Midwest Ranked Results Thread

[watchout]

Here's a good idea, a thread for all the results of teams that are ranked in the latest rankings.

Indiana has already started it's season.

Carmel IN, who is an "honorable mention" team in the region, soundly defeated Lawrence North at Brebeuf Early Bird. Although it looks like none of the teams had their full varsities their (Carmel's #1 Rosenburg was not there, for example)

http://onlineraceresults.com/race/view_plain_text.php?race_id=6102

1. CARMEL
2 3 4 6 8 (9) (10) = 23
J.D. SMITH , KEVIN COURTNEY , DANIEL KINN , BRIAN BATES , TOM OHLMAN ,
DANIEL PORTER , ZACH MORRIS
2. LAWRENCE NORTH
1 5 7 11 17 (20) (23) = 41
ERIC THAMAN , SCOTT STANLEY , MATT FARKAS , ZACH MILLER , DANIEL RIPLEY ,
BRAD MURRELL , ZACH GRESE
3. HERITAGE CHRISTIAN
14 15 16 18 21 (22) (33) = 84
KIMBER SHAW , WILL FRALER , NICK THOMPSON , JACK MORGAN , COLIN CUMMINGS ,
KYLE BRENLEY , SAM VANCE
4. BREBEUF JESUIT PREP
13 19 25 26 31 (32) (34) = 114
JASON HOARD , JOHN KRASICH , ANDY BRUN , TYLER HOFFMAN , KEVIN KISSEL , MAX
BLANKENHORN , MATT KASHER
5. BISHOP CHATARD
12 28 29 30 35 (36) (37) = 134
MARK SKLORENKO , WILL O'BRYAN , JACKSON WEBBER , ANDREW TEGARDEN , NICK
AUDENAERT , TOM O'BRYAN , JOHN SAHM
6. UNIVERSITY
24 27 42 43 46 = 182
EDDIE STAGE , CULLEN WEBSTER , CHRIS THOMPSON , STEVEN SCHUTT , VICTOR
HOLLAND
7. TECH
38 39 40 41 44 (45) = 202
KRIS WILLIAMS , AUGUSTEN MARTINEZ , MCKENZIE SPOTTS , ASA FLOYD , MATT
STRANE , GARTH CAMPBELL

BREBEUF EARLY BIRD 2007 BOYS 5K

Place TmPl Name Class Time Pace School
===== ==== ====================== ===== ======= =====
1 1 Eric Thaman SR 16:47 5:25 LAWRENCE NORTH
2 2 J.d. Smith JR 16:54 5:27 CARMEL
3 3 Kevin Courtney SR 16:56 5:28 CARMEL
4 4 Daniel Kinn JR 16:57 5:28 CARMEL
5 5 Scott Stanley FR 16:59 5:29 LAWRENCE NORTH
6 6 Brian Bates JR 17:04 5:31 CARMEL
7 7 Matt Farkas SO 17:07 5:32 LAWRENCE NORTH
8 8 Tom Ohlman SO 17:13 5:34 CARMEL
9 9 Daniel Porter SO 17:18 5:35 CARMEL
10 10 Zach Morris SR 17:22 5:36 CARMEL

[BHSNWeb]

First meet for Bloomington North (IN), held on the NCAA Championship Lavern Gibson Course in Terre Haute (site of NTN Midwest Regionals). Bloomington North finished 1-2-3-4, cruising as a pack with all four under 16:47, but still needs to develop a stronger 5th. Current 5th man is a senior who didn't run for 2-1/2 years, and joined the team only two weeks ago. 6th and 7th are sophomores. Results from Terre Haute 8/18:

1 Schoch, Tim Bloomington North 16:39.20
2 Buzzelli, Andrew Bloomington North 16:42.20
3 Drake, Wes Bloomington North 16:42.50
4 Hoffmann, Michael Bloomington North 16:46.60
5 Holahan, Joe Bloomington South 16:53.90
6 Callison, Michael North Daviess 17:02.30
7 Sullivan, Andrew Terre Haute South 17:10.50
27 Baglivi, David Bloomington North 18:08.50
29 Carter, Patrick Bloomington North 18:21.70
31 Hosler, Steven Bloomington North 18:26.20

Full results are at Bloomington North's website:

http://mypage.iu.edu/~hoffma/2004%20BLOOMINGTON%20NORTH%20CROSSCOUNTRY.html

[taco]

I dont see Bloomington North on the Ranking sheet. Am i missing something or can we post non ranked team results if theyre legit on here too?

[watchout]

I dont see Bloomington North on the Ranking sheet. Am i missing something or can we post non ranked team results if theyre legit on here too?

They are on there...

Boys

rank Club(School) state comment
1 Pinckney XC Club (Pinckney) MI State Div I champ and #5 MW returns 5 of 7 with 46-second spread
2 Fremont XC Club (Fremont) MI Third-place team from state Div II has top 6 back
3 Neuqua XC Club (Neuqua Valley) IL Five state scorers return led by state 3rd-placer Chris Derrick
4 Naperville XC Club (Naperville North) IL Five state scorers return with 45-second spread
5 Elmhurst XC Club (York) IL State Div I champ and #1 MW returns two stars but big gap to pack
6 Dexter XC Club (Dexter) MI State Div II champ and #2 MW has 4 of 7 back
7 Wheaton XC Club (Wheaton North) IL Six state scorers return with 60-second scoring spread
8 Medina XC Club (Medina) OH Top 6 back for state Div I 4th-place team
9 Fishers XC Club (Fishers) IN All 7 back with marquee top 2 for that that took 9th in one-race state final
10 Lafollette XC Club (LaFollette) WI Top 6 back for state Div I champs

Midwest boys bubble teams alphabetically:
Aquinas (OH), Carmel (IN), Franklin Central (IN), Hersey (IL), Milford (MI), Saline (MI), St. Charles No (IL), Stevens Point (WI), Williamston (MI), McCutcheon (IN), Bloomington No (IN).




Not sure that's so alphabetically listed though. lol


Anyways, I think that we can list a team if they are on the list or if they beat a team on the list... I'd say that is a fair rule. Or else just a really great performance from a team that will be on the list next week, but that's a bit more open to opinion

[taco]

They are on there...

Boys

rank Club(School) state comment
1 Pinckney XC Club (Pinckney) MI State Div I champ and #5 MW returns 5 of 7 with 46-second spread
2 Fremont XC Club (Fremont) MI Third-place team from state Div II has top 6 back
3 Neuqua XC Club (Neuqua Valley) IL Five state scorers return led by state 3rd-placer Chris Derrick
4 Naperville XC Club (Naperville North) IL Five state scorers return with 45-second spread
5 Elmhurst XC Club (York) IL State Div I champ and #1 MW returns two stars but big gap to pack
6 Dexter XC Club (Dexter) MI State Div II champ and #2 MW has 4 of 7 back
7 Wheaton XC Club (Wheaton North) IL Six state scorers return with 60-second scoring spread
8 Medina XC Club (Medina) OH Top 6 back for state Div I 4th-place team
9 Fishers XC Club (Fishers) IN All 7 back with marquee top 2 for that that took 9th in one-race state final
10 Lafollette XC Club (LaFollette) WI Top 6 back for state Div I champs

Midwest boys bubble teams alphabetically:
Aquinas (OH), Carmel (IN), Franklin Central (IN), Hersey (IL), Milford (MI), Saline (MI), St. Charles No (IL), Stevens Point (WI), Williamston (MI), McCutcheon (IN), Bloomington No (IN).




Not sure that's so alphabetically listed though. lol


Anyways, I think that we can list a team if they are on the list or if they beat a team on the list... I'd say that is a fair rule. Or else just a really great performance from a team that will be on the list next week, but that's a bit more open to opinion

Im sorry I didnt see the bubble teams underneath the top ten. I think the beating a team on the rankings is a fair rule.

[jonesie22]

Quite possibly Indiana's top team (though Fishers would debate it) is looking very good early. Check out results on Franklin Community. They are better than Bloomington North and Carmel and maybe Fishers at this point. Though Carmel's #1 is injured right now, Franklin really stuck it to them last night.

It was about 90 degrees at race time so take these times with a grain of salt. I am estimating about 40 seconds slow. They also lack some deoth, but put it to Carmel and a few other ranked Indiana teams.

Franklin - 44 Carmel - 62

1 1 Sean Wilson FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:16:17.2 5:16
2 2 David Eichenberger PLAINFIELD SR 0:16:22.2 5:17
3 3 Lance Nelson SOUTHPORT SO 0:16:40.5 5:23
4 4 Ricky Warren FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:16:41.3 5:23
5 5 Zach Tranter FRANKLIN COMM. JR 0:16:48.2 5:26
6 6 Jacob Campbell FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:16:48.8 5:26
7 7 Ben Serna CENTER GROVE SR 0:16:51.2 5:27
8 8 James Ricker CATHEDRAL NA 0:16:54.9 5:28
9 9 Blake Dircksen NOBLESVILLE JR 0:16:58.8 5:29
10 10 Kevin Courtney CARMEL SR 0:16:59.8 5:29
11 11 Daniel Porter CARMEL SO 0:17:00.2 5:30
12 12 Daniel Kinn CARMEL JR 0:17:02.1 5:30
13 13 J.d. Smith CARMEL JR 0:17:03.9 5:31
14 14 Jonny Duty PERRY MERIDIAN SR 0:17:04.3 5:31
15 15 Dylan Sorensen ZIONSVILLE JR 0:17:05.1 5:31
16 16 Tom Ohlman CARMEL SO 0:17:06.7 5:32
17 17 Matt Cain PIKE SR 0:17:15.4 5:34
18 18 Caleb Pack WARREN CENTRAL JR 0:17:18.1 5:35
19 19 Hale O Herren CATHEDRAL NA 0:17:20.0 5:36
20 20 Greg Bantista CENTER GROVE SR 0:17:21.1 5:36
21 21 Colin Dunlap NOBLESVILLE SR 0:17:25.4 5:38
22 22 Mark Sklorenko BISHOP CHATARD SR 0:17:30.0 5:39
23 23 Evan Raker CENTER GROVE JR 0:17:34.8 5:41
24 24 Aaron Becker NOBLESVILLE SR 0:17:35.1 5:41
25 25 Orion Wenrich WARREN CENTRAL SR 0:17:35.7 5:41
26 26 Chris Surfus AVON JR 0:17:37.5 5:42
27 27 Lance Young PERRY MERIDIAN SO 0:17:41.6 5:43
28 28 Geoff Wilkerson FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:17:46.9 5:45 29 29 David Riggleman PERRY MERIDIAN SR 0:17:49.4 5:45
30 30 Michael Jordan PIKE FR 0:17:49.8 5:46
31 31 John Krasich BREBEUF JESUIT SO 0:17:50.8 5:46
32 32 Jason Hoard BREBEUF JESUIT FR 0:17:52.3 5:46
33 33 Joe Kluemper CATHEDRAL NA 0:17:54.0 5:47
34 34 Brian Bates CARMEL JR 0:17:54.8 5:47
35 Andrew Michaud SCECINA MEMORIAL SO 0:17:58.8 5:48
36 35 Joel Mathews WARREN CENTRAL SR 0:18:00.4 5:49
37 36 Taylor Marshall LAWRENCE CENTRAL JR 0:18:04.4 5:50
38 37 Daniel Morris SOUTHPORT JR 0:18:06.1 5:51
39 38 Jimmy Schoettle PERRY MERIDIAN SR 0:18:06.9 5:51
40 39 Scott Sorensen NOBLESVILLE SR 0:18:07.4 5:51
41 40 Nathan Catt CENTER GROVE SO 0:18:07.7 5:51
42 41 Riley Mcelwain ZIONSVILLE SR 0:18:10.1 5:52
43 42 Collin Ginebaugh NOBLESVILLE FR 0:18:12.6 5:53
44 43 Kevin Mccarthy ZIONSVILLE SR 0:18:13.1 5:53
45 44 Nick Hukill FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:18:14.9 5:54
46 45 Spencer Sheridian LAWRENCE CENTRAL SR 0:18:16.0 5:54
47 46 Jackson Webber BISHOP CHATARD JR 0:18:16.6 5:54
48 47 Morgan Stehr ZIONSVILLE SR 0:18:17.4 5:54
49 48 Nilay Patel PIKE SO 0:18:19.4 5:55
50 49 Ben Lawrence LAWRENCE CENTRAL SR 0:18:21.2 5:56
51 50 Andrew Wilhelm PLAINFIELD SO 0:18:21.9 5:56
52 51 Zach Disney WARREN CENTRAL SO 0:18:25.5 5:57
53 52 Joe Meyer CENTER GROVE JR 0:18:30.1 5:59
54 53 Logan Rosenberg CARMEL JR 0:18:31.4 5:59
55 54 Shaun Doerflein WARREN CENTRAL SR 0:18:35.3 6:00
56 55 Joey Schmitt AVON JR 0:18:38.0 6:01
57 56 Dano Mattingly ZIONSVILLE SR 0:18:39.9 6:02
58 57 David Camp SOUTHPORT SO 0:18:40.3 6:02
59 58 Micah Aldrich WARREN CENTRAL SR 0:18:40.9 6:02
60 59 Michael Gearhart SOUTHPORT JR 0:18:42.4 6:03
61 60 Timothy Jensen ZIONSVILLE SR 0:18:44.1 6:03
62 61 David Mckinney AVON JR 0:18:44.9 6:03
63 62 Zach Stevenson FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:18:46.3 6:04
64 63 Tyler Dennis PIKE JR 0:18:49.8 6:05
65 64 Ryan Griesenauer AVON SO 0:18:50.5 6:05
66 65 Cory Kirkham ZIONSVILLE JR 0:18:52.4 6:06
67 66 Cody Marowski NOBLESVILLE SO 0:18:53.2 6:06
68 67 Nick Phipps DANVILLE JR 0:18:54.8 6:07
69 68 Cy Bennett CATHEDRAL NA 0:18:56.3 6:07
70 69 Michael Radlick CATHEDRAL NA 0:18:59.0 6:08
71 70 Ryan Ferguson NOBLESVILLE FR 0:19:01.7 6:09
72 71 Patrick Miller SOUTHPORT SR 0:19:05.0 6:10
73 72 Ryan Daugherty WARREN CENTRAL JR 0:19:08.6 6:11
74 73 Steven Stiener AVON SR 0:19:09.2 6:11
75 74 Cory Constantine CATHEDRAL NA 0:19:10.0 6:11
76 Louis Ganser GUERIN CATHOLIC NA 0:19:10.9 6:12
77 75 Evan Land CENTER GROVE JR 0:19:12.4 6:12
78 76 Alex Kain PLAINFIELD SR 0:19:13.3 6:13
79 77 Jake Shields LAWRENCE CENTRAL SR 0:19:21.0 6:15
80 78 Brad Griesenauer AVON SR 0:19:22.4 6:15
81 79 Jeff Sterrett CATHEDRAL NA 0:19:24.6 6:16
82 80 Zach Baughman LAWRENCE CENTRAL JR 0:19:25.8 6:17
83 81 Andy Brun BREBEUF JESUIT JR 0:19:26.7 6:17
84 82 Andrew Schaeffer PIKE SO 0:19:27.7 6:17
85 83 Andrew Kinman CENTER GROVE SR 0:19:28.7 6:17
86 84 Connor Claflin LAWRENCE CENTRAL FR 0:19:29.4 6:18
87 85 Eric Bryant AVON JR 0:19:34.7 6:19
88 86 Patrick Patterson PLAINFIELD SO 0:19:35.0 6:20
89 87 Grant Collicott PLAINFIELD SO 0:19:37.1 6:20
90 88 Billy Remeika PERRY MERIDIAN SR 0:19:37.4 6:20
91 89 Nick Gary LAWRENCE CENTRAL SR 0:19:45.6 6:23
92 90 Tyler Hoffman BREBEUF JESUIT SO 0:19:51.8 6:25
93 91 Andrew Wilkey PIKE FR 0:19:58.7 6:27
94 92 Michael Banning PLAINFIELD SO 0:20:03.8 6:29
95 93 Joel Peterson PERRY MERIDIAN SO 0:20:07.9 6:30
96 94 Will O'bryan BISHOP CHATARD SR 0:20:11.2 6:31
97 95 Tim Mosier SOUTHPORT SO 0:20:11.9 6:31
98 96 Cory Rago BISHOP CHATARD SR 0:20:14.7 6:32
99 Alex Elston GUERIN CATHOLIC NA 0:20:16.2 6:33
100 97 Mohsin Mukhtar PLAINFIELD JR 0:20:17.6 6:33

[jonesie22]

McCutcheon (IN)

Results of Fountain Central Invitational, 8-18-07

1. McCutcheon 20
2. W. Lafayette 50
3. Perry Meridian 58
4. Western 101
5. Harrison 158
6. S. Vermillion 180
7. N. Vermillion 192
8. Attica 260
9. W. Boone 270
10. Riverton Parke 275
11. Covington --
12. Fountain Central --
13. Rockville --
14. Seeger --

1. Hodgen, McC, 16:32.27 New Course Record!
2. Jiminez-Curredor, WL, 16:32.69
3. Russell, McC, 16:54
4. Cardwell, McC, 16:55
5. Stewart, McC, 16:57
6. Siegmund, WL, 17:00
7. Escalera, McC, 17:06
8. Duty, PM, 17:09
9. Young, PM, 17:18
10. Rigglema, PM, 17:20
11. Poulsen, WL, 17:33
12. Martinez, Wes, 17:35
13. Daluga, WL, 17:43
14. Scott, Wes, 17:46
15. Eakle, PM, 17:54

[bbop08]

Quite possibly Indiana's top team (though Fishers would debate it) is looking very good early. Check out results on Franklin Community. They are better than Bloomington North and Carmel and maybe Fishers at this point. Though Carmel's #1 is injured right now, Franklin really stuck it to them last night.

It was about 90 degrees at race time so take these times with a grain of salt. I am estimating about 40 seconds slow. They also lack some deoth, but put it to Carmel and a few other ranked Indiana teams.

Franklin - 44 Carmel - 62

1 1 Sean Wilson FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:16:17.2 5:16
2 2 David Eichenberger PLAINFIELD SR 0:16:22.2 5:17
3 3 Lance Nelson SOUTHPORT SO 0:16:40.5 5:23
4 4 Ricky Warren FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:16:41.3 5:23
5 5 Zach Tranter FRANKLIN COMM. JR 0:16:48.2 5:26
6 6 Jacob Campbell FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:16:48.8 5:26
7 7 Ben Serna CENTER GROVE SR 0:16:51.2 5:27
8 8 James Ricker CATHEDRAL NA 0:16:54.9 5:28
9 9 Blake Dircksen NOBLESVILLE JR 0:16:58.8 5:29
10 10 Kevin Courtney CARMEL SR 0:16:59.8 5:29
11 11 Daniel Porter CARMEL SO 0:17:00.2 5:30
12 12 Daniel Kinn CARMEL JR 0:17:02.1 5:30
13 13 J.d. Smith CARMEL JR 0:17:03.9 5:31
14 14 Jonny Duty PERRY MERIDIAN SR 0:17:04.3 5:31
15 15 Dylan Sorensen ZIONSVILLE JR 0:17:05.1 5:31
16 16 Tom Ohlman CARMEL SO 0:17:06.7 5:32
17 17 Matt Cain PIKE SR 0:17:15.4 5:34
18 18 Caleb Pack WARREN CENTRAL JR 0:17:18.1 5:35
19 19 Hale O Herren CATHEDRAL NA 0:17:20.0 5:36
20 20 Greg Bantista CENTER GROVE SR 0:17:21.1 5:36
21 21 Colin Dunlap NOBLESVILLE SR 0:17:25.4 5:38
22 22 Mark Sklorenko BISHOP CHATARD SR 0:17:30.0 5:39
23 23 Evan Raker CENTER GROVE JR 0:17:34.8 5:41
24 24 Aaron Becker NOBLESVILLE SR 0:17:35.1 5:41
25 25 Orion Wenrich WARREN CENTRAL SR 0:17:35.7 5:41
26 26 Chris Surfus AVON JR 0:17:37.5 5:42
27 27 Lance Young PERRY MERIDIAN SO 0:17:41.6 5:43
28 28 Geoff Wilkerson FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:17:46.9 5:45 29 29 David Riggleman PERRY MERIDIAN SR 0:17:49.4 5:45
30 30 Michael Jordan PIKE FR 0:17:49.8 5:46
31 31 John Krasich BREBEUF JESUIT SO 0:17:50.8 5:46
32 32 Jason Hoard BREBEUF JESUIT FR 0:17:52.3 5:46
33 33 Joe Kluemper CATHEDRAL NA 0:17:54.0 5:47
34 34 Brian Bates CARMEL JR 0:17:54.8 5:47
35 Andrew Michaud SCECINA MEMORIAL SO 0:17:58.8 5:48
36 35 Joel Mathews WARREN CENTRAL SR 0:18:00.4 5:49
37 36 Taylor Marshall LAWRENCE CENTRAL JR 0:18:04.4 5:50
38 37 Daniel Morris SOUTHPORT JR 0:18:06.1 5:51
39 38 Jimmy Schoettle PERRY MERIDIAN SR 0:18:06.9 5:51
40 39 Scott Sorensen NOBLESVILLE SR 0:18:07.4 5:51
41 40 Nathan Catt CENTER GROVE SO 0:18:07.7 5:51
42 41 Riley Mcelwain ZIONSVILLE SR 0:18:10.1 5:52
43 42 Collin Ginebaugh NOBLESVILLE FR 0:18:12.6 5:53
44 43 Kevin Mccarthy ZIONSVILLE SR 0:18:13.1 5:53
45 44 Nick Hukill FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:18:14.9 5:54
46 45 Spencer Sheridian LAWRENCE CENTRAL SR 0:18:16.0 5:54
47 46 Jackson Webber BISHOP CHATARD JR 0:18:16.6 5:54
48 47 Morgan Stehr ZIONSVILLE SR 0:18:17.4 5:54
49 48 Nilay Patel PIKE SO 0:18:19.4 5:55
50 49 Ben Lawrence LAWRENCE CENTRAL SR 0:18:21.2 5:56
51 50 Andrew Wilhelm PLAINFIELD SO 0:18:21.9 5:56
52 51 Zach Disney WARREN CENTRAL SO 0:18:25.5 5:57
53 52 Joe Meyer CENTER GROVE JR 0:18:30.1 5:59
54 53 Logan Rosenberg CARMEL JR 0:18:31.4 5:59
55 54 Shaun Doerflein WARREN CENTRAL SR 0:18:35.3 6:00
56 55 Joey Schmitt AVON JR 0:18:38.0 6:01
57 56 Dano Mattingly ZIONSVILLE SR 0:18:39.9 6:02
58 57 David Camp SOUTHPORT SO 0:18:40.3 6:02
59 58 Micah Aldrich WARREN CENTRAL SR 0:18:40.9 6:02
60 59 Michael Gearhart SOUTHPORT JR 0:18:42.4 6:03
61 60 Timothy Jensen ZIONSVILLE SR 0:18:44.1 6:03
62 61 David Mckinney AVON JR 0:18:44.9 6:03
63 62 Zach Stevenson FRANKLIN COMM. SR 0:18:46.3 6:04
64 63 Tyler Dennis PIKE JR 0:18:49.8 6:05
65 64 Ryan Griesenauer AVON SO 0:18:50.5 6:05
66 65 Cory Kirkham ZIONSVILLE JR 0:18:52.4 6:06
67 66 Cody Marowski NOBLESVILLE SO 0:18:53.2 6:06
68 67 Nick Phipps DANVILLE JR 0:18:54.8 6:07
69 68 Cy Bennett CATHEDRAL NA 0:18:56.3 6:07
70 69 Michael Radlick CATHEDRAL NA 0:18:59.0 6:08
71 70 Ryan Ferguson NOBLESVILLE FR 0:19:01.7 6:09
72 71 Patrick Miller SOUTHPORT SR 0:19:05.0 6:10
73 72 Ryan Daugherty WARREN CENTRAL JR 0:19:08.6 6:11
74 73 Steven Stiener AVON SR 0:19:09.2 6:11
75 74 Cory Constantine CATHEDRAL NA 0:19:10.0 6:11
76 Louis Ganser GUERIN CATHOLIC NA 0:19:10.9 6:12
77 75 Evan Land CENTER GROVE JR 0:19:12.4 6:12
78 76 Alex Kain PLAINFIELD SR 0:19:13.3 6:13
79 77 Jake Shields LAWRENCE CENTRAL SR 0:19:21.0 6:15
80 78 Brad Griesenauer AVON SR 0:19:22.4 6:15
81 79 Jeff Sterrett CATHEDRAL NA 0:19:24.6 6:16
82 80 Zach Baughman LAWRENCE CENTRAL JR 0:19:25.8 6:17
83 81 Andy Brun BREBEUF JESUIT JR 0:19:26.7 6:17
84 82 Andrew Schaeffer PIKE SO 0:19:27.7 6:17
85 83 Andrew Kinman CENTER GROVE SR 0:19:28.7 6:17
86 84 Connor Claflin LAWRENCE CENTRAL FR 0:19:29.4 6:18
87 85 Eric Bryant AVON JR 0:19:34.7 6:19
88 86 Patrick Patterson PLAINFIELD SO 0:19:35.0 6:20
89 87 Grant Collicott PLAINFIELD SO 0:19:37.1 6:20
90 88 Billy Remeika PERRY MERIDIAN SR 0:19:37.4 6:20
91 89 Nick Gary LAWRENCE CENTRAL SR 0:19:45.6 6:23
92 90 Tyler Hoffman BREBEUF JESUIT SO 0:19:51.8 6:25
93 91 Andrew Wilkey PIKE FR 0:19:58.7 6:27
94 92 Michael Banning PLAINFIELD SO 0:20:03.8 6:29
95 93 Joel Peterson PERRY MERIDIAN SO 0:20:07.9 6:30
96 94 Will O'bryan BISHOP CHATARD SR 0:20:11.2 6:31
97 95 Tim Mosier SOUTHPORT SO 0:20:11.9 6:31
98 96 Cory Rago BISHOP CHATARD SR 0:20:14.7 6:32
99 Alex Elston GUERIN CATHOLIC NA 0:20:16.2 6:33
100 97 Mohsin Mukhtar PLAINFIELD JR 0:20:17.6 6:33

Did they have somebody sit out? How can you be the top Indiana team with a 5th runner like that? Besides just because it's 90 degrees out doesn't mean the times are going to be 40 seconds slow. Maybe a few seconds at that.

[watchout]

Did they have somebody sit out? How can you be the top Indiana team with a 5th runner like that? Besides just because it's 90 degrees out doesn't mean the times are going to be 40 seconds slow. Maybe a few seconds at that.

Even with their #5 that far back, that is still a quality team. With 4 guys that far up front, they can do some real damage at meets. I would say that they are a threat for a US Top-30 ranking.

And, in my estimation, the course was probably ~50 seconds slower than a fast 5k... about 30 seconds slower than most state meet courses.

EDIT: For comparisons sake... about 1:40 slower than Detweiller.

[taco]

Maybe itd be better not to say how slow the course might have been but just give the conditions and let people judge. Like just say it was 90 and sunny or it was pouring rain and the course was a quagmire.

[watchout]

Maybe itd be better not to say how slow the course might have been but just give the conditions and let people judge. Like just say it was 90 and sunny or it was pouring rain and the course was a quagmire.

90 degrees and sunny on a hilly/curvy course is not going to resemble 90 degrees and sunny on a flat/straight course. They won't run near the same speeds.

[runningbaboon]

Brebeuf is not that hilly and windy. It is not a grass track by any means, but Turner ran 15:35 winning by a lot last year, and it was over 80 degrees at the time. Andrew Poore, a 9:06 guy and 15th in xc last year, ran 15:24 winning by a ton as well in a regional race. In the middle of the results this year, the times are approximately 15-20 seconds slower than last year's results, and this year's teams are worse than last year's as well. Warren Central is a lot worse. Center Grove ran worse. Zionsville lost a lot, as did Plainfield.

[watchout]

Brebeuf is not that hilly and windy. It is not a grass track by any means, but Turner ran 15:35 winning by a lot last year, and it was over 80 degrees at the time. Andrew Poore, a 9:06 guy and 15th in xc last year, ran 15:24 winning by a ton as well in a regional race. In the middle of the results this year, the times are approximately 15-20 seconds slower than last year's results, and this year's teams are worse than last year's as well. Warren Central is a lot worse. Center Grove ran worse. Zionsville lost a lot, as did Plainfield.

if Turner ran ~15:35 at this time last year, that's probably about a course correction of about 15 seconds. Add on 15-20 seconds as you say, would be a correction of about 30-35 seconds. If that were to be the estimate, then it would be ~90-95 seconds slower than Detweiller (1:30-1:35).

That's still a very solid front-4. That would put them, right now, at around 14:45-15:09-15:16-15:16 ... basically in pre-season. No one in their right mind would argue that that is a bad front-4, capable of doing VERY well in big meets by the end of the season. Their #5 around 16:14 at Detweiller right now wouldn't be too great, either... but the front-4 still gives them respect.



In comparison ...

This is what it would have been like with those estimates at Peoria Woodruff, the earliest Peoria invite last year.

2.5 Wilson 14:45
5.5 Warren 15:09
8.5 Tranter 15:16
8.5 Campbell 15:16
69.5 Wilkerson 16:14

Team score: 94.5


Top teams at Woodruff:

Neuqua Valley: 96
3 Derrick 14:49
5 Riddle 15:02
23 Pawola 15:37
29 Budnik 15:40
36 Ruff 15:47

St. Charles North: 122
6 Speare 15:10
7 DeSilva 15:12
19 Barker 15:34
28 Johnson 15:39
62 Clink 16:05



So, they would have beaten two of the best Illinois teams last year. Even with their #5 being so far behind.

I think it's ok if they are thought of as a quality team this year. ;) Even tacking on 10 seconds to all their times they would still be a quality team, despite their #5 so far back.

[bbop08]

Even with their #5 that far back, that is still a quality team. With 4 guys that far up front, they can do some real damage at meets. I would say that they are a threat for a US Top-30 ranking

That's cool. I guess I just don't understand why Wisconsin is always seen as the weak state then considering :rolleyes:

[jonesie22]

I estimated 40 seconds slow because of the times that I know guys are capable of running this early in the season. Franklin Community came through a murderous Indiana regional last year and failed to qualify for the semi-state. Tranter was hurt last fall and was a 9:30 guys at 3200 meters this spring. Wilson is a 4:12 miler. That is why they were not on anyone's radar screen.

Fishers and Carmel go head to head this Tuesday in the Hamilton County Meet and then I believe that those two along with Bloomington North and others race next Saturday in Terre Haute.

But we Indiana guys have NO clue what we are talking about....

[jonesie22]

Maybe itd be better not to say how slow the course might have been but just give the conditions and let people judge. Like just say it was 90 and sunny or it was pouring rain and the course was a quagmire.

Because if I did so, than everyone would have told me what a waste of time it was to post those results as Franklin Community's fifth man was above 17:40. No one seems to give Indiana credit anyway so the post would have been written off.

Right now Fishers and Franklin Community are light years ahead of Carmel, Bloomington North, and McCutcheon.

[bbop08]

Because if I did so, than everyone would have told me what a waste of time it was to post those results as Franklin Community's fifth man was above 17:40. No one seems to give Indiana credit anyway so the post would have been written off.

Right now Fishers and Franklin Community are light years ahead of Carmel, Bloomington North, and McCutcheon.

I still can't comprehend 90 degrees making the course that slow. Either way, there was still controversy when you posted how the course was slow since it doesn't seem convincing :) Nobody gives Indiana credit :rolleyes: If Franklin is the top team than, yes, from those results there are at least a few Wisconsin teams (let alone Illinois teams) that could destroy them. The top 4 isn't even eye popping. But it is still obviously very early.

[TheFireman]

I still can't comprehend 90 degrees making the course that slow. Either way, there was still controversy when you posted how the course was slow since it doesn't seem convincing :) Nobody gives Indiana credit :rolleyes: If Franklin is the top team than, yes, from those results there are at least a few Wisconsin teams (let alone Illinois teams) that could destroy them. The top 4 isn't even eye popping. But it is still obviously very early.

dude Wisconsin sucks and everybody knows that..... plus 90 degress in Indiana is like 110 with the heat index and humidity at like 300%

[jonesie22]

I am humble enough to admit that Indiana is down this year in terms of depth. The last couple of years have been good for Indiana XC and at the top there are just not as many teams with a legitimate shot.

Fishers and Franklin are the only teams in Indiana that deserve recognition in the midwest rankings right now. Fishers has yet to run a 5k.

[JMegs13]

dude Wisconsin sucks and everybody knows that..... plus 90 degress in Indiana is like 110 with the heat index and humidity at like 300%
Unnecessary. We will see what happens at the first NTN Regionals this year, if Wisco teams are allowed to go. No need to say that we suck. Just last spring the state put 14 teams under 8:00 in the 4x8. From what I could find, that's the exact same number that Indiana had under 8:00. And that's with Indiana having over 750,000 more people living in it than Wisconsin has.

Oh and Wisconsinites know humidity, too. It is the same general geographic region. I'm sure people from IL, MI, and OH all know about humidity as well. It's something you run through, not complain about on a message board. Although I will agree with you that it's a bit silly to compare times on XC courses for various reasons.

[watchout]

That's cool. I guess I just don't understand why Wisconsin is always seen as the weak state then considering :rolleyes:

Well... you DO realize that plugging in those times directly (no conversion, even though this course is seemingly slower) into the WI state meet, they would have scored only 150 points ... and again, THIS IS IN PRE-SEASON ... so basically by the end of this year, it's very likely that they will be as good as last year's WI State D-1 champ. And that's without accounting for the difficulty of the course.


These times aren't bad. #1-4 are very good for this early in the season.

I still can't comprehend 90 degrees making the course that slow. Either way, there was still controversy when you posted how the course was slow since it doesn't seem convincing :) Nobody gives Indiana credit :rolleyes: If Franklin is the top team than, yes, from those results there are at least a few Wisconsin teams (let alone Illinois teams) that could destroy them. The top 4 isn't even eye popping. But it is still obviously very early.

if by destroy, you mean "MIGHT beat them", and if by "a few" you mean one or two, then sure.

[huskies]

Two of NN Top 7 may be out for prolonged time - see who runs at dual with WV on Tuesday

[watchout]

Two of NN Top 7 may be out for prolonged time - see who runs at dual with WV on Tuesday

their extreme depth will come in handy, then. hope it's nothing too serious.

[taco]

I dont know the times or anything but Unranked ohio team Toledo St Johns beat # 8 Medina and bubble team milford

[watchout]

I dont know the times or anything but Unranked ohio team Toledo St Johns beat # 8 Medina and bubble team milford

from jjhuddle ...


1. Toledo St. John's 36
2. Medina 47
3. Milford (MI) 82
4. Cleveland St. Ignatius 95
5. Hilliard Davidson 106 (#1 runner did not run)
6. Cincinnati St. Xavier 112 (did not run 3 or 4 of top 7)

1. Miller SJ 16:03
2. Thaler X 16:17
3. Yarnell SJ 16:26
4. Maynard Med 16:34
5. Madaras SJ 16:39
6. Dewitt Iggy 16:40
7. Roys Med 16:45
8. Wagner SJ 16:48
9. Arthur Med 16:49
10. Shimizu HD 16:56
11. Fueling Mil 17:00
12. Fueling Mil 17:07
13. Boyert Med 17:12
14. Heaton Med 17:14
15. Feigley Mil 17:19
16. Grannar X 17:20
17. Stefancin Iggy 17:20
18. Whitmore Iggy 17:21
19. Turissini SJ 17:25
20. Huff Mil 17:27
21. Moore HD 17:28
22. Shimizu HD 17:29
23. Rankin Med 17:29
24. Burt Mil 17:30
25. Rial Iggy 17:31
26. Boyd HD 17:31
27. Brown HD 17:35
28. Senefeld X 17:35
29. Baiko Iggy 17:36
30. Troph Iggy 17:36
31. Corooian X 17:37
32. Walters Med 17:41
33. Lucchesi Iggy 17:42
34. Winters HD 17:46
35. Best X 17:47

52 runners in the race.







Great run by SJJ, and I didn't expect much out of Milford... not so good of a run for Roys.

EDIT: by the looks of this, SJJ should be better than last year. Medina still looks alright... they didn't have their projected #5 Fallow, but Boyert was a nice surprise.

Story on SJJ's newfound runner in Yarnell: "Yarnell is a transfer from Anthony Wayne"

[JMegs13]

Stevens Point (WI) Intrasquad:
Pliska 15:42 (16:01 last year)
Hatton 15:48 (16:41)
King 15:55 (16:06)
Zdroik 16:07 (16:07)
Cal 16:22 (16:53)
Senefeld 16:27 (16:19)
Przybelski 16:31 (16:58)

[watchout]

Stevens Point (WI) Intrasquad:
Pliska 15:42 (16:01 last year)
Hatton 15:48 (16:41)
King 15:55 (16:06)
Zdroik 16:07 (16:07)
Cal 16:22 (16:53)
Senefeld 16:27 (16:19)
Przybelski 16:31 (16:58)

huge improvement for Hatton ... not so much most the others.

[bbop08]

Well... you DO realize that plugging in those times directly (no conversion, even though this course is seemingly slower) into the WI state meet, they would have scored only 150 points ... and again, THIS IS IN PRE-SEASON ... so basically by the end of this year, it's very likely that they will be as good as last year's WI State D-1 champ. And that's without accounting for the difficulty of the course.


These times aren't bad. #1-4 are very good for this early in the season.



if by destroy, you mean "MIGHT beat them", and if by "a few" you mean one or two, then sure.

The difficulty of the course or the conditions, etc. is arbituary to what I was trying to point out. Youre missing the point. Yes, comparing courses in XC is usually impossible since there are so many underlying factors. Especially courses between states. I was looking at within the course. Although 17:4x just looks slow anywhere, the distance the 5th runner was from their 4th runner is far too great. This doesn't seem like a State Meet type invite and there were 22 places from the 4th to the 5th and about a minute time. That's a lot. There 2,3,4 were packed tight but were 20+ seconds off #1. They could be running 15:00 but there still would be that many places in between the runners and place is what matters since that is what is scored. That's all I'm saying. Also, I don't know anything about Indiana but it's not like the 2,3,4 are all-state type runners? Maybe #1? I don't know though but on top of that I doubt that course would be harder than Ridges. You make it sound like Ridges is a downhill jump :rolleyes: They wouldn't have scored 150 points if you put the pre-season team into the State meet. And yes the definition for few is not many but more than one so I did mean about two, maybe three. However it's still very early obviously which I said before.

dude Wisconsin sucks and everybody knows that..... plus 90 degress in Indiana is like 110 with the heat index and humidity at like 300%

I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not serious at the moment :rolleyes:

[watchout]

The difficulty of the course or the conditions, etc. is arbituary to what I was trying to point out. Youre missing the point. Yes, comparing courses in XC is usually impossible since there are so many underlying factors. Especially courses between states. I was looking at within the course. Although 17:4x just looks slow anywhere, the distance the 5th runner was from their 4th runner is far too great. This doesn't seem like a State Meet type invite and there were 22 places from the 4th to the 5th and about a minute time. That's a lot. There 2,3,4 were packed tight but were 20+ seconds off #1. They could be running 15:00 but there still would be that many places in between the runners and place is what matters since that is what is scored. That's all I'm saying. Also, I don't know anything about Indiana but it's not like the 2,3,4 are all-state type runners? Maybe #1? I don't know though but on top of that I doubt that course would be harder than Ridges. You make it sound like Ridges is a downhill jump :rolleyes: They wouldn't have scored 150 points if you put the pre-season team into the State meet. And yes the definition for few is not many but more than one so I did mean about two, maybe three. However it's still very early obviously which I said before.


I already showed you how if they have 4 THAT far up there, they would be OK in most state meets... what else do you need?

They need to develop their #5 further if they want to contend, of course that's a given ... but I was just showing how with a top-4 THAT good, they can still do pretty good. St. John Jesuit almost knocked off LaSalle at the Ohio state meet with just 3 good runners. Imagine what would have happened if they had a 4th.


As for how good these runners are... Wilson finished 42nd last year, and is the 15th returner overall, and likely a top-5 scoring runner.

I never said that Ridges was an easy course, either. We can compare notes when these teams all meet up at the NTN Regional, but WI's state meet is only modestly difficult in the grand scheme of things. It's not an impossibly slow course. It's only 10-15 seconds slower than the majority of 5k courses.


EDIT: Another way to look at it makes this is even simpler. (Don't take offense, this is just an easy comparison)

Wilson ~ Hackett (Port Washington).

I'm assuming Port Washington is one of the teams you think would be able to smoke this Indiana team?

both ran 4:12-4:15 for 1600m and 9:20-9:22 for 3200m this spring. Both had comparable marks in cross country last fall.

So, with that assumption in place... how would Port Washington stack up to this team? Have we seen any results from them yet?

This is how I had estimated Port Washington...

Hackett
Allen -60 seconds
Zauner -65 seconds
Ross -75 seconds
Jones -100 seconds

Compared to Franklin Central's results...

Wilson
Warren -25 seconds
Tranter -30 seconds
Campbell -30 seconds
Wilkerson -90 seconds



In a matchup, it would be like this:

PW/FC
FC
FC
FC
PW
PW
PW
FC
PW


Or, in a visual diagram...

(FC on top, PW on bottom, each . = 1 second, each x = 1 runner, each o = 2 runners)

x........................x....o................... ........................................x
x................................................. ..........x....x.........x........................ x


FC would win that matchup. Despite their #5 being so far away from the rest of their pack.

[bbop08]

I already showed you how if they have 4 THAT far up there, they would be OK in most state meets... what else do you need?

They need to develop their #5 further if they want to contend, of course that's a given ... but I was just showing how with a top-4 THAT good, they can still do pretty good. St. John Jesuit almost knocked off LaSalle at the Ohio state meet with just 3 good runners. Imagine what would have happened if they had a 4th.


As for how good these runners are... Wilson finished 42nd last year, and is the 15th returner overall, and likely a top-5 scoring runner.

I never said that Ridges was an easy course, either. We can compare notes when these teams all meet up at the NTN Regional, but WI's state meet is only modestly difficult in the grand scheme of things. It's not an impossibly slow course. It's only 10-15 seconds slower than the majority of 5k courses.


EDIT: Another way to look at it makes this is even simpler. (Don't take offense, this is just an easy comparison)

Wilson ~ Hackett (Port Washington).

I'm assuming Port Washington is one of the teams you think would be able to smoke this Indiana team?

both ran 4:12-4:15 for 1600m and 9:20-9:22 for 3200m this spring. Both had comparable marks in cross country last fall.

So, with that assumption in place... how would Port Washington stack up to this team? Have we seen any results from them yet?

This is how I had estimated Port Washington...

Hackett
Allen -60 seconds
Zauner -65 seconds
Ross -75 seconds
Jones -100 seconds

Compared to Franklin Central's results...

Wilson
Warren -25 seconds
Tranter -30 seconds
Campbell -30 seconds
Wilkerson -90 seconds



In a matchup, it would be like this:

PW/FC
FC
FC
FC
PW
PW
PW
FC
PW


Or, in a visual diagram...

(FC on top, PW on bottom, each . = 1 second, each x = 1 runner, each o = 2 runners)

x........................x....o................... ........................................x
x................................................. ..........x....x.........x........................ x


FC would win that matchup. Despite their #5 being so far away from the rest of their pack.

No, I agree that Ridges isn't incredibly slow, it's just no a putz course either. I wasn't really think of Port necessarily nor too many Wisco teams in particular I just figured a couple. There hasn't been a race for Port yet but I don't think there is going to be a 60 second gap from their 1st to their 2nd though. Not even close to that much actually but who knows.

[watchout]

No, I agree that Ridges isn't incredibly slow, it's just no a putz course either. I wasn't really think of Port necessarily nor too many Wisco teams in particular I just figured a couple. There hasn't been a race for Port yet but I don't think there is going to be a 60 second gap from their 1st to their 2nd though. Not even close to that much actually but who knows.

Actually you are right, that was rushed (I was headed out the door already) ... should be 45 seconds back, not 60.

But the point remains.. FC could have 4 in before PW's #2, and their #5 would beat their #5. And there aren't really any WI teams WAYY better than PW. Marquette and Madison LaFollette are probably the only ones ahead of them, unless Stevens Point is barely ahead. But PW was the easiest to compare, since the #1's were about the same.

[JMegs13]

Actually you are right, that was rushed (I was headed out the door already) ... should be 45 seconds back, not 60.
From what I understand based on talking to the Port guys, their #2 (Mark Allen) has had an incredible summer and has really closed the gap on Hackett. They also got a transfer that ran an 8K with Zauner this summer, so it will be interesting to see what they can do.

If Hackett/Wilson are equal, and the meet is big enough, Port would beat Franklin Central IMO. But we'll see next week I suppose. They go head-to-head with LaFollette right off the bat.

[watchout]

another big Indiana meet was Rushville.

RUSHVILLE XC INVITE
AUGUST 25, 2007
*********** TEAM SCORE **********
Division 1 - Boys

1. COLUMBUS NORTH
2 7 10 11 18 (19) (27) = 48
2. BLOOMINGTON NORTH
1 3 5 9 31 (48) (49) = 49
3. CATHEDRAL HIGH SCHOOL
4 6 13 29 38 (44) (50) = 90


1 1 45 Tim Schoch SR Bloomington North 16:10
2 2 132 John Pence SR Columbus North 16:25
3 3 34 Andrew Buzzelli JR Bloomington North 16:27
5 5 38 Michael Hoffmann SR Bloomington North 16:29
7 7 124 Zach Gates JR Columbus North 16:47
9 9 37 Wes Drake SR Bloomington North 16:53
10 10 135 Evan Scruton SO Columbus North 16:57
11 11 130 Gabe Ocasio FR Columbus North 17:24
18 18 120 Corbin Brooks SO Columbus North 17:43
19 19 137 Chad Stott SR Columbus North 17:46
27 27 133 Matt Ryan SR Columbus North 18:09
31 31 35 Patrick Carter SO Bloomington North 18:18




I had Columbus North as MW#19 (not counting MI teams), and Bloomington North on the watch list (because I only had info on 4 guys).

[togorun]

Benzie Invite
This is usually a fast course but all of the rain the past two weeks probbably made it soft.

Midwest #1 Pinckney - 38 Points
1 -Hankins 15:51
3 - Katsefaras 16:02
7 - Wines 16:23
13 - Hohl 16:48
14 - Brunner 16:50
44 - Pryzbala 17:54
56 Lahner 18:33

Williamston - 54 Points
2 - Lutzke15:53
4 - Nix 16:09
10 - Person 16:43
11 - Barczak 16:46
27 - Risch - 17:16
52 - Robitaille 18:16
53 - Theis 18:19

[imPERSONater]

It is interesting to see that Williamston had their four in before Pinckney did, but the difference was all in the fifth man. Having that consistent spread of guys really showed how they are ranked so high in the rankings.

[jonesie22]

Just to clairfy, Franklin Community and Franklin Central are different schools. I only post this because watchout is using the abbreviation "FC" for Franklin Community.

Franklin Central was Indiana's #2 team last year and was ranked in the midwest all season long and I wanted to avoid confusion as Franklin Community is an entirely different school.

Anyways, Fishers, Franklin, Carmel, Bloomington North and a few other top Indiana teams are going at it this Saturday IN Terre Haute ON the regional course.

Should be fun.

[jonesie22]

Fishers obliterated Carmel and others last night at the Hamilton County Meet. They are a notch ahead of Franklin (previously mentioned) as Indiana's #1 right now.

Fairly fast course that was rough in some spots from the rain and the racing that took place on it the previous Saturday. About 90 degrees at race time.

1 1 Drew Shields FISHERS JR 0:16:08.8 5:13
2 2 Cale Allen FISHERS SR 0:16:09.3 5:13
3 3 Blake Dircksen NOBLESVILLE JR 0:16:12.4 5:14
4 4 Tyler Stegman FISHERS SR 0:16:26.2 5:19
5 5 Nate Piggush FISHERS SR 0:16:31.2 5:20
6 6 Zack Gates HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN SR 0:16:33.2 5:21
7 7 Kevin Courtney CARMEL SR 0:16:40.0 5:23
8 8 Evan Hitchcock HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN JR 0:16:40.8 5:23
9 9 Colby Shiver WESTFIELD NA 0:16:46.3 5:25
10 10 Colin Dunlap NOBLESVILLE SR 0:16:47.4 5:25
11 11 Daniel Kinn CARMEL JR 0:16:48.5 5:26
12 12 Alex Shields FISHERS JR 0:16:51.1 5:27
13 13 Daniel Porter CARMEL SO 0:16:52.1 5:27
14 14 Omavi Caesar FISHERS SO 0:16:54.7 5:28
15 15 J.d. Smith CARMEL JR 0:16:57.0 5:29
16 16 Tom Ohlman CARMEL SO 0:16:57.8 5:29
17 17 Dustin Neff WESTFIELD NA 0:17:04.6 5:31
18 18 Brian Bates CARMEL JR 0:17:11.0 5:33
19 19 Scott Sorensen NOBLESVILLE SR 0:17:12.1 5:33
20 20 Aaron Becker NOBLESVILLE SR 0:17:14.2 5:34
21 21 Connor Martin WESTFIELD NA 0:17:15.4 5:34
22 22 Cody Marowski NOBLESVILLE SO 0:17:19.7 5:36
23 23 Josh Millares FISHERS FR 0:17:32.5 5:40
24 24 Zach Cherry HAMILTON HEIGHTS JR 0:17:43.6 5:44
25 25 Ross Roberson HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN JR 0:17:50.1 5:46
26 26 Martin Garrison HAMILTON HEIGHTS JR 0:17:53.0 5:47
27 27 Collin Ginebaugh NOBLESVILLE FR 0:17:54.1 5:47
28 28 Wil Kinsey WESTFIELD NA 0:18:00.1 5:49
29 29 Scott Spillman HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN JR 0:18:01.2 5:49
30 30 Louis Ganser GUERIN CATHOLIC NA 0:18:06.5 5:51
31 31 Shay Mcdowell WESTFIELD NA 0:18:09.8 5:52
32 32 Ethan Fry WESTFIELD NA 0:18:20.2 5:55
33 33 Jake Waterman NOBLESVILLE FR 0:18:27.3 5:58
34 Eddie Stage UNIVERSITY SR 0:18:28.0 5:58
35 34 Jake Clark WESTFIELD NA 0:18:37.0 6:01
36 35 Logan Rosenberg CARMEL JR 0:18:38.1 6:01
37 Cullen Webster UNIVERSITY SR 0:18:39.0 6:01
38 36 Mark Babbey GUERIN CATHOLIC NA 0:18:41.7 6:02
39 37 Joe Ebling HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN FR 0:19:05.7 6:10
40 38 Levi Rednour HAMILTON HEIGHTS JR 0:19:15.5 6:13
41 39 Ben Bowen HAMILTON HEIGHTS FR 0:19:16.1 6:13
42 40 Will Wartenberg HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN FR 0:19:21.5 6:15
43 41 Alex Elston GUERIN CATHOLIC NA 0:19:35.5 6:20
44 42 Aj Miller HAMILTON HEIGHTS JR 0:20:43.8 6:42
45 43 Aaron Hook HAMILTON HEIGHTS SR 0:21:03.5 6:48
46 44 Steve Caltrider GUERIN CATHOLIC NA 0:21:06.7 6:49
47 45 Adam Hook HAMILTON HEIGHTS FR 0:21:21.6 6:54
48 46 Alex Best GUERIN CATHOLIC NA 0:21:41.9 7:00
49 Steven Schutt UNIVERSITY SR 0:26:59.9 8:43

#1 (Indiana) Fishers - 24
#4 (Indiana) Carmel - 62

[jonesie22]

Girls, same conditions as above.

1 1 Maggie Bingham WESTFIELD SR 0:19:03.5 6:09
2 2 Kelly Mccurdy CARMEL JR 0:19:30.6 6:18
3 3 Tiffany Cange NOBLESVILLE SO 0:19:47.2 6:23
4 4 Kaitlyn Love WESTFIELD JR 0:20:02.3 6:28
5 5 Breanne Ehrman WESTFIELD SR 0:20:04.5 6:29
6 6 Taylor Bowles NOBLESVILLE JR 0:20:11.5 6:31
7 7 Kristen Schulz CARMEL JR 0:20:15.8 6:33
8 8 Caren Charles CARMEL SR 0:20:21.0 6:34
9 9 Kim Phan CARMEL JR 0:20:25.6 6:36
10 10 Jessica Postlewaite HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN SO 0:20:26.4 6:36
11 11 Breanna Smith WESTFIELD SO 0:20:35.2 6:39
12 12 Alex Chitwood CARMEL FR 0:20:44.2 6:42
13 13 Kayla Mccurdy CARMEL JR 0:20:51.5 6:44
14 14 Sarah Strycker WESTFIELD SO 0:20:58.2 6:46
15 15 Jalynne Foley NOBLESVILLE SO 0:21:07.2 6:49
16 16 Emily Kuhn FISHERS FR 0:21:09.6 6:50
17 17 Jessica Burton WESTFIELD FR 0:21:20.7 6:54
18 18 Katie Doron CARMEL SO 0:21:28.2 6:56
19 19 Caity Murdock HAMILTON HEIGHTS JR 0:21:39.9 7:00
20 20 Alex Thompson FISHERS FR 0:21:41.4 7:00
21 21 Sara Ling FISHERS SR 0:21:56.2 7:05
22 22 Kara Malone HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN SR 0:22:01.1 7:07
23 23 Haleigh Moore NOBLESVILLE FR 0:22:04.2 7:08
24 24 Samantha Montgomery FISHERS FR 0:22:16.8 7:12
25 25 Sarah Gooder FISHERS JR 0:22:19.0 7:12
26 26 Amanda Mauk NOBLESVILLE FR 0:22:22.3 7:13
27 27 Caroline Bullough NOBLESVILLE SR 0:22:35.3 7:18
28 28 Dana Christie WESTFIELD SO 0:22:41.9 7:20
29 29 Kate Thompson HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN SO 0:22:43.1 7:20
30 30 Carrie Gavit FISHERS SO 0:22:52.0 7:23
31 31 Stephanie Runyon NOBLESVILLE JR 0:22:57.8 7:25
32 32 Tori Brown HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN SR 0:23:03.3 7:27
33 33 Kelsey Sager FISHERS JR 0:23:29.0 7:35
34 34 Maddie Green HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN SO 0:24:04.4 7:46
35 35 Kaylie Waltz HAMILTON HEIGHTS SR 0:24:12.3 7:49
36 36 Rebecca Frettinger HAMILTON HEIGHTS SO 0:25:10.1 8:08
37 37 Krista Burkhardt HAMILTON HEIGHTS SO 0:25:13.9 8:09
38 38 Brittany Davis HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN SO 0:25:32.5 8:15
39 39 Lauren Lybarger HAMILTON HEIGHTS SR 0:25:38.7 8:17
40 40 Katie Barrett HAMILTON HEIGHTS SR 0:26:24.6 8:32
41 Vivan Danko UNIVERSITY SO 0:26:34.2 8:35

#1 (Indiana) Westfield - 35
#3 (Indiana) Carmel - 38

[DRitz123082fan]

Medina boys 15'd their county meet. I've never seen Wadsworth's course but the county is usually somewhat deep, it's absorbing much of the Cleveland area urban sprawl and Brunswick and Highland have also had strong teams in the past.

http://www.baumspage.com/cc/medinaco/2007/bhs.htm

[Zoso]

1 1 Neuqua Valley Chris Derrick (Sr) 0:14:30.1
2 2 Neuqua Valley Jim Riddle (Sr) 0:14:55.2
3 3 Palatine Mat Smoody (Sr) 0:15:06.4
4 4 Neuqua Valley Danny Pawola (Jr) 0:15:07.4
5 5 Naperville Central Stephen Couch (Sr) 0:15:19.2
6 6 Hinsdale South Brian Denk (Sr) 0:15:28.7
7 7 Stagg Nate Bohne (Sr) 0:15:29.9
8 8 Palatine Kevin O'Brien (Sr) 0:15:30.7
9 9 Neuqua Valley Kevin Grady (Sr) 0:15:38.6
10 10 Wheaton-Warrenville South Peter Casa (Sr) 0:15:39.5
11 11 Naperville Central Stephen O'Donnell (Sr) 0:15:42.9
12 12 Hinsdale Central Thomas Fielder (Sr) 0:15:46.6
13 13 Minooka Josh Keck (Jr) 0:15:48.2
14 14 Neuqua Valley Mike Ruff (Sr) 0:15:48.6
15 15 Evanston Sam LeVon (Sr) 0:15:50.0
16 16 Glenbard East Brian Peters (Sr) 0:15:50.6
17 17 Naperville Central Evan Thayer (Sr) 0:15:51.4
18 18 Evanston Matt Marol (Jr) 0:15:51.9
19 19 Palatine Alex Mourousias (Sr) 0:15:56.6
20 20 Neuqua Valley Josh Budnik (Sr) 0:15:57.0
21 21 Palatine Eddie Lopez (Sr) 0:15:59.7
22 22 Hinsdale South Lee Vlcek (Sr) 0:16:02.1
23 23 Neuqua Valley Bryan Winek (Jr) 0:16:03.1
24 24 Evanston Matt D'Arcy (Sr) 0:16:05.1
25 25 Wheaton-Warrenville South David McHale (Sr) 0:16:09.3
26 26 Stagg Rick Davey (Sr) 0:16:09.9
27 27 Hinsdale South Brandon Hummer (Sr) 0:16:11.0
28 Neuqua Valley Brian Griffith (Jr) 0:16:14.6
29 28 Stagg Nick Sustersic (Sr) 0:16:15.0
30 29 Palatine Paul Kwak (Sr) 0:16:20.1
31 30 Palatine Juan Perez (So) 0:16:20.8
32 31 Hinsdale Central Doug Moore (Jr) 0:16:21.3
33 32 Bolingbrook John Glass (Sr) 0:16:21.9
34 33 Bloomington Josh Roig (Jr) 0:16:25.8
35 34 Hinsdale South Max Rodrigues (Jr) 0:16:26.2
36 35 Naperville Central Brandon Gittleman (Sr) 0:16:28.1
37 36 New Trier Pat Morris (Sr) 0:16:29.2
38 Neuqua Valley Brian Morenus (Jr) 0:16:30.3
39 37 Minooka Sean Coyle (So) 0:16:32.5
40 38 Marian Catholic Tim Stanis (Sr) 0:16:33.4

1 Neuqua Valley 30 1, 2, 4, 9, 14, 20, 23
2 Palatine 80 3, 8, 19, 21, 29, 30, 44
3 Naperville Central 115 5, 11, 17, 35, 47, 49, 55
4 Hinsdale South 141 6, 22, 27, 34, 52, 54, 72
5 Evanston 166 15, 18, 24, 51, 58, 75, 111
6 Stagg 178 7, 26, 28, 50, 67, 83, 86
7 Wheaton-Warrenville South 183 10, 25, 39, 53, 56, 61, 64
8 Minooka 204 13, 37, 40, 41, 73, 76, 84
9 New Trier 252 36, 42, 48, 60, 66, 68, 69
10 Hinsdale Central 253 12, 31, 57, 71, 82, 87, 90
11 Bloomington 295 33, 43, 45, 85, 89, 92, 99
12 Glenbard East 311 16, 46, 65, 78, 106, 113, 119
13 Niles North 358 62, 63, 74, 79, 80, 88, 102
14 Bolingbrook 421 32, 81, 95, 101, 112, 121, 124
15 Marian Catholic 428 38, 59, 105, 109, 117
16 Reavis 430 70, 77, 93, 94, 96, 97, 103
17 Larkin 522 91, 100, 107, 110, 114, 116, 123
18 Homewood-Flossmoor 543 98, 104, 108, 115, 118, 120, 122

[JMegs13]

Port Washington and Madison LaFollette went head-to-head in both of their first meets of the season today. Looks like Hackett and the transfer (Bartow) had really off days. LaFollette crushed them, and it looks like they didn't have their best day today either.

1 1 215 Spencer Agnew 11 1 Fort Atkinson 16:16.0 05:13
2 2 266 Andy Buchanan 12 1 Madison LaFollette 16:17.2 05:14
3 3 265 Alex Brill 11 2 Madison LaFollette 16:28.6 05:17
4 4 345 Gerald Kerska 11 1 Sauk Prairie 16:34.9 05:19
5 5 336 Mark Allen 11 1 Port Washington 16:45.8 05:23
6 6 267 Garrett Eklof 12 3 Madison LaFollette 16:48.1 05:24
7 7 216 Jake Burow 12 2 Fort Atkinson 16:48.4 05:24
8 8 239 Bobby Glotfelty 11 1 La Crosse Logan 16:50.8 05:25
9 9 256 Adam Olson 12 1 Madison East 16:52.9 05:25
10 10 341 Colin Zauner 12 2 Port Washington 17:00.7 05:28
11 11 340 Evan Ross 11 3 Port Washington 17:03.0 05:28
12 12 284 Connor Boushon 12 1 McFarland 17:07.6 05:30
13 13 338 Jack Hackett 12 4 Port Washington 17:10.1 05:31
14 14 222 Ryan Ahrens 11 1 Janesville Craig 17:10.3 05:31
15 15 269 John Prusynski 12 4 Madison LaFollette 17:16.4 05:33
16 16 275 Aaron Noltemeyer 12 1 Madison Memorial 17:17.5 05:33
17 17 346 Justin Miller 12 2 Sauk Prairie 17:18.4 05:33
18 18 241 Kevin Markwardt 12 2 La Crosse Logan 17:20.4 05:34
19 19 322 Mike Hill 1 Oregon 17:22.8 05:35
20 20 286 Shane Lacy 12 2 McFarland 17:23.7 05:35
21 21 270 Trevor Scharnke 11 5 Madison LaFollette 17:25.3 05:36
25 25 264 Brently Bohn 12 6 Madison LaFollette 17:29.9 05:37
27 27 268 Hayden Lamb 12 7 Madison LaFollette 17:31.7 05:38
35 35 339 Ethan Jones 11 5 Port Washington 17:45.8 05:42
41 41 337 Jeff Bartow 10 6 Port Washington 17:51.9 05:44

Team Scores (23-team field):
1. Madison LaFollette 47 (2-3-6-15-21)
2. Port Washington 74 (5-10-11-13-35)


Also, last night Stevens Point (aka SPASH) won their first meet of the year.

Notable team scores:
1. SPASH 61 (6-9-13-15-18)
2. Neenah 66 (2-4-12-17-31)
3. Marquette 83 (5-10-11-28-29)

SPASH runners:
6 Pliska, John 16:26
9 King, Jordan 16:43
13 Hatton, Nate 16:56
15 Zdroik, Bryan 17:03
18 Cal, Joey 17:11
19 Senefeld, Jack 17:11
26 Przybelski, Paul 17:22

[IRunSometimes.]

SPASH runners:
6 Pliska, John 16:26
9 King, Jordan 16:43
13 Hatton, Nate 16:56
15 Zdroik, Bryan 17:03
18 Cal, Joey 17:11
19 Senefeld, Jack 17:11
26 Przybelski, Paul 17:22

http://media.canada.com/67bc2623-9886-4c71-9f03-edf992a0aa3a/jseinfeld_375x375.jpg

[watchout]

1 1 Neuqua Valley Chris Derrick (Sr) 0:14:30.1
2 2 Neuqua Valley Jim Riddle (Sr) 0:14:55.2
3 3 Palatine Mat Smoody (Sr) 0:15:06.4
4 4 Neuqua Valley Danny Pawola (Jr) 0:15:07.4
5 5 Naperville Central Stephen Couch (Sr) 0:15:19.2
6 6 Hinsdale South Brian Denk (Sr) 0:15:28.7
7 7 Stagg Nate Bohne (Sr) 0:15:29.9
8 8 Palatine Kevin O'Brien (Sr) 0:15:30.7
9 9 Neuqua Valley Kevin Grady (Sr) 0:15:38.6
10 10 Wheaton-Warrenville South Peter Casa (Sr) 0:15:39.5
11 11 Naperville Central Stephen O'Donnell (Sr) 0:15:42.9
12 12 Hinsdale Central Thomas Fielder (Sr) 0:15:46.6
13 13 Minooka Josh Keck (Jr) 0:15:48.2
14 14 Neuqua Valley Mike Ruff (Sr) 0:15:48.6
15 15 Evanston Sam LeVon (Sr) 0:15:50.0
16 16 Glenbard East Brian Peters (Sr) 0:15:50.6
17 17 Naperville Central Evan Thayer (Sr) 0:15:51.4
18 18 Evanston Matt Marol (Jr) 0:15:51.9
19 19 Palatine Alex Mourousias (Sr) 0:15:56.6
20 20 Neuqua Valley Josh Budnik (Sr) 0:15:57.0
21 21 Palatine Eddie Lopez (Sr) 0:15:59.7
22 22 Hinsdale South Lee Vlcek (Sr) 0:16:02.1
23 23 Neuqua Valley Bryan Winek (Jr) 0:16:03.1
24 24 Evanston Matt D'Arcy (Sr) 0:16:05.1
25 25 Wheaton-Warrenville South David McHale (Sr) 0:16:09.3
26 26 Stagg Rick Davey (Sr) 0:16:09.9
27 27 Hinsdale South Brandon Hummer (Sr) 0:16:11.0
28 Neuqua Valley Brian Griffith (Jr) 0:16:14.6
29 28 Stagg Nick Sustersic (Sr) 0:16:15.0
30 29 Palatine Paul Kwak (Sr) 0:16:20.1
31 30 Palatine Juan Perez (So) 0:16:20.8
32 31 Hinsdale Central Doug Moore (Jr) 0:16:21.3
33 32 Bolingbrook John Glass (Sr) 0:16:21.9
34 33 Bloomington Josh Roig (Jr) 0:16:25.8
35 34 Hinsdale South Max Rodrigues (Jr) 0:16:26.2
36 35 Naperville Central Brandon Gittleman (Sr) 0:16:28.1
37 36 New Trier Pat Morris (Sr) 0:16:29.2
38 Neuqua Valley Brian Morenus (Jr) 0:16:30.3
39 37 Minooka Sean Coyle (So) 0:16:32.5
40 38 Marian Catholic Tim Stanis (Sr) 0:16:33.4

1 Neuqua Valley 30 1, 2, 4, 9, 14, 20, 23
2 Palatine 80 3, 8, 19, 21, 29, 30, 44
3 Naperville Central 115 5, 11, 17, 35, 47, 49, 55
4 Hinsdale South 141 6, 22, 27, 34, 52, 54, 72
5 Evanston 166 15, 18, 24, 51, 58, 75, 111
6 Stagg 178 7, 26, 28, 50, 67, 83, 86
7 Wheaton-Warrenville South 183 10, 25, 39, 53, 56, 61, 64
8 Minooka 204 13, 37, 40, 41, 73, 76, 84
9 New Trier 252 36, 42, 48, 60, 66, 68, 69
10 Hinsdale Central 253 12, 31, 57, 71, 82, 87, 90
11 Bloomington 295 33, 43, 45, 85, 89, 92, 99
12 Glenbard East 311 16, 46, 65, 78, 106, 113, 119
13 Niles North 358 62, 63, 74, 79, 80, 88, 102
14 Bolingbrook 421 32, 81, 95, 101, 112, 121, 124
15 Marian Catholic 428 38, 59, 105, 109, 117
16 Reavis 430 70, 77, 93, 94, 96, 97, 103
17 Larkin 522 91, 100, 107, 110, 114, 116, 123
18 Homewood-Flossmoor 543 98, 104, 108, 115, 118, 120, 122

Course record for Derrick, nice.

Riddle beating Smoody, nice.

#1-5 Spread under 80 seconds, nice.

Team averaging just 42 seconds behind a FL favorite in Derrick... NICE!

[westxc]

Course record for Derrick, nice.

Riddle beating Smoody, nice.

#1-5 Spread under 80 seconds, nice.

Team averaging just 42 seconds behind a FL favorite in Derrick... NICE!

on top of that, beattie won the soph race in 15:59, and shields didnt run

[pr25]

St. John's Jesuit quoted from another forum

"Miller - 15:18
Yarnell - 15:55
Wagner - 16:13
Madaras - 16:17
Turissini - 16:45

The course was 65 meters short, all flat, last mile was partly down hill and was also on a golf course. So times were not legit but either way these are looking to be some fast times"


Yarnell is a transfer who ran 4:24 last year, Turissini is a freshman who ran 4:47.

[maverick]

Course record for Derrick, nice.

Riddle beating Smoody, nice.

#1-5 Spread under 80 seconds, nice.

Team averaging just 42 seconds behind a FL favorite in Derrick... NICE!

the kid that ran the course record 2 years ago in 1448 also went on to run 1431 at detweiler just a few weeks later. Just something to think about.

[watchout]

Posting this so I don't lose it if my laptop dies..

Speed ratings for Hornet-Red Devil (-30)

Derrick NV 200
Riddle NV 191
Pawola NV 187
Grady NV 177
Ruff NV 174
Budnik NV 171
Winek NV 168

Smoody PAL 188
O'Brien PAL 180
Mourousias PAL 171
Lopez PAL 170
Kwak PAL 163

[maverick]

Posting this so I don't lose it if my laptop dies..

Speed ratings for Hornet-Red Devil (-30)

Derrick NV 200
Riddle NV 191
Pawola NV 187
Grady NV 177
Ruff NV 174
Budnik NV 171
Winek NV 168

Smoody PAL 188
O'Brien PAL 180
Mourousias PAL 171
Lopez PAL 170
Kwak PAL 163

is there any way to do beattie from the soph race?

[watchout]

is there any way to do beattie from the soph race?

it was the same course on the same day, so it'll be the same formula for him as everyone else.

15:59 + 30 = 959 + 30 = 989 - 900 = 89 / 3 = 29.7
200 - 29.7 = 170.3 = 170

[KenA55]

Midwest bubble team NN IL girls handled HL#4 Iowa City High girls 49-66 Saturday in the Pleasant Valley IA meet:
http://www.fitnesssports.com/XCResults/2007/PleasantValley/PleasantValley.html

[roller coaster]

Invite featuring Lockport girls against some good Indiana competition:
Varsity Girls
Argo 27 33 50 53 67 230 8
Bloom 38 39 57 69 73 276 10
Bremen 25 58 59 79 81 302 12
Crown Point 2 4 10 14 20 50 2
EC Central 70 72 83 84 X
Evergreen Park 30 34 35 55 64 218 7
Gage Park
Highland 18 42 47 48 52 207 6
Hammond Gavit
Illiana 16 24 29 37 41 147 4
Lockport 1 3 7 8 15 34 1
Munster 6 9 12 17 21 65 3
Merrillville 5 13 40 61 62 181 5
Oswego East 36 77 X
Rich East 32 54 66 71 78 301 11
Rich South 63 X
T.F. South 43 44 45 56 76 264 9
Thornton Co-op
Whiting 11 51 82 X

Varsity Girls Time Place School
Liz Phillips 19.09 1st L
Laicee Pierce 19.34 2nd CP
Erin Lakie 20.02 3rd L
Jenn Bane 20.07 4th CP
Kate Tarr 20.11 5th MV
Jessica Kitchell 20.14 6th M
Stephanie Houts 20.21.05 7th L
Erika Foltys 20.21.33 8th L
Brigid Mariott 20.23 9th M
Maggie Schwuchow 20.37 10th CP
Christabel Gutierrez 20.43 11th W
Lyndsey Kunz 20.45 12th M
Jess Boursier 20.46 13th MV
Ksenia Pilarski 20.49 14th CP
Lauren Wyman 21.03 15th L
Erin Behns 21.07 16th IL
Amy Fuhs 21.09 17th M
Whitney Heacock 21.10.04 18th H
Gina Montagno 21.10.29 19th L

[jonesie22]

Indiana's top two teams, Fishers and Franklin Community went head to head (along with 8 other ranked teams) Satruday. This meet took place ON the course where the NTN regional will take place in Terre Haute.

Indiana's #4 Carmel, was a distant third.

1 Wilson, Sean FCOM 15:42.10
2 Witt, Anthony SHAK 15:43.50
3 Alloen, Cale FHS 15:48.46
4 Eichenberger, David PLAN 15:51.40
5 Mayhew, Zach THN 15:59.23
6 Shields, Drew FHS 16:01.86
7 Gates, Zach HSE 16:04.62
8 Lasiter, Scott FC 16:12.27
9 Warrent, RickyFCOM 16:13.21
10 Nelson, Lance SP 16:13.70
11 Ricker, James CATH 16:14.62
12 Wilson, Andy BD 16:15.56
13 White, Donovan BD 16:16.45
14 Oherren, William CATH 16:17.44
15 Martin, James Car 16:21.76
16 Tranter, ZachFCOM 16:23.73
17 Vaughan, Jeremiah FKC 16:24.48
18 Smith, JD CARM 16:25.32
19 Piggush, Nate FHS 16:28.64
20 Sullivan, Andrew THS 16:28.81
21 Kin, Daniel CARM 16:31.65
22 Shiver, Colby WESTF 16:33.64
23 Campbel, JakeFCOM 16:34.38
24 Gambill, Drew SHAK 16:37.25
25 Courtney, Kevin CARM 16:37.64
26 Kilmer, Austin Car 16:38.99
27 Stegman, Tyler FHS 16:39.85
28 Shields, Alex FHS 16:40.69
29 Query, Brandon THN 16:42.78
30 Johnson, Traishaun BD 16:44.02
31 Vance, Colin FWS 16:44.82
32 Pope, Brendan VALPO 16:46.21
33 Jenkins, Zach FC 16:47.75
34 Neff, Dustin WESTF 16:48.30
35 Hitchcock, Evan HSE 16:49.83
36 Arroyo, Alejandro CUL 16:49.91
37 Porter, Daniel CARM 16:50.24
38 Ohlman, Tom CARM 16:51.19
39 Millares, Josh FHS 16:51.81
40 Kleber, Robby Car 16:53.60
41 Caesar, Omavi FHS 16:55.27
42 Wilkerson, GeoffFCOM 16:55.59
43 Gogarty, Owen MEM 16:55.60
44 Marks, Kyle PT 16:57.09
45 Bates, Brian CARM 16:58.35
46 Young, Lance PM 17:00.05
47 Mascari, John THN 17:00.05
48 Costalunga, Kevin VALPO 17:00.62
49 Nussa, Mike Car 17:02.21
50 Pison, David CARM 17:02.60
51 Talhelm, Joe FC 17:03.57
52 Martin, Connor WESTF 17:04.35
53 Heir, Manbir PT 17:08.77
54 Callison, Michael ND 17:14.75
55 Riggleman, David PM 17:15.32
56 Camp, David SP 17:16.13
57 Roberson, Ross HSE 17:16.82
58 Wappes, Ethan FWS 17:18.21
59 Schoenstein, Alex CAS 17:20.17
60 Goetschel, Morgan THS 17:21.16
61 Nuppnau, Johnny VALPO 17:21.37
62 Hess, Brad Car 17:23.02
63 Burgess, Matt VALPO 17:23.21
64 Biery, Miles CP 17:23.28
65 Wilhelm, Andrew PLAN 17:24.39
66 Whyde, Michael FC 17:24.62
67 Hukill, NickFCOM 17:26.17
68 Camp, Wes EVNO 17:28.21
69 Krasich, John BREJ 17:28.60
70 Hoard, Jason BREJ 17:29.40
71 Brinza, Milton THN 17:29.84
72 Kinsey, Wil WESTF 17:30.35
73 Moore, Landry NV 17:31.01
74 Depasse, Brian THN 17:31.79
75 Card, Nick Car 17:32.62
76 Sefton, Nicholas BD 17:32.98
77 Wilson, Ben GREEN 17:33.08
78 Gearhart, Michael SP 17:33.64
79 Duty, Jonny PM 17:33.80
80 Williams, Joshua BD 17:37.10
81 Lutes, Ryan NV 17:38.17
82 Casey, Kameron PM 17:38.92
83 Cunningham, Gordon CAS 17:39.95
84 Davis, Patrick FC 17:40.00
85 Sterett, Jeff CATH 17:41.32
86 Spillman, Scott HSE 17:41.80
87 Murga, Matt VALPO 17:41.99
88 Ordaz, Isaiah FWS 17:43.19
89 Bravo, Eric CAS 17:43.44
90 Harlan, Clayton THS 17:43.80
91 Clark, Jake WESTF 17:44.03
92 Smith, Chris NV 17:44.08
93 Stevenson, ZachFCOM 17:44.19
94 McDowell, Shay WESTF 17:44.48
95 Hargett, Will EVNO 17:46.50
96 Gibbons, Jack CATH 17:47.14
97 Meyer, Matt VALPO 17:47.19
98 Bunch, Sam THN 17:47.24
99 Hayhurst, Dalton EVNO 17:47.77
100 Dunten, Michael FC 17:48.24
101 Bennett, Cy CATH 17:49.70
102 Eakle, Steven PM 17:50.08
103 Roscoe, Sam MVP 17:52.25
104 Farley, Henry PT 17:52.81
105 Renshaw, Ken MVP 17:52.96
106 Griffith, Braxton CC 17:53.15
107 Miller, Patrick SP 17:56.46
108 Hunkler, Eric FWS 17:58.03
109 Hall, Brady REITZ 17:59.22
110 Schoettle, Jimmy PM 17:59.68
111 Wheeler, Evan SV 18:00.54
112 Wright, Ben VL 18:02.00
113 Czerny, Michael FC 18:02.77
114 Page, Ethan THN 18:05.02
115 Head, Taylor THS 18:06.48
116 Mosier, Tim SP 18:07.10
117 Mayhew, Robbie UNION 18:07.84
118 Fry, Ethan WESTF 18:08.01
119 Gadbury, Sam PM 18:08.96
120 Ebling, Joe HSE 18:09.32
121 Strain, Connor NV 18:09.46
122 Brun, Andy BREJ 18:11.23
123 Hayhurst, Devin EVNO 18:13.03
124 Webb, Dennis NOVM 18:16.19
125 Sweetland, Kyle UNION 18:18.12
126 Proffitt, Garrett HSE 18:20.56
127 Patterson, Patrick PLAN 18:21.53
128 Ostergren, Trace CUL 18:23.17
129 Radlick, Michael CATH 18:24.24
130 Mehemed, Amanuel BD 18:24.87
131 Kriese, Alex SP 18:25.30
132 Dewart, Graham PT 18:25.64
133 Kain, Alex PLAN 18:25.98
134 Webber, Kindley VL 18:27.56
135 Desta, Bisrat FWS 18:27.80
136 Sengthong, Cody FWS 18:28.24
137 Wright, MH CP 18:29.01
138 Stackhouse, Jordan Car 18:29.32
139 Kluemper, Joe CATH 18:29.32
140 Webster, Brice SV 18:31.36
141 Thread, Tyler SIGN 18:31.41
142 Hodges, Josh NM 18:31.44
143 Vansickle, Jesse CC 18:31.57
144 Ostofinski, Kevin VALPO 18:32.51
145 Collier, Matt THS 18:33.13
146 Trennepohl, CJ CUL 18:34.88
147 Collicott, Grant PLAN 18:37.14
148 Hunkley, Adam FWS 18:40.08
149 Sievern, Will MEM 18:41.89
150 Thomas, Luke BD 18:42.68
151 Sweetland, Kevin UNION 18:44.67
152 Shell, Austin NOVM 18:45.32
153 Kirby, Eli NV 18:45.47
154 Palmer, Scott HSE 18:47.12
155 Lewis, Jordan GREEN 18:47.85
156 Zimmerman, Coleman CUL 18:48.35
157 Phipps, Nick DAN 18:48.39
158 Meurer, Mitchel MVP 18:49.87
159 Banning, Michael PLAN 18:50.37
160 Jackson, Alex CP 18:50.86
161 Brenner, Isiah BREJ 18:52.04
162 Stinnett, Deli THS 18:52.68
163 Hurt, Steve EVNO 18:56.04
164 Williams, Pat PLAN 18:56.08
165 Krevda, Jacob BREJ 18:56.30
166 Theising, Adam BREJ 18:59.91
167 Kegerreis, Jason SP 19:03.63
168 Purcell, Jordan VL 19:05.19
169 Crabtree, Eddie MEM 19:07.85
170 Cook, Kevin CC 19:09.21
171 Henke, Kolby NV 19:09.47
172 O'Berle, Max THS 19:09.94
173 Hawkins, Derek DAN 19:14.32
174 Modesitt, Conner CC 19:14.66
175 Horton, Josh SHAK 19:15.79
176 Gross, Justin EVNO 19:18.12
177 Burney, Clint NOVM 19:19.72
178 Kasher, Matt BREJ 19:23.96
179 Kazer, Alexander CUL 19:25.51
180 Phaup, Alex CAS 19:26.19
181 Scott, Dion SV 19:27.84
182 Lighthizer, Mark SULL 19:29.30
183 Newman, Wyatt MVP 19:29.66
184 Gillespie, Ryan GREEN 19:29.83
185 Dick, Kyle MVP 19:30.33
186 Brown, Michael CAS 19:30.69
187 Tresslar, Matt MEM 19:33.65
188 Dickey, Ben CC 19:33.95
189 Laswell, Logha SV 19:34.67
190 Schrock, Adam CP 19:34.71
191 Lefler, Richie DAN 19:38.51
192 Stevens, Nick GREEN 19:39.10
193 Collum, Chris UNION 19:47.10
194 Steckelberg, William CUL 19:48.85
195 Roth, Lawson SIGN 19:52.08
196 Freudenberg, Richmond CAS 19:52.32
197 Klinker, Alex DAN 19:52.34
198 Kiefer, Johnny MEM 19:54.27
199 Swartz, Zach NOVM 19:54.88
200 Moore, Ed NOVM 19:56.80
201 Mcclure, Ryan PT 20:04.00
202 Stevenson, Jacob SHAK 20:05.55
203 Layer, Andrew SIGN 20:05.84
204 Martin, Matt MEM 20:13.72
205 Smith, Luke GREEN 20:13.96
206 Houghton, Charles MVP 20:14.30
207 Trela, Grady SIGN 20:14.92
208 Reyher, Dylan SV 20:15.77
209 Green, Wes CAS 20:18.55
210 Martin, Jake EVNO 20:19.41
211 McLaughlin, Jarrid RP 20:20.16
212 Woodall, Austin GREEN 20:21.92
213 Fudurich, Holden SULL 20:22.91
214 Goebel, Kyle MVP 20:25.80
215 Laforney, Nate DAN 20:27.81
216 Bast, Derek UNION 20:28.92
217 Smith, TJ UNION 20:31.32
218 Nasiatka, Daniel SIGN 20:32.32
219 Yocum, Kyle CC 20:36.82
220 Nowakowski, Jordan VL 20:39.01
221 Mackey, Kyle DAN 20:51.12
222 Bemis, Quentin NOVM 20:54.77
223 Moody, EC NV 20:54.80
224 Rigdon, Nate DAN 21:00.17
225 Burney, Zach NOVM 21:04.27
226 Vaughan, Zach FKC 21:14.65
227 Reel, Chris WRV 21:17.14
228 Rehmel, Matt SHAK 21:20.36
229 Egel, Sam VL 21:22.49
230 Golding, Nick MEM 21:27.48
231 Lewis, Tyler GREEN 21:35.16
232 Graham, Jake SULL 21:36.97
233 Hill, Charles CP 21:38.24
234 Smith, Matthew ND 21:40.45
235 Morphew, Ben WRV 21:42.53
236 Corrie, Wesley VL 21:43.61
237 Batts, Jacob CP 21:46.15
238 Ferree, Ross SULL 21:52.47
239 Raymond, Alex RP 21:54.75
240 Stephens, JT CP 21:56.14
241 Bast, Bronson UNION 21:59.54
242 Cox, Cameron RP 22:08.48
243 Arehart, Caleb SV 22:23.41
244 Powell, Bart NM 22:42.98
245 Shaffer, Andy CC 22:54.14
246 Yeargin, Kyle RP 22:59.76
247 Williams, Nate VL 23:32.68
248 Leaman, Jacob NM 23:38.68
249 Carnahan, Richard SULL 24:21.16
250 Davis, Dylan RP 24:21.50
251 Ellis, Greg SHAK 24:39.64
252 Babyak, Zachary RP 25:16.24
253 Meschen, Niles RP 26:39.86
254 Davie, Brett NM 31:09.18

[jonesie22]

Fishers - 73 Franklin Community - 83 Carmel - 124

[jonesie22]

McCutcheon....Indiana's #3 defeated IN #9 Northridge and three other ranked teams on Saturday.

1. Mercer Nrdge 15:44
2. Sorenson Z 15:44
3. Bird Nrp 15:54
4. Holahan BS 16:03
5. Albert Nrdge 16:07
6. Pack WC 16:14
7. Hodgen Mc 16:19
8. Bennett And 16:23
9. Surfus Av 16:24
10. Strock Nrp 16:25
11. Daluga WL 16:26
12. Jimenez WL 16:28
13. Russell Mc 16:31
14. Stewart Mc 16:32
15. Escalera Mc 16:33
16. Keyser Nrdg 16:37
17. Thaman LN 16:37
18. Kuhl LN 16:38
19. Stanley LN 16:39
20. Boyd LN 16:39
21. Garretson P 16:41
22. Miller LN 16:42
23. Cardwell Mc 16:43
24. Farkas LN 16:43
25. Murto Goshen 16:45
26. Clark Concord 16:47
27. Wenrich WC 16:47
28. Witkowski Concord 16:50
29. St. Amorur, Matt LC 16:51
30. St. Amorur, Marc LC 16:54
31. Moore Nrdg 16:58
32. Matthews WC 16:58
33. Bontrager Nrdg 16;58
34. Yoder Nrdg 17:03
35. Dion Concord 17:04
36. Becerra And 17:06
37. Cancino LJ 17:07
38. Contreras Concord 17:07
39. Talmadg Wheeler 17:07
40. Chen BS 17:08
41. Piropato Nrp 17:11
42. Hannah Nrp 17:11
43. Siegmund WL 17:11
44. Aldrich WC 17:12
45. Pratt LC 17:12
46. Duemler BS 17:13
47. Griesenauer Av 17:14
48. Alvarez And 17:14
49. Janiga And 17:15
50. McCarthy Z 17:16
52. Hinrichsen Nrp 17:18
53. Jacobs G 17:19
54. Holtson K 17:19
55. Murphy BS 17:19

McCutcheon - 72 Northridge - 86

[jonesie22]

Finally, Bloomington North. Indiana's #6 right now, but was on the NTN bubble list. They defeated four other Indiana ranked teams on Saturday.

1 #307 John Pence 12 Columbus North HS 5:04.2 15:44.97 1
2 #65 Tim Schoch 12 Bloomington Nort 5:06.3 15:51.40 2
3 #58 Michael Hoffmann 12 Bloomington Nort 5:07.8 15:56.15 3
4 #54 Andrew Buzzelli 11 Bloomington Nort 5:07.9 15:56.42 4
5 #500 Rod Lammers 12 North Central HS 5:11.0 16:06.08 5
6 #201 David Osborn 10 Chesterson HS 5:11.4 16:07.38 6
7 #122 Greg Bantista 12 Center Grove HS 5:15.0 16:18.39 7
8 #149 Ben Serma 12 Center Grove HS 5:15.1 16:18.87 8
9 #148 Evan Raker 11 Center Grove HS 5:16.5 16:23.16 9
10 #299 Zach Gates 11 Columbus North HS 5:17.8 16:27.29 10
11 #657 Blake Hoover 11 Edgewood HS 5:18.3 16:28.69 11
12 #207 Chester Vanek 12 Chesterson HS 5:20.1 16:34.36 12
13 #57 Wesley Drake 12 Bloomington Nort 5:22.4 16:41.46 13
14 #192 Shane Kenney 10 Chesterson HS 5:24.0 16:46.54 14
15 #310 Evan Scruton 10 Columbus North HS 5:24.1 16:46.84 15
16 #584 Corey Kimball 12 Perry Central HS 5:24.2 16:47.14 16
17 #505 David Marcus 12 North Central HS 5:25.1 16:49.92 17
18 #418 Taylor Lowry 10 Martinsville HS 5:26.3 16:53.77 18
19 #495 Connor Geshay 10 North Central HS 5:26.9 16:55.62 19
20 #305 Gabe Ocasio 9 Columbus North HS 5:27.1 16:55.99 20
21 #137 Andrew Kinman 12 Center Grove HS 5:27.5 16:57.51 21
22 #190 Thomas Halpin 9 Chesterson HS 5:27.6 16:57.78 22
23 #520 Ethan Wellin 11 North Central HS 5:27.9 16:58.50 23
24 #666 Cole Reinhold 9 Edgewood HS 5:28.5 17:00.62 24
25 #401 Bryant Layman 11 Madison Consolid 5:30.9 17:07.96 25
26 #125 Nathan Catt 10 Center Grove HS 5:32.0 17:11.20 26
27 #588 Jake Schwartz 10 Perry Central HS 5:32.1 17:11.52 27
28 #633 Landon Miller 10 Whiteland HS 5:32.4 17:12.59 28
29 #579 Michael Ernst 10 Perry Central HS 5:33.4 17:15.60 29
30 #295 Corbin Brooks 10 Columbus North HS 5:33.9 17:17.31 30
31 #417 Jace Lowry 9 Martinsville HS 5:34.8 17:20.16 31
32 #257 Michael Kurtz 11 Columbus East HS 5:35.3 17:21.70 32
33 #498 Kris Kinkead 12 North Central HS 5:35.8 17:23.01 33
34 #519 Julian Toumey 10 North Central HS 5:36.2 17:24.27 34
35 #197 Mike Moorehouse 12 Chesterson HS 5:36.4 17:25.03 35
36 #306 Jerry Patron 12 Columbus North HS 5:37.1 17:27.27 36
37 #301 Mike Hudecek 10 Columbus North HS 5:37.4 17:28.19 37
38 #145 Austin Mudd 9 Center Grove HS 5:37.9 17:29.79 38
39 #411 Matt Astleford 11 Martinsville HS 5:38.9 17:32.76 39
40 #133 Terry Hines 10 Center Grove HS 5:39.2 17:33.70 40
41 #199 Chris Noel 10 Chesterson HS 5:39.9 17:35.82 41
42 #488 Sam Alderfer 10 North Central HS 5:40.8 17:38.69 42
43 #55 Patrick Carter 10 Bloomington Nort 5:42.0 17:42.51 43
44 #53 Davis Baglivi 12 Bloomington Nort 5:42.6 17:44.19 44
45 #585 Eric Scheiber 9 Perry Central HS 5:42.8 17:45.06 45
46 #259 Cody Maus 11 Columbus East HS 5:44.3 17:49.64 46
47 #412 Curtis Craven 11 Martinsville HS 5:47.0 17:58.05 47
48 #254 Tim Herrmann 11 Columbus East HS 5:47.2 17:58.54 48
49 #662 Caleb Coss 10 Edgewood HS 5:47.7 18:00.13 49
50 #630 Dakota Ebright 10 Whiteland HS 5:48.6 18:03.06 50
51 #420 Nick McGrew 9 Martinsville HS 5:49.0 18:04.18 51
52 #267 Ashton Wischmeier 11 Columbus East HS 5:50.1 18:07.73 52
53 #437 Wes Harris 11 Mooresville HS 5:50.3 18:08.25 53
54 #400 Travis Demaree 9 Madison Consolid 5:50.6 18:09.09 54
55 #60 Steven Hosler 10 Bloomington Nort 5:50.7 18:09.59 55
56 #433 Nick Angermeier 11 Mooresville HS 5:51.2 18:10.99 56
57 #205 Ian Smith 10 Chesterson HS 5:51.4 18:11.71 57
58 #635 Wes Porter 12 Whiteland HS 5:51.6 18:12.31 58
59 #434 Brad Ashburn Mooresville HS 5:54.2 18:20.22 59
60 #436 Nathaniel Haggee 12 Mooresville HS 5:54.4 18:20.96 60
61 #249 Danny Brown 9 Columbus East HS 5:54.8 18:22.16 61
62 #660 Matt Mest 11 Edgewood HS 5:55.3 18:23.85 62
63 #577 Ian Bashor 9 Perry Central HS 5:58.6 18:33.87 63
64 #399 Ethan Bremmer 11 Madison Consolid 5:59.2 18:35.94 64
65 #627 Kye Butler 11 Whiteland HS 5:59.3 18:36.28 65
66 #581 Todd Gehlhausen 12 Perry Central HS 5:59.9 18:38.09 66
67 #432 Joe Angermeier 12 Mooresville HS 6:00.7 18:40.63 67
68 #582 Zach Hagedorn 12 Perry Central HS 6:01.0 18:41.57 68
69 #659 Ethan Loeper 11 Edgewood HS 6:01.5 18:42.86 69
70 #413 Robert Craven 10 Martinsville HS 6:01.8 18:43.84 70
71 #248 Ryan Antcliff 11 Columbus East HS 6:04.1 18:50.97 71
72 #636 Jon Rynerson 12 Whiteland HS 6:05.2 18:54.62 72
73 #266 Aaron Wilson 10 Columbus East HS 6:05.8 18:56.38 73
74 #442 John Stanley 12 Mooresville HS 6:07.4 19:01.32 74
75 #655 Matt Erwin 11 Edgewood HS 6:07.9 19:03.03 75
76 #664 Justin Sherwood 10 Edgewood HS 6:09.1 19:06.62 76
77 #441 Zach Rothenberger 10 Mooresville HS 6:15.6 19:26.67 77
78 #638 Bryan Workman 12 Whiteland HS 6:22.4 19:48.00 78
79 #397 Lukas Blignaut 12 Madison Consolid 6:32.8 20:20.34 79
80 #637 Ryan Victory 9 Whiteland HS 6:37.0 20:33.31 80
81 #415 Hayden Ingle 9 Martinsville HS 6:41.4 20:46.88 81
82 #224 Chris Arnold 9 Cloverdale HS 6:47.4 21:05.56 82
83 #225 Kyle Chambers 10 Cloverdale HS 7:00.7 21:46.86 83
84 #226 Ryan Dean 12 Cloverdale HS 7:03.5 21:55.70 84
85 #227 James Fidler 12 Cloverdale HS 7:05.5 22:01.93 85
86 #230 Zach Waycott 11 Cloverdale HS 7:06.0 22:03.47 86
87 #398 Stefan Blignaut 11 Madison Consolid 7:11.2 22:19.70 87
88 #228 Nick Monds 12 Cloverdale HS 7:17.3 22:38.44 88
89 #229 Brian Stout 11 Cloverdale HS 11:41.7 36:20.00 89

[watchout]

Estimated speed ratings for the Terre Haute race... (I'll probably try to get around to the others later this week, but I don't even have my own usual resources... technical issues.) (+20)


WILSON BD 181
WHITE BD 181
JOHNSON BD 172
SEFTON BD 156
WILLIAMS BD 154

SMITH CARM 178
KIN CARM 176
COURTNEY CARM 174
PORTER CARM 170
OHLMAN CARM 169
BATES CARM 167
PISON CARM 166

WILSON FCOM 192
WARREN FCOM 182
TRANTER FCOM 179
CAMPBELL FCOM 175
WILKERSON FCOM 168

ALLEN FHS 190
SHIELDS FHS 186
PIGGUSH FHS 177
STEGMAN FHS 173
AL.SHIELDS FHS 173
MILLARES FHS 169
CAESAR FHS 168

MARTIN FWC 179
KILMER FWC 174
KLEBER FWC 169
NUSSA FWC 166
HESS FWC 159

[watchout]

for comparison..

Posting this so I don't lose it if my laptop dies..

Speed ratings for Hornet-Red Devil (-30)

Derrick NV 200
Riddle NV 191
Pawola NV 187
Grady NV 177
Ruff NV 174
Budnik NV 171
Winek NV 168

Smoody PAL 188
O'Brien PAL 180
Mourousias PAL 171
Lopez PAL 170
Kwak PAL 163

Estimated speed ratings for the Terre Haute race... (I'll probably try to get around to the others later this week, but I don't even have my own usual resources... technical issues.) (+20)


WILSON BD 181
WHITE BD 181
JOHNSON BD 172

SMITH CARM 178
KIN CARM 176
COURTNEY CARM 174
PORTER CARM 170
OHLMAN CARM 169
BATES CARM 167
PISON CARM 166

WILSON FCOM 192
WARREN FCOM 182
TRANTER FCOM 179
CAMPBELL FCOM 175
WILKERSON FCOM 168

ALLEN FHS 190
SHIELDS FHS 186
PIGGUSH FHS 177
STEGMAN FHS 173
AL.SHIELDS FHS 173
MILLARES FHS 169
CAESAR FHS 168


My team ratings would be..

NV - 181.7
Fishers - 177.1
Franklin Comm. - 175.4
Carmel - 172.0
Palatine - 170.5

[Evan R.]

Also, last night Stevens Point (aka SPASH) won their first meet of the year.

Notable team scores:
1. SPASH 61 (6-9-13-15-18)
2. Neenah 66 (2-4-12-17-31)
3. Marquette 83 (5-10-11-28-29)

what were neenahs times??

[dont_underestimate]

what were neenahs times??

2 CHRISTIANSEN, ANDREW 12 NEENAH WHITE 15:52.73
4 BEHNKE, KAISER 11 NEENAH WHITE 16:23.98
12 SCHRAUFNAGEL, TIM 12 NEENAH WHITE 16:55.75
17 PARKER, CHRIS 11 NEENAH WHITE 17:09.83
31 GRUSE, JACKSON 11 NEENAH WHITE 17:34.86
34 DEDERING, JOSH 11 NEENAH WHITE 17:41
38 FINE, TOM 10 NEENAH WHITE 17:46.18

[watchout]

McCutcheon....Indiana's #3 defeated IN #9 Northridge and three other ranked teams on Saturday.

1. Mercer Nrdge 15:44
2. Sorenson Z 15:44
3. Bird Nrp 15:54
4. Holahan BS 16:03
5. Albert Nrdge 16:07
6. Pack WC 16:14
7. Hodgen Mc 16:19
8. Bennett And 16:23
9. Surfus Av 16:24
10. Strock Nrp 16:25
11. Daluga WL 16:26
12. Jimenez WL 16:28
13. Russell Mc 16:31
14. Stewart Mc 16:32
15. Escalera Mc 16:33
16. Keyser Nrdg 16:37
17. Thaman LN 16:37
18. Kuhl LN 16:38
19. Stanley LN 16:39
20. Boyd LN 16:39
21. Garretson P 16:41
22. Miller LN 16:42
23. Cardwell Mc 16:43
24. Farkas LN 16:43
25. Murto Goshen 16:45



Estimated Speed ratings: (+10)

Hodgen McC 177
Russell McC 173
Stewart McC 173
Escalera McC 172
Cardwell McC 169

Mercer NR 189
Albert NR 181
Keyser NR 171
Moore NR 164
Yoder NR 162

Thaman LN 171
Kuhl LN 171
Stanley LN 170
Boyd LN 170
Miller LN 169
Farkas LN 169

[watchout]

Finally, Bloomington North. Indiana's #6 right now, but was on the NTN bubble list. They defeated four other Indiana ranked teams on Saturday.


Estimated Speed ratings: (+5)

Schoch BN 184
Hoffman BN 183
Buzzelli BN 183
Drake BN 168
Carter BN 147

Bantista CG 175
Serma CG 175
Raker CG 174
Kinman CG 162
Catt CG 158

Pence CN 187
Gates CN 172
Scruton CN 166
Ocasio CN 163
Brooks CN 156

[watchout]

Port Washington and Madison LaFollette went head-to-head in both of their first meets of the season today. Looks like Hackett and the transfer (Bartow) had really off days. LaFollette crushed them, and it looks like they didn't have their best day today either.

1 1 215 Spencer Agnew 11 1 Fort Atkinson 16:16.0 05:13
2 2 266 Andy Buchanan 12 1 Madison LaFollette 16:17.2 05:14
3 3 265 Alex Brill 11 2 Madison LaFollette 16:28.6 05:17
4 4 345 Gerald Kerska 11 1 Sauk Prairie 16:34.9 05:19
5 5 336 Mark Allen 11 1 Port Washington 16:45.8 05:23
6 6 267 Garrett Eklof 12 3 Madison LaFollette 16:48.1 05:24
7 7 216 Jake Burow 12 2 Fort Atkinson 16:48.4 05:24
8 8 239 Bobby Glotfelty 11 1 La Crosse Logan 16:50.8 05:25
9 9 256 Adam Olson 12 1 Madison East 16:52.9 05:25
10 10 341 Colin Zauner 12 2 Port Washington 17:00.7 05:28
11 11 340 Evan Ross 11 3 Port Washington 17:03.0 05:28
12 12 284 Connor Boushon 12 1 McFarland 17:07.6 05:30
13 13 338 Jack Hackett 12 4 Port Washington 17:10.1 05:31
14 14 222 Ryan Ahrens 11 1 Janesville Craig 17:10.3 05:31
15 15 269 John Prusynski 12 4 Madison LaFollette 17:16.4 05:33
16 16 275 Aaron Noltemeyer 12 1 Madison Memorial 17:17.5 05:33
17 17 346 Justin Miller 12 2 Sauk Prairie 17:18.4 05:33
18 18 241 Kevin Markwardt 12 2 La Crosse Logan 17:20.4 05:34
19 19 322 Mike Hill 1 Oregon 17:22.8 05:35
20 20 286 Shane Lacy 12 2 McFarland 17:23.7 05:35
21 21 270 Trevor Scharnke 11 5 Madison LaFollette 17:25.3 05:36
25 25 264 Brently Bohn 12 6 Madison LaFollette 17:29.9 05:37
27 27 268 Hayden Lamb 12 7 Madison LaFollette 17:31.7 05:38
35 35 339 Ethan Jones 11 5 Port Washington 17:45.8 05:42
41 41 337 Jeff Bartow 10 6 Port Washington 17:51.9 05:44

Team Scores (23-team field):
1. Madison LaFollette 47 (2-3-6-15-21)
2. Port Washington 74 (5-10-11-13-35)


Also, last night Stevens Point (aka SPASH) won their first meet of the year.

Notable team scores:
1. SPASH 61 (6-9-13-15-18)
2. Neenah 66 (2-4-12-17-31)
3. Marquette 83 (5-10-11-28-29)

SPASH runners:
6 Pliska, John 16:26
9 King, Jordan 16:43
13 Hatton, Nate 16:56
15 Zdroik, Bryan 17:03
18 Cal, Joey 17:11
19 Senefeld, Jack 17:11
26 Przybelski, Paul 17:22


You have the link to those results?

[watchout]

Ongoing list...

Leavey (-35)
Hornet-Red Devil (-30)
Martinsville (+5)
Harrison (+10)
Terre Haute (+20)
Verona (+40)


1. Neuqua Valley IL -- 181.7
200-191-187-177-174-171-168
2. Wheaton North IL -- 177.9
183-182-181-175-175
3. Fishers IN -- 177.1
190-186-177-173-173-169-168
4. Franklin Community IN -- 175.4
192-182-179-175-168
5. Geneva IL -- 174.4
182-176-176-174-172
6. St. Charles North IL -- 174.0
186-180-178-176-166
7. Carmel IN -- 172.0
178-176-174-170-169-167-166
8. McCutcheon IN -- 171.5
177-173-173-172-169
9. Madison LaFollette WI -- 171.4
187-184-177-165-163-163
10. Palatine IL -- 170.4
188-180-171-170-163
11. Lawrence North IN -- 169.9
171-171-170-170-169-169
12. Northridge IN -- 169.1
189-181-171-164-162

[bbop08]

You have the link to those results?

Neenah Invite:
http://wisconsinrunner.com/wccca/individual_result07.php?id=35

Verona Invite:
http://itiming.com/raceresults/289-verona_cc_invite_ovl07.pdf

[watchout]

Neenah Invite:
http://wisconsinrunner.com/wccca/individual_result07.php?id=35

Verona Invite:
http://itiming.com/raceresults/289-verona_cc_invite_ovl07.pdf

Link to Neenah's Invite is bad.

[maverick]

Ongoing list...

Leavey (-35)
Hornet-Red Devil (-30)
Martinsville (+5)
Harrison (+10)
Terre Haute (+20)
Verona (+40)


1. Neuqua Valley IL -- 181.7
200-191-187-177-174-171-168
2. Wheaton North IL -- 177.9
183-182-181-175-175
3. Fishers IN -- 177.1
190-186-177-173-173-169-168
4. Franklin Community IN -- 175.4
192-182-179-175-168
5. Geneva IL -- 174.4
182-176-176-174-172
6. St. Charles North IL -- 174.0
186-180-178-176-166
7. Carmel IN -- 172.0
178-176-174-170-169-167-166
8. McCutcheon IN -- 171.5
177-173-173-172-169
9. Madison LaFollette WI -- 171.4
187-184-177-165-163-163
10. Palatine IL -- 170.4
188-180-171-170-163
11. Lawrence North IN -- 169.9
171-171-170-170-169-169
12. Northridge IN -- 169.1
189-181-171-164-162

interesting to see the WN is #2 and reasonably (i think) close to NV despite having their usual #1 run terrible and be their #7. Dont know if it was just that race or if something is wrong with him.

[watchout]

interesting to see the WN is #2 and reasonably (i think) close to NV despite having their usual #1 run terrible and be their #7. Dont know if it was just that race or if something is wrong with him.

Well, they aren't all that close...


Order would be:

1 NV
2 NV
3 NV
4 WN
5 WN
6 WN
7 NV
8 WN
9 WN
10 NV

dual-style NV wins 23-32.


182 and 178 is actually a sizeable difference. That's about the difference between, say, Geneva and Glenbard South @ IL State '01. The score there was GBS 118 - Geneva 198.

[maverick]

Well, they aren't all that close...


Order would be:

1 NV
2 NV
3 NV
4 WN
5 WN
6 WN
7 NV
8 WN
9 WN
10 NV

dual-style NV wins 23-32.


182 and 178 is actually a sizeable difference. That's about the difference between, say, Geneva and Glenbard South @ IL State '01. The score there was GBS 118 - Geneva 198.

ahh, i didnt know how far apart those speed ratings really were. 4 points seemed kinda close to me. They race next weekend at detweiler anyway and if kadlec is back on track that should be a better test.

[watchout]

ahh, i didnt know how far apart those speed ratings really were. 4 points seemed kinda close to me. They race next weekend at detweiler anyway and if kadlec is back on track that should be a better test.

4 points ~ 12 seconds.

next week should be good..

(before it's asked, no the team ratings aren't simply team averages. NV has about a 6.5 points (20ish seconds) advantage there.)

[KenA55]

http://www.pttiming.com/raceresults.php?eventid=100203

[maverick]

results from peoria woodruff today.

1. Neuqua Valley
1 2 3 14 22 (33) (73) = 42
Derrick, Riddle, Pawola, Grady, Winek, Budnik, Ruff
2. Wheaton North
8 11 12 29 32 (35) (37) = 92
Kadlec, Soderlund, Farnsworth, Kaehr, Mademann, Schlick,
Christensen


christenson is the usual #2 for WN and is right on par with farnsworth, must have had a bad day. Also note that NV had a soph run in the open race that would have been their #5. Results link is below and this is the state course.

http://whstechpro.com/whsinv.aspx

[watchout]

http://www.pttiming.com/raceresults.php?eventid=100203

Estimated Speed ratings:

1. 32 Naperville North ( 15:28 1:17:17)
====================================
1 1 kyle gibson 15:02 = 186
2 2 jon newman 15:05 = 185
3 5 mike herbert 15:28 = 177
4 6 david mcwilliams 15:38 = 174
5 18 jake cusack 16:04 = 165
6 ( 19) bob guthrie 16:09 = 164
7 ( 33) matt weathered 16:40 = 153
8 ( 39) yuan li 16:50 = 150


2. 50 Schaumburg ( 15:42 1:18:29)
====================================
1 4 Nathan Rutz 15:16 = 181
2 10 Pat Lesiewicz 15:45 = 172
3 11 Erich Seimetz 15:47 = 171
4 12 Brian Burkhardt 15:50 = 170
5 13 Phil Allman 15:51 = 170
6 ( 17) Travis Morrison 16:01 = 166
7 ( 26) Nick Penev 16:28 = 157


3. 79 Downers Grove North ( 15:57 1:19:42)
====================================
1 3 Ben Silver 15:10 = 183
2 9 Michael Lifson 15:44 = 172
3 14 Daniel Phistry 15:54 = 169
4 25 Joseph Malik 16:23 = 159
5 28 Joseph Lambert 16:31 = 156
6 ( 31) Jacob Brower 16:34 = 155
7 ( 34) Andrew Becker 16:40 = 153
8 ( 36) Bobby Turnholt 16:44 = 152




Team ratings:

Naperville North 174.3
Schaumburg 170.9

[watchout]

results from peoria woodruff today.

1. Neuqua Valley
1 2 3 14 22 (33) (73) = 42
Derrick, Riddle, Pawola, Grady, Winek, Budnik, Ruff
2. Wheaton North
8 11 12 29 32 (35) (37) = 92
Kadlec, Soderlund, Farnsworth, Kaehr, Mademann, Schlick,
Christensen


christenson is the usual #2 for WN and is right on par with farnsworth, must have had a bad day. Also note that NV had a soph run in the open race that would have been their #5. Results link is below and this is the state course.

http://whstechpro.com/whsinv.aspx



Estimated speed ratings...

1 Christopher Derrick Neuqua Valley 14:26 = 196
2 Jim Riddle Neuqua Valley 14:46 = 190
3 Danny Pawola Neuqua Valley 14:52 = 188
14 Kevin Grady Neuqua Valley 15:21 = 178
22 Bryan Winek Neuqua Valley 15:30 = 175
33 Joshua Budnik Neuqua Valley 15:42 = 171

8 Chase Kadlec Wheaton North 15:12 = 181
11 Justin Soderlund Wheaton North 15:15 = 180
12 Graham Farnsworth Wheaton North 15:18 = 179
29 Andrew Kaehr Wheaton North 15:38 = 172
32 Ryan Mademann Wheaton North 15:40 = 172
35 Brian Schlick Wheaton North 15:46 = 170
37 Collin Christensen Wheaton North 15:49 = 169

9 Andrew Nelson Geneva 15:14 = 180
19 Greg Adelman Geneva 15:28 = 176
21 Evan Ehrhardt Geneva 15:30 = 175
27 Kevin Sparks Geneva 15:35 = 173
41 Andrew Isbell Geneva 15:52 = 168
69 Drew Hickey Geneva 16:17 = 159

5 Chris Desilva St. Charles North 15:01 = 185
13 Michael Strasser St. Charles North 15:19 = 179
23 Scott Speare St. Charles North 15:31 = 175
31 Rhett Morici St. Charles North 15:38 = 172
51 Steven Miller St. Charles North 16:04 = 164
67 Todd Vankerkhoff St. Charles North 16:16 = 160
129 Brad Wheeler St. Charles North 17:01 = 145



Team ratings:
Neuqua Valley 182.0
Wheaton North 175.3
Geneva 172.4
St. Charles North 171.5

[greenman]

Estimated speed ratings...

1 Christopher Derrick Neuqua Valley 14:26 = 196
2 Jim Riddle Neuqua Valley 14:46 = 190
3 Danny Pawola Neuqua Valley 14:52 = 188
14 Kevin Grady Neuqua Valley 15:21 = 178
22 Bryan Winek Neuqua Valley 15:30 = 175
33 Joshua Budnik Neuqua Valley 15:42 = 171

8 Chase Kadlec Wheaton North 15:12 = 181
11 Justin Soderlund Wheaton North 15:15 = 180
12 Graham Farnsworth Wheaton North 15:18 = 179
29 Andrew Kaehr Wheaton North 15:38 = 172
32 Ryan Mademann Wheaton North 15:40 = 172
35 Brian Schlick Wheaton North 15:46 = 170
37 Collin Christensen Wheaton North 15:49 = 169

9 Andrew Nelson Geneva 15:14 = 180
19 Greg Adelman Geneva 15:28 = 176
21 Evan Ehrhardt Geneva 15:30 = 175
27 Kevin Sparks Geneva 15:35 = 173
41 Andrew Isbell Geneva 15:52 = 168
69 Drew Hickey Geneva 16:17 = 159

5 Chris Desilva St. Charles North 15:01 = 185
13 Michael Strasser St. Charles North 15:19 = 179
23 Scott Speare St. Charles North 15:31 = 175
31 Rhett Morici St. Charles North 15:38 = 172
51 Steven Miller St. Charles North 16:04 = 164
67 Todd Vankerkhoff St. Charles North 16:16 = 160
129 Brad Wheeler St. Charles North 17:01 = 145



Team ratings:
Neuqua Valley 182.0
Wheaton North 175.3
Geneva 172.4
St. Charles North 171.5NV's top 3 versus last year's top 5:

2006

1 Evan Jager Jacobs 14:32
2 Daniel Chenoweth Geneseo 14:39
3 Christopher Derrick Neuqua Valley 14:49
4 Tom Robbins Loyola Academy 14:51
5 Jim Riddle Neuqua Valley 15:02

2007

1 Christopher Derrick Neuqua Valley 14:26
2 Jim Riddle Neuqua Valley 14:46
3 Danny Pawola Neuqua Valley 14:52

Jager, Cheno, and Derrick all sub 9:00 last year, Robbins sub 4:10. Cheno an FL finalist.

[westxc]

Estimated Speed ratings:
1 3 Ben Silver 15:10 = 183


any other freshman in the country running this fast?

[watchout]

any other freshman in the country running this fast?

there were a couple (definitely less than 5) last year, no idea for this year so far.

[togorun]

#6 Dexter & Saline at Dreadnaught Invite
1 Dexter 42
2 Saline 44
14 Teams

Dexter
1 Aprill 15:36
3 Bishop 15:46
4 Steavenson 15:59
13 Hess 16:47
21 Metz 17:!2

Saline
5 Johnson 16:00
8 Hernandez 16:36
9 Conn 16:39
10 Hunt 16:42
12 Lippa 16:47

[watchout]

Fishers IN easily wins the Midwest Meet of Champions race.

Event 3 Boys 5k Run CC ROC
================================================== =====================
Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =====================
1 Himelright, Brian 12 Woodridge 15:35.22 1
2 Jackson, Joseph 12 Hill. Darby 15:45.77 2
3 Allen, Cale 12 Fishers 15:47.98 3
4 Shields, Drew 11 Fishers 15:58.56 4
5 Rafailedes, Dave 12 Jackson 15:58.92 5
6 Migliozzi, Tony 12 St. Thomas Aquinas 16:01.22 6
7 Hawes, Travis 9 LaSalle 16:12.19 7
8 Knapik, Scott 11 Hill. Davidson 16:13.41 8
9 Rewick, Kyle 12 Turpin 16:14.84 9
10 El-Khoury, Nicholas 10 Turpin 16:15.75 10



Team Scores
================================================== ===============================
Rank Team Total 1 2 3 4 5 *6 *7 *8 *9
================================================== ===============================
1 Fishers 67 3 4 18 19 23 36 38
Total Time: 1:21:17.26
Average: 16:15.46
2 Woodridge 145 1 25 26 46 47 65 83
Total Time: 1:22:56.50
Average: 16:35.30
3 Hill. Davidson 173 8 13 43 48 61 62 66
Total Time: 1:23:47.63
Average: 16:45.53


3 Allen, Cale 12 Fishers 15:47.98 3
4 Shields, Drew 11 Fishers 15:58.56 4
18 Piggush, Nate 12 Fishers 16:25.86 18
19 Stegman, Tyler 12 Fishers 16:29.27 19
23 Shields, Alex 11 Fishers 16:35.59 23
36 Millares, Josh 9 Fishers 16:50.65 36
38 Caesar, Omavi 10 Fishers 16:52.47 38

[jonesie22]

IN #2 Franklin defeats IN #5 Bloomington North 67-99 in 31 team field

Franklin also ran minus their 3-4 man Jacob Campbell.

Top 50:
1 #1018 Tim Schoch 12 Blgtn North HS 5:03.9 15:44.00 1
2 #1010 Michael Hoffmann 12 Blgtn North HS 5:04.6 15:46.07 2
3 #1562 Sean Wilson 12 Franklin Community 5:04.7 15:46.50 3
4 #1270 Zach Mayhew 12 Terre Haute North 5:06.5 15:52.08 4
5 #692 Tyler Byrne 10 North Harrison 5:11.1 16:06.43 5
6 #1560 Ricky Warren 12 Franklin Community 5:11.7 16:08.42 6
7 #1006 Andrew Buzzelli 11 Blgtn North HS 5:12.1 16:09.60 7
8 #1159 Rod Lammers 12 NC (Indy) 5:19.2 16:31.71 8
9 #1559 Zach Tranter 11 Franklin Community 5:21.1 16:37.54 9
10 #1292 Andrew Sullivan 12 Terre Haute South 5:21.3 16:38.04 10
11 #1202 Matt Cain 12 Pike 5:22.5 16:41.78 11
12 #1235 Sean McGuire 12 Roncalli 5:23.1 16:43.83 12
13 #1040 Joe Holahan 11 Blgtn South HS 5:23.9 16:46.19 13
14 #1074 Dan Coats 12 Jeffersonville 5:24.1 16:46.67 14
15 #634 Blake Hover 11 Edgewood HS 5:24.8 16:48.87 15
16 #1311 Dustin Neff 11 Westfield 5:24.9 16:49.14 16
17 #704 Brendan Chwalek 11 Silver Creek 5:24.9 16:49.39 17
18 #1009 Wesley Drake 12 Blgtn North HS 5:25.1 16:50.02 18
19 #1247 Zack McAdams 12 Seymour 5:25.3 16:50.62 19
20 #1051 Will Cox 12 Floyd Central 5:25.7 16:51.86 20
21 #1164 David Marcus 12 NC (Indy) 5:26.4 16:53.83 21
22 #1067 Sam Mires 11 Floyd Central 5:27.3 16:56.75 22
23 #1561 Geoff Wilkerson 12 Franklin Community 5:27.5 16:57.24 23
24 #1275 Brandon Query 11 Terre Haute North 5:29.2 17:02.73 24
25 #1210 Michael Jordan 11 Pike 5:30.6 17:06.85 25
26 #1549 Nick Hukill 12 Franklin Community 5:30.8 17:07.54 26
27 #1103 Spencer Sheridan 12 Lawrence Central 5:30.9 17:07.82 27
28 #1314 Colby Shiver 10 Westfield 5:30.9 17:08.05 28
29 #1309 Connor Martin 9 Westfield 5:31.0 17:08.30 29
30 #1031 Justin Chen 10 Blgtn South HS 5:31.1 17:08.66 30
31 #1069 Will Naville 12 Floyd Central 5:33.6 17:16.36 31
32 #1122 Taylor Lowry 10 Martinsville HS 5:33.9 17:17.23 32
33 #1058 Daniel Huhnerkoch 11 Floyd Central 5:36.0 17:23.73 33
34 #1100 Taylor Marshall 11 Lawrence Central 5:36.1 17:24.04 34
35 #1114 Bryant Layman 11 Madison 5:36.8 17:26.15 35
36 #1269 John Mascari 9 Terre Haute North 5:36.9 17:26.62 36
37 #1243 Nolan Fife 10 Seymour 5:37.1 17:27.25 37
38 #705 Jack Eckert 10 Silver Creek 5:37.3 17:27.87 38
39 #1043 Josh Murphy 12 Blgtn South HS 5:37.5 17:28.42 39
40 #1186 Simon Quinkert 10 New Albany 5:37.8 17:29.35 40
41 #1157 Kris Kinkead 12 NC (Indy) 5:38.0 17:30.02 41
42 #1180 Christiaan Everhar 12 New Albany 5:38.2 17:30.70 42
43 #1216 Max Nommay 11 Pike 5:38.4 17:31.36 43
44 #639 Cole Reinhold 9 Edgewood HS 5:39.5 17:34.69 44
45 #1181 Jason Holcomb 10 New Albany 5:39.6 17:35.09 45
46 #1262 Milton Brinza 9 Terre Haute North 5:40.1 17:36.65 46
47 #1154 Connor Geshay 10 NC (Indy) 5:40.3 17:37.10 47
48 #1140 Mike Mead 11 Mt. Vernon 5:40.4 17:37.54 48
49 #1265 Brian Depasse 9 Terre Haute North 5:40.6 17:38.06 49
50 #1115 Matt Astleford 11 Martinsville HS 5:41.1 17:39.69 50

[RainFoot]

Girls Results from Peroia Woodruff:

MW#2 Westfield, IN, 87 [1st place]
IL#5 NN, IL, 117 [2nd place]
IL#12 DGS, IL, 134 [3rd place]
IL#6 WN, IL, 168 [4th place]
IL#23 Woodstock, IL, 187 [5th place]
IL#8 Barrington, IL, 210 [6th place]
IL#3 Lockport, IL, 232 [7th place]
NC, IL, 239 [8th place]
IL#22 Conant, IL, 252 [9th place]

full results at http://whstechpro.com/whsinv.aspx

[Dyenimator]

Fremont at their own invitational (Hill & Bale)

Erik Westbrook 16:14
James Lanciaux 16:22
Mike Morgan 16:35
Davis Lindsay 16:49
Andrew Zahrt 17:39
Jake Featherstone 18:08
Matt Carlson 18:24

I've collected about 40 runners from this invite that have gone on to run at MI States and collectively this course has averaged out to be 40 seconds slower.

[illinirun]

Estimated speed ratings...

1 Christopher Derrick Neuqua Valley 14:26 = 196
2 Jim Riddle Neuqua Valley 14:46 = 190
3 Danny Pawola Neuqua Valley 14:52 = 188
14 Kevin Grady Neuqua Valley 15:21 = 178
22 Bryan Winek Neuqua Valley 15:30 = 175
33 Joshua Budnik Neuqua Valley 15:42 = 171

8 Chase Kadlec Wheaton North 15:12 = 181
11 Justin Soderlund Wheaton North 15:15 = 180
12 Graham Farnsworth Wheaton North 15:18 = 179
29 Andrew Kaehr Wheaton North 15:38 = 172
32 Ryan Mademann Wheaton North 15:40 = 172
35 Brian Schlick Wheaton North 15:46 = 170
37 Collin Christensen Wheaton North 15:49 = 169

9 Andrew Nelson Geneva 15:14 = 180
19 Greg Adelman Geneva 15:28 = 176
21 Evan Ehrhardt Geneva 15:30 = 175
27 Kevin Sparks Geneva 15:35 = 173
41 Andrew Isbell Geneva 15:52 = 168
69 Drew Hickey Geneva 16:17 = 159

5 Chris Desilva St. Charles North 15:01 = 185
13 Michael Strasser St. Charles North 15:19 = 179
23 Scott Speare St. Charles North 15:31 = 175
31 Rhett Morici St. Charles North 15:38 = 172
51 Steven Miller St. Charles North 16:04 = 164
67 Todd Vankerkhoff St. Charles North 16:16 = 160
129 Brad Wheeler St. Charles North 17:01 = 145



Team ratings:
Neuqua Valley 182.0
Wheaton North 175.3
Geneva 172.4
St. Charles North 171.5

what would the team ratings be if you have christenson running about a 15 10 and clink about a 15 35

[watchout]

what would the team ratings be if you have christenson running about a 15 10 and clink about a 15 35

177.3 and 174.8

[watchout]

Fremont at their own invitational (Hill & Bale)

Erik Westbrook 16:14
James Lanciaux 16:22
Mike Morgan 16:35
Davis Lindsay 16:49
Andrew Zahrt 17:39
Jake Featherstone 18:08
Matt Carlson 18:24

I've collected about 40 runners from this invite that have gone on to run at MI States and collectively this course has averaged out to be 40 seconds slower.

If that holds, the speed ratings would be:

182
179
175
170
154

Team: 167.6

[XCCowboy]

what would the team ratings be if you have christenson running about a 15 10 and clink about a 15 35

I don't see Collin Christenson beating Kadlec too often. Yes Kadlec had a bad race ( alledgedly real bad cramps ) at Leavey. He was in the lead pack at the 1.5 mile mark. Looks like Collin struggled at Woodruff. But Collin is their 2-4 man. Either way Wheaton North is looking real good right now. Plugging Collin in as #2 with a 180 raises team score to 177.0

As for SCN. factoring in Clink basically puts them in a dead heat with Geneva, which is about right (Clink at 173 raises team to a 174.5 ). The difference will be how far ahead will Desilva be ahead of Nelson. Geneva is still a young team too, only two seniors and a real solid soph and freshman group coming up.

[DetroiterInIL]

#6 Dexter & Saline at Dreadnaught Invite
1 Dexter 42
2 Saline 44
14 Teams

Dexter
1 Aprill 15:36
3 Bishop 15:46
4 Steavenson 15:59
13 Hess 16:47
21 Metz 17:!2

Saline
5 Johnson 16:00
8 Hernandez 16:36
9 Conn 16:39
10 Hunt 16:42
12 Lippa 16:47

Watchout,

Haven't seen speed ratings for this one; does the course exist in your "database"?

[DetroiterInIL]

Posting this so I don't lose it if my laptop dies..

Speed ratings for Hornet-Red Devil (-30)

Derrick NV 200
Riddle NV 191
Pawola NV 187
Grady NV 177
Ruff NV 174
Budnik NV 171
Winek NV 168

1 Christopher Derrick Neuqua Valley 14:26 = 196
2 Jim Riddle Neuqua Valley 14:46 = 190
3 Danny Pawola Neuqua Valley 14:52 = 188
14 Kevin Grady Neuqua Valley 15:21 = 178
22 Bryan Winek Neuqua Valley 15:30 = 175
33 Joshua Budnik Neuqua Valley 15:42 = 171


Interesting to see Neuqua Valley, one of the top teams in the MW, results in 2 consecutive weeks - on a "speed rating" basis.

To me, this seems like strong consistency. Although, I'll admit, I'm not entirely sure what a "big difference" is in speed ratings.

How does Derrick compare to the best in the country at this point?

[Dyenimator]

Watchout,

Haven't seen speed ratings for this one; does the course exist in your "database"?

I have Dexter at 184.7 and Saline at 181.7. Then again I have the MI state course set at 900, watchout has it at 880. My limited research of this invite/course (24 results from 2005) has it running about 25 seconds slower than MI states.

EDIT: This means watchout would have Dexter at 178 and Saline at 175. I wouldn't take those too seriously though, the sample size of comparisons that I have is way too low.

[watchout]

Interesting to see Neuqua Valley, one of the top teams in the MW, results in 2 consecutive weeks - on a "speed rating" basis.

To me, this seems like strong consistency. Although, I'll admit, I'm not entirely sure what a "big difference" is in speed ratings.

How does Derrick compare to the best in the country at this point?

Of those I've looked at so far (which isn't all that much yet)...

1. Luke Puskedra UT 207 (this is the level of a FLN Champion at FLN. I asked Meylan to do his own speed ratings of his invites, and he was estimating just a little less -- between 204 and 206)

2. Evan Appel CO 202

3. Chris Derrick IL 198 (his average)

4. Ben Johnson NM 196


I haven't really looked at any other elites.. but that's VERY good at the top, usually it's lower (guys like Tommy Gruenewald were around 194-196 to start the season, for example, and Jager was around 196 too)

[watchout]

I have Dexter at 184.7 and Saline at 181.7. Then again I have the MI state course set at 900, watchout has it at 880. My limited research of this invite/course (24 results from 2005) has it running about 25 seconds slower than MI states.

EDIT: This means watchout would have Dexter at 178 and Saline at 175. I wouldn't take those too seriously though, the sample size of comparisons that I have is way too low.

Thanks for the edit.

Yeah, I haven't really looked into it yet, but those ratings seem fairly close to what I would guess without looking at it.

[Dyenimator]

Maverick Darling 15:14 today on a course set at 902 according to watchout's scale.

[watchout]

From the Spartan Invite, these were the estimated speed ratings I got ... Dyenimator, these close to your numbers?


(course rating ~905)

Pinckney -- 171.6
183
178
173
164
157
148

Fremont --169.5
189
177
176
171
158
146
146

Saline -- 169.8
184
177
174
167
163
162
150

Williamston -- 167.6
187
185
170
159
159
153
137

Milford -- 162.9
176
171
166
160
157
143
140

[Dyenimator]

Yours are 5.7 lower. 905 is a solid estimation. I'm gonna stick with 902 for myself though, I have more time to be more exact since I'm only concentrating on one state.

[watchout]

alright, sounds good then

[JMegs13]

Stevens Point (OTW/WI#2) dominated the Smiley Invite, winning 35-150 over WI#16 Homestead. The course has always been pretty challenging, and their times confirm that.

SPASH
1. Pliska 16:23
4. Przybelski 16:43
6. Hatton 16:45
9. Zdroik 16:55
15. King 17:09

Full results: http://www.pttiming.com/raceresults/100209-Boys_D1_Combined.pdf

Madison LaFollette (WI#1/MW#7) was very impressive at the Marquette Invite, topping the hosts Marquette (WI#6) 40-59. LaFollette had a 31-second 5-man spread, 12-second 4-man spread, and they averaged 16:13. Neenah (WI#3) came in 3rd and West Bend West (new OTW/WI#4) was 4th.

LaFollette
4. Prusynski 16:03
5. Brill 16:03
7. Buchanan 16:13
9. Eklof 16:15
15. Lamb 16:34
Team Score: 40

Marquette
2. Jones 15:56
10. Casey 16:15
13. Possi 16:28
14. Megna 16:32
20. Sweeney 16:53
Team Score: 59

Neenah
1. Christiansen 15:41
3. Behnke 16:03
29. Parker 17:12
31. Houston 17:14
35. Gruse 17:18
Team Score: 99

West Bend West
18. Rogers 16:47
23. Theis 16:57
24. Lache 16:57
27. Kautza 17:08
28. Baumann 17:11
Team Score: 120

I don't know if or when full results will be online.

[DetroiterInIL]

#4 NN ran at the Peoria Notre Dame Invite today against some of the best teams in IL. Tight victory over unranked (in MW) Palatine. Should be able to provide some speed rankings - since its Detweiller.

http://www.peorianotredame.com/

Follow link to Richard Spring Classic...

[watchout]

Speed ratings for the top teams at PND...

Naperville North -- 177.9
189
186
181
177
171
169
164

Palatine -- 177.6
189
181
180
177
173
172
168

Hersey -- 175.6
193
189
181
169
167
160
158

Lyons Township -- 174.3
184
184
177
174
166
166

Schaumburg -- 172.7
184
182
174
169
167
159



And probably most importantly, 6 IL teams likely scored at-large points today, as HL#1 Pleasant Valley finished 7th with at least 4 of their top 5 at the meet.

[imPERSONater]

I know that it is very unlikely for Michigan teams to be able to compete at Nationals, but does anyone know if MHSAA has any problem with them competing at the Regional meet? Any info. anyone has on that would be great. Thanks

[IRunSometimes.]

Speed ratings for the top teams at PND...

Naperville North -- 177.9
189
186
181
177
171
169
164

Palatine -- 177.6
189
181
180
177
173
172
168

Hersey -- 175.6
193
189
181
169
167
160
158

Lyons Township -- 174.3
184
184
177
174
166
166

Schaumburg -- 172.7
184
182
174
169
167
159



And probably most importantly, 6 IL teams likely scored at-large points today, as HL#1 Pleasant Valley finished 7th with at least 4 of their top 5 at the meet.

The speed ratings for times this week was different (-3ish) from last week. Did you do this on purpose b/c of better condidtions?

[watchout]

The speed ratings for times this week was different (-3ish) from last week. Did you do this on purpose b/c of better condidtions?

Yes.

Both are estimates, the difference might be less than 3ish points (10 seconds), but everything up till state will be rounded to the nearest 5th second. Woodruff rated 855, PND rated 845. (for comparison, state last year was 837 and most years since '96 is ~850)

[pr25]

St. John's gets Miller back, takes down #9 Medina. The big surprise to me however is the amount of super fast runs by so many freshman, Carbajal especially! He's got to be the fastst frosh in the country so far at 15:37, only 20 seconds behind Miller.

[taco]

St. John's gets Miller back, takes down #9 Medina. The big surprise to me however is the amount of super fast runs by so many freshman, Carbajal especially! He's got to be the fastst frosh in the country so far at 15:37, only 20 seconds behind Miller.

No he doesnt theres a frosh at the meet i was at today who ran 15:29. Goes to Mason High School in Ohio. name is Zach Wills.

results from that meet here: http://www.alliancerunning.com/boysblack07.txt

lasalle from Ohio (went to NTN last year) has a frosh that ran 15:53 i think at Trinity Invitaional today.

[watchout]

St. Joe's is much better this year than last year... but it will still be a REAL tough battle to get to NTN!

[pr25]

St. Joe's is much better this year than last year... but it will still be a REAL tough battle to get to NTN!
St. John's?;)
And yeah Wills did run faster but I have a hard time believing he'd beat him head to head judging by some common opponents. Carbajal was only 20 seconds behind Miller, who was the 8th underclassman at FLMW last year.

Edit: after looking at some more common opponents it looks like they beat them by about the same amount. When do they race head to head?

[watchout]

St. John's?;)

:D yeah them too

[maverick]

here are all the speed ratings that Watchout has put together compiled onto this thread.

1. Neuqua Valley IL 182.0
2T. Wheaton North IL -- 177.9
2T. Naperville North IL-- 177.9
4. Palatine IL-- 177.6
5. Fishers IN -- 177.1
6. Hersey IL-- 175.6
7. Franklin Community IN -- 175.4
8. Geneva IL -- 174.4
9. Lyons Township IL-- 174.3
10. St. Charles North IL -- 174.0
11. Schaumburg IL-- 172.7
12. Carmel IN -- 172.0
13. Pinckney MI -- 171.6
14. McCutcheon IN -- 171.5
15. Madison LaFollette WI -- 171.4
16. Lawrence North IN -- 169.9
17. Saline MI -- 169.8
18. Fremont MI --169.5
19. Northridge IN -- 169.1
20. Williamston MI-- 167.6
21. Milford MI-- 162.9

[watchout]

here are all the speed ratings that Watchout has put together compiled onto this thread.

1. Neuqua Valley IL 182.0
2T. Wheaton North IL -- 177.9
2T. Naperville North IL-- 177.9
4. Palatine IL-- 177.6
5. Fishers IN -- 177.1
6. Hersey IL-- 175.6
7. Franklin Community IN -- 175.4
8. Geneva IL -- 174.4
9. Lyons Township IL-- 174.3
10. St. Charles North IL -- 174.0
11. Schaumburg IL-- 172.7
12. Carmel IN -- 172.0
13. Pinckney MI -- 171.6
14. McCutcheon IN -- 171.5
15. Madison LaFollette WI -- 171.4
16. Lawrence North IN -- 169.9
17. Saline MI -- 169.8
18. Fremont MI --169.5
19. Northridge IN -- 169.1
20. Williamston MI-- 167.6
21. Milford MI-- 162.9

Are those all the top marks from each team?

[maverick]

Are those all the top marks from each team?

i believe it is? The only ratings i know are ones you posted.

[Dyenimator]

Dexter
Aprill 15:14
Bishop 15:41
Steavenson 15:53
Metz 16:58
Hess 16:58

Ann Arbor Pioneer
Culbertson 15:50
Cavell 16:09
N Kern 16:15
A Kern 16:40
Deluca 16:47

The conditions were absolutely perfect, I'd have the course at 910.
Pioneer also had a JV guy run a 16:46 all alone.

[DetroiterInIL]

Dexter
Aprill 15:14
Bishop 15:41
Steavenson 15:53
Metz 16:58
Hess 16:58

Ann Arbor Pioneer
Culbertson 15:50
Cavell 16:09
N Kern 16:15
A Kern 16:40
Deluca 16:47

Not very "Dexter-like". Great runs by the big 3; especially Aprill - that's one heck of a time... but usually Dexter has a tighter pack. The distance between #3 and #4 is pretty big. Do they have someone missing? Or will they need to get some improvement after the big 3?

[XCCowboy]

And probably most importantly, 6 IL teams likely scored at-large points today, as HL#1 Pleasant Valley finished 7th with at least 4 of their top 5 at the meet.

Yeah, and that's 6 teams without Neuqua, York, Wheaton North, Geneva, and St Charles North. So 11 Illinois teams most likely ahead of HL #2 Iowa's Pleasant Valley.

[watchout]

i believe it is? The only ratings i know are ones you posted.

I meant were those the best that I had posted (which are all the ones I've done).

I may be adding more later.

[maverick]

I meant were those the best that I had posted (which are all the ones I've done).

I may be adding more later.

that is all that you have posted that are in this thread. I didnt go looking in other threads.

[watchout]

Port Washington WI ran ~169 (+/- 2 points, I didn't check it exactly but it's on the FLMW course so I have a decent idea with a little variation)

[bbop08]

here are all the speed ratings that Watchout has put together compiled onto this thread.

1. Neuqua Valley IL 182.0
2T. Wheaton North IL -- 177.9
2T. Naperville North IL-- 177.9
4. Palatine IL-- 177.6
5. Fishers IN -- 177.1
6. Hersey IL-- 175.6
7. Franklin Community IN -- 175.4
8. Geneva IL -- 174.4
9. Lyons Township IL-- 174.3
10. St. Charles North IL -- 174.0
11. Schaumburg IL-- 172.7
12. Carmel IN -- 172.0
13. Pinckney MI -- 171.6
14. McCutcheon IN -- 171.5
15. Madison LaFollette WI -- 171.4
16. Lawrence North IN -- 169.9
17. Saline MI -- 169.8
18. Fremont MI --169.5
19. Northridge IN -- 169.1
20. Williamston MI-- 167.6
21. Milford MI-- 162.9

There seems to be a trend here :rolleyes:

[watchout]

There seems to be a trend here :rolleyes:

you can prove me wrong in November. :)

[JMegs13]

you can prove me wrong in November. :)
It's too bad you don't have the Marquette course incorporated in your system. LaFollette was way better than 171 today.

[maverick]

There seems to be a trend here :rolleyes:

what im seeing is that IL owns everyone else in the region.

[watchout]

It's too bad you don't have the Marquette course incorporated in your system. LaFollette was way better than 171 today.

If there were enough teams that I've already ranked, or had in my pre-season files, I can add it in.

[JMegs13]

If there were enough teams that I've already ranked, or had in my pre-season files, I can add it in.
I think it was just Marquette, unless you only need three and have Neenah in your files?

[bbop08]

what im seeing is that IL owns everyone else in the region.

"Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before stumbling."
Proverbs 16:18 :rolleyes:

[watchout]

I think it was just Marquette, unless you only need three and have Neenah in your files?

I need about 15 runners, and I do have 3 or 4 of Neenah's runners in there. But I would need more than just those 7-10 runners.

[JMegs13]

I need about 15 runners, and I do have 3 or 4 of Neenah's runners in there. But I would need more than just those 7-10 runners.
You have LaFollette's 5 or 6, 5 of Marquette's, 3-4 Neenah's. Is that enough? I could provide you with some 3200 times of some other Marquette guys that raced if necessary. It was by far LaFollette's best performance of the year-to-date, so I think it would be to your database's benefit to see how good it was.

[jonesie22]

Big one in Indiana this past weekend as 12 ranked teams went at it including #1-2 Franklin and Fishers. It was a chance for runners to see the new Indianapolis semi-state course and they both ran in separate races. I have them combined on here for comparing purposes.

Here are the results and you may want to take a look at a couple other Indiana teams just in case.

Fast course!

*NOTE* Fishers ran without two of their top seven.
1 1 802 Cale Allen SR Fishers 15:30
2 2 921 Zack Gates SR Hamilton Southeaster 15:34
3 3 1195 David Eichenberger SR Plainfield 15:35
4 4 860 Scott Lasiter JR Franklin Central 15:40
5 5 892 Sean Wilson SR Franklin Community 15:42
6 6 701 Hale O Herren SO Cathedral 15:46
7 7 890 Ricky Warren SR Franklin Community 15:46
8 8 670 Joe Holahan JR Bloomington South 15:48
9 9 819 Nate Piggush SR Fishers 15:52
10 10 1272 Lance Nelson SO Southport 15:53
11 11 760 John Pence SR Columbus North 15:55
12 12 1073 Colin Dunlap SR Noblesville 15:58
13 13 651 Andy Wilson SR Ben Davis 16:00
14 14 889 Zach Tranter JR Franklin Community 16:00
15 15 967 Ross Ochs SO Huntington North 16:07
16 16 870 Joe Talhelm JR Franklin Central 16:07
17 17 740 Evan Raker JR Center Grove 16:07
18 18 1118 Rod Lammers SR North Central 16:10
19 19 752 Zach Gates JR Columbus North 16:10
20 20 1070 Blake Dircksen JR Noblesville 16:11
21 21 1347 Colby Shiver NA Westfield 16:13
22 22 1344 Dustin Neff NA Westfield 16:15
23 23 705 James Ricker SO Cathedral 16:16
24 24 763 Evan Scruton SO Columbus North 16:18
25 25 858 Zach Jenkins JR Franklin Central 16:18
26 26 1165 Matt Cain SR Pike ( Indpls) 16:19
27 27 741 Ben Serna SR Center Grove 16:23
28 28 822 Alex Shields JR Fishers 16:24
29 29 626 Chris Surfus JR Avon 16:25
30 30 1230 Sean McGuire SR Roncalli 16:25
31 31 637 Traishaun Johnson SO Ben Davis 16:26
32 32 816 Josh Millares FR Fishers 16:26
33 33 925 Evan Hitchcock JR Hamilton Southeaster 16:27
34 34 1019 Pierce Kuhl SR Lawrence North 16:27
35 35 649 Donavan White SR Ben Davis 16:29
36 36 1086 Cody Marowski SO Noblesville 16:30
37 37 806 Omavi Caesar SO Fishers 16:31
38 38 1173 Michael Jordan FR Pike ( Indpls) 16:32
39 39 961 Josh Graham SO Huntington North 16:33
40 40 1342 Connor Martin NA Westfield 16:34
41 41 1248 Zack McAdams SR Seymour 16:35
42 42 1123 David Marcus SR North Central 16:35
43 43 1060 Jordan Scocozza JR New Palestine 16:35
44 44 661 Justin Chen SO Bloomington South 16:35
45 45 1142 Jonny Duty SR Perry Meridian 16:37
46 46 962 Mark Herber SR Huntington North 16:37
47 47 786 Bill Digman SR Delta 16:38
48 48 695 Joe Kluemper SR Cathedral 16:39
49 49 713 Greg Bantista SR Center Grove 16:40
50 50 717 Nathan Catt SO Center Grove 16:40
51 51 729 Andrew Kinman SR Center Grove 16:40
52 52 1066 Aaron Becker SR Noblesville 16:41
53 53 761 Matt Ryan SR Columbus North 16:41
54 54 1041 Tim Spurlock JR New Castle Chrysler 16:42
55 55 1030 Eric Thaman SR Lawrence North 16:43
56 56 1160 Lance Young SO Perry Meridian 16:43
57 57 1234 Alex Schoettle SO Roncalli 16:44
58 58 1029 Scott Stanley FR Lawrence North 16:45
59 59 891 Geoff Wilkerson SR Franklin Community 16:45
60 60 943 Ross Roberson JR Hamilton Southeaster 16:45
61 61 831 Ramon Chairez JR Frankfort 16:47
62 62 1011 Christopher Boyd SR Lawrence North 16:49
63 63 673 Josh Murphy SR Bloomington South 16:49
64 64 1375 Kevin McCarthy SR Zionsville Community 16:49
65 65 758 Gabe Ocasio FR Columbus North 16:50
66 66 998 Taylor Marshall SR Lawrence Central 16:51
67 67 1113 Connor Geshay SO North Central 16:52
68 68 879 Nick Hukill SR Franklin Community 16:52
69 69 753 Tim Hofmeister FR Columbus North 16:52
70 70 1035 Quentin Goodin SR New Castle Chrysler 16:55
71 71 950 Scott Spillman JR Hamilton Southeaster 16:55
72 72 1137 Julian Toumey SO North Central 16:57
73 73 959 Sam Doughty FR Huntington North 16:57
74 74 1023 Brad Murrell SR Lawrence North 16:57
75 75 978 Jake Farrell JR Lafayette Jeff 16:58
76 76 644 Nicholas Sefton SR Ben Davis 16:58
77 77 1013 Matt Farkas SO Lawrence North 16:58
78 78 862 Andrew Miniear SR Franklin Central 16:58
79 79 1256 David Schulz JR Seymour 16:59
80 80 1138 Ethan Wellin JR North Central 16:59
81 81 1262 Michael Gearhart JR Southport 16:59
82 82 968 Austin Roberts SO Huntington North 16:59
83 83 615 Ryan Griesenauer SO Avon 17:00
84 84 1260 David Camp SO Southport 17:00
85 85 1270 Daniel Morris JR Southport 17:00
86 86 788 Josh Farmer JR Delta 17:01
87 87 1139 Kameron Casey FR Perry Meridian 17:03
88 88 1043 Adrian Tucker SR New Castle Chrysler 17:05
89 89 748 Corbin Brooks SO Columbus North 17:06
90 90 1376 Riley McElwain SR Zionsville Community 17:06
91 91 874 Michael Whyde SO Franklin Central 17:06
92 92 1343 Shay McDowell NA Westfield 17:07
93 93 809 Dylan Dale SO Fishers 17:07
94 94 1236 Zach Zobel JR Roncalli 17:08
95 95 1116 Kris Kinkead SR North Central 17:08
96 96 1001 Spencer Sheridan SR Lawrence Central 17:08
97 97 828 Jeff Vibbert JR Fishers 17:09
98 829 Ryan Wells JR Fishers 17:09
99 98 1210 Andrew Wilhelm SO Plainfield 17:11
100 99 1169 Tyler Dennis JR Pike ( Indpls) 17:11

[jonesie22]

Had the two races been run together, the team results would have looked like this...
1. #1 Fishers - 107
2. #2 Franklin - 153
3. #12 Columbus North - 172
4. #11 Center Grove - 194
5. #17 Franklin Central - 214
6. #9 Noblesville - 221
7. #20 Huntington North - 255
8. #25 Westfield - 275
9. #23 North Central (Indianapolis) - 279
10. Hamilton Southeastern - 280
11. #14 Lawrence North - 283
12. #15 Ben Davis - 307
13. Indianapolis Cathedral - 331
14. Southport - 375
15. Bloomington South - 414
16. Perry Meridian - 433
17. Pike - 464
18. Roncalli - 465
19. New Castle - 469
20. Seymour - 511
21. Zionsville - 513
22. Delta - 541
23. Plainfield - 559
24. Avon - 585
25. Lawrence Central - 605
26. Frankfort - 656
27. New Palestine - 703
28. Warren Central - 711
29. Lafayette Jefferson - 787
30. Hamilton Heights - 860
31. Danville - 995
32. Tri-West - 1006

[jonesie22]

Two more of Indiana's best, McCutcheon and LaPorte went head to head Saturday at New Prairie...

1 #1089 Fout, Mike 12 LaPorte 4:53.6 15:12.10 1
2 #2415 Mercer, Ladd 12 Northridge 5:04.1 15:44.64 2
3 #456 Luttrell, Walter 12 Day. Christian 5:04.2 15:44.93 3
4 #455 Luttrell, John 12 Day. Christian 5:04.8 15:46.96 4
5 #1336 Padgett, Craig 12 Mishawaka 5:06.0 15:50.42 5
6 #469 Morrow, Nate 12 DeKalb 5:06.4 15:51.93 6
7 #1097 Miller, Matt 11 LaPorte 5:09.3 16:00.83 7
8 #1224 Hodgen, JR 12 McCutcheon 5:12.5 16:10.78 8
9 #1231 Russell, Ross 11 McCutcheon 5:13.1 16:12.59 9
10 #333 Osborn, David 10 Chesterton 5:14.7 16:17.74 10
11 #272 Martin, James 09 Carroll (Fort Wa 5:15.1 16:18.95 11
12 #1095 Lovekin, Kiel 12 LaPorte 5:15.3 16:19.41 12
13 #2421 Keyser, Mitch 11 Northridge 5:15.6 16:20.51 13
14 #2137 Pack, Caleb 11 Warren Central 5:16.0 16:21.65 14
15 #20 Bennett, Jake 12 Andrean 5:16.1 16:22.02 15
16 #1101 Toll, Tyler 12 LaPorte 5:16.8 16:24.10 16
17 #464 Baker, Zeth 11 DeKalb 5:17.0 16:24.74 17
18 #545 Roscoe, Lucas 11 Elkhart Central 5:17.2 16:25.32 18
19 #1437 Williams, Blake 12 Munster 5:17.7 16:26.80 19
20 #339 Vanek, Chester 12 Chesterton 5:17.8 16:27.22 20
21 #1223 Escalera, Al 11 McCutcheon 5:18.0 16:27.82 21
22 #268 Kilmer, Austin 11 Carroll (Fort Wa 5:19.5 16:32.67 22
23 #468 Morrow, Andrew 12 DeKalb 5:19.7 16:33.24 23
24 #2431 Moore, Trevor 09 Northridge 5:20.4 16:35.44 24
25 #393 Kolavo, Joe 12 Crown Point 5:20.7 16:36.25 25
26 #1282 Braddy, Robert 12 Michigan City 5:21.0 16:37.32 26
27 #1432 Platt, Brooks 09 Munster 5:21.1 16:37.61 27
28 #1656 Wu, Lance 12 Penn 5:21.9 16:40.09 28
29 #1061 Pratt, Kenton 12 Lake Central 5:22.5 16:41.93 29
30 #2419 Bontrager, Taylor 11 Northridge 5:22.7 16:42.45 30
31 #269 Kleber, Robert 11 Carroll (Fort Wa 5:22.9 16:43.13 31
32 #2125 Pope, Brendan 11 Valparaiso 5:23.0 16:43.53 32
33 #565 Dorsey, Race 11 Memorial, Elkhart 5:23.2 16:43.95 33
34 #1218 Cardwell, Alex 12 McCutcheon 5:23.3 16:44.40 34
35 #1235 Stewart, Robert 11 McCutcheon 5:24.0 16:46.37 35
36 #1879 Amberg, Bryce 11 South Bend Clay 5:24.3 16:47.57 36
37 #1287 Fine, Nolan 12 Michigan City 5:24.5 16:48.00 37
38 #350 Clark, Ben 11 Concord 5:24.7 16:48.65 38
39 #277 Nussa, Michael 11 Carroll (Fort Wa 5:24.8 16:49.13 39
40 #1265 Massa, Corbin 12 Merrillville 5:25.1 16:49.94 40
41 #1422 Gehrig, Matt 11 Munster 5:25.3 16:50.65 41
42 #2139 Wenrich, Orion 12 Warren Central 5:25.5 16:51.28 42
43 #322 Halpin, Thomas 09 Chesterton 5:25.8 16:52.18 43
44 #1301 Strader, Philip 11 Michigan City 5:26.4 16:53.81 44
45 #2417 Yoder, Tony 12 Northridge 5:26.5 16:54.17 45
46 #1418 Burgwald, James 12 Munster 5:26.6 16:54.47 46
47 #2132 Aldrich, Micah 12 Warren Central 5:26.7 16:54.80 47
48 #1066 St Amour, Matt 12 Lake Central 5:26.8 16:55.11 48
49 #466 Fisher, Austin 11 DeKalb 5:27.0 16:55.95 49
50 #405 Urevig, Zack 12 Crown Point 5:27.3 16:56.90 50
51 #1257 Caruana, Daniel 12 Merrillville 5:27.8 16:58.15 51
52 #257 Card, Nick 11 Carroll (Fort Wa 5:28.1 16:59.32 52
53 #809 Criswell, Seth 11 Harrison (West L 5:28.3 16:59.98 53
54 #392 Koch, Logan 12 Crown Point 5:28.5 17:00.60 54
55 #571 Longacre, Kevin 11 Memorial, Elkhart 5:28.7 17:01.00 55
56 #2160 goshert, cody 11 Warsaw Community 5:28.8 17:01.36 56
57 #1416 Andjelich, Jovan 12 Munster 5:28.9 17:01.70 57
58 #1335 Melton, Rob 12 Mishawaka 5:29.0 17:01.93 58
59 #2418 Albert, Andrew 11 Northridge 5:29.1 17:02.46 59
60 #324 Kenney, Shane 10 Chesterton 5:29.3 17:03.11 60
61 #1625 Bontrager, Ben 12 Penn 5:29.5 17:03.47 61
62 #1330 Eberhardt, Ryan 12 Mishawaka 5:29.6 17:03.75 62
63 #465 Berry, Aaron 11 DeKalb 5:29.6 17:04.02 63
64 #1884 Dennig, Steven 09 South Bend Clay 5:29.9 17:04.75 64
65 #2104 Burgess, Matt 11 Valparaiso 5:30.2 17:05.87 65
66 #1920 LaFree, Chris 10 South Bend Riley 5:30.4 17:06.45 66
67 #2135 Doerflein, Shaun 12 Warren Central 5:30.5 17:06.76 67
68 #2105 Costalunga, Kevin 11 Valparaiso 5:30.9 17:07.82 68
69 #1293 Loop, Robbie 12 Michigan City 5:31.7 17:10.43 69
70 #1430 Olaosebikan, Fred 11 Munster 5:32.0 17:11.22 70
71 #1088 Dillon, Corey 12 LaPorte 5:32.4 17:12.44 71
72 #365 Witkowski, Andrew 10 Concord 5:32.5 17:12.94 72
73 #331 Noel, Chris 10 Chesterton 5:32.7 17:13.47 73
74 #625 Brunner, Patrick 11 Bishop Dwenger, FW 5:32.8 17:13.87 74
75 #2157 donovan, brain 11 Warsaw Community 5:33.1 17:14.92 75
76 #1326 Adams, Bryan 12 Mishawaka 5:33.3 17:15.29 76
77 #18 Alvarez, Joe 11 Andrean 5:33.4 17:15.80 77
78 #266 Hess, Brad 09 Carroll (Fort Wa 5:33.7 17:16.55 78
79 #2133 Daugherty, Ryan 11 Warren Central 5:33.8 17:16.90 79
80 #353 Dion, Todd 10 Concord 5:34.0 17:17.42 80
81 #267 Jones, Stephen 10 Carroll (Fort Wa 5:35.0 17:20.59 81
82 #1256 Binder, Seth 12 Merrillville 5:36.0 17:23.90 82
83 #1241 Wethington, Jared 10 McCutcheon 5:36.1 17:24.23 83
84 #1262 Gough, Mike 12 Merrillville 5:36.3 17:24.82 84
85 #1647 Lovett, Jake 12 Penn 5:36.5 17:25.33 85
86 #2134 Disney, Zach 10 Warren Central 5:36.8 17:26.13 86
87 #1196 Lakes, Matthew 11 Marion 5:36.9 17:26.63 87
88 #2119 Myer, Matt 12 Valparaiso 5:37.1 17:27.08 88
89 #389 Feder, Andrew 12 Crown Point 5:37.2 17:27.44 89
90 #1784 Maupin, Tyler 12 Richmond 5:37.7 17:29.09 90
91 #2120 Nuppnau, Johnny 10 Valparaiso 5:37.9 17:29.61 91
92 #1631 Crepinsek, Anton 11 Penn 5:38.3 17:30.96 92
93 #1202 Waymire, Michael 11 Marion 5:38.4 17:31.21 93
94 #358 Malcolm, Drew 11 Concord 5:38.5 17:31.68 94
95 #1885 Goetz, Joey 11 South Bend Clay 5:38.7 17:32.04 95
96 #1751 Hutchins, Alex 12 Portage 5:38.8 17:32.38 96
97 #1100 Slater, Corbin 11 LaPorte 5:38.9 17:32.64 97
98 #364 Willoughby, Brian 10 Concord 5:39.1 17:33.35 98
99 #2530 Wise, Job 12 Warren Central 5:39.2 17:33.74 99
100 #568 Ellis, Nick 11 Memorial, Elkhart 5:39.3 17:34.03 100

[jonesie22]

Here are the team results:
1. #3 McCutcheon - 107 (won on sixth runner tie-breaker)
2. #6 LaPorte - 107
3. #8 Northridge - 114
4. #7 Carroll (Fort Wayne) - 155
5. #10 DeKalb - 158
6. #13 Munster - 190
7. #21 Chesterton - 206
8. #22 Warren Central - 249
9. Michigan City - 293
10. #24 Mishawaka - 303
11. Crown Point - 339
12. Valparaiso - 344
13. Penn - 373
14. Concord - 382
15. Merrillville - 427
16. Elkhart Memorial - 453
17. Andrean - 481
18. South Bend Clay - 483
19. Lake Central - 522
20. South Bend Riley - 577
21. Dayton Christian (Ohio) - 589
22. Portage - 597
23. Warsaw - 607
24. Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger - 623
25. Marion - 627
26. Harrison (West Lafayette) - 639
27. Elkhart Central - 652
28. Richmond - 713
29. East Noble - 784
30. Lowell - 792
31. South Bend Adams - 938

[jonesie22]

Finally, Carmel went out of state and dominated in Kentucky on a fast course...

1 Roberts, Shawn Centerville 15:43.63 1
2 Dooley, Gordy 12 STH 15:44.55 2
3 Hawes, Travis LaSalle High School 15:53.58 3
4 Chvalek, Brendan Silver Creek 15:59.89 4
5 Courney, Kevin Carmel High School 16:00.75 5
6 Carnes, Jackson SO St Xavier 16:04.94 6
7 Rosenberg, Logan Carmel High School 16:06.31 7
8 Eden, Stacey 10 Shelby County 16:06.85 8
9 Shimizu, Yoshi Hilliard Davidson 16:08.11 9
10 Coats, Daniel Jeffersonville H 16:08.36 10
11 Porter, Dan Carmel High School 16:08.80 11
12 Kinn, Dan Carmel High School 16:09.15 12
13 Hamm, David 12 duPont Manual 16:09.56 13
14 Knapik, Scott Hilliard Davidson 16:13.52 14
15 Kuntz, Cullen 12 Woodford County 16:15.72 15
16 Smith, JD Carmel High School 16:17.18 16
17 Zaremba, Alec 11 Shelby County 16:20.55 17
18 Grieshaber, David 12 Woodford County 16:20.77 18
19 Law, Jacob 11 South Oldham 16:21.38 19
20 Schmidt, Eric Centerville 16:21.63 20
21 Bates, Brian Carmel High School 16:22.46 21
22 Mann, Thomas SO St Xavier 16:22.74 22
23 Boyd, Anthony Hilliard Davidson 16:25.58 23
24 Ohlman, Tom Carmel High School 16:28.13 24
25 Shimizu, Kenta Hilliard Davidson 16:28.92 25
26 Norman, Daniel 12 Tates Creek 16:29.34
27 Cox, Will Floyd Central 16:30.25 26
28 Keyes, Parker 12 duPont Manual 16:30.60 27
29 Byron, Corey Centerville 16:30.97 28
30 Dahlem, Austin Trinity High School 16:31.78 29
31 Morris, Zach Carmel High School 16:33.20
32 Mallek, Joe 11 Oldham County 16:33.46 30
33 Whitehead, Michael 11 STH 16:33.97 31
34 Kuntz, Jacob 11 Woodford County 16:34.79 32
35 Ball, Derek 12 duPont Manual 16:36.41 33
36 Naville, Will Floyd Central 16:36.89 34
37 Raidt, Dillon Trinity High School 16:37.06 35
38 Pison, David Carmel High School 16:38.46
39 Winters, Nate Hilliard Davidson 16:38.67 36
40 Brown, Josh Hilliard Davidson 16:38.85 37
41 Campbell, Graham 12 Anderson 16:39.79 38
42 Wellum, Justin 10 Portland Christian 16:40.32
43 Canary, Thomas 11 LEXC 16:41.01 39
44 Hancock, Brian Trinity High School 16:41.50 40
45 Albrektson, Keith Trinity High School 16:41.78 41
46 Wright, Logan Centerville 16:42.60 42
47 Mires, Sam Floyd Central 16:43.21 43
48 Moore, Alex Hilliard Davidson 16:46.94 44
49 Robinson, Michael 12 STH 16:48.81 45
50 Kramer, Kyle Hilliard Davidson 16:49.98
51 Stoll, Corey 11 VILL 16:50.23 46
52 Montavon, Matt Centerville 16:50.72 47

....Event 2 Men 5k Run CC Varsity
53 Camp, Wes Evansville North 16:51.39 48
54 DeRussy, Kurt Centerville 16:51.99 49
55 Eckert, Jack Silver Creek 16:52.98 50
56 Finley, Perry 11 duPont Manual 16:53.39 51
57 Cherry, Jacob 12 STH 16:54.00 52
58 Miller, Austin SR St Xavier 16:54.61 53
59 Thompson, Nick Heritage Christian 16:54.93 54
60 Crabtree, Scotty Centerville 16:55.80 55
61 Moore, Nathan Hilliard Davidson 16:56.19
62 Placke, Ike LaSalle High School 16:56.66 56
63 Cummins, Colin Heritage Christian 16:57.13 57
64 Johns, Kevin LaSalle High School 16:58.46 58
65 Becker, Chris 12 Butler 16:59.81 59
66 Jeter, Eric 11 duPont Manual 17:00.09 60
67 Comer, Sean LaSalle High School 17:01.48 61
68 Henes, Alex 12 duPont Manual 17:01.90 62
69 Greenwood, Tim 12 Butler 17:03.71 63
70 Story, Taylor Heritage Christian 17:03.92 64
71 Depasco, JJ 11 Shelby County 17:04.41 65
72 Hargett, Will Evansville North 17:06.03 66
73 Bittner, Rob LaSalle High School 17:06.69 67
74 Wilson, Austin SR St Xavier 17:06.99 68
75 Huhnerkoch, Daniel Floyd Central 17:07.51 69
76 Eiser, Dan LaSalle High School 17:09.43 70
77 Fraley, Will Heritage Christian 17:10.33 71
78 Willingham, Devon 12 Oldham County 17:11.65 72
79 Sivado, Jon 10 Butler 17:12.65 73
80 Shellenberg, John Trinity High School 17:15.55 74
81 Clark, Kyle 11 Butler 17:16.17 75
82 Hayhurst, Dalton Evansville North 17:17.77 76
83 Hodge, Justin Floyd Central 17:18.12 77
84 Nathaniel, Finney 10 Anderson 17:18.70 78
85 Bare, Alex 11 Anderson 17:18.96 79
86 Alcock, Edward 11 John Hardin 17:19.74 80
87 Saldana, Matt SR St Xavier 17:20.18 81
88 Biddle, Greg Trinity High School 17:20.60 82
89 Robinson, Spencer Silver Creek 17:20.96 83
90 Lane, Cas 12 North Oldham 17:21.23 84
91 Philpot, John Trinity High School 17:21.48 85
92 Swartz, Joseph 11 John Hardin 17:21.80 86
93 Gregory, Austin Centerville 17:22.08
94 Vasilakes, Noah 12 Woodford County 17:22.42 87
95 Carter, Zach 9 Shelby County 17:22.76 88
96 Ruschmann, Nick Centerville 17:23.15
97 Flinchum, Dane Trinity High School 17:23.54
98 Smithson, Greg 11 Eastern 17:23.82 89
99 Heinrich, Jon Centerville 17:26.45
100 Kimmel, Mason Floyd Central 17:26.82 90

[jonesie22]

1 Carmel High School 51 5 7 11 12 16 21 24
Total Time: 1:20:42.19
Average: 16:08.44
2 Hilliard Davidson 107 9 14 23 25 36 37 44
Total Time: 1:21:54.80
Average: 16:22.96
3 Centerville High School 138 1 20 28 42 47 49 55
Total Time: 1:22:09.55
Average: 16:25.91
4 duPont Manual 184 13 27 33 51 60 62 93
Total Time: 1:23:10.05
Average: 16:38.01
5 Trinity High School 219 29 35 40 41 74 82 85
Total Time: 1:23:47.67
Average: 16:45.54

....Event 2 Men 5k Run CC Varsity
6 St Xavier 230 6 22 53 68 81 123 127
Total Time: 1:23:49.46
Average: 16:45.90
7 Saint Henry District High 237 2 31 45 52 107 117 130
Total Time: 1:23:47.76
Average: 16:45.56
8 LaSalle High School 245 3 56 58 61 67 70 95
Total Time: 1:23:56.87
Average: 16:47.38
9 Floyd Central High School 249 26 34 43 69 77 90 98
Total Time: 1:24:15.98
Average: 16:51.20
10 Woodford County 249 15 18 32 87 97 109 146
Total Time: 1:24:09.31
Average: 16:49.87
11 Shelby County 282 8 17 65 88 104 125 139
Total Time: 1:24:39.46
Average: 16:55.90
12 Silver Creek 335 4 50 83 96 102 110 131
Total Time: 1:25:29.51
Average: 17:05.91
13 Heritage Christian 349 54 57 64 71 103 116 148
Total Time: 1:25:48.51
Average: 17:09.71
14 Butler Traditional High S 375 59 63 73 75 105 112 114
Total Time: 1:26:17.64
Average: 17:15.53
15 Anderson High School 425 38 78 79 101 129 132 149
Total Time: 1:27:08.15
Average: 17:25.63
16 Evansville North High Sco 436 48 66 76 118 128 145 171
Total Time: 1:27:27.04
Average: 17:29.41
17 Villa Madonna Academy 499 46 91 99 120 143 163 187
Total Time: 1:28:28.86
Average: 17:41.78
18 Oldham County 501 30 72 119 126 154 182 184
Total Time: 1:28:43.96
Average: 17:44.80
19 North Oldham 515 84 94 100 113 124 136 157
Total Time: 1:28:33.54
Average: 17:42.71
20 South Oldham 552 19 121 133 135 144 158 169
Total Time: 1:29:28.10
Average: 17:53.62
21 Lexington Catholic High S 572 39 115 122 134 162 168 181
Total Time: 1:30:11.20
Average: 18:02.24
22 Jeffersonville High Schoo 603 10 92 156 170 175 185 188
Total Time: 1:31:48.54
Average: 18:21.71

....Event 2 Men 5k Run CC Varsity
23 Eastern 666 89 106 142 153 176 183
Total Time: 1:32:06.80
Average: 18:25.36
24 John Hardin 684 80 86 151 178 189 190
Total Time: 1:33:47.14
Average: 18:45.43
25 Dixie Heights 697 111 137 138 152 159 164 165
Total Time: 1:32:16.85
Average: 18:27.37
26 Trimble County 703 108 140 141 147 167 172 173
Total Time: 1:32:27.24
Average: 18:29.45
27 Holy Cross High School 806 150 155 161 166 174 179 180
Total Time: 1:35:20.69
Average: 19:04.14
28 Kentucky Country Day 906 160 177 186 191 192 193
Total Time: 1:40:18.95
Average: 20:03.79

[DetroiterInIL]

Thorough results - thanks Jonesie. Watchout will probably have a field day; and there will be more depth to the speed ratings.

BTW, Mike Fout has got to be a superstar. That's a heck of a run. I seem to recall he ran a 9:13 last spring at some point; not sure if that was his best - but assuming he ran a 5K with that result; that's more impressive than a 9:13, IMO.

[maverick]

Thorough results - thanks Jonesie. Watchout will probably have a field day; and there will be more depth to the speed ratings.

BTW, Mike Fout has got to be a superstar. That's a heck of a run. I seem to recall he ran a 9:13 last spring at some point; not sure if that was his best - but assuming he ran a 5K with that result; that's more impressive than a 9:13, IMO.

i think he ended up going sub 9 at NON, not sure though.

[jonesie22]

Fout ran 8:56 and change at the Nike Outdoor. He has also run 14:58 this season and his 15:12 at New Prairie is a new course record and many of the greats have run there.

If he can stay healthy, which was an issue last fall, he will be someone to look for come Foot Locker time.

[watchout]

Thorough results - thanks Jonesie. Watchout will probably have a field day; and there will be more depth to the speed ratings.

BTW, Mike Fout has got to be a superstar. That's a heck of a run. I seem to recall he ran a 9:13 last spring at some point; not sure if that was his best - but assuming he ran a 5K with that result; that's more impressive than a 9:13, IMO.

I will... as long as I have time :o which I'm sure I'll make some time for it somewhere.

Great to see Carmel with their entire varsity, that's the first time this year I think?

[jonesie22]

Yeah, Carmel is just now getting healthy. Great performance from them. Fout and Derrick should be an outstanding battle this weekend at Culver.

[DetroiterInIL]

Is there a link to schools in the race at Culver? Since MW powerhouse Neuqua Valley will be there; it would be a great meet for some cross-state comparisons if the top IN schools are there.

[inrnr]

Watchout...thanks for the great work.
Not sure how you figure out speed ratings/course difficulty. However you do it, it's definitely a more thorough sample than strictly time alone. Do you have enough of a "book" on Mike Fout from LaPorte, IN to see how he stacks up nationally? I noticed he's ranked, broke 9 at NON, 14:58 5K, and shattered former IN standout Jason Casiano's record set in 1990 by a ridiculous 17 seconds. I've never seen the course, but I guess the course he just ran on (New Prairie?) is pretty difficult and even has a portion tagged "Agony Hill". Jonesie22.....do you know anything about the course difficulty? I think there's a showdown between Fout and Derrick this weekend in IN. I think Fout beat Derrick at this race last year.

[jonesie22]

Open (Large school) Division

1, Bloomington North Ranked 6th
2, Carmel Ranked 5th
3, Chesterton Ranked 15th
4, Columbus North Ranked 8th
5, Crown Point NR
6, Fort Wayne Northrop Ranked 20th
7, Hamilton Southeastern Ranked 22nd
8, Hilliard Darby (Ohio) Ohio Div. 1 Ranked 15th
11, Indianapolis North Central Ranked 20th
12, Lake Central NR
13, LaPorte Ranked 4th
14, Lawrence Central NR
15, Lawrence North Ranked 23rd
16, Logansport NR
17, Martinsville NR
18, Michigan City
19, Neuqua Valley (Ill.) (Boys only) Illinios Div. AAA Ranked 1st[/b]
20, Northridge Ranked 7th
21, Northview NR
22, Portage NR
23, Portage Central (Mich.) ?????
24, South Bend Adams NR
25, South Bend Clay NR
26, Sylvania Northview (Ohio) Ohio Div. 1 Ranked 11th
28, Valparaiso NR
29, Warren Central Ranked 24th
30, Wawasee NR
31, Westfield Ranked 18th

Lots of ranked Indiana teams, but the big three right now: Franklin, Fishers, and McCutcheon all run elsewhere. Nequea Valley should cruise to the team title.

The New Prairie course has been changed slightly and many say that it is even more difficult than in years past. There is a thread ongoing about the course on HoosierAuthority.com. Agony Hill is a hill full of sand that the runners must traverse. Legends speak of it as being tough.

As far as the Culver course is concerned, it is fairly fast. No one has ever broken 15 on it to my knowledge. Low 15:20's may be the course record. It is a true 5k (3.1).

Fout was the runner-up to Turner last year and Derrick was third. I think they are both on an entirely different level right now, but the edge has to go to Derrick I think.

....even coming from an Indiana guy.

[inrnr]

Thanks Jonesie....
I looked at Hoosier Authority. Do you run that site? Pretty impressive! That's a TON of work and you should be given a big "THANK YOU" for that.
I looked at the results from last years New Prairie meet. Looks like Fout beat Turner there, and then lost to him the following week. Doing a google search, it also said Fout had some sort of injury around the time of the New Prairie meet last year, but really started to slip after that meet. Did he get injured on the course? He kind of went away until the track season. What happened?
Should be a great race in IN this upcoming weekend. Derrick and Fout have nearly identical 3200 times. I would venture to say that with those two battling, there will be a new course record there this year.

[maverick]

fout and derrick will be a throwdown this weekend.

[KenA55]

And probably most importantly, 6 IL teams likely scored at-large points today, as HL#1 Pleasant Valley finished 7th with at least 4 of their top 5 at the meet.

The article detailing the points system is difficult to locate these days (are they backing away from the previously announced at-large points system perhaps?). But if I remember right-

1. The meet has to be after 9/20
2. You have to beat an actual regional autoqualifier, not a team that happened to be rated regional 1-2 at the time. So no way to know about points for sure until the regionals are in the books. PV is HL#2, not #1, and we'll get the first real look at how good that ranking within the region actually is, in the Griak 9/29.

[watchout]

The article detailing the points system is difficult to locate these days (are they backing away from the previously announced at-large points system perhaps?). But if I remember right-

1. The meet has to be after 9/20
2. You have to beat an actual regional autoqualifier, not a team that happened to be rated regional 1-2 at the time. So no way to know about points for sure until the regionals are in the books. PV is HL#2, not #1, and we'll get the first real look at how good that ranking within the region actually is, in the Griak 9/29.

oh right, I forgot about the Sep. 20th deal.

[watchout]

Watchout...thanks for the great work.
Not sure how you figure out speed ratings/course difficulty. However you do it, it's definitely a more thorough sample than strictly time alone. Do you have enough of a "book" on Mike Fout from LaPorte, IN to see how he stacks up nationally? I noticed he's ranked, broke 9 at NON, 14:58 5K, and shattered former IN standout Jason Casiano's record set in 1990 by a ridiculous 17 seconds. I've never seen the course, but I guess the course he just ran on (New Prairie?) is pretty difficult and even has a portion tagged "Agony Hill". Jonesie22.....do you know anything about the course difficulty? I think there's a showdown between Fout and Derrick this weekend in IN. I think Fout beat Derrick at this race last year.

from New Prairie, Fout is at 196...

National leaders: (I might be missing a few -- Fernandez perhaps -- and some might be a little off but it gives an idea)

Luke Puskedra (UT) 205 (INSANE for anything outside of Footlocker, he wants to be Ritz... maybe he is?)
Evan Appel (CO) 200
Chris Derrick (IL) 200
Kevin Williams (CO) 199
Ben Johnson (NM) 199
Miles Unterreiner (WA) 198
Griff Graves (VA) 197
Donn Cabral (CT) 196
Mike Fout (IN) 196
Jason Witt (VA) 196

[inrnr]

from New Prairie, Fout is at 196...

National leaders: (I might be missing a few -- Fernandez perhaps -- and some might be a little off but it gives an idea)

Luke Puskedra (UT) 205 (INSANE for anything outside of Footlocker, he wants to be Ritz... maybe he is?)
Evan Appel (CO) 200
Chris Derrick (IL) 200
Kevin Williams (CO) 199
Ben Johnson (NM) 199
Miles Unterreiner (WA) 198
Griff Graves (VA) 197
Donn Cabral (CT) 196
Mike Fout (IN) 196
Jason Witt (VA) 196

I understand if you don't want to divulge your formula, but how do you calculate those numbers? Is Fout's 14:58 earlier in the year considered better than his 15:12 this weekend, or did you take course difficulty into account. I did a little research, and I guess the New Prairie course has an incredibly steep sand dune the kids have to run.
Either way, thanks for your work.....you do a great job.

[watchout]

I understand if you don't want to divulge your formula, but how do you calculate those numbers? Is Fout's 14:58 earlier in the year considered better than his 15:12 this weekend, or did you take course difficulty into account. I did a little research, and I guess the New Prairie course has an incredibly steep sand dune the kids have to run.
Either way, thanks for your work.....you do a great job.

I didn't look at his 14:58 earlier, because it wasn't handy and I don't have the course adjustment for it. I just calculated the one for New Prairie because it was just posted, and had (barely) enough datapoints to create a decent comparison.

[inrnr]

I didn't look at his 14:58 earlier, because it wasn't handy and I don't have the course adjustment for it. I just calculated the one for New Prairie because it was just posted, and had (barely) enough datapoints to create a decent comparison.


That's great. How do you get course adjutments? Is it just from coaches / runners opinions or do you cross reference times from other races? What do the numbers indicate? For example, I saw you rated one course a 905. What would the New Prairie course be rated at and how do the numbers translate into course difficulty?
I have a feeling eveyone already knows this, so I apologize if this is remedial reading. I'm just trying to learn the system...it's fascinating.

[watchout]

That's great. How do you get course adjutments? Is it just from coaches / runners opinions or do you cross reference times from other races? What do the numbers indicate? For example, I saw you rated one course a 905. What would the New Prairie course be rated at and how do the numbers translate into course difficulty?
I have a feeling eveyone already knows this, so I apologize if this is remedial reading. I'm just trying to learn the system...it's fascinating.

I compare races to other races.

New Prairie's course was rated at 900. That means it runs 5 seconds faster than a course rated 905.

The speed rating #'s represent 3 seconds per point (higher being the faster/better performance). For a reference, 205-210 usually wins FL Nationals. Elite states seem to usually be won in the 195-200 range, and that's about the range it also takes to qualify for FLN in most regions most years.

IN State's last few top runners:


2006:
1 1 252 DE'SEAN TURNER WARREN CENTRAL 12 5:59 15:54.3 5:08 = 195.2
2 49 CURTIS CARR BROWN COUNTY 12 6:00 15:59.3 5:10 = 193.6


2005:
1 207 BROCK HAGERMAN PENDELTON HEIGHTS 12 7:02 15:13.2 4:55 = 195.6
2 1 262 DE'SEAN TURNER WARREN CENTRAL 11 7:01 15:25.5 4:59 = 191.5

2004:
1 1 162 JUSTIN ROEDER HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN 11 6:59 16:06.9 5:12 = 191.0

2003:
1 1 50 CHRISTIAN WAGNER COLUMBUS NORTH 12 9:08 15:37.4 5:03 = 192.5
2 2 ROB GROTE BATESVILLE 12 9:27 15:44.1 5:05 = 190.3

2002:
1 1 170 Neftalem Araia LAWRENCE NORTH 12 15:08.0 4:53 = 200.7
2 2 67 Christian Wagner COLUMBUS NORTH 11 15:19.5 4:57 = 196.8

2001:
1 1 154 Nef Araia LAWRENCE NORTH 15:35 5:02 = 193.3
2 2 71 Kaleb Vanort DEKALB 15:36 5:02 = 193.0
3 262 Michael Haschel WINAMAC 15:44 5:05 = 190.3

2000:
1 Aaron Fisher Franklin Central 15:12 = 197.7
2 Michael Hashel Winamac 15:24 = 193.7

[westxc]

from New Prairie, Fout is at 196...

National leaders: (I might be missing a few -- Fernandez perhaps -- and some might be a little off but it gives an idea)

Luke Puskedra (UT) 205 (INSANE for anything outside of Footlocker, he wants to be Ritz... maybe he is?)
Evan Appel (CO) 200
Chris Derrick (IL) 200
Kevin Williams (CO) 199
Ben Johnson (NM) 199
Miles Unterreiner (WA) 198
Griff Graves (VA) 197
Donn Cabral (CT) 196
Mike Fout (IN) 196
Jason Witt (VA) 196

what would you estimate fernandez and lowe at, ~202, ~199 or so?

[tigerxc]

I saw Fout run at New Prairie and I saw Derrick run at Peoria Woodruff and the race between them next week should be awesome.

New Prairie course is pretty tough with Agony Hill (basically a sand dune) at the 1.5 mile mark. Fout completely killed the field from the mile to the 2 mile in the race and he still looked pretty strong finishing.

[Leftfielder]

Is there a link to schools in the race at Culver? Since MW powerhouse Neuqua Valley will be there; it would be a great meet for some cross-state comparisons if the top IN schools are there.

Anybody know if Beattie will be running varsity at Culver?

[watchout]

what would you estimate fernandez and lowe at, ~202, ~199 or so?

no idea, I have to wait until Fernandez runs a real course against real competition (i.e., ones I know about and not "pre-season")... with Lowe we'll get a great read on him in a week or two.

[Dyenimator]

from New Prairie, Fout is at 196...

National leaders: (I might be missing a few -- Fernandez perhaps -- and some might be a little off but it gives an idea)

Luke Puskedra (UT) 205 (INSANE for anything outside of Footlocker, he wants to be Ritz... maybe he is?)
Evan Appel (CO) 200
Chris Derrick (IL) 200
Kevin Williams (CO) 199
Ben Johnson (NM) 199
Bobby Aprill (MI) 199
Miles Unterreiner (WA) 198
Griff Graves (VA) 197
Donn Cabral (CT) 196
Mike Fout (IN) 196
Jason Witt (VA) 196

Corrected.

[DetroiterInIL]

Dyenimator - I thought Aprill's sub 15:15 was a great time; glad you added it. Being a born and raised Michigander who ran for Univ of Detroit - I really wish the MHSAA would drop the rules and let Michigan compete. Dexter was really, really good last year - but... we know what happened. I live in Illinois now, and am very impressed with the depth, more so than in Michigan - wish I could do a fair comparison of the top teams. I continue to give the edge to Illinois for the top teams mainly because the MHSAA won't let the runners in Mich move on - and York (IL) has proven they are a top power in the nation year-in, year-out.

Watchout - I'm assuming Puskedra's ranking is off the Sept 8 meet where he ran 14:52 and buried the field. Right?

[Dyenimator]

Bobby will still give it a run at FLMW.

[watchout]

Dyenimator - I thought Aprill's sub 15:15 was a great time; glad you added it. Being a born and raised Michigander who ran for Univ of Detroit - I really wish the MHSAA would drop the rules and let Michigan compete. Dexter was really, really good last year - but... we know what happened. I live in Illinois now, and am very impressed with the depth, more so than in Michigan - wish I could do a fair comparison of the top teams. I continue to give the edge to Illinois for the top teams mainly because the MHSAA won't let the runners in Mich move on - and York (IL) has proven they are a top power in the nation year-in, year-out.

Watchout - I'm assuming Puskedra's ranking is off the Sept 8 meet where he ran 14:52 and buried the field. Right?

yes, that's correct. His run a week earlier was a 203.

[watchout]

Merging Dyenimator's MI list with my MW list... (his is more complete a look than mine)










1. Neuqua Valley IL 182.0
2. Dexter MI 178.0
3T. Wheaton North IL -- 177.9
3T. Naperville North IL-- 177.9
5. Palatine IL-- 177.6
6. Fishers IN -- 177.1
7. Pinckney MI 176.9
8. Hersey IL-- 175.6
9. Franklin Community IN -- 175.4
10. Saline MI 175.0
11. Geneva IL -- 174.4
12. Lyons Township IL-- 174.3
13. St. Charles North IL -- 174.0
14. Pioneer MI 173.6
15. Schaumburg IL-- 172.7
16. Williamston MI 172.1
17. Carmel IN -- 172.0
18. McCutcheon IN -- 171.5
19. Madison LaFollette WI -- 171.4
20. Lawrence North IN -- 169.9
21. Lake Orion MI 169.3
22. Northridge IN -- 169.1

[maverick]

yes, that's correct. His run a week earlier was a 203.

wow what a sh!tty day, must have fallen or something.

[DetroiterInIL]

Merging Dyenimator's MI list with my MW list... (his is more complete a look than mine)










1. Neuqua Valley IL 182.0
2. Dexter MI 178.0
3T. Wheaton North IL -- 177.9
3T. Naperville North IL-- 177.9
5. Palatine IL-- 177.6
6. Fishers IN -- 177.1
7. Pinckney MI 176.9
8. Hersey IL-- 175.6
9. Franklin Community IN -- 175.4
10. Saline MI 175.0
11. Geneva IL -- 174.4
12. Lyons Township IL-- 174.3
13. St. Charles North IL -- 174.0
14. Pioneer MI 173.6
15. Schaumburg IL-- 172.7
16. Williamston MI 172.1
17. Carmel IN -- 172.0
18. McCutcheon IN -- 171.5
19. Madison LaFollette WI -- 171.4
20. Lawrence North IN -- 169.9
21. Lake Orion MI 169.3
22. Northridge IN -- 169.1


Really!?! Even with Dexter's large gap between #3 and #4? I don't know the significance between the small point changes; and as you know have affiliation with both Michigan and Illinois, but I'm surprised. I'm assuming Aprill tops Smoody of Palatine and Gibson of Naperville North - yet the spread seems narrower for Palatine/Naperville North/Wheaton North than for Dexter - so I would have expected Dexter to land at 7th or so.

Watchout, not to slight Dexter: great program, great top runner, very, very good #2 and #3 - but in these rankings, can you really just throw a blanket over #2-#5 and say on any given day any of these 4 teams could come out in any order?

[watchout]

Really!?! Even with Dexter's large gap between #3 and #4? I don't know the significance between the small point changes; and as you know have affiliation with both Michigan and Illinois, but I'm surprised. I'm assuming Aprill tops Smoody of Palatine and Gibson of Naperville North - yet the spread seems narrower for Palatine/Naperville North/Wheaton North than for Dexter - so I would have expected Dexter to land at 7th or so.

Watchout, not to slight Dexter: great program, great top runner, very, very good #2 and #3 - but in these rankings, can you really just throw a blanket over #2-#5 and say on any given day any of these 4 teams could come out in any order?

The ratings for MI teams were done by Dyenimator. I'm assuming he is using my same formula, which is (IMO) good for predicting meets on the level of NTN Regionals and NTN Nationals, and some state meets (CA and IL, mostly... don't think any other state is quite high enough quality most years, although sometimes WA and TX and possibly VA? are good enough.)

[Dyenimator]

I can't honestly predict what will happen in a meet, but I'm guessing Dexter's top 3 would make up for the lack of 4/5 runners that they have at the moment. At MI state (the most competitive race they'll run as they're not in D1 at Portage), Aprill should be 1, Bishop 3, and Steavenson no more than 10. Even if their 4/5 runners only run 16:45-17:00, they're not even that far back of Fremont's 4/5 guys.

I'll know more about Dexter when Portage rolls around. Holly ran SO MUCH FASTER than it normally does.

[DetroiterInIL]

I just posted on your MI board; but I think the Div II race is too watered down. If they combined Div I and Div II in Michigan, my gut is that Pinckney would win. In addition, if Dexter ran in the Illinois AAA, there'd be a LOT of runners between #3 and #4 for Dexter. I think Dexter will win Div II hands down in MI - but they just don't get the depth as they would if MI had one class (or even combined the top 2) or what you see in IL. Wish I had a better way to compare. I have a good feel for the Neuqua Valley/Naperville North/Palatine collection in IL. Naperville North and Palatine don't have an Aprill - only NV does (Derrick is top notch) - but their #5's look a lot stronger than Dexter's.

Seems a lot of this depends on the depth of the field.

Although in fairness, the IHSA (Illinois governing body) has diluted the state meet this year in both breaking IL into 3 classes instead of the 2 previously and setting the Sectional (qualifying round for States) into 4 pieces where one of them hosts about 7 of the top 10 schools and 11 of the top 15. Go figure.

Anyway... no disrespect to Dexter; one of the best teams in the country last year - and boo to the MHSAA for not letting 'em show it - but I need convincing for this year with the big gap between #3 and #4 - despite how good Steavenson is.

[jonesie22]

Thanks Jonesie....
I looked at Hoosier Authority. Do you run that site? Pretty impressive! That's a TON of work and you should be given a big "THANK YOU" for that.
I looked at the results from last years New Prairie meet. Looks like Fout beat Turner there, and then lost to him the following week. Doing a google search, it also said Fout had some sort of injury around the time of the New Prairie meet last year, but really started to slip after that meet. Did he get injured on the course? He kind of went away until the track season. What happened?
Should be a great race in IN this upcoming weekend. Derrick and Fout have nearly identical 3200 times. I would venture to say that with those two battling, there will be a new course record there this year.

Yeah, I am in charge of the XC/track portion of the site. Thanks for the kind words.

Fout did beat Turner last year at New Prairie. I thought you were referring to Culver in your other post. Fout had an injury plagued fall last year. He was in and out of LaPorte's lineup and then came back to run in the postseason. He placed eighth at the semi-state and then chose not to run at the state finals. I kinda set the tone for his spring though.

Let's hope for a new course record.

[Dyenimator]

I'm just going by the numbers, just going by the numbers.

I put Holly as 30 sec. slower than MIS this year because of the fast conditions. Over the past 4 years I've accumulated 400 runners that ran at both the invite and states, and that says Holly is 40 sec. slower. See I was even being conservative for this years ratings.

[inrnr]

Yeah, I am in charge of the XC/track portion of the site. Thanks for the kind words.

Fout did beat Turner last year at New Prairie. I thought you were referring to Culver in your other post. Fout had an injury plagued fall last year. He was in and out of LaPorte's lineup and then came back to run in the postseason. He placed eighth at the semi-state and then chose not to run at the state finals. I kinda set the tone for his spring though.

Let's hope for a new course record.

If the record is in the 15:20s then I would think both Derrick and Fout will break that mark with relative ease. It looks like Fout really hasn't had anyone to run with in IN to this point. In relation to the New Prairie course, how difficult is the course at the Culver meet?

[jonesie22]

Yeah, the outgoing class from 2007 was one of Indiana's best all-time. Fout is the class of the 2008 graduating class here in the Hoosier state. He still has some question marks surrounding his health occasionally it seems though.

[jonesie22]

Just found it....some noteworty names
Nef Araia Lawrence North 9/28/2002 Culver Academies Inv 15:18
Mike McClaran New Prairie 9/23/1989 Culver Academies Inv 15:20
Christian Wagner Columbus North 9/27/2003 Culver Academies Inv 15:27
De’Sean Turner Warren Central 9/24/2005 Culver Academies Inv 15:27
Matt Sparks Noblesville 9/28/1991 Culver Academies Inv 15:32
John Fendel Warren Central 9/22/1990 Culver Academies Inv 15:36
Marzuki Stevens Cranbrook (MI) 9/28/1991 Culver Academies Inv 15:37
Dave Deneve New Prairie 9/24/1988 Culver Academies Inv 15:38
Tom Feder Crown Point 9/25/1982 Culver Academies Inv 15:39
Curtis Carr Brown County 9/24/2005 Culver Academies Inv 15:39

Last year's times suffered because it was pretty damp.

[inrnr]

Yeah, the outgoing class from 2007 was one of Indiana's best all-time. Fout is the class of the 2008 graduating class here in the Hoosier state. He still has some question marks surrounding his health occasionally it seems though.

It's a shame he doesn't have more kids to run with like the IL kids do. Either way, it looks as if last years class wouldn't have offered up much opposition with the exception of Turner anyways.
So, sor this weekend, is the course at Culver more difficult than, on par with, or easier than the New Prairie course? Should we expect faster times at Culver or New Prairie?

[Coach Vandersteen]

Anybody know if Beattie will be running varsity at Culver?

Yes

[jonesie22]

It's a shame he doesn't have more kids to run with like the IL kids do. Either way, it looks as if last years class wouldn't have offered up much opposition with the exception of Turner anyways.
So, sor this weekend, is the course at Culver more difficult than, on par with, or easier than the New Prairie course? Should we expect faster times at Culver or New Prairie?

There are a couple other studs in Indiana, but nothing compared to last year or to Illinois' depth. Sean Wilson (Franklin) is a 4:12 miler, Drew Shields (Fishers) is a 4:14 miler, Tito Medrano (Lafayette Jefferson) is a 9:05 2-miler. Fout will not see the first two until the state meet and will see Medrano the week before at semi-state (once again at New Prairie).

Though the times are very comparable, I would say that the Culver course is easier than the one at New Prairie. I have never personally ran the course at New Prairie, but have so at Culver, so my ability to speak on the subject is probably subpar. I have done calculations for both courses and they are very close.

Araia and Wagner (two of Indiana's top guys in the early 2000's) never had the opportunity to run at New Prairie.

[greenman]

How good is Centerville, OH? They're running at Palatine this Saturday against York, Palatine, Hersey, St Charles, Lyons, and Sandburg.

[watchout]

How good is Centerville, OH? They're running at Palatine this Saturday against York, Palatine, Hersey, St Charles, Lyons, and Sandburg.

Off the top of my head, if I remember right, I think they were about OH#5-ish. Probably a good deal behind the top two teams (St. John Jesuit and Medina)

[crosscountrylover]

Off the top of my head, if I remember right, I think they were about OH#5-ish. Probably a good deal behind the top two teams (St. John Jesuit and Medina)

How are the ohio teams, especially medina and toledo st. johns, looking in comparison to the rest of the midwest? There hasn't really been much talk about them so far

[XCCowboy]

Neuqua Valley wins Culver Invite.

NV 71
LaPorte 93
Carmel 110
Northridge 149
Bloomington North 166

Derrick Smashes course record by 28 seconds. Second place was the highly touted Fouts of Indiana at 15:05 Third was Danny Pawola in 15:38.

They did this without Riddle.

Scoring for NV
1 Derrick
3 Pawola
12 Beattie
27 Budnik
28 Winek
(38) Grady
(102) Shields

[DetroiterInIL]

Elmhurst York (IL) ran their first invitational of the year this morning at Palatine. The final score was Palatine 75, York 76 - with about 20 teams in the race, I'd guess, maybe a little less.

York's top runner, Achtein, ran the 2.95 mile course in about 14:03 - 3 seconds off the course record set by Sean McNamara 3 years ago. Their 5th runner came in somewhere around 15:16 - tougher to tell from my vantage point. Palatine's top runner came in 3rd, about 10 sec behind Achtein. Palatine's #5 was about 56 or 57 seconds back of that. I have approximate times for the Palatine runners, but not for York. Since York is the ranked team, and Palatine isn't even listed as a bubble team at this point - I won't pass along times yet... Official results will be up later at www.kompusport.com

[maverick]

Elmhurst York (IL) ran their first invitational of the year this morning at Palatine. The final score was Palatine 75, York 76 - with about 20 teams in the race, I'd guess, maybe a little less.

York's top runner, Achtein, ran the 2.95 mile course in about 14:03 - 3 seconds off the course record set by Sean McNamara 3 years ago. Their 5th runner came in somewhere around 15:16 - tougher to tell from my vantage point. Palatine's top runner came in 3rd, about 10 sec behind Achtein. Palatine's #5 was about 56 or 57 seconds back of that. I have approximate times for the Palatine runners, but not for York. Since York is the ranked team, and Palatine isn't even listed as a bubble team at this point - I won't pass along times yet... Official results will be up later at www.kompusport.com

http://www.kompusport.com/results/xcountry/2007/palatine/boys_var.html

those are the results and according to the new rankings that came out yesterday, palatine is #5 in the region and York is on the bubble.

EDIT: for people that dont know this course is about 2.95-96, not 3 miles like the results say.

[JMegs13]

Elmhurst York (IL) ran their first invitational of the year this morning at Palatine. The final score was Palatine 75, York 76 - with about 20 teams in the race, I'd guess, maybe a little less.

York's top runner, Achtein, ran the 2.95 mile course in about 14:03 - 3 seconds off the course record set by Sean McNamara 3 years ago. Their 5th runner came in somewhere around 15:16 - tougher to tell from my vantage point. Palatine's top runner came in 3rd, about 10 sec behind Achtein. Palatine's #5 was about 56 or 57 seconds back of that. I have approximate times for the Palatine runners, but not for York. Since York is the ranked team, and Palatine isn't even listed as a bubble team at this point - I won't pass along times yet... Official results will be up later at www.kompusport.com
Actually Palatine did get ranked this week, and York got dropped out of the top 10. No one posted them on this forum though:

1 Pinckney Pinckney MI
2 Neuqua Valley Naperville IL
3 Naperville North Naperville IL
4 Fremont Fremont MI
5 Palatine Palatine IL
6 Fishers Fishers IN
7 Dexter Dexter MI
8 Saline Saline MI
9 LaFollette Madison WI
10 St. John's Jesuit Toledo OH

Bubble teams alphabetically: Carmel (IN), Franklin Community (IN), Hersey (IL), La Porte (IN), Lyons Township (IL), McCutcheon (IN), Medina (OH), Pioneer (MI), Sandburg (IL), Schaumburg (IL), St. Xavier (OH), Stevens Point (WI), Williamston (MI), Woodridge (OH), York (IL)

[DetroiterInIL]

Actually Palatine did get ranked this week, and York got dropped out of the top 10. No one posted them on this forum though:

1 Pinckney Pinckney MI
2 Neuqua Valley Naperville IL
3 Naperville North Naperville IL
4 Fremont Fremont MI
5 Palatine Palatine IL
6 Fishers Fishers IN
7 Dexter Dexter MI
8 Saline Saline MI
9 LaFollette Madison WI
10 St. John's Jesuit Toledo OH

Bubble teams alphabetically: Carmel (IN), Franklin Community (IN), Hersey (IL), La Porte (IN), Lyons Township (IL), McCutcheon (IN), Medina (OH), Pioneer (MI), Sandburg (IL), Schaumburg (IL), St. Xavier (OH), Stevens Point (WI), Williamston (MI), Woodridge (OH), York (IL)

Ah, thanks. Missed that one. Strange decision to drop York to a bubble team w/o any results to go off - when they were somewhat high in the rankings previously. I'd imagine they'll pop back up this week given their showing at Palatine.

[watchout]

How are the ohio teams, especially medina and toledo st. johns, looking in comparison to the rest of the midwest? There hasn't really been much talk about them so far

Without really looking at it, I'd guess they would both be in between Indiana's #1 (Fishers) and #2 (Franklin Community).

[pr25]

According to Mlive forum
Jackson Invite
Pinckney 44
Saline 71
Williamston 81

Hankins of Pinckney wins in about 15:35

[togorun]

Jackson Invite
Great course with a few hills but still very fast. First three teams separated by 37 points. Fourth place was 39 points behind Williamston.
1 Pinckney 44
2 Saline 71
3 Williamston 81

Pinckney
1 Hankins 15:36
6 Katsefaras 15:59
7 Wines 16:00
10 Hohl 16:13
20 Brunner 16:32
25 Lotz 16:38
55 Pesonen 17:14

Saline
4 Johnson 15:50
8 Conn 16:05
14 Hunt 16:18
15 Hernandez 16:21
30 Lipa 16:45
40 Harper 16:55
90 Dunn 17:51

Williamston
3 Lutzke 15:46
5 Nix 15:53
12 Person 16:16
18 Barczak 16:29
43 Risch 17:03
62 McGrath 17:19
90 Robitaille 17:53

[jonesie22]

By Brandon Jones
Running Sports Coordinator

Indiana has some great cross country programs...

Those programs were showcased at Saturday's Culver Invitational as thirteen of the top 25 teams in Indiana toed the line in the boys open race.

But it was a team from the suburbs of Chicago, ILLINOIS who stole the show.

Neuqua Valley is ranked as the top team in the state of Illinois and crossed the border and showed the world why as they took the team title back to the Illni state with them after defeating fourth-ranked LaPorte by a 22-point margin (71-93).

The much anticipated battle between Neuqua's Christopher Derrick and LaPorte's Mike Fout (two of the nation's best) lived up to its billing through four kilometers before Derrick hit another gear in the final stages of the race to obliterate the course record by 31 seconds as he finished in a time of 14:47, 18 seconds better than that of Fout.

The two were neck and neck in the race's early stages as they came through the first kilometer in a blistering 2:54. The battle continued before Derrick turned it on.

It was a moral victory for the Hoosier state however as fifth-ranked Carmel was also within striking distance from the team currently ranked second in the midwest.

Here are the individual results of the boys open race:
1. Derrick - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 14:47
2. Fout - LaPorte - 15:05
3. Pawola - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 15:38
4. Hoffman - Bloomington North - 15:39
5. Schoch - Bloomington North - 15:40
6. Mercer - Northridge - 15:44
7. Miller - LaPorte - 15:44
8. Jackson - Hilliard Darby (OH) - 15:46
9. Bird - Fort Wayne Northrop - 15:49
10. Gates - Hamilton Southeastern - 15:50
11. Lovekin - LaPorte - 15:58
12. Beattie - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 16:01
13. Buzzelli - Bloomington North - 16:03
14. Toll - LaPorte - 16:04
15. Pence - Columbus North - 16:05
16. Esbin - Sylvania Northview (OH) - 16:08
17. Gates - Columbus North - 16:09
18. Rosenberg - Carmel - 16:10
19. Osborn - Chesterton - 16:13
20. Porter - Carmel - 16:14
21. Lammers - North Central (Indianapolis) - 16:14
22. Albert - Northridge - 16:20
23. Courtney - Carmel - 16:20
24. Kinn - Carmel - 16:20
25. Smith - Carmel - 16:23
26. Neff - Westfield - 16:24
27. Budnik - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 16:25
28. Winck - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 16:27
29. Kuhl - Lawrence North - 16:28
30. Hitchcock - Hamilton Southeastern - 16:29
31. Drake - Bloomington North - 16:29
32. Ohlman - Carmel - 16:30
33. Pack - Warren Central - 16:34
34. Vanek - Chesterton - 16:34
35. Keyser - Northridge - 16:35
36. Moore - Northridge - 16:35
37. Barnes - Sylvania Northview (OH) - 16:37
38. Grady - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 16:39
39. Martin - Westfield - 16:40
40. McKenna - Hilliard Darby (OH) - 16:40
41. Marcus - North Central (Indianapolis) - 16:41
42. Kolavo - Crown Point - 16:42
43. Wenrich - Warren Central - 16:44
44. Bates - Carmel - 16:45
45. Aldrich - Warren Central - 16:45
46. Urevig - Crown Point - 16:46
47. Piropato - Fort Wayne Northrop - 16:47
48. Stock - Fort Wayne Northrop - 16:47
49. Roberson - Hamilton Southeastern - 16:48
50. Bontrager - Northridge - 16:48
51. Pope - Valparaiso - 16:48
52. Occasio - Columbus North - 16:49
53. Loop - Michigan City - 16:49
54. Thaman - Lawrence North - 16:49
55. Pratt - Lake Central - 16:51
56. Farkas - Lawrence North - 16:51
57. Halpin - Chesterton 16:53
58. Amberg - South Bend Clay - 16:55
59. Slater - LaPorte - 16:56
60. Overway - Logansport - 16:59
61. Cooper - Sylvania Northview (OH) - 16:59
62. Scruton - Columbus North - 17:00
63. Hinrichsen - Fort Wayne Northrop - 17:02
64. Braddy - Michigan City - 17:02
65. Yoder - Northridge - 17:02
66. Fine - Michigan City - 17:03
67. Shiver - Westfield - 17:03
68. Geshay - North Central (Indianapolis) - 17:03
69. Boyd - Lawrence North - 17:04
70. Hopke - Hilliard Darby (OH) - 17:04
71. Dennig - South Bend Clay - 17:04
72. Koch - Crown Point - 17:05
73. Burgess - Valparaiso - 17:05
74. Ryan - Columbus North - 17:05
75. Strader - Michigan City - 17:06
76. St. Armour - Lake Central - 17:06
77. Marshall - Lawrence Central - 17:08
78. Moore - Northview - 17:09
79. Kenney - Chesterton - 17:10
80. Rogers - Chesterton - 17:11
81. Noel - Chesterton - 17:11
82. Spillman - Hamilton Southeastern - 17:11
83. Doerflein - Warren Central - 17:12
84. Crum - Westfield - 17:12
85. Sheridan - Lawrence Central - 17:12
86. McDowell - Westfield - 17:14
87. Kinkead - North Central (Indianapolis) - 17:15
88. Shellenberger - Crown Point - 17:15
89. O'Connell - Sylvania Northview (OH) - 17:16
90. Lutes - Northview - 17:17
91. Hofmeister - Columbus North - 17:17
92. St. Armour - Lake Central - 17:17
93. Witt - Crown Point - 17:18
94. Daugherty - Warren Central - 17:18
95. Wellin - North Central (Indianapolis) - 17:18
96. Costalunga - Valparaiso - 17:22
97. Ebling - Hamilton Southeastern - 17:23
98. Toomey - North Central (Indianapolis) - 17:23
99. Thompson - Hilliard Darby (OH) - 17:24
100. Schultz - Lawrence North - 17:24

Here are the team results from the boys open race:
1. IL #1 Neuqua Valley (IL) - 71
2. #4 LaPorte - 93
3. #5 Carmel - 110
4. #7 Northridge - 149
5. #6 Bloomington North - 166
6. #8 Columbus North - 220
7. #22 Hamilton Southeastern - 268
8. #15 Chesterton - 269
9. #24 Warren Central - 298
10. #19 Westfield - 302
11. #23 Lawrence North - 308
12. #20 Fort Wayne Northrop - 310
13. #21 North Central (Indianapolis) - 312
14. Sylvania Northview (OH) - 324
15. Crown Point - 341
16. Hilliard Darby (OH) - 359
17. Michigan City - 380
18. Valparaiso - 433
19. Lake Central - 465
20. South Bend Clay - 503
21. Northview - 540
22. Lawrence Central - 579
23. Portage - 629
24. Logansport - 710
25. South Bend Adams - 816

[jonesie22]

We will have coverage (including video) of both the boys and girls open races on Saturday at Culver.

Westfield (IN) and Lake Central (IN) really put on a show in defeating Hinsdale Central (IL).

Someone from Illinois with more information that I....was that a full squad for Hinsdale Central?

[greenman]

It was a moral victory for the Hoosier state however as fifth-ranked Carmel was also within striking distance from the team currently ranked second in the midwest.

Here are the individual results of the boys open race:
1. Derrick - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 14:47
2. Fout - LaPorte - 15:05
3. Pawola - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 15:38
4. Hoffman - Bloomington North - 15:39
5. Schoch - Bloomington North - 15:40
6. Mercer - Northridge - 15:44
7. Miller - LaPorte - 15:44
8. Jackson - Hilliard Darby (OH) - 15:46
9. Bird - Fort Wayne Northrop - 15:49
10. Gates - Hamilton Southeastern - 15:50
11. Lovekin - LaPorte - 15:58
12. Beattie - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 16:01
13. Buzzelli - Bloomington North - 16:03
14. Toll - LaPorte - 16:04
15. Pence - Columbus North - 16:05
16. Esbin - Sylvania Northview (OH) - 16:08
17. Gates - Columbus North - 16:09
18. Rosenberg - Carmel - 16:10
19. Osborn - Chesterton - 16:13
20. Porter - Carmel - 16:14
21. Lammers - North Central (Indianapolis) - 16:14
22. Albert - Northridge - 16:20
23. Courtney - Carmel - 16:20
24. Kinn - Carmel - 16:20
25. Smith - Carmel - 16:23
26. Neff - Westfield - 16:24
27. Budnik - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 16:25
28. Winck - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 16:27
29. Kuhl - Lawrence North - 16:28
30. Hitchcock - Hamilton Southeastern - 16:29
31. Drake - Bloomington North - 16:29
32. Ohlman - Carmel - 16:30
33. Pack - Warren Central - 16:34
34. Vanek - Chesterton - 16:34
35. Keyser - Northridge - 16:35
36. Moore - Northridge - 16:35
37. Barnes - Sylvania Northview (OH) - 16:37
38. Grady - Neuqua Valley (IL) - 16:39
39. Martin - Westfield - 16:40
40. McKenna - Hilliard Darby (OH) - 16:40
41. Marcus - North Central (Indianapolis) - 16:41
42. Kolavo - Crown Point - 16:42
43. Wenrich - Warren Central - 16:44
44. Bates - Carmel - 16:45
45. Aldrich - Warren Central - 16:45
46. Urevig - Crown Point - 16:46
47. Piropato - Fort Wayne Northrop - 16:47
48. Stock - Fort Wayne Northrop - 16:47
49. Roberson - Hamilton Southeastern - 16:48
50. Bontrager - Northridge - 16:48
51. Pope - Valparaiso - 16:48
52. Occasio - Columbus North - 16:49
53. Loop - Michigan City - 16:49
54. Thaman - Lawrence North - 16:49
55. Pratt - Lake Central - 16:51
56. Farkas - Lawrence North - 16:51
57. Halpin - Chesterton 16:53
58. Amberg - South Bend Clay - 16:55
59. Slater - LaPorte - 16:56
60. Overway - Logansport - 16:59
61. Cooper - Sylvania Northview (OH) - 16:59
62. Scruton - Columbus North - 17:00
63. Hinrichsen - Fort Wayne Northrop - 17:02
64. Braddy - Michigan City - 17:02
65. Yoder - Northridge - 17:02
66. Fine - Michigan City - 17:03
67. Shiver - Westfield - 17:03
68. Geshay - North Central (Indianapolis) - 17:03
69. Boyd - Lawrence North - 17:04
70. Hopke - Hilliard Darby (OH) - 17:04
71. Dennig - South Bend Clay - 17:04
72. Koch - Crown Point - 17:05
73. Burgess - Valparaiso - 17:05
74. Ryan - Columbus North - 17:05
75. Strader - Michigan City - 17:06
76. St. Armour - Lake Central - 17:06
77. Marshall - Lawrence Central - 17:08
78. Moore - Northview - 17:09
79. Kenney - Chesterton - 17:10
80. Rogers - Chesterton - 17:11
81. Noel - Chesterton - 17:11
82. Spillman - Hamilton Southeastern - 17:11
83. Doerflein - Warren Central - 17:12
84. Crum - Westfield - 17:12
85. Sheridan - Lawrence Central - 17:12
86. McDowell - Westfield - 17:14
87. Kinkead - North Central (Indianapolis) - 17:15
88. Shellenberger - Crown Point - 17:15
89. O'Connell - Sylvania Northview (OH) - 17:16
90. Lutes - Northview - 17:17
91. Hofmeister - Columbus North - 17:17
92. St. Armour - Lake Central - 17:17
93. Witt - Crown Point - 17:18
94. Daugherty - Warren Central - 17:18
95. Wellin - North Central (Indianapolis) - 17:18
96. Costalunga - Valparaiso - 17:22
97. Ebling - Hamilton Southeastern - 17:23
98. Toomey - North Central (Indianapolis) - 17:23
99. Thompson - Hilliard Darby (OH) - 17:24
100. Schultz - Lawrence North - 17:24

Here are the team results from the boys open race:
1. IL #1 Neuqua Valley (IL) - 71
2. #4 LaPorte - 93
3. #5 Carmel - 110
4. #7 Northridge - 149
5. #6 Bloomington North - 166
6. #8 Columbus North - 220
7. #22 Hamilton Southeastern - 268
8. #15 Chesterton - 269
9. #24 Warren Central - 298
10. #19 Westfield - 302
11. #23 Lawrence North - 308
12. #20 Fort Wayne Northrop - 310
13. #21 North Central (Indianapolis) - 312
14. Sylvania Northview (OH) - 324
15. Crown Point - 341
16. Hilliard Darby (OH) - 359
17. Michigan City - 380
18. Valparaiso - 433
19. Lake Central - 465
20. South Bend Clay - 503
21. Northview - 540
22. Lawrence Central - 579
23. Portage - 629
24. Logansport - 710
25. South Bend Adams - 816Neuqua's #2 runner, Jim Riddle, didn't run. He ran 14:46 at Detweiller 2 weeks ago, 20 seconds behind Derrick.

[jonesie22]

Yeah, I knew that.

[greenman]

Well, then why didn't you mention it when stating the #5 team from Indiana is within striking distance of NV? With Riddle running, NV puts 4 in the top 12 and 4 runners ahead of Carmel's #1. I don't think that's striking distance. As you're the editor of a well known and visible website, that's kind of a glaring omission in reporting.

Especially after you deemed it important to ask if Hinsdale ran all their people.

[jenuine13]

We will have coverage (including video) of both the boys and girls open races on Saturday at Culver.

Westfield (IN) and Lake Central (IN) really put on a show in defeating Hinsdale Central (IL).

Someone from Illinois with more information that I....was that a full squad for Hinsdale Central?

Do you have a link to full results for the girls? Their top 7 at Peoria was Elaine Kuckertz, Lauren Zumbach, Roey Hines, Katie Kummerer, Emily Cleary, Grace Hucek, and Heather Stevens.

[runningbaboon]

Yeah, I knew that.

Jonesie, you just make our state look bad when you say it was a moral victory when they crushed some of our best teams without their #2 guy. They would've gone most likely 1,3,4,13,28 for a mere 49 points with him.

[jonesie22]

Well, then why didn't you mention it when stating the #5 team from Indiana is within striking distance of NV? With Riddle running, NV puts 4 in the top 12 and 4 runners ahead of Carmel's #1. I don't think that's striking distance. As you're the editor of a well known and visible website, that's kind of a glaring omission in reporting.

Especially after you deemed it important to ask if Hinsdale ran all their people.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Indiana sucks. How close has anyone in IL been to NV?

And, I do not have anything to do with girls coverage. Hence, the reason I asked.

[jenuine13]

Oh yeah, I forgot. Indiana sucks. How close has anyone in IL been to NV?

And, I do not have anything to do with girls coverage. Hence, the reason I asked.

Do you have a link to girls results? I could probably figure out if Hinsdale was at full strength or not.

[greenman]

Oh yeah, I forgot. Indiana sucks. How close has anyone in IL been to NV?

And, I do not have anything to do with girls coverage. Hence, the reason I asked.That obviously wasn't my point in either case.

I'm just saying you should've mentioned NV was running without one of their top runners if you're going to make a comparison between them and Carmel. You asked whether Hinsdale had their top people, so obviously you agree it makes a difference with regards to who is running, just wondering why you didn't mention that fact for NV.

[Leftfielder]

Watchout, any idea of what you would rate Chris Derrick at on this race where he trashed a record on a course where at least 3 footlocker finalists have run.

[OnTheCouch]

Do you have a link to girls results? I could probably figure out if Hinsdale was at full strength or not.

Full results are at:

http://www.culver.org/students/sports/CrossCountry/Invite07/invite07.asp

It does look like Hinsdale Central was at full strength.

Even the girls who went 1,2,3 (and 5 of the top 14) in the reserve race would not have changed their scores.

[jenuine13]

Full results are at:

http://www.culver.org/students/sports/CrossCountry/Invite07/invite07.asp

It does look like Hinsdale Central was at full strength.

Even the girls who went 1,2,3 (and 5 of the top 14) in the reserve race would not have changed their scores.

Yeah, it looks like they were at full strength, they just didn't run very well. Their 1-7 spread was around 1:40 compared to 1:10 the week before.

[bbop08]

Oh yeah, I forgot. Indiana sucks.

Oh yeah, so does Wisconsin :rolleyes:

[Dyenimator]

Pinckney
Hankins 15:36
Katsefaras 15:59
Wines 16:00
Hohl 16:13
Brunner 16:32

Saline
Johnson 15:50
Conn 16:05
Hunt 16:18
Hernandez 16:21
Lipa 16:45

Williamston
Lutzke 15:46
Nix 15:53
Person 16:16
Barczak 16:29
Risch 17:03

[togorun]

Dyenimator - Do you have the "speed ratings" for the Pinckney, Saline, and Williamston performances at Jackson? Are you considering the course roughly equal to the MIS course?

[watchout]

Watchout, any idea of what you would rate Chris Derrick at on this race where he trashed a record on a course where at least 3 footlocker finalists have run.

going with how I was told it, in their (trusted) opinion, compared to last year's race...


Speed ratings would be ~201 for Derrick, 195 for Fout.

[watchout]

Pinckney
Hankins 15:36
Katsefaras 15:59
Wines 16:00
Hohl 16:13
Brunner 16:32

Saline
Johnson 15:50
Conn 16:05
Hunt 16:18
Hernandez 16:21
Lipa 16:45

Williamston
Lutzke 15:46
Nix 15:53
Person 16:16
Barczak 16:29
Risch 17:03



Quality stuff, I think you're probably right on.

[CaptOfGondor]

the course is very hard but it has one major hill you run up 3 times .... Although i think it is faster than MSU (Although MSU is on a golf course it is not fast, just good compitition) just trying to help your speed rating..... 2 of my four years holds my PR on that course

[CaptOfGondor]

when i mean "hard" i mean the ground is compact and fast

[Dyenimator]

Dyenimator - Do you have the "speed ratings" for the Pinckney, Saline, and Williamston performances at Jackson? Are you considering the course roughly equal to the MIS course?

I have it ~20 sec slower than MIS course.

I'll see if I can work on some ratings after I write some papers tonight.

[XCCowboy]

Oh yeah, I forgot. Indiana sucks. How close has anyone in IL been to NV?

And, I do not have anything to do with girls coverage. Hence, the reason I asked.

Well if you factor in Riddle and he would have been right on Fouts but put Riddle third I think that gives Neuqua 48-49 points and second place was 90+.

At Peoria Woodruff, Neuqua Valley had 42 points ( taking 1st Derrick, 2nd Riddle , and 3rd Pawola) i think and 2nd place was Wheaton North with 92 points ( + there were several other top 15 ranked teams at Woodruff: St Charles North, Geneva, Waubonsie). Wheaton North is ranked 6th right now I think and without all those other high caliber teams they may have been closer.

As for the girls,, from what I saw that was their "A" team.

[maverick]

Well if you factor in Riddle and he would have been right on Fouts but put Riddle third I think that gives Neuqua 48-49 points and second place was 90+.

At Peoria Woodruff, Neuqua Valley had 42 points ( taking 1st Derrick, 2nd Riddle , and 3rd Pawola) i think and 2nd place was Wheaton North with 92 points ( + there were several other top 15 ranked teams at Woodruff: St Charles North, Geneva, Waubonsie). Wheaton North is ranked 6th right now I think and without all those other high caliber teams they may have been closer.

As for the girls,, from what I saw that was their "A" team.

riddle is good, but i dont think he is out the level of Fout quite yet. I would put him about 1/2 way between fout and pawola, or around 1520-1525.

[watchout]

Well if you factor in Riddle and he would have been right on Fouts but put Riddle third I think that gives Neuqua 48-49 points and second place was 90+.

At Peoria Woodruff, Neuqua Valley had 42 points ( taking 1st Derrick, 2nd Riddle , and 3rd Pawola) i think and 2nd place was Wheaton North with 92 points ( + there were several other top 15 ranked teams at Woodruff: St Charles North, Geneva, Waubonsie). Wheaton North is ranked 6th right now I think and without all those other high caliber teams they may have been closer.



riddle is good, but i dont think he is out the level of Fout quite yet. I would put him about 1/2 way between fout and pawola, or around 1520-1525.

I would put him somewhere behind Fout, but I don't know how far... and it doesn't matter in this conversation anyways.


And IMO Wheaton North shouldn't be ranked IL?#6 (if you meant MW#6, then I might take that back... only maybe, though) the way they've been running. Only teams that might be ahead right now are Naperville North and, only maybe, Palatine/York. I would probably put WN as IL#2/3. And since LaPort is IN#3, that actually bodes well for Indiana, NV outscoring the #3 teams in both states by about the same margin.

[DetroiterInIL]

And IMO Wheaton North shouldn't be ranked IL?#6 (if you meant MW#6, then I might take that back... only maybe, though) the way they've been running. Only teams that might be ahead right now are Naperville North and, only maybe, Palatine/York. I would probably put WN as IL#2/3. And since LaPort is IN#3, that actually bodes well for Indiana, NV outscoring the #3 teams in both states by about the same margin.

Watchout... not buying it. WN is probably IL #5. Right now, you have to give the nod to NV - given their head-to-head record - and no one's been close to them. Although, without knowing Riddle's status - if he's seriously hurt - it brings them back to the "pack".

For the potential top-10 MW teams in IL, from just looking at head-to-head for the meets to date, separating Naperville North, Palatine, York and Wheaton North is really, really tough. I'd imagine that if these 4 teams squared off and ran a series of meets; the order of placing could be different every time until you'd exhausted the permutations.

Yet... some of this is based on the head-to-head of Wheaton North vs. NV and Palatine vs. NV. Whereas in the last 2 weeks, NN led Palatine by 4 points in a big meet and Palatine led York by 2 points in a big meet - earlier in the year, NV beat Palatine by 50, and (2 weeks ago?) NV also beat WN by 50.

Palatine's roster's changed since their 2nd place finishing to NV - primarily in the guise of Chano Bernardo - who's their #2 - and would make a noticeable difference in the closeness (he didn't run the first few meets).

So... I'm guessing that analyzing a little beyond just the head-to-head, its
NV, NN, Palatine, York, WN

[Derrick08]

For the information of the "analysts" Riddle has what appears to be a minor shin issue. He has been biking and been in the pool since last Wednesday and will probably begin running sometime within the next week. He will not run, however, until our conference meet in 2 weeks as a precaution.

[watchout]

A few more estimated speed ratings..

Culver Invitational (IN ... 895 course rating)

Neuqua Valley IL - 71 points - 175.6 rating
Chris Derrick Neuqua Valley IL 202.4
Danny Pawola Neuqua Valley IL 185.4
Aaron Beattie Neuqua Valley IL 177.7
Josh Budnik Neuqua Valley IL 169.7
Bryan Winek Neuqua Valley IL 169.1

LaPort IN - 93 points - 173.2 rating
Mike Fout LaPort IN 196.6
Matt Miller LaPort IN 183.5
Kiel Lovekin LaPort IN 178.8
Tyler Toll LaPort IN 176.9
Corbin Slater LaPort IN 159.6

Carmel IN - 110 points - 171.7 rating
Logan Rosenberg Carmel IN 174.9
Daniel Porter Carmel IN 173.7
Kevin Courtney Carmel IN 171.5
Daniel Kinn Carmel IN 171.4
JD Smith Carmel IN 170.4



Palatine Invite (IL ... 820 course rating)

Palatine IL - 77 points - 177.0 rating
Mat Smoody Palatine IL 188.7
Chano Bernardo Palatine IL 182.7
Kevin O'Brien Palatine IL 181.2
Alex Mourousias Palatine IL 173.9
Eddie Lopez Palatine IL 171.7

York IL - 79 points - 176.9 rating
Tom Achtien York IL 192.4
Steve Sulkin York IL 188.6
Mark Talbot York IL 177.0
Brian Spisiak York IL 175.9
Michael Frigo York IL 168.9

Hersey IL - 118 points - 173.0 rating
Kevin Havel Hersey IL 191.9
Bill Wisser Hersey IL 185.2
Erik Stanton Hersey IL 177.8
Matt Cwiok Hersey IL 166.5
Mike Tisza Hersey IL 164.9

Sandburg IL - 141 points - 171.1 rating
Zach Dahleen Sandburg IL 182.1
Mike Marbach Sandburg IL 180.9
Kyle McNicholas Sandburg IL 169.1
Elliot Hevel Sandburg IL 168.0
Kyle Meyer Sandburg IL 167.3

St. Charles North IL - 144 points - 170.2 rating
Scott Speare St. Charles North IL 183.4
Chris DeSilva St. Charles North IL 178.3
Michael Strasser St. Charles North IL 174.0
Rhett Morici St. Charles North IL 165.2
Brad Wheeler St. Charles North IL 164.7

[jonesie22]

Video of the boys open race (Fout/Derrick) can be seen here:

http://www.hoosierauthority.com/Sports/articles.php?spid=1&spmid=354&id=5875

[westxc]

did Ruff run at culver?

[greenman]

I just noticed, what happened to Grady and Ruff of NV? Weren't they in the top 5 in their first 2 meets?

[Osmosis]

I just noticed, what happened to Grady and Ruff of NV? Weren't they in the top 5 in their first 2 meets?

According to the team website, it sounds like they'll both be back in the next couple weeks.

[dangerpenguin]

i dont understand what points mean

[Dyenimator]

1 point = 3 seconds

[watchout]

i dont understand what points mean

Palatine scored 77 points in the meet.
York scored 79 points in the meet.

Points determine what team wins a cross country meet.

What, are you new to the sport or something? ;)



example...
Palatine Invite:

Place School Score Scoring Places
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Palatine 77 3, 8, 11, 25, 30, 34, 40
2 York 79 1, 4, 18, 20, 36, 44, 54
3 Hersey 118 2, 5, 16, 45, 50, 104, 116
4 Sandburg 141 9, 13, 35, 41, 43, 63, 95
5 St. Charles North 144 7, 14, 24, 48, 51, 57, 70

[DetroiterInIL]

Given the recent discussion on the rankings of the top teams in IL - the new coaches poll is out. Here are the top ten for Boys' AAA (largest schools):

September 24, 2007 Points First Place
Votes
1 Naperville (Neuqua Valley) 118 6 1 NCW
2 Naperville (North) 108 1 3 SCH
3 Palatine (H.S.) 101 4 PAL
4 Elmhurst (York) 100 1 2 SCH
5 Wheaton (North) 92 5 SCH
6 Arlington Heights (Hersey) 74 6 PAL
7 Geneva (H.S.) 68 7 SCH
8 St. Charles (North) 59 8 SCH
9 Orland Park (Sandburg) 55 11 SNW
10 LaGrange (Lyons Township) 48 9 SCH

[dangerpenguin]

Palatine scored 77 points in the meet.
York scored 79 points in the meet.

Points determine what team wins a cross country meet.

What, are you new to the sport or something? ;)



example...
Palatine Invite:

Place School Score Scoring Places
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Palatine 77 3, 8, 11, 25, 30, 34, 40
2 York 79 1, 4, 18, 20, 36, 44, 54
3 Hersey 118 2, 5, 16, 45, 50, 104, 116
4 Sandburg 141 9, 13, 35, 41, 43, 63, 95
5 St. Charles North 144 7, 14, 24, 48, 51, 57, 70

haha, no i know all of that, i meant you rankings, like how do you assign points to runners and teams. i think the person above answered that though.

[jonesie22]

HoosierAuthority's Indiana Top 10 right now:

1. Fishers 1
2. Franklin 2
3. LaPorte 4
4. McCutcheon 3
5. Carmel 5
6. Northridge 7
7. Bloomington North 6
8. Noblesville 13
9. Carroll (Fort Wayne) 9
10. DeKalb 10

[maverick]

Video of the boys open race (Fout/Derrick) can be seen here:

http://www.hoosierauthority.com/Sports/articles.php?spid=1&spmid=354&id=5875

did the finish of that race remind anyone of detweiler? It looked kinda similar to me.

[illinoisprepster]

Rankings are up on IPTT: www.illinoispreptoptimes.com.

[XCCowboy]

Video of the boys open race (Fout/Derrick) can be seen here:

http://www.hoosierauthority.com/Sports/articles.php?spid=1&spmid=354&id=5875

That was sweet, nice job Jonesie. I like the music.

[NVwinek]

Lockport Porter Invitational

NV - 40
NN - 50

[crosscountrylover]

Update on the Ohio teams today

Toledo St. John's won the Clay Invite pretty easily today 44-83 without their top runner Joe Miller. But from what i've heard the injury is not too serious, and Miller should be back soon

Full results at: http://www.baumspage.com/cc/clay/2007/boys1.htm

Bubble team Medina really ran good today, defeating the Southeast number 1, 5, and 10 teams at the McDonald's Maymont X-Country Festival in Virginia. Oakton was the number 6 ranked team in the whole country as well.
Medina 134
Oakton 146
Midlothian 162
Oak Ridge 178

Full results at: http://va.milesplit.us/meets/24346/results/54064

[jonesie22]

Indiana's #1 Fishers takes out four other ranked teams in Indiana at its conference meet this past weekend (including bubble team McCutcheon):

Course is 5k. Video of the race can be seen here: http://www.hoosierauthority.com/Boys_Cross_Country/articles.php?spid=19&spmid=21&id=5949

Results: Hoosier Crossroads Conference September 29, 2007

1. #1 Fishers 31
2. #4 McCutcheon 68
3. #8 Noblesville 96
4. #22 Westfield 122
5. #16 Hamilton SE 128
6. Zionsville 130
7. Brownsburg 187
8. Lafayette Jeff 214
9. Harrison 235
10. Avon 239

Top 50 Individuals

1. Sorensen-Z 15:37
2. Gates-HSE 15:38
3. Shields, D.-F 15:46
4. Allen-F 15:50
5. Piggush-F 15:52
6. Medrano-J 15:54
7. Dunlap-N 16:02
8. Stegman-F 16:03
9. Russell-Mc 16:07
10. Hodgen-Mc 16:07
11. Shields, A.-F 16:11
12. Vicenzi-B 16:12
13. Marowski-N 16:15
14. Stewart-Mc 16:15
15. Escalera-Mc 16:16
16. Millares-F 16:18
17. Martin-W 16:22
18. Neff-W 16:22
19. Hitchcock-HSE 16:25
20. Cardwell-Mc 16:28
21. Shiver-W 16:33
22. Dircksen-N 16:34
23. McCarthy-Z 16:34
24. Surfus-A 16:37
25. Ginebaugh-N 16:37
26. Criswell-H 16:38
27. Caesar-F 16:40
28. Roberson-HSE 16:42
29. Becker-N 16:43
30. Regele-V 16:54
31. Clidinst-B 16:57
32. McDowell-W 17:00
33. Cancino-J 17:01
34. Crum-W 17:06
35. Stehr-Z 17:08
36. Cosby-B 17:08
37. Gogolin-H 17:11
38. Fry-W 17:13
39. Ebling-HSE 17:15
40. Spillman-HSE 17:17
41. Jensen-Z 17:20
42. Cox-Mc 17:20
43. Cintas-W 17:22
44. Griesenauer-A 17:22
45. Woodard-H 17:25
46. Wethington-Mc 17:25
47. Waterman-N 17:25
48. Nevrekar-HSE 17:27
49. Proffitt-HSE 17:28
50. Sorenson-N 17:34

[jonesie22]

Indiana's #3 (now #2) LaPorte defeats a solid field at its conference meet this past weekend.

Teams -
1. #3 LaPorte - 1, 2, 4, 5, 19, 28, 46 = 31
2. #16 Chesterton - 3, 6, 13, 20, 21, 30, 33 = 63
3. Crown Point - 7, 15, 16, 24, 26, 37, 38 = 88
4. Michigan City - 10, 11, 12, 27, 41, 45, 49 = 101
5. Lake Central - 8, 9, 34, 35, 36, 44, 50 = 122
6. Valparaiso - 17, 18, 29, 31, 32, 39, 40 = 127
7. Merrillville - 14, 22, 25, 42, 53, 54, 55 = 156
8. Portage - 23, 43, 47, 48, 51, 52 = 212

Individuals -
1. Fout LP, 15:38
2. Miller LP, 15:48
3. Osborn Ch, 15:55
4. Lovekin LP, 16:06
5. Toll LP, 16:08
6. Vanek Ch, 16:11
7. Urevig CP, 16:20
8. Pratt LC, 16:25
9. St. Amour LC, 16:27
10. Braddy MC, 16:29
11. Fine MC, 16:32
12. Loop MC, 16:33
13. Halpin Ch, 16:34
14. Caruana Me, 16:40
15. Koch CP, 16:44
16. Kolavo CP, 16:45
17. Costalunga V, 16:47
18. Pope V, 16:47
19. Dillon LP, 16:49
20. Kenney Ch, 16:50
21. Smith Ch, 16:59
22. Massa Me, 17:01
23. Sullivan Po, 17:04
24. Shellenberger CP, 17:05
25. Gough Me, 17:06
26. Witt CP, 17:07
27. Strader MC, 17:08
28. Slater LP, 17:09
29. Meyer V, 17:11
30. Rogers Ch, 17:13
31. Nuppnau V, 17:16
32. Burgess V, 17:17
33. Noel Ch, 17:18
34. Flores LC, 17:18
35. Ponton LC, 17:20
36. St. Amour LC, 17:23
37. Feder CP, 17:25
38. Likas CP, 17:26
39. Westmoreland V, 17:29
40. Miller V, 17:30
41. Payne MC, 17:32
42. Binder Me, 17:33
43. Balerini Po, 17:35
44. Horecky LC, 17:42
45. Byers MC, 17:43
46. Nona LP, 17:44
47. Coppinger Po, 17:50
48. Walters Po, 17:55
49. Doperalski MC, 17:56
50. Kacius LC, 17:57
51. Longfellow Po, 18:10
52. Quick Po, 18:55
53. Dusik Me, 19:19
54. Caruana Me, 20:09
55. Davis Me, 20:23

[jonesie22]

Other Indiana news:

IN #3 Franklin (formerly #2) was defeated by IN #13 (formerly #18) Center Grove this past weekend at the Johnson County Meet. Franklin is an amazing team of front runners, but is a man down right now and hurting. He is expected to be back next week for Indiana's tournament series.

IN #5 Carmel takes on its conference foes this Wednesday. It is a loaded conference with SEVEN top 25 teams. Will post tonight/tomorrow.

IN #7 Bloomington North leads a loaded field in its conference meet on Thursday. There are three other ranked teams in the field.

Just an update...

[jonesie22]

Carmel, IN is starting to round into form. Not enough up front to challenge Fishers at this point, but they are pretty deep. They took it to six other ranked teams tonight at their conference meet.

Here are the individual results:
1. Mayhew - Terre Haute North - 15:54
2. Rosenberg - Carmel - 16:07
3. Wilson - Ben Davis - 16:08
4. Johnson - Ben Davis - 16:14
5. Kinn - Carmel - 16:15
6. Bantista - Center Grove - 16:20
7. Pack - Warren Central - 16:22
8. Porter - Carmel - 16:22
9. Courtney - Carmel - 16:24
10. White - Ben Davis - 16:26
11. Ohlman - Carmel - 16:29
12. Sullivan - Terre Haute South - 16:30
13. Smith - Carmel - 16:37
14. Kuhl - Lawrence North - 16:38
15. Marcus - North Central - 16:38
16. Sefton N. - Ben Davis - 16:39
17. Boyd - Lawrence North - 16:41
18. Bates - Carmel - 16:43
19. Catt - Center Grove - 16:47
20. Query - Terre Haute North - 16:52
21. Thaman - Lawrence North - 16:52
22. Raker - Center Grove - 16:54
23. Mascari - Terre Haute North - 16:58
24. Aldrich - Warren Central - 17:01
25. Lammers - North Central - 17:04
26. Kinkead - North Central - 17:05
27. Serna - Center Grove - 17:06
28. Davis - Terre Haute North - 17:07
29. Doerflein - Warren Central - 17:08
30. Depasse B. - Terre Haute North - 17:08
31. Wenrich - Warren Central - 17:09
32. Mathews - Warren Central - 17:10
33. Kinman - Center Grove - 17:11
34. Alderfer - North Central - 17:17
35. Goetschel - Terre Haute South - 17:18
36. Stanley - Lawrence North - 17:19
37. Miller - Lawrence North - 17:20
38. Wise - Warren Central - 17:21
39. Meyer - Center Grove - 17:21
40. Harlan - Terre Haute South - 17:22
41. Geshay - North Central - 17:22
42. Mudd - Center Grove - 17:23
43. Williams - Ben Davis - 17:23
44. Farkas - Lawrence North - 17:23
45. Depasse K. - Terre Haute North - 17:27
46. Daugherty - Warren Central - 17:29
47. Toumey - North Central - 17:29
48. Ripley - Lawrence North - 17:38
49. Brinza - Terre Haute North - 17:49
50. Wellin - North Central - 17:52
51. Thomas - Ben Davis - 17:54
52. Head - Terre Haute South - 17:56
53. Sefton J. - Ben Davis - 18:13
54. Wiram - Terre Haute South - 18:17
55. Collier - Terre Haute South - 18:52
56. Stinnett - Terre Haute South - 18:56

Team Scores:
1. #5 Carmel - 35
2. #19 Ben Davis - 76
3. #16 Terre Haute North - 102
4. #13 Center Grove - 107
5. #17 Warren Central - 123
6. #22 Lawrence North - 125
7. #25 North Central - 141
8. Terre Haute South - 193

[watchout]

I know this is a little late, but Galion Invite OH (9/15/07)

St. John's Jesuit
1 Miller 15:17.48 = 190.8
9 Yarnell 15:46.34 = 181.2
26 Madaras 16:15.54 = 171.5
27 Wagner 16:16.45 = 171.2
32 Turissini 16:23.30 = 168.9

Medina
2 Roys 15:21.12 = 189.6
7 Maynard 15:39.65 = 183.5
15 Hunter 16:02.76 = 175.7
38 Walters 16:27.91 = 167.4
42 Rankin 16:30.85 = 166.4



And the reason why Medina stays ranked ahead of SJJ: Medina's #3 runner, Jeremy Aurthur, finished as their #6 at this race. Put him in his normal place, and Medina wins by a little over 20.

[crosscountrylover]

I know this is a little late, but Galion Invite OH (9/15/07)

St. John's Jesuit
1 Miller 15:17.48 = 190.8
9 Yarnell 15:46.34 = 181.2
26 Madaras 16:15.54 = 171.5
27 Wagner 16:16.45 = 171.2
32 Turissini 16:23.30 = 168.9

Medina
2 Roys 15:21.12 = 189.6
7 Maynard 15:39.65 = 183.5
15 Hunter 16:02.76 = 175.7
38 Walters 16:27.91 = 167.4
42 Rankin 16:30.85 = 166.4



And the reason why Medina stays ranked ahead of SJJ: Medina's #2 runner, Jeremy Aurthur, finished as their #6 at this race. Put him in his normal place, and Medina wins by a little over 20.

Your point still applies, but he's their usual number 3 runner

[watchout]

Your point still applies, but he's their usual number 3 runner

thanks, fixed :)

[pr25]

I know this is a little late, but Galion Invite OH (9/15/07)

St. John's Jesuit
1 Miller 15:17.48 = 190.8
9 Yarnell 15:46.34 = 181.2
26 Madaras 16:15.54 = 171.5
27 Wagner 16:16.45 = 171.2
32 Turissini 16:23.30 = 168.9

Medina
2 Roys 15:21.12 = 189.6
7 Maynard 15:39.65 = 183.5
15 Hunter 16:02.76 = 175.7
38 Walters 16:27.91 = 167.4
42 Rankin 16:30.85 = 166.4



And the reason why Medina stays ranked ahead of SJJ: Medina's #3 runner, Jeremy Aurthur, finished as their #6 at this race. Put him in his normal place, and Medina wins by a little over 20.


I still don't think it's justified when SJJ beat them head to head. Look at the Tiffin results, if Miller runs it's a runaway victory for St. John's. 30+ points. When they're on top of their game I don't think anybody in Ohio can touch them.

1. Medina
1 12 13 29 37 (48) (91) = 92
Donny Roys, Sam Maynard, Jeremy Arthur, Hunter Heaton, Lucas Walters,
Kent Rankin, Jake Boyert
2. Louisville
3 10 24 28 72 (195)(199) = 137
Kyle Kling, Jarod Williams, Nick Fresenko, Curtis Hanle, Andrew Nelson,
Dillon Frank, Kyle Lutz
3. Tol. St. John's Jesuit
6 9 11 36 77 (84) (86) = 139
Kevin Yarnell, Chris Madaras, Brett Wagner, Greg Turissini, Preston
Benjamin, Ben Miller, Blake Wysocki

[watchout]

I still don't think it's justified when SJJ beat them head to head. Look at the Tiffin results, if Miller runs it's a runaway victory for St. John's. 30+ points. When they're on top of their game I don't think anybody in Ohio can touch them.

1. Medina
1 12 13 29 37 (48) (91) = 92
Donny Roys, Sam Maynard, Jeremy Arthur, Hunter Heaton, Lucas Walters,
Kent Rankin, Jake Boyert
2. Louisville
3 10 24 28 72 (195)(199) = 137
Kyle Kling, Jarod Williams, Nick Fresenko, Curtis Hanle, Andrew Nelson,
Dillon Frank, Kyle Lutz
3. Tol. St. John's Jesuit
6 9 11 36 77 (84) (86) = 139
Kevin Yarnell, Chris Madaras, Brett Wagner, Greg Turissini, Preston
Benjamin, Ben Miller, Blake Wysocki



The newer results are more important than the earlier results.

Tiffin (9/08)
1 1 Donny Roys Medina 15:35.80
6 6 Kevin Yarnell Tol. St. John's Jesuit 16:01.60
9 9 Chris Madaras Tol. St. John's Jesuit 16:15.60
11 11 Brett Wagner Tol. St. John's Jesuit 16:17.40
12 12 Sam Maynard Medina 16:17.90
13 13 Jeremy Arthur Medina 16:18.25
29 29 Hunter Heaton Medina 16:43.45
36 36 Greg Turissini Tol. St. John's Jesuit 16:53.25
37 37 Lucas Walters Medina 16:53.25

Galion (9/15)
1 Miller, Joe 12 St. John's Jesuit 15:17.48 1
2 Roys, Donny 11 Medina 15:21.12 2
7 Maynard, Sam 12 Medina 15:39.65 7
9 Yarnell, Kevin 11 St. John's Jesuit 15:46.34 9
15 Heaton, Hunter 10 Medina 16:02.76 15
26 Madaras, Chris 11 St. John's Jesuit 16:15.54 26
27 Wagner, Brett 12 St. John's Jesuit 16:16.45 27
32 Turissini, Greg 9 St. John's Jesuit 16:23.30 32
38 Walters, Lucas 11 Medina 16:27.91 38
42 Rankin, Kent 12 Medina 16:30.85 42



Notice how Maynard went from being 42 seconds behind Roys, to only 18?
Notice how Heaton went from being 68 seconds behind Roys, to only 41?
Notice how Walters went from being 78 seconds behind Roys, to only 66?

Or, if you want to argue that that was just Roys not running as well that day...

Notice how Maynard went from being 16 seconds behind Yarnell, to being 7 seconds ahead? (that's about the same change)
Notice how Heaton went from being 42 seconds behind Yarnell, to being 16 behind? (that's about the same change)
(etc.)


What does that point towards? Medina getting better, or at least they were during that weekend. And my #'s followed that trend as well.

But SJJ isn't making as significant of progress.

Medina's #1 and #5 look very similar to SJJ's. It's the #2-4 guys that are making the difference... the first meet, SJJ went 1-2-3 at those spots. The second meet, SJJ only had 1 of the top 3.

So, the question becomes: Which is more of the trend? Medina's guys being within 40 seconds of Roys and 25 ahead of Walters, or SJJ's guys being 40 seconds ahead of Turissini?



SJJ's last meet: (Eagle Invite, 9/29)
1 Yarnell, Kevin St. John's Jesuit 15:58.50 1
4 Wagner, Brett St. John's Jesuit 16:38.00 4
10 Madaras, Chris St. John's Jesuit 16:55.10 10
12 Turissini, Greg St. John's Jesuit 17:05.70 12


Looks like they still have that big gap from #2-3, and their #3 and especially #4 isn't much ahead of their #5.

Medina's last meet: (Maymont, 9/29)
10 Roys, Donny 11 Medina 15:55.94
15 Arthur, Jeremy 12 Medina 16:04.62
34 Maynard, Sam 12 Medina 16:35.02
37 Heaton, Hunter 10 Medina 16:39.19
62 Walters, Lucas 11 Medina 17:08.32


Looks like they have maintained that level, being within about 40 seconds of Roys and 25+ seconds ahead of Walters.


And what would it look like if the races were merged? Since the #5's look about the same, let's just assume that the courses ran just as fast..

SJJ 15:58
M 16:04
M 16:35
SJJ 16:38
M 16:39
SJJ 16:55


... SJJ would not do all that well. They have a 6 second edge at #2, 3 seconds behind at #3, but 16 seconds behind at #4. That would end up being Medina by about 20.

[Greg Beal]

And the reason why Medina stays ranked ahead of SJJ: Medina's #3 runner, Jeremy Aurthur, finished as their #6 at this race. Put him in his normal place, and Medina wins by a little over 20.

Does anyone have a feeling for why promise is often granted more credit than actual performance in high school cross country?

I guess it's because everyone's looking towards the end of the season and the rankers apparently are trying to predict who will be the best rather than who is the best.

Still, in what other sports does winning not count more than what might have been or what will be during the sport's midseason? If a key soccer or baseball player can't play a game, the standings reflect the loss, not the estimation that the team would have won had the key player been in the game.

I have no problem with a claim that a team will probably be better when a key runner is back to 100%. But to rank on that basis just seems wrong. What if the runner never returns to 100% or isn't able to run again during the season?

Isn't it more reasonable to rank what is than what might be?

[pr25]

Does anyone have a feeling for why promise is often granted more credit than actual performance in high school cross country?

I guess it's because everyone's looking towards the end of the season and the rankers apparently are trying to predict who will be the best rather than who is the best.

Still, in what other sports does winning not count more than what might have been or what will be during the sport's midseason? If a key soccer or baseball player can't play a game, the standings reflect the loss, not the estimation that the team would have won had the key player been in the game.

I have no problem with a claim that a team will probably be better when a key runner is back to 100%. But to rank on that basis just seems wrong. What if the runner never returns to 100% or isn't able to run again during the season?

Isn't it more reasonable to rank what is than what might be?


Agreed. What could happen (or should have happened) counts for something, but what did happen should count for a lot more. At least when it comes to the regional rankings. Head to head should be the most important criteria when deciding how two teams stack up.

[watchout]

Does anyone have a feeling for why promise is often granted more credit than actual performance in high school cross country?

I guess it's because everyone's looking towards the end of the season and the rankers apparently are trying to predict who will be the best rather than who is the best.

Still, in what other sports does winning not count more than what might have been or what will be during the sport's midseason? If a key soccer or baseball player can't play a game, the standings reflect the loss, not the estimation that the team would have won had the key player been in the game.

I have no problem with a claim that a team will probably be better when a key runner is back to 100%. But to rank on that basis just seems wrong. What if the runner never returns to 100% or isn't able to run again during the season?

Isn't it more reasonable to rank what is than what might be?

SJJ and Medina have both beaten eachother once. Medina won on 9/8 at Tiffin, and SJJ won on 9/15 at Galion.

SJJ was missing their #1 at Tiffin, and Medina's #3 ran poorly at Galion.

In the meets since, SJJ's #1 has not run, but Medina's #3 is back where he should have been.

If you don't want to play the "what-if" game, Medina still deserves to be ahead of SJJ. Because they have their lineup healthy, while SJJ does not. And neither have proven, H2H, to be any better than the other (since they've split their 2 meetings).

[pr25]

I don't think SJJ is unhealthy, I think they chose to hold Miller out. They won without him. They held him out at Tiffin as well, and he came back the next week to run 15:17. Look at last year's results from the Eagle invitational. Miller likely didn't run because St. John's doesn't take it seriously.

[watchout]

I don't think SJJ is unhealthy, I think they chose to hold Miller out. They won without him. They held him out at Tiffin as well, and he came back the next week to run 15:17. Look at last year's results from the Eagle invitational. Miller likely didn't run because St. John's doesn't take it seriously.

Could be, but you are giving him the benefit of doubt while not doing the same for Medina.

Facts that one would have to go on:

-SJJ and Medina are 1-1 against eachother, both times either lost they held out or had a bad race from at least one varsity runner.
-Medina has shown improvement since their meetings
-SJJ has held out their #1 runner in their only meet since their meeting

With that information, it would be hard to argue that SJJ deserves to be ranked ahead of Medina. Again, they've split their meets against eachother, but SJJ hasn't had their entire lineup running, while Medina has been showing improvement.

[pr25]

A runner being held out and a runner running poorly are NOT equivalent.

Another fact you have to go on:
-SJJ beat them when both ran complete lineups, and most recently.

[DetroiterInIL]

Looking at the MI results from the last weekend, I'm not sure whether Fremont should be moved higher or Pinckney should be moved lower. Granted they were in separate races, but looks like Fremont's a better team than Pinckney.

Anyone have an opinion?

[watchout]

A runner being held out and a runner running poorly are NOT equivalent.

Another fact you have to go on:
-SJJ beat them when both ran complete lineups, and most recently.

not exactly equivalent, but they are the same situation:

Runner A has his only yet off-race of the season, and SJJ wins by 30ish.
SJJ holds out their #1, and Medina wins by 30ish.
Medina shows improvement, SJJ holds out their #1 again.

Most recent results suggest:
SJJ is holding out their #1 for an unknown reason.
Medina's race vs. SJJ was far from their average this season.
Medina has been improving. SJJ has not showed those signs.
SJJ's win over Medina was their best race yet this season, as evidenced by their #3/4 runners.

So... SJJ wins when they're up and Medina is down. Medina wins when SJJ runs their average from the last few races. Medina has gotten better and SJJ has stayed the same.

Medina should be ranked ahead.

[watchout]

Looking at the MI results from the last weekend, I'm not sure whether Fremont should be moved higher or Pinckney should be moved lower. Granted they were in separate races, but looks like Fremont's a better team than Pinckney.

Anyone have an opinion?

pinckney should drop, IMO ... Fremont maybe enters the top-10. But Pinckney can still be ranked ahead because they beat them previously, they were in separate divisions, and the weather was an abnormality (last one is really an excuse, but can still justify a little lee-way).

Maybe Fremont #9 and Pinckney #8, or the other way around.

Pinckney's big matchups:

Portage: Won D1, but looks worse than Fremont in comparison.
Spartan: beat Fremont h2h 104-126.

[imPERSONater]

Just to add a little fuel to the Pinckney/Fremont fire....check out the Michigan forum under "Portage Boys Dream Race." It takes all the runners in every division and races them against each other that day. With the scores all added up, Pinckney takes the meet.

[crosscountrylover]

Could be, but you are giving him the benefit of doubt while not doing the same for Medina.

Facts that one would have to go on:

-SJJ and Medina are 1-1 against eachother, both times either lost they held out or had a bad race from at least one varsity runner.
-Medina has shown improvement since their meetings
-SJJ has held out their #1 runner in their only meet since their meeting

With that information, it would be hard to argue that SJJ deserves to be ranked ahead of Medina. Again, they've split their meets against eachother, but SJJ hasn't had their entire lineup running, while Medina has been showing improvement.


SJJ actually ran with their #1 on sept. 22, winning the Ohio All-Catholic Invite. Miller won that race, and from what i've heard he should be healthy for these next races. ANd just for arguments sake, SJJ did beat medina head to head on august 25, but alot has changed since then obviously.

I think these two teams are really close right now, it will definetely be interesting to see how regionals and states go for these teams. They probably wont be tested again until then at their league championships or districts.

[pr25]

Thanks, I knew SJJ beat them twice, but couldn't find the other meet sifting through Baumspage so i didn't mention it.

[IRunSometimes.]

Illinois regionals
Rolling Meadows
Top 5 Runners
Pl Runner Yr School Time
1 Kevin Havel Sr. Hersey 14:42
2 Mat Smoody Sr. Palatine 14:59
3 Erik Stanton Jr. Hersey 15:00
4 Billy Wisser Sr. Hersey 15:06
5 Kevin O'Brien Sr. Palatine 15:20

Team Results
Pl School Scor Head Coach
1 Palatine 41 Chris Quick
2 Hersey 45 Tim Phillips
3 Dundee Crown 111 Tom Smith
4 Prospect 118 Mike Stokes
5 Barrington 113 Ty Gorman

Minooka
Top 5 Runners
Pl Runner Yr School Time
1 Chris Derrick Sr. Naperville (Neuqua Valley) 14:48
2 Danny Pawola Jr. Naperville (Neuqua Valley) 15:11
3 Aaron Beattie So. Naperville (Neuqua Valley) 15:19
4 Andrew Karas Jr. Plainfield (North) 15:28
5 Josh Keck Jr. Minooka 15:32

Team Results
Pl School Scor Head Coach
1 Naperville (Neuqua Valley) 19 Paul Vandersteen
2 Minooka 81 Kevin Gummerson
3 Oswego 103 Dan Whipple
4 Plainfield (North) 121 Scott Thoms
5 Joliet (Twp.) 134 Doug Cherry

Aurora East
Top 5 Runners
Pl Runner Yr School Time
1 Kyle Gibson Jr. Naperville North 14.24
2 Josh Stein Sr. Marmion Academy 14.33
3 John Newman Sr. Naperville North 14.40
4 Mark Schumacher Sr. Waubonsie Valley 14.45
5 Evan Thayer Sr. Naperville Central 14.48

Team Results
Pl School Scor Head Coach
1 Naperville North 33 David Racey
2 Waubonsie Valley 67 David Severance
3 Naperville Central 98 C.David Ashton II
4 Benet Academy 137 Kevin Renicker
5 Downers Grove South 139 Brian Caldwell

[Osmosis]

MW#1 Neuqua Valley destroyed the very weak Minooka regional with 19 points, going 1-2-3-6-7. #2 runner Jim Riddle didn't run and is still resting for state/nationals.

MW#3 Palatine edged out bubble team Hersey by just 4 points at the Rolling Meadows regional, 41-45. Hersey put 3 in the top 4 but Palatine just had a deeper team.

MW#4 York won the Proviso regional with 38 points (Hinsdale South 2nd with 57), showing a pretty bland performance. Third place Lyons Township's 3rd man was ahead of York's.

MW#6 Wheaton North won the competitive St. Charles regional with 40 points, beating two strong teams, Geneva (47) and St. Charles North (55). Wheaton North had a 1-4 split of 14 seconds but their 5th man was 20 seconds off their 4th.

MW#7 Naperville North won at the Aurora regional with 33 points over Waubonsie Valley (67). Overall impressive performance, 1-4 split of 19 seconds.

[crosscountrylover]

MW #9 Toledo St. John's easily won their district meet with 16 points, taking 1-2-3-4-6. They ran together easily as a pack for most of the race.

1 Miller, Joe 12 Tol. St. Joh 16:29.50
2 Yarnell, Kevin 11 Tol. St. Joh 16:33.60
3 Wagner, Brett 12 Tol. St. Joh 16:39.30
4 Madaras, Chris 11 Tol. St. Joh 16:49.50
6 Turissini, Greg 9 Tol. St. Joh 16:54.40


Medina won their conference race with 18 points

1 Donny Roys 11 Medina 15:59.17
2 Sam Maynard 12 Medina 16:17.29
3 Jeremy Arthur 12 Medina 16:21.91
4 Hunter Heaton 10 Medina 16:31.27
8 Lucas Walters 11 Medina 16:51.54

[JMegs13]

No upsets in Wisconsin this weekend, as all four NTN bubble teams win their sectional meets and advance to state next weekend. Courses were soggy as 3+ inches of rain drenched the state during the week, and times reflected it:

Madison LaFollette beats WI#12 Sauk Prairie as well as WI HMs Madison West and Madison Memorial:
1. Madison La Follette 22 (1,3,4,5,9)
2. Sauk Prairie 94 (10,12,16,19,37)
3. Madison West 97 (2,14,26,27,28)
4. Madison Memorial 97 (15,17,18,23,24)

LaFollette's Top 5:
1 1 30 John Prusynski 12 Madison La Follette 16:11
3 3 27 Andy Buchanan 12 Madison La Follette 16:32
4 4 28 Garrett Eklof 12 Madison La Follette 16:38
5 5 26 Alex Brill 11 Madison La Follette 16:38
9 9 29 Hayden Lamb 12 Madison La Follette 16:51

Marquette beats WI#6 Milwaukee King and WI#12 Whitefish Bay:
1. Marquette 39 (2,4,6,7,20)
2. Milwaukee King 49 (1,5,12,15,16)
3. Whitefish Bay 85 (3,10,21,23,28)

Marquette's Top 5:
2 Jones, Bill SR Marquette 16:44 2
4 Casey, Will SO Marquette 16:56 4
6 Megna, Jordan SR Marquette 17:02 6
7 Erschen, Jake SO Marquette 17:07 7
20 Frohmader, Mike SO Marquette 17:46 20

Port Washington beats D2#2 Shorewood and D2#8 Wisconsin Lutheran:
1. Port Washington 34 (3,4,7,8,12)
2. Shorewood 44 (1,2,10,15,16)
3. Wisconsin Lutheran 91 (11,13,19,21,27)

Port's Top 5:
3 #140 Allen, Mark Port Washington 16:51.62 3
4 #143 Hackett, Jack Port Washington 16:54.26 4
7 #147 Zauner, Colin Port Washington 16:59.85 7
8 #146 Ross, Evan Port Washington 17:05.10 8
12 #144 Jones, Ethan Port Washington 17:29.16 12

Stevens Point beats a host of bottomfeeder teams from the state quite handily, scoring 23 points. Second place had 100:

Stevens Point's Top 5:
1 Hatton, Nate 11 Stevens Point 16:38.32 1
4 Zdroik, Bryan 12 Stevens Point 16:54.51 4
5 Prybelski, Paul 10 Stevens Point 17:04.00 5
6 King, Jordan 11 Stevens Point 17:05.56 6
7 Senefeld, Jack 11 Stevens Point 17:06.59 7

[jonesie22]

Indiana's state finals are this weekend in Terre Haute. Here are results from this past Saturday's semi-state action involving the state's top teams.

Indiana #2 LaPorte over Indiana #3 McCutcheon 74-78 at New Prairie:

1 #361 Fout, Michael 12 Laporte 4:55.5 15:17.99 1
2 #342 Medrano, Tito 12 Lafayette Jefferson 5:10.2 16:03.75 2
3 #445 Balser, Cameron 11 Oak Hill 5:13.5 16:13.85 3
4 #472 Daluga, Derek 12 West Lafayette 5:13.8 16:14.84 4
5 #362 Lovekin, Kiel 12 Laporte 5:14.2 16:15.96 5
6 #363 Miller, Matthew 11 Laporte 5:14.5 16:17.07 6
7 #386 Hodgen, J.R. 12 MC Cutcheon 5:15.9 16:21.23 7
8 #356 Pratt, Kenton 12 Lake Central 5:16.1 16:22.08 8
9 #289 Arroyo, Alejandro 10 Culver Academy 5:16.3 16:22.65 9
10 #399 Braddy, Robert 12 Michigan City 5:16.5 16:23.12 10
11 #272 Osborn, David 10 Chesterton 5:16.6 16:23.60 11
12 #432 Smiley, Kyle 11 New Prairie 5:16.8 16:24.27 12
13 #390 Russell, Ross 11 MC Cutcheon 5:17.9 16:27.41 13
14 #324 Liechty, Kale 12 Hobart 5:18.0 16:28.01
15 #437 McClain, Matt 12 Oak Hill 5:19.5 16:32.56 14
16 #421 Williams, Blake 12 Munster 5:20.1 16:34.40 15
17 #275 Vanek, Chester 12 Chesterton 5:21.2 16:37.93 16
18 #412 Burgwald, James 12 Munster 5:21.4 16:38.50 17
19 #391 Stewart, Robby 11 MC Cutcheon 5:21.7 16:39.37 18
20 #387 Cardwell, Alex 12 MC Cutcheon 5:22.8 16:42.70 19
21 #263 O'Boyle, Ian 11 Bishop Noll 5:23.3 16:44.26
22 #418 Platt, Brooks 09 Munster 5:23.4 16:44.70 20
23 #388 Escalera, Albaro 11 MC Cutcheon 5:23.5 16:45.07 21
24 #336 Carden, Jacob 10 Kouts 5:24.0 16:46.55
25 #278 Koch, Logan 12 Crown Point 5:24.1 16:46.92 22
26 #473 Jimenz-Corredor, Ju 10 West Lafayette 5:24.2 16:47.26 23
27 #15 Bennett, Jacob 12 Andrean 5:24.4 16:47.76 24
28 #400 Loop, Robert 12 Michigan City 5:24.6 16:48.26 25
29 #436 Blair, Bryant 12 Oak Hill 5:25.1 16:49.95 26
30 #17 Bonk, Garett 12 Andrean 5:25.4 16:50.73 27
31 #413 Gehrig, Matt 11 Munster 5:25.9 16:52.31 28
32 #448 Cook, Calvin 11 Plymouth 5:26.4 16:53.92 29
33 #398 Massa, Corbin 12 Merrillville 5:26.6 16:54.43
34 #364 Toll, Tyler 12 Laporte 5:26.8 16:55.06 30
35 #312 Gladys, David 10 Hanover Central 5:27.8 16:58.30
36 #401 Fine, Nolan 12 Michigan City 5:28.3 16:59.87 31
37 #365 Dillon, Corey 12 Laporte 5:28.6 17:00.84 32
38 #265 Halpin, Thomas 09 Chesterton 5:28.7 17:01.15 33
39 #468 Pope, Brendan 11 Valparaiso 5:29.5 17:03.47 34
40 #276 Biery, Miles 11 Clinton Prairie 5:30.3 17:05.97
41 #279 Urevig, Zack 12 Crown Point 5:31.4 17:09.46 35
42 #302 Vazquez, Javier 09 Frankfort 5:31.6 17:10.07 36
43 #374 Feitz, David 12 Lowell 5:31.8 17:10.71 37
44 #474 Siegmund, Gregor 11 West Lafayette 5:32.0 17:11.20 38
45 #359 St. Amour, Matt 12 Lake Central 5:32.1 17:11.73 39
46 #402 Strader, Philip 11 Michigan City 5:32.3 17:12.14 40
47 #447 Garretson, Aaron 11 Peru 5:32.4 17:12.54
48 #267 Kenney, Shane 10 Chesterton 5:32.5 17:12.95 41
49 #358 St. Amour, Marc 12 Lake Central 5:33.5 17:16.09 42
50 #411 Andjelich, Jovan 12 Munster 5:33.7 17:16.54 43
51 #317 Gogolin, Scott 11 Harrison 5:33.9 17:17.12 44
52 #449 Galt, Matthew 12 Plymouth 5:34.1 17:18.00 45
53 #372 Overway, Kyle 09 Logansport 5:34.3 17:18.45
54 #337 Cancino, Giovanni 12 Lafayette Jefferson 5:35.0 17:20.58 46
55 #277 Kolavo, Joe 12 Crown Point 5:35.4 17:21.92 47
56 #315 Criswell, Seth 11 Harrison 5:36.3 17:24.80 48
57 #435 Coburn, Michael 10 Northfield 5:36.7 17:25.85
58 #13 Alvarez, Joseph 11 Andrean 5:37.3 17:27.86 49
59 #465 Costalunga, Kevin 11 Valparaiso 5:37.5 17:28.38 50
60 #273 Rogers, Jon 10 Chesterton 5:37.6 17:28.79 51
61 #475 Poulsen, Kiran 12 West Lafayette 5:37.7 17:29.15 52
62 #327 Holston, Ian 11 Kokomo 5:37.9 17:29.56 53
63 #14 Becerra, Adam 12 Andrean 5:38.1 17:30.33 54
64 #367 Nona, Daniel 12 Laporte 5:38.2 17:30.76 55
65 #414 Hamilton, Kenny 12 Munster 5:38.7 17:32.15 56
66 #485 Scott, Corey 11 Western 5:38.9 17:32.77 57
67 #331 Sheline, Brandon 12 Kokomo 5:39.5 17:34.62 58
68 #450 Johnson, Peter 12 Plymouth 5:39.7 17:35.17 59
69 #415 Kasmark, Sam 12 Munster 5:40.0 17:36.21 60
70 #460 Meyer, Matthew 12 Valparaiso 5:40.4 17:37.48 61
71 #404 Payne, Garrett 11 Michigan City 5:40.5 17:37.88 62
72 #349 Flores, Efrain 10 Lake Central 5:40.8 17:38.61 63
73 #355 Ponton, Jake 10 Lake Central 5:41.0 17:39.16 64
74 #464 Burgess, Matthew 11 Valparaiso 5:41.4 17:40.46 65
75 #274 Smith, Ian 10 Chesterton 5:41.6 17:41.27 66
76 #22 Ramirez, Andres 11 Andrean 5:41.7 17:41.64 67
77 #283 Witt, Brian 11 Crown Point 5:42.1 17:42.71 68
78 #333 White, Devin 12 Kokomo 5:42.3 17:43.46 69
79 #271 Noel, Chris 10 Chesterton 5:42.8 17:44.81 70
80 #20 Janiga, Anthony 10 Andrean 5:42.9 17:45.23 71
81 #366 Slater, Corbin 11 Laporte 5:43.1 17:45.72 72
82 #301 Chairez, Ramon 11 Frankfort 5:43.2 17:46.23 73
83 #385 Comp, Bryce 09 MACONAQUAH 5:43.5 17:47.08
84 #282 Feder, Andrew 12 Crown Point 5:43.7 17:47.55 74
85 #470 Nuppnau, John 10 Valparaiso 5:43.9 17:48.25 75
86 #378 Lamb, Jake 11 Lowell 5:44.1 17:49.09 76
87 #339 Farrell, Jake 11 Lafayette Jefferson 5:44.7 17:50.72 77
88 #338 Cook, Peter 12 Lafayette Jefferson 5:44.8 17:51.12 78
89 #392 Wethington, Jared 10 MC Cutcheon 5:45.0 17:51.79 79
90 #405 Byers, Ryan 09 Michigan City 5:45.2 17:52.24 80
91 #484 Martinez, Zacaria 11 Western 5:45.3 17:52.77 81
92 #380 Wiersma, Zachary 11 Lowell 5:45.6 17:53.58 82
93 #300 Zimmerman, Coleman 10 Culver Academy 5:45.9 17:54.60 83
94 #384 Pattee, Kyle 10 Lowell 5:46.1 17:55.14 84
95 #486 Love, Chris 09 Western 5:46.3 17:55.79 85
96 #389 Cox, Mitchel 11 MC Cutcheon 5:46.5 17:56.47 86
97 #406 Doperalski, Ryan 12 Michigan City 5:46.9 17:57.65 87
98 #285 Likas, Colin 10 Crown Point 5:47.0 17:58.06 88
99 #466 Miller, John 11 Valparaiso 5:47.4 17:59.23 89
100 #298 Trennepohl, Chris 10 Culver Academy 5:47.6 17:59.70

[jonesie22]

Indiana #1 Fishers over Indiana #4 Carmel and #5 Franklin at Franklin Central.

There were 12 ranked teams in this race!

Fishers - 65 Carmel - 93 Franklin - 115

1 383 Zach Gates 12 Hamilton Southeastern 15:31.9 5:01
2 1 340 Drew Shields 11 Fishers 15:45.8 5:06
3 2 329 John Pence 12 Columbus North 15:48.8 5:07
4 3 334 Cale Allen 12 Fishers 15:51.8 5:07
5 4 434 Ben Biz Bizun 12 Pike 15:54.8 5:08
6 5 351 Scott Lasiter 11 Franklin Central 15:56.1 5:09
7 6 367 Ricky Warren 12 Franklin Community 15:57.0 5:09
8 7 494 Dylan Sorensen 11 Zionsville 16:02.5 5:11
9 8 277 Daniel Kinn 11 Carmel 16:03.3 5:11
10 9 366 Zach Tranter 11 Franklin Community 16:04.2 5:12
11 10 369 Sean Wilson 12 Franklin Community 16:04.5 5:12
12 11 479 Caleb Pack 11 Warren Central 16:04.6 5:12
13 12 449 David Eichenberger 12 Plainfield 16:04.9 5:12
14 13 438 Michael Jordan 11 Pike 16:06.1 5:12
15 14 259 Andy Wilson 12 Ben Davis 16:11.1 5:14
16 15 284 J.D. Smith 11 Carmel 16:11.8 5:14
17 16 339 Nate Piggush 12 Fishers 16:11.8 5:14
18 17 341 Alex Shields 11 Fishers 16:11.9 5:14
19 18 413 Colin Dunlap 12 Noblesville 16:12.0 5:14
20 19 283 Logan Rosenberg 11 Carmel 16:16.5 5:15
21 20 271 Scott Vicenzi 10 Brownsburg 16:17.3 5:16
22 21 356 Joe Talhelm 11 Franklin Central 16:18.3 5:16
23 496 Marlatt Brian 12 Rushville 16:19.7 5:17
24 22 275 Kevin Courtney 12 Carmel 16:20.6 5:17
25 23 390 Pierce Kuhl 12 Lawrence North 16:21.2 5:17
26 24 350 Zach Jenkins 11 Franklin Central 16:22.3 5:17
27 25 435 Matt Cain 12 Pike 16:22.5 5:17
28 26 251 Traishaun Johnson 10 Ben Davis 16:25.1 5:18
29 27 424 Jonny Duty 12 Perry Meridian 16:25.5 5:18
30 28 338 Josh Millares 9 Fishers 16:30.3 5:20
31 370 Jeremiah Vaughan 12 Franklin County 16:32.9 5:21
32 29 280 Tom Ohlman 10 Carmel 16:32.9 5:21
33 30 490 Kevin McCarthy 12 Zionsville 16:35.4 5:22
34 385 James Ricker 10 Indpls.Cathedral 16:36.5 5:22
35 31 297 Ben Serna 12 Center Grove 16:39.3 5:23
36 32 331 Evan Scruton 10 Columbus North 16:39.8 5:23
37 33 342 Tyler Stegman 12 Fishers 16:40.1 5:23
38 34 324 Zach Gates 11 Columbus North 16:40.7 5:23
39 35 415 Collin Ginebaugh 9 Noblesville 16:41.5 5:24
40 36 433 Lance Young 10 Perry Meridian 16:41.9 5:24
41 37 482 Orion Wenrich 12 Warren Central 16:42.2 5:24
42 38 476 Joel Mathews 12 Warren Central 16:43.8 5:24
43 39 335 Omavi Caesar 10 Fishers 16:44.6 5:25
44 40 492 Oliver Regele 12 Zionsville 16:45.6 5:25
45 41 412 Blake Dircksen 11 Noblesville 16:46.5 5:25
46 42 273 Brian Bates 11 Carmel 16:48.6 5:26
47 43 309 Austin Vanbastelaer 10 Centerville 16:49.4 5:26
48 44 368 Geoff Wilkerson 12 Franklin Community 16:49.6 5:26
49 45 257 Donovan White 12 Ben Davis 16:50.1 5:26
50 46 359 Jacob Campbell 12 Franklin Community 16:50.3 5:26
51 47 407 Timothy Spurlock 11 New Castle 16:50.6 5:26
52 48 291 Andrew Kinman 12 Center Grove 16:50.6 5:26
53 49 352 Andrew Miniear 12 Franklin Central 16:51.8 5:27
54 50 419 Scott Sorensen 12 Noblesville 16:51.8 5:27
55 384 Jesten Yager 11 Indian Creek 16:52.5 5:27
56 51 417 Cody Marowski 10 Noblesville 16:52.8 5:27
57 52 429 David Riggleman 12 Perry Meridian 16:53.3 5:27
58 470 Lance Nelson 10 Southport 16:54.6 5:28
59 53 422 Kameron Casey 9 Perry Meridian 16:54.7 5:28
60 54 327 Gabe Ocasio 9 Columbus North 16:55.7 5:28
61 55 493 Zan Siddiqi 10 Zionsville 16:56.3 5:28
62 56 386 Chris Boyd 11 Lawrence North 16:56.4 5:28
63 57 282 Daniel Porter 10 Carmel 16:57.0 5:29
64 58 464 Sean McGuire 12 Roncalli 16:58.0 5:29
65 59 467 Alex Schoettle 10 Roncalli 16:58.1 5:29
66 60 472 Micah Aldrich 12 Warren Central 16:58.4 5:29
67 285 Lucas Holt 11 Cascade 16:58.6 5:29
68 61 357 Michael Whyde 10 Franklin Central 16:59.1 5:29
69 62 288 Nathan Catt 10 Center Grove 17:00.5 5:30
70 63 397 Eric Thaman 12 Lawrence North 17:03.3 5:31
71 272 Zach Burns 11 Cambridge City (lincoln) 17:04.1 5:31
72 64 474 Ryan Daugherty 11 Warren Central 17:04.4 5:31
73 65 455 Andrew Wilhelm 10 Plainfield 17:04.8 5:31
74 66 325 Tim Hofmeister 9 Columbus North 17:04.9 5:31
75 67 316 Michael Kurtz 11 Columbus East 17:05.9 5:31

[jonesie22]

Indiana #6 Northridge is coming on again.

1 1 46 James Martin Carroll (FW) 15:37 5:02/M 9
2 2 168 Ladd Mercer Northridge 15:43 5:04/M 12
3 3 175 Sam Bird Northrop (FW) 15:58 5:09/M 12
4 4 162 Andrew Albert Northridge 15:59 5:09/M 11
5 (< 5) 114 Andy Bayer Leo 16:00 5:10/M 12
6 (< 5) 51 Harrison Fausey Columbia City 16:07 5:12/M 12
7 5 167 Mitch Keyser Northridge 16:18 5:15/M 11
8 (< 5) 236 Derek Stinefield Wapahani 16:18 5:15/M 11
9 6 201 Nathan Hendershot Pendleton Heights 16:20 5:16/M 10
10 7 109 Ross Ochs Huntington North 16:20 5:16/M 10
11 8 69 Nathan Morrow DeKalb 16:20 5:16/M 12
12 9 132 Craig Padgett Mishawaka 16:20 5:16/M 12
13 10 68 Andrew Morrow DeKalb 16:20 5:16/M 12
14 11 250 Jeff Wysong West Noble 16:21 5:16/M 12
15 12 170 Trevor Moore Northridge 16:22 5:17/M 9
16 (< 5) 89 Alex Stoltie Garrett 16:25 5:18/M 11
17 13 224 Michael Bradley St. Joseph's (SB) 16:26 5:18/M 10
18 14 44 Austin Kilmer Carroll (FW) 16:29 5:19/M 11
19 15 210 Benjamin Bontrager Penn 16:30 5:19/M 12
20 (< 5) 85 Race Dorsey Elkhart Memorial 16:32 5:20/M 11
21 (< 5) 12 Braden Nelson Angola 16:33 5:20/M 12
22 16 164 Taylor Bontrager Northridge 16:36 5:21/M 11
23 17 195 Klayton Reed Norwell 16:37 5:22/M 12
24 18 183 Andrew Piropato Northrop (FW) 16:38 5:22/M 12
25 19 45 Robert Kleber Carroll (FW) 16:38 5:22/M 11
26 20 173 Tony Yoder Northridge 16:39 5:22/M 12
27 21 213 William Crane Penn 16:40 5:23/M 12
28 22 179 Cedrick Hannah Northrop (FW) 16:43 5:24/M 10
29 23 221 Lance Wu Penn 16:45 5:24/M 12
30 24 9 D.J. Taylor Anderson Highland 16:46 5:25/M 10
31 25 181 Erin Milton Northrop (FW) 16:48 5:25/M 10
32 26 178 Cameron DeFord Northrop (FW) 16:48 5:25/M 12
33 27 104 Mark Herber Huntington North 16:48 5:25/M 12
34 28 226 Benjamin DeTrempe St. Joseph's (SB) 16:48 5:25/M 12
35 (< 5) 11 Curtis Kent Angola 16:48 5:25/M 10
36 (< 5) 90 Cameron Miller Goshen 16:50 5:26/M 11
37 29 242 Joseph Landeros West Noble 16:51 5:26/M 9
38 30 48 Michael Nussa Carroll (FW) 16:52 5:26/M 11
39 31 5 Chris Jones Anderson Highland 16:52 5:26/M 12
40 32 39 Nickolas Card Carroll (FW) 16:53 5:27/M 11
41 (< 5) 113 Austin O'Connor John Glenn 16:54 5:27/M 12
42 33 64 Zeth Baker DeKalb 16:55 5:27/M 11
43 34 144 Mike Mead Mount Vernon (Fortville) 16:55 5:27/M 11
44 35 42 Bradley Hess Carroll (FW) 16:56 5:28/M 9
45 36 187 Mike Caley Norwell 16:56 5:28/M 11
46 37 126 Michael Waymire Marion 16:57 5:28/M 11
47 38 63 Daniel Zelaya Concord 16:58 5:28/M 9
48 39 62 Andrew Witkowski Concord 16:59 5:29/M 10
49 40 120 Matthew Lakes Marion 17:01 5:29/M 11
50 (< 5) 88 Joseph Herber Fremont 17:02 5:30/M 12

[maverick]

illinois sectional meets roll out today, should be interesting to see some results.