeliene Reed might do XC - she did a 5:14 outdoor. If Madeliene and Bridget run, that would be wild.

[oracle]

How can Newton South not be on your poll. Ryan-Davis went 5:10 indoors, and joins the XC team healthy for the first time. Karys was 4th in Emass D1 last year, and might be their #3 runner. They graduate one of their top 7. They will push LS.

I agree with you that they should at least be included in the poll given that they are a perennial XC powerhouse. I also think they will contend for the title, although it is not obvious why by looking at just last year's XC results. Saying that they return six of seven is misleading in that last year they had a good top four and then a big drop to five (21:48 at EMass D1 last year, over a minute and a half behind their fourth). The one runner NS loses is a big one: Rudie, their number two. The bigger the meet, the more those last two spots are going to hurt NS, so they appear on paper to be more like DY - returning a potent top three but need to fill a couple of spots. Consider that LS returns 14 runners who have run under 21 for a 5k, all faster than NS's returning fourth of last year, and that's not considering any new influx of talent (e.g. Arthur).

So they really have to find two new runners to contend this year, and that assumes that their top three remain healthy. Assuming that Ryan-Davis fills in for Rudie, they have to find at least one more. The obvious one that could vault them to the top is of course Dahlberg. Even without Dahlberg they had a lot of young talent showing up in the distance during the track season. Don't know if she does XC but Maddie Reed, third in the mile at Emass D1, comes immediately to mind. While I think they will at least find that fifth and be better than last year, until we see who comes out NS will be a bit of a mystery.

[polyxc]

Many reliable sources have said that I goofed on Newton South. :o

I am thinking about doing the poll over again.

[mcrun33]

[QUOTE=oracle;1986597]Consider that LS returns 14 runners who have run under 21 for a 5k, all faster than NS's returning fourth of last year, and that's not considering any new influx of talent (e.g. Arthur). QUOTE]

True, but remember that LS can only really use its top 7 (although their extreme depth will allow them to save their best kids for later in the season... imagine running dual meets without your top 7, and still killing most teams?). think NS will be alot closer to LS than anyone credits them.

[Rach_the_Sage]

True, but remember that LS can only really use its top 7 (although their extreme depth will allow them to save their best kids for later in the season... imagine running dual meets without your top 7, and still killing most teams?). think NS will be alot closer to LS than anyone credits them.

Would you or someone else mind sharing with us who you expect to be Newton South's top 5 or 7? Obviously they are a strong team and have a strong history but I'd be interested in what the team will look like in 2007.

[mcrun33]

1) Kelsey Karys (19:20)
2) Madeline Reed (5:10 mile)
3) Juliet Ryan-Davis (5:14 mile)
4) Hannah Westbrook (20:20)
5) Nina Slote (20:20)
6) Elizabeth May (21:50 as a frosh)
7) Sonya Freeman (21:40 as a junior)

Dahlberg will probably play soccer. Still a pretty good team coming back, and a pretty good coach last time I checked.

[clifbar]

1) Kelsey Karys (19:20)
2) Madeline Reed (5:10 mile)
3) Juliet Ryan-Davis (5:14 mile)
4) Hannah Westbrook (20:20)
5) Nina Slote (20:20)
6) Elizabeth May (21:50 as a frosh)
7) Sonya Freeman (21:40 as a junior)

Dahlberg will probably play soccer. Still a pretty good team coming back, and a pretty good coach last time I checked.Don't forget:
98 #258 Fineman, Melanie FR Newton South 22:05 68 - Northfield
I'm pretty sure she also ran around 11:50 this season

[oracle]

[QUOTE=oracle;1986597]
[...]think NS will be alot closer to LS than anyone credits them.

Oh I don't know, every post I see is already giving them credit. The Girls D1 poll currently has NS with two more votes than LS so I don't think anyone in from this area is going to be surprised by them. I was pointing out that if someone unfamiliar with the local scene were to look at returning runners from last year, NS would not stick out like they should.

[NSHSDad]

What are the likely Bromfield 7 spots ? Jones, Lee, but what are the other spots?

Here's last year's results from Brown for Bromfield and LS, where they went 3-4:

3 BROMFIELD 1 5 9 16 40( 46)( 52) = 71
EMILY JONES, ELIZA IVES, LIZ LEE, LISA REEDICH, KAT LONG, E HUBER, M CARDENAS,
4 LINCOLN SUDBURY 7 17 21 29 30( 33)( 56) = 104
DANA JAMEISON, BARBARA MACNEILL, HANNAH ZIOBROWSKI, JESS GRIFFIN, E MEPHAM, H CLARKE, S ZEYTOONIAN

1 1 203 JONES EMILY BROMFIELD SO 17:49.2
7 5 202 IVES ELIZA BROMFIELD SR 18:31.4
11 9 204 LEE LIZ BROMFIELD JR 19:03.6
19 16 206 REEDICH LISA BROMFIELD SO 19:28.6
47 40 205 LONG KAT BROMFIELD JR 20:22.6
53 46 201 HUBER ELLEN BROMFIELD SR 20:35.6
61 52 200 CARDENAS MARGARET BROMFIELD SR 21:05.0

3 Seniors on last year's squad

9 7 599 JAMEISON DANA LINCOLN SUDBURY JR 18:42.9
20 17 600 MACNEILL BARBARA LINCOLN SUDBURY SO 19:29.0
27 21 603 ZIOBROWSKI HANNAH LINCOLN SUDBURY JR 19:47.1
36 29 609 GRIFFIN JESSICA LINCOLN SUDBURY SO 20:09.0
37 30 601 MEPHAM EMILY LINCOLN SUDBURY JR 20:11.9
40 33 598 CLARKE HOLLY LINCOLN SUDBURY FR 20:17.6
65 56 616 ZEYTOONIAN STEPH LINCOLN SUDBURY JR 21:08.3

No seniors -also - Arthur? Hylton? Potter?

[chrisdiaz16]

LS and Bromfield will never meet in-state right?

[s2fan]

What are the likely Bromfield 7 spots ? Jones, Lee, but what are the other spots?

Here's last year's results from Brown for Bromfield and LS, where they went 3-4:

3 BROMFIELD 1 5 9 16 40( 46)( 52) = 71
EMILY JONES, ELIZA IVES, LIZ LEE, LISA REEDICH, KAT LONG, E HUBER, M CARDENAS,
4 LINCOLN SUDBURY 7 17 21 29 30( 33)( 56) = 104
DANA JAMEISON, BARBARA MACNEILL, HANNAH ZIOBROWSKI, JESS GRIFFIN, E MEPHAM, H CLARKE, S ZEYTOONIAN

1 1 203 JONES EMILY BROMFIELD SO 17:49.2
7 5 202 IVES ELIZA BROMFIELD SR 18:31.4
11 9 204 LEE LIZ BROMFIELD JR 19:03.6
19 16 206 REEDICH LISA BROMFIELD SO 19:28.6
47 40 205 LONG KAT BROMFIELD JR 20:22.6
53 46 201 HUBER ELLEN BROMFIELD SR 20:35.6
61 52 200 CARDENAS MARGARET BROMFIELD SR 21:05.0

3 Seniors on last year's squad

9 7 599 JAMEISON DANA LINCOLN SUDBURY JR 18:42.9
20 17 600 MACNEILL BARBARA LINCOLN SUDBURY SO 19:29.0
27 21 603 ZIOBROWSKI HANNAH LINCOLN SUDBURY JR 19:47.1
36 29 609 GRIFFIN JESSICA LINCOLN SUDBURY SO 20:09.0
37 30 601 MEPHAM EMILY LINCOLN SUDBURY JR 20:11.9
40 33 598 CLARKE HOLLY LINCOLN SUDBURY FR 20:17.6
65 56 616 ZEYTOONIAN STEPH LINCOLN SUDBURY JR 21:08.3

No seniors -also - Arthur? Hylton? Potter?

besides the above returnees for bromfield

emily jones
liz lee
lisa reddich
kat long

they may return

emily reddich - who ran pretty close to lisa
emily egan - 6th on team at states last year.
Eliza Ives younger sister - who ran varsity at times last year


think i remember seeing a decent time for an 8th grader in outdoor track as well.

if the 3-4-5-6-7 are putting in the miles this summer they could give LS depth a run for the $$.

[OldMiler]

besides the above returnees for bromfield
emily jones, liz lee, lisa reddich, kat long
they may return

emily reddich - who ran pretty close to lisa
emily egan - 6th on team at states last year.
Eliza Ives younger sister - who ran varsity at times last year

think i remember seeing a decent time for an 8th grader in outdoor track as well. if the 3-4-5-6-7 are putting in the miles this summer they could give LS depth a run for the $$.

Bromfield is better than they appear if you're just looking at '06 AllStates.
I don't know what happened but Kat Long didn't even race Northfield and she was their 4th at CMass. At CMass Huber sat out and then was over 22minutes at Northfield so who knows, maybe a flu or something.
This makes their top 5 returnees :
Jones, Lee, Long, Reedich, Reedich

Northfield may have handed them (the Reedich sisters) a bad day but since
LS #3-6 ran faster than the Reedich's I'd give LS the nod in an invite
but looks like a coinflip in a dual meet.
All this is before LS adds that new talent but Bromfield is no slouch in that regard either

[oracle]

Just for fun, I took the returning runners for the teams listed in the poll plus Newton South and Franklin from last year's all-state meet and created a fantasy meet. For DY and HW, who only had four returning runners, I just gave them a fifth that was one place lower than their last runner. Here are the results:

1) LS: 5-11-24-25-28 = 93
2) Bromfield: 1-4-31-34-45 = 115
3) Mt Greylock: 6-13-26-33-44 = 122
4) OA: 2-9-18-53-54 = 136
5) Feehan: 20-22-27-36-42=147
6) Hopkington: 10-16-19-47-58=150
7) HW: 3-15-46-48-(49)=161
8) DY: 7-12-17-63-(64)=163
9) Masco: 8-21-41-52-62=184
10) Haverhill: 30-35-39-40-49=193
11) Franklin: 14-32-43-50-56=195
12) NS: 23-37-38-51-57=206

I know that a couple of teams did not run well that day, but someone always has an off day at a given race. That's why the depth is important - with LS their 6/7 are capable of filling in for off days of the top 5. Assuming that everyone holds to form (which of course never happens), here is what some teams need for new blood to overtake the top spot based on the above:

2) Bromfield: a 25th place runner in the combined meet, which would be a new number 3 for them. Last year that would have been about a 20:10 Northfield or speed rating of 119 (if I calculated that correctly). They do have a knack for producing new phenoms every year.

3) Mt Greylock: an 18th place runner - 19:57 Northfield - speed rating 123.

4) OA: a 14th place runner - 19:51 - 125.

After that, most teams need an influx of two runners to reach the top. For example, DY would need two Northfield 20:15 runners. All of which is possible. Last year there were three freshman around these marks: Davidner (19:10), D'Agostino (20:05) and Barry (20:18). In fact, the top three finishers for LS were soccer transfers (Jamieson, Mepham, Griffin) who had never run XC or even distance before. NS already has two or three significant additions to go along with Karys rebounding from an off day.

[polyxc]

Oracle, +rep

[polyxc]

LS and Bromfield will never meet in-state right?
I'd like to see them meet on the Northeast NTN course (Bowdoin) this September!

[chrisdiaz16]

I'd like to see them meet on the Northeast NTN course (Bowdoin) this September!

the problem with that is that they may not go if they decide they don't have a great chance of making it, because going would mean that emily jones doesn't get to run flne

[Warrior]

the problem with that is that they may not go if they decide they don't have a great chance of making it, because going would mean that emily jones doesn't get to run flne

Any word on whether they'll be exceptions for individuals racing for their team instead?

[seedickrun]

Bromfield is better than they appear if you're just looking at '06 AllStates.
I don't know what happened but Kat Long didn't even race Northfield and she was their 4th at CMass. At CMass Huber sat out and then was over 22minutes at Northfield so who knows, maybe a flu or something.
This makes their top 5 returnees :
Jones, Lee, Long, Reedich, Reedich

Northfield may have handed them (the Reedich sisters) a bad day but since
LS #3-6 ran faster than the Reedich's I'd give LS the nod in an invite
but looks like a coinflip in a dual meet.
All this is before LS adds that new talent but Bromfield is no slouch in that regard either

IIRC, Long was out injured, Cardenas had been sick, Cardosi was out injured, L Reedich was sick or injured, E Reedich broke her leg on the mountain and finished anyway, I can't remember about Huber, and Egan was running with an injury. Someone mentioned in an earlier post the E Ives' sister might have run last year for varsity, but she quit the team before the season started. In spite of all that they pulled off the win. Should be fun to see what happens this year.

[s2fan]

IIRC, Long was out injured, Cardenas had been sick, Cardosi was out injured, L Reedich was sick or injured, E Reedich broke her leg on the mountain and finished anyway, I can't remember about Huber, and Egan was running with an injury. Someone mentioned in an earlier post the E Ives' sister might have run last year for varsity, but she quit the team before the season started. In spite of all that they pulled off the win. Should be fun to see what happens this year.

Nice detail!

wow - sounds like a serious case of overcoming adversity. Broken leg :eek:

thought i saw another ives in a result - maybe it was for the year before, did she run then?

any idea if all are returning? hope they are putting in the miles, the comp will be tough.

[NSHSDad]

http://www.dyestat.com//?pg=us2007XCSuper25PreSeason&PHPSESSID=e93b719453c665251ebcef0ebdd3a345

So, preseason rankings - looks like Mark Bloom is picking Bromfield as a top 25, but I don't see LS there, surpringly.

[Lethal Axe]

Can I nominate Phillips Andover's girl team?

Their top 7 are all under 20 and I believe that 3 are under 19. They're all only juniors too.

Whoops, Their top 8 are under 19:37 and they have 4 sub-19.

[swellgirl]

Can I nominate Phillips Andover's girl team?

Their top 7 are all under 20 and I believe that 3 are under 19. They're all only juniors too.

Whoops, Their top 8 are under 19:37 and they have 4 sub-19.

Which course did they run these times on? All MA residents?

[oracle]

What's the difference in terms of athletics between private schools like SJP and Notre Dame and a school like Philips? Why do some participate as MIAA and some ISL? Is it the choice of the private school or is there some requirement of the MIAA that the ISL schools don't meet but the Catholic schools do?

[Lethal Axe]

Which course did they run these times on? All MA residents?
They ran them at Phillips Exeter's cross country course. But I guess you're right. Only 4/top 7 are from Mass. Other three are from Canada, VT and NH.

What's the difference in terms of athletics between private schools like SJP and Notre Dame and a school like Philips? Why do some participate as MIAA and some ISL? Is it the choice of the private school or is there some requirement of the MIAA that the ISL schools don't meet but the Catholic schools do?

Well, at Phillips, they can recruit from people around the world so they're at a distinct advantage. Phillips, as well as St. Pauls, Deerfield, NMH and a few others are in a division called "NEPSTA." New England Prep School league.

[swellgirl]

Well, at Phillips, they can recruit from people around the world so they're at a distinct advantage. Phillips, as well as St. Pauls, Deerfield, NMH and a few others are in a division called "NEPSTA." New England Prep School league.

NEPSTA is actually an association that includes many different leagues. For example the ISL (Milton, Nobles, St. Paul's, etc.), EIL (Pingree, Concord Academy, Winsor, etc.) and Founders League (Deerfield, Choate, etc.) all feed into the five different divisions of NEPSTA XC.

Some of the schools in the ISL and EIL are day only so it can be interesting to look at how those teams compare against MA public schools. In most cases there isn't much comparison, but a few schools might be able to pull off respectable state performances.

[BOSTON26.2]

Is Bridget Dahlberg doing XC? Dahlberg told me she's playing soccer.

[NSHSDad]

Yup, Bridget's doing soccer. I saw her today at practice. She really enjoys soccer - gotta go with what motivates a person!

[Warrior]

Bridget would obviously have made a huge impact. They'll still be VERY good and I bet they'll have some other new surprises anyways. They always seem too.

[DynamicDanielle]

Yup, Bridget's doing soccer. I saw her today at practice. She really enjoys soccer - gotta go with what motivates a person!

There is nothing wrong with that :cool:

[chrisdiaz16]

What's the difference in terms of athletics between private schools like SJP and Notre Dame and a school like Philips? Why do some participate as MIAA and some ISL? Is it the choice of the private school or is there some requirement of the MIAA that the ISL schools don't meet but the Catholic schools do?

phillips academy has kids going for fifth years of hs so they have more time to improve and impress college coaches (happens more with other sports than with running), which keeps them from being able to join the miaa

[BOSTON26.2]

There is nothing wrong with that :cool: Absolutely not. Remember, Lindsay Donaldson was a soccer player until she switched over to cross country her senior year. And she was lights out in track before making the switch.

[NSHSDad]

There seem to be a bunch of soccer/track cross-overs.

I think Longo, Natalie Crutchfield, Nick Colantuono are some ones that immediately come to mind.

(BTW...what's with the green dots/red dots thing? I had a bunch of green dots yesterday and have three red dots today. Does that mean I said something wrong, or is this just random happenstance?)

[DynamicDanielle]

There seem to be a bunch of soccer/track cross-overs.

I think Longo, Natalie Crutchfield, Nick Colantuono are some ones that immediately come to mind.

(BTW...what's with the green dots/red dots thing? I had a bunch of green dots yesterday and have three red dots today. Does that mean I said something wrong, or is this just random happenstance?)

This forum has a reputation system so if you had a bunch of green dots and now have red dots indicating you "can only hope to improve" then someone didn't like or agree with one of your posts. If you click on your user control panel you can figure out who/why. Often the reputation system is a little spurious but I suppose it had the potential to allow for user moderation of others.

[400master]

This forum has a reputation system so if you had a bunch of green dots and now have red dots indicating you "can only hope to improve" then someone didn't like or agree with one of your posts. If you click on your user control panel you can figure out who/why. Often the reputation system is a little spurious but I suppose it had the potential to allow for user moderation of others.

his post seemed well thought out and researched I give him green

[DynamicDanielle]

his post seemed well thoought out and researched I give him green

I was just answering his question--I have no idea what post he was negatively repped in response to.

[400master]

I was just answering his question--I have no idea what post he was negatively repped in response to.

I knew you where pointing that out, I was using your post to point out he had well thought out post, sorry for the confusion

[NSHSDad]

No worries - I was just curious what that was all about. I do try to respond thoughtfully, but ya never know how someone might be offended. Can't please everyone I guess. Thanks.

[msweenz]

No worries - I was just curious what that was all about. I do try to respond thoughtfully, but ya never know how someone might be offended. Can't please everyone I guess. Thanks.

There you go, I gave you full green back.

[chrisdiaz16]

hot gossip from abxc--

cara shorey, casey hsuing, and jill crowley are all training w/ the xc team; havent decided yet if they'll be racing or just using it to get in shape before indoor

[mcrun33]

hot gossip from abxc--

cara shorey, casey hsuing, and jill crowley are all training w/ the xc team; havent decided yet if they'll be racing or just using it to get in shape before indoor

A la Dana Jamieson. I wonder if that kind of talent will seep through. I bet at least two of them are really good at XC.

[s2fan]

Many reliable sources have said that I goofed on Newton South. :o

I am thinking about doing the poll over again.

Newton South jumps ahead on Lincoln Sudbury for the NTN week 2 rankings.

http://dyestat.com//?pg=us2007XCRegionalRankingsNortheast

guess someone was very impressed with amherst race.

Giving MASS 3 of top 7.....impressive.

Absolute proof - Poly - that you did in fact goof on this poll:)