NH Girls XC

[mhsxcrunner]

Okay so these are my opinions on top 3 class L teams, based on class Ls last year and any additions to teams, e.t.c

1.)Manchester Memorial-Manchester West-neither teams lost any highly significant runners. West has Julie Quinn and Kristin Johnson, and Nicole Wrobel, who all individually quialified for m.o.c last year, as well as a competitive incoming freshman, Kelsey Hunt. Memorial returns the class L champ and runner up, Jenna Marchhausen and Holly Banaian, as well as Khrysta Brewster who had an impressive track season, and Jackie Dussualt who has run some impressive times this summer, and i heard shes been piling on a few morning runs as well ;) . It's questionable whether Memorial will have any additions to the team, but it is looking up. These two teams should be real close.

2.) Pinkerton-based on Ashley Morgensterns track season, she should be a top finisher again this year. Pinkerton only loses one of their scoring runners this year.

[CVXCrunnerJR]

ok, i dont know much about the girls XC cuz i dont keep tack of that stuff... but i do know that laura laplante of conval put up some blazing times last year in track and will probably do it again in cross country, but she has no help on the team. Last spring she usually practiced with the guys

[mhsxcrunner]

yeah, i forgot about her. I don't really know much about class I teams, but I know that Nicole Slanes been getting over an injury, but she should be ready for xc this year. Katie Chwasiak had a pretty good track season, and she's attending that dartmouth running camp with the whole central team, so she should have another amazing xc season as well. I dont know where Brigette Black is at, the last time I saw her run was at junior olympic nationals in december, but I expect she'll be ready for xc after all that nordic skiing and such. Also, Gretchen Andrus had WICKED indoor and outdoor seasons, and as it will be her senior year, I bet she'll be up there at m.o.c.

btw, so like any girls post on hear at all?

[Lane of High Hopes]

there already was a thread on this

[preppyrunner]

I think Manchester West will have a good team this season due to the incoming freshmen. Manchester Central only lost one top runner and if everyone stays healthy they should be a top contender. Concord problary wont be great because a lot of their top athletes have graduated.

[mhsxcrunner]

I think Manchester West will have a good team this season due to the incoming freshmen. Manchester Central only lost one top runner and if everyone stays healthy they should be a top contender. Concord problary wont be great because a lot of their top athletes have graduated.

Yeah, i thought about central, but i heard a rumor...I KNOW A RUMOR..that melissa guenther was having a knee problem and is trying to train through it...so that doesnt sound so good, they still have Ashby and a fairly deep team...but without Lessard and if Guenther is still hurt I just think the other teams in Manchester will have a better chance...but i do agree about west...they're lookin pretty good right about now. Kristin Johnson is in pretty good shape so she should have a pretty awesome xc season, I imagine that Kristin and Kelsey Hunt(incoming freshman) will be battleing for the #2 spot after Julie Quinn..or you never know.. :rolleyes:

[preppyrunner]

Melissa Guenther is still training, so i have heard. If she keeps feeling good, she will not need the surgery.

[Iron Chef]

Okay so these are my opinions on top 3 class L teams, based on class Ls last year and any additions to teams, e.t.c

1.)Manchester Memorial-Manchester West-neither teams lost any highly significant runners. West has Julie Quinn and Kristin Johnson, and Nicole Wrobel, who all individually quialified for m.o.c last year, as well as a competitive incoming freshman, Kelsey Hunt. Memorial returns the class L champ and runner up, Jenna Marchhausen and Holly Banaian, as well as Khrysta Brewster who had an impressive track season, and Jackie Dussualt who has run some impressive times this summer, and i heard shes been piling on a few morning runs as well ;) . It's questionable whether Memorial will have any additions to the team, but it is looking up. These two teams should be real close.

2.) Pinkerton-based on Ashley Morgensterns track season, she should be a top finisher again this year. Pinkerton only loses one of their scoring runners this year.

Lets not forget that Central has very strong girls team returning ;-)

[chsrnnrchick]

Ya central is looking good. how are your runs w/ TC preppy!?

[Iron Chef]

Holly Is My Hero! Haha :)

[mhsxcrunner]

yeah...holly is pretty cool

[CVXCrunnerJR]

holly... its kinda weird how you praise yourself...

[mhsxcrunner]

alex...thanks for revealing me pal..i was trying to cover up for ironchef..and also, it's pretty cool how your avitar is a picture of yourself :D

[CVXCrunnerJR]

hey why not. What else would an avatar be for? Unlike some other people on here *ahem* i dont try to be secretive about who i am

[Iron Chef]

hey why not. What else would an avatar be for? Unlike some other people on here *ahem* i dont try to be secretive about who i am
I go for the whole no avaitor approach...works well for me. And by the way.....Holly who?!? ;-)

[CVXCrunnerJR]

I go for the whole no avaitor approach...works well for me. And by the way.....Holly who?!? ;-)

she probably wouldnt appreciate it if i told you ;)

[Iron Chef]

she probably wouldnt appreciate it if i told you ;)
it's ok...not like she is cool enough for me :eek:

Edit.....im just kidding!

[westrunner07]

In regards to your predictions, Holly:

I don't know about Pinkerton - Ashley Morganstern is all they have, unless Katie Ormond starts running better, but that's still just 2 runners. They came in 6th at Class L's and 9th at MOC last year - that's nothing special.

Manchester Central could be good if they start running up to their potential - Guenther, Ashby, Cassighino, Gibbons, Montville, and Fremeau have all run well in the past, but are not all consistent. I think you're right, Holly, in that Manch W and M will be the best from the Queen City. (City Meet will be very competitive!)

Don't forget Keene!! They came in 3rd at Class Ls and MOC last year and are returning good runners. They always have a strong program.

BG also has potential with Ashley Neville, Amy Burke, Emily Mastropiero, Christine Page, Kirsten Green, Carolyn Husovsky, and Liz Gagnon. However, they always burn out by the end of the season (disappointing 9th at Class L's last year) and never live up to their ever-present potential.

[xcrunner4]

bg will not burn out.

[Lane of High Hopes]

What makes you say that? Personally I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't just because they've had so many years to learn from their mistakes.

[mhsxcrunner]

Yeah, I was basing this on Class L's last year. Pinkerton was basically just the next team who hadn't lost many people, and since Ashley Morgenstern has been running so well...cigna..yeah :(

[Iron Chef]

Yeah, I was basing this on Class L's last year. Pinkerton was basically just the next team who hadn't lost many people, and since Ashley Morgenstern has been running so well...cigna..yeah :(
ahhh...well if you are basing it on L's from last year...isn't Central the team to beat... hehehehe! I think Memorial can pull it off though ;-)

[xcrunner4]

What makes you say that? Personally I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't just because they've had so many years to learn from their mistakes.

true. bg is gonna do good this yr bc they are gonna train differently then before and wont race in as many races as they did last yr. its gonna be a good yr for them.

[Lane of High Hopes]

oh cool. how do you know this?

[westrunner07]

true. bg is gonna do good this yr bc they are gonna train differently then before and wont race in as many races as they did last yr. its gonna be a good yr for them.
That would be great if BG xc redeems themselves this year - they have so many good runners.

So, what about girls xc on the individual level - Laura Laplante and Gretchen Andrus seem to be the favorites for MOC, but they are both from Class I ... what about Class L? M&S?

[mhsxcrunner]

That would be great if BG xc redeems themselves this year - they have so many good runners.

So, what about girls xc on the individual level - Laura Laplante and Gretchen Andrus seem to be the favorites for MOC, but they are both from Class I ... what about Class L? M&S?

you think so? I'm guessing you're basing this on their track seasons?I'm not so sure, they both seem to be better track runners.

[64squares]

So, what about girls xc on the individual level - Laura Laplante and Gretchen Andrus seem to be the favorites for MOC, but they are both from Class I ... what about Class L? M&S?
Regarding MOC, bear in mind that some teams and/or individuals may run MOC only to qualify for NE. MOC is week 2 of a 3 week run that starts with Class and ends with NE. This makes predicting an MOC winner even tougher. But as far as Class L runners to watch, here you go:

Based on last year's major races at Derryfield (Manchester Invitational, Class, and MOC), Holly Banaian looks like the strongest returnee. Only six returning NH Class L runners broke 20:00 at Derryfield last year. Twice for Banaian (19:38, 19:39), Marschhausen (19:32, 19:48), and Morgenstern (19:55, 19:51) and once for Guenther (19:53), Howe (19:51), and Quinn (19:45). Add to this mix two promising freshmen, West's Kelsey Hunt and BG's Ashley Neville.

Regarding your Class I predictions, I'd add Hanover's Bridgette Black and Merrimack Valley's Katie Chwasciak, NH's top two finishers at NE last year, to the list. Of course, if Slane shows up and runs well, no one touches her.

[mhsxcrunner]

Regarding MOC, bear in mind that some teams and/or individuals may run MOC only to qualify for NE. MOC is week 2 of a 3 week run that starts with Class and ends with NE. This makes predicting an MOC winner even tougher. But as far as Class L runners to watch, here you go:

Based on last year's major races at Derryfield (Manchester Invitational, Class, and MOC), Holly Banaian looks like the strongest returnee. Only six returning NH Class L runners broke 20:00 at Derryfield last year. Twice for Banaian (19:38, 19:39), Marschhausen (19:32, 19:48), and Morgenstern (19:55, 19:51) and once for Guenther (19:53), Howe (19:51), and Quinn (19:45). Add to this mix two promising freshmen, West's Kelsey Hunt and BG's Ashley Neville.

Regarding your Class I predictions, I'd add Hanover's Bridgette Black and Merrimack Valley's Katie Chwasciak, NH's top two finishers at NE last year, to the list. Of course, if Slane shows up and runs well, no one touches her.

Banaian and Quinn broke 20 at city meet too

[64squares]

Banaian and Quinn broke 20 at city meet too
Thanks. I figured there would be some under 20:00 in that meet or in some league meets held there. Who won, Holly or Julie?

[mhsxcrunner]

Actually neither, Lessard won, then Julie, then Holly. I think next was Howe, but she didnt break 20.

[Iron Chef]

Actually neither, Lessard won, then Julie, then Holly. I think next was Howe, but she didnt break 20.
I like how you used two first names there (julie and holly) and then 1 last name....unless Lessard is a first name???? :-p

[mhsxcrunner]

well jeeze louise...lol. No its a last name, Mehgan Lessard, I wasn't sure if it was Maegen or Mehgan, so I just used her last name.

[CVXCrunnerJR]

sure it isnt meghan?

[mhsxcrunner]

no

[CVXCrunnerJR]

is that a "no im not sure" or "no its not meghan"

[mhsxcrunner]

no i'm not sure that its not meghan...thats actually what i meant, it was a typo

[westrunner07]

you think so? I'm guessing you're basing this on their track seasons?I'm not so sure, they both seem to be better track runners.
I was just basing that off of what the boys had been saying on the NH Ladies XC thread. They seemed to think Gretchen and Laura were the favorites - personally I think you, Colleen Law, and Ashley Morganstern are.

[Miguooolie]

64squares I think I know who you are. Do you know who I am?

[Iron Chef]

no i'm not sure that its not meghan...thats actually what i meant, it was a typo
this is fun

[mhsxcrunner]

haha

[CVXCrunnerJR]

yes. i had myself a good chuckle :D

[sargentsmile]

YOUR QUOTE:--Yeah, i thought about central, but i heard a rumor...I KNOW A RUMOR..that melissa guenther was having a knee problem and is trying to train through it...so that doesnt sound so good, they still have Ashby and a fairly deep team...but without Lessard and if Guenther is still hurt I just think the other teams in Manchester will have a better chance... END QUOTE
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well, so ive heard an updated rumor about Guenther. I heard through the track grapevine that she STILL needs to get her knee operated on, which means you can count her our for a good portion of the season.

[mhsxcrunner]

yeah so i didnt realize that central has 4 runners under 21..they're still pretty deep

[sargentsmile]

yeah i think they will still be the team to beat for cities. they seem to pull through in the clutch every time. hopefully Guenther can pull herself together and get healthy. i heard that megan lessards little sister was joining the team. maybe the talent runs in the family.

[mhsxcrunner]

i dont know if they'll be the team for cities, from what i know west has just as many runners that can run under 21, and their top two runners are faster..assuming freshman kelsey hunt will run like she usually does. Memorial's top two runners, based on class l's, should be able to beat tthe top two from any other team in manchester, and they have two other runners who should be running in the low 20:--'s, if not sub 20..so pretty much anything could happen

[300kicks]

http://www.coolrunning.com/results/05/nh/Aug17_15thAn_set1.shtml

1/11 F1318 19:28 6:16 Kaite Chwasciak 15 F 371 Webster NH

[preppyrunner]

No one can be sure who will take the City title untill City's. Everyone will have more of an idea once school starts and people start running Derryfield. Not everyone is ALWAYS consistent.

[mhsxcrunner]

http://www.coolrunning.com/results/05/nh/Aug17_15thAn_set1.shtml

1/11 F1318 19:28 6:16 Kaite Chwasciak 15 F 371 Webster NH


wow...she races alot huh?

[westrunner07]

i dont know if they'll be the team for cities, from what i know west has just as many runners that can run under 21, and their top two runners are faster..assuming freshman kelsey hunt will run like she usually does. Memorial's top two runners, based on class l's, should be able to beat tthe top two from any other team in manchester, and they have two other runners who should be running in the low 20:--'s, if not sub 20..so pretty much anything could happen
West is also getting a good freshman named Jess Royal. She never ran xc for school before - just began running in the jr. olympics last year and ran a 16:35 4k. By the track season she ran a 63 in the 400. I know a 400 is very different from 5k xc, but she went to Dartmouth running camp and was not far behind Kelsey Hunt the whole time. That's 5 West runners who will probably break 21 at Derryfield. Also, West has 3 of the top 15 returning Class L runners. And Nicole Wrobel had great track seasons; 1000 - 3:08, 1600 - 5:18. West could put 4-5 under 20 let alone 21: Quinn, Hunt, Johnson, Wrobel, Royal (order questionable).

After Khrysta, who does Memorial have? I don't remember Jackie, what was her time last year? Who will be Memorial's 5th runner? What time did she run last year and how is she running now?

So what's the scoop with Meghan Lessard's sister? Has she run before, if so what were her times? Oh, and what's her name? ;)

[westrunner07]

http://www.coolrunning.com/results/05/nh/Aug17_15thAn_set1.shtml

1/11 F1318 19:28 6:16 Kaite Chwasciak 15 F 371 Webster NH

Does it bother anyone else how they always pronounce her name "Chaswick" when the "w" is at the beginning? I asked her myself how it was supposed to be pronounced - it's shwa-zee-ak.

[westrunner07]

Does anyone know why Bridgette Black didn't run in either track season or if Georgia Griffin is going to run xc this fall? That 1-2 could rival the 1-2 of Jenna and Holly from Memorial. And they're both just sophomores.

[mhsxcrunner]

Well Khrysta in track ran a 11:52 in the 3200, and Jackie recently ran a 28:00 4 mile race, last summer she didnt run at all so her xc season wasnt her best, but she still ran like 21:30 on derryfield, but she ran all summer and is definately in good shape. Our fifth runner could be pretty much anyone, but right now it looks like freshman Lindsay Beliveau will be taking that spot.

[mhsxcrunner]

also i didnt mean to say that our two top runners could beat any other two top runners in manchester, i meant that they did last season, i don't have the authority to predict the future

[CVXCrunnerJR]

Girls XC shouldnt even have a state championship for teams. Just a manchester championship since it seems manchester pretty much kicks ass at each of their 10 billion schools.

[westrunner07]

Girls XC shouldnt even have a state championship for teams. Just a manchester championship since it seems manchester pretty much kicks ass at each of their 10 billion schools.
haha yeah - do u think Manchester will take 1-2-3 at Class L's? I wouldn't be surprised.

[64squares]

...Memorial's top two runners, based on class l's, should be able to beat tthe top two from any other team in manchester...
That's a tough one to call. I'd say that Quinn and Hunt are capable of beating Marschhausen and Banaian.

[64squares]

haha yeah - do u think Manchester will take 1-2-3 at Class L's? I wouldn't be surprised.
In my opinion, West is the clear favorite. Memorial will likely struggle once you get past their top two and Central has no standout unless rumors of Guenther's injury prove to be unfounded. Given that, it's tough to believe another team won't sneak into the top three.

[Prefan]

That's a tough one to call. I'd say that Quinn and Hunt are capable of beating Marschhausen and Banaian.
I agree. Quinn beat both Marschhausen and Banaian at the city meet last year and Marschhausen does not seem to be in as good shape as she was last year. However it's hard to make a prediction before the season has started. Once the season starts and the Manchester teams start running at Derryfield we will have a better idea about what the City Meet will look like. Regardless of who wins I think this year's City Meet will definitely be one of the most competitive in a long time.

[preppyrunner]

Central is Strong!

[westrunner07]

Kearsarge has two good runners:

27 2/31 F1417 21:24 6:53 Cathrine Newkirk 17 F 37 New London NH
28 3/31 F1417 21:25 6:54 Jillian Corley 16 F 40 New London NH

(Slow course)

Newkirk ran a 19:49 at Derryfield in the Class I meet last year, but I don't think Corley ran last year. That's another good 1-2 like Marschhausen-Banaian, Quinn-Hunt, and Black-Griffin (if they're both running xc).

[64squares]

Enough of this sub 21 and sub 20. What are the chances we'll see a sub 19 from a NH girl this year at Derryfield? Any serious candidates?

[mhsxcrunner]

I agree. Quinn beat both Marschhausen and Banaian at the city meet last year and Marschhausen does not seem to be in as good shape as she was last year. However it's hard to make a prediction before the season has started. Once the season starts and the Manchester teams start running at Derryfield we will have a better idea about what the City Meet will look like. Regardless of who wins I think this year's City Meet will definitely be one of the most competitive in a long time.

ben?

[mhsxcrunner]

Enough of this sub 21 and sub 20. What are the chances we'll see a sub 19 from a NH girl this year at Derryfield? Any serious candidates?


i think we might...Maybe Ashley Morgenstern..

[Miguooolie]

nicole slane if she decides to finish one of her races

[mhsxcrunner]

nicole slane if she decides to finish one of her races

hahahaha

[westrunner07]

some sub19 possibles: Katie Chwasciak, Gretchen Andrus, Colleen Law, Holly Banaian, Laura Laplante, Ashley Neville plus Ashley Morganstern and Nicole Slane as already mentioned- they've all been running fast times this summer

[CU05nh]

I predict that Hanover will top all Class L teams at the MOC... Any thoughts?

[Prefan]

I predict that Hanover will top all Class L teams at the MOC... Any thoughts?

Hanover will definitely do well at MOC especially if Georgia Griffin runs xc. However they did lose a few fairly significant seniors, I think 4 out of their top 7 so they probably won't be quite as dominant as last year. Keene and Concord also lost some good seniors so that should open things up for some younger teams, like Memorial and West.

[mhsxcrunner]

some sub19 possibles: Katie Chwasciak, Gretchen Andrus, Colleen Law, Holly Banaian, Laura Laplante, Ashley Neville plus Ashley Morganstern and Nicole Slane as already mentioned- they've all been running fast times this summer

julie quinn...don't be so modest

[westrunner07]

julie quinn...don't be so modest
ditto. You thought Ashley Morganstern had a shot, but not yourself, after finishing seconds behind her in the Cigna and almost breaking 19.

[westrunner07]

Who will be the best freshman?

Ashley Neville
Kelsey Hunt
Allison Travers...

[mhsxcrunner]

I dont know who the third girl is. I'm pretty sure that Ashley Neville trained really hard this summer, and something leads me to believe she might peak a little too soon, but I could be wrong. I think that her and Kelsey will be pretty close.

[Miguooolie]

What is that something?

[mhsxcrunner]

2 #1144 Hunt, Kelsey 8 McKelvie 5:44 11:28 2
1 #1313 Neville, Ashley 8 Nashua Catholic 5:48 11:36 1

1 Hunt, Kelsey 8 McKelvie 6:18 13:14 1
2 Neville, Ashley 8 Nashua Catholic 6:20 13:16 2


Okay, so they run around the same times, but Kelsey seems to run a bit faster. This summer I heard that Ashley was doing like double sessions. Like running in the morning with the team then going to workouts afterwards, and maybe she always trains like that. but it seemed kind of extreme.

[Miguooolie]

Where did you hear she is doing double sessions?

[westrunner07]

I dont know who the third girl is. I'm pretty sure that Ashley Neville trained really hard this summer, and something leads me to believe she might peak a little too soon, but I could be wrong. I think that her and Kelsey will be pretty close.
2 #1144 Hunt, Kelsey 8 McKelvie 5:44 11:28 2
3 #192 Travers, Allison 8 Cooperative 5:48 11:35

That's the "third girl" you didn't know. And Kelsey doesn't always beat Ashley, they're back and forth.

26 #1935 Ashley Neville 90 Lynx Elite (Ci) 15:15
32 #1942 Kelsey Hunt 91 Nashua Pal Cruisers 15:19 19

I agree with you though - Ashley and Kelsey will battle it out and Allison won't be too far behind.

I had also heard that Ashley trained really hard at Derryfield Park during the summer, practically racing Nicole Slane in what should have been slower paced running. But that works for some people. Katie Chwasciak races all summer long and she won MOC last year.

[mhsxcrunner]

2 #1144 Hunt, Kelsey 8 McKelvie 5:44 11:28 2
3 #192 Travers, Allison 8 Cooperative 5:48 11:35

That's the "third girl" you didn't know. And Kelsey doesn't always beat Ashley, they're back and forth.

26 #1935 Ashley Neville 90 Lynx Elite (Ci) 15:15
32 #1942 Kelsey Hunt 91 Nashua Pal Cruisers 15:19 19

I agree with you though - Ashley and Kelsey will battle it out and Allison won't be too far behind.

I had also heard that Ashley trained really hard at Derryfield Park during the summer, practically racing Nicole Slane in what should have been slower paced running. But that works for some people. Katie Chwasciak races all summer long and she won MOC last year.

Good point about Katie.

Miguooolie :Where did you hear she is doing double sessions?

I wasn't trying to take anything away from Ashley, she's a great runner. It's just that you always hear people saying that you don't want to train to hard to soon..etc, I wasn't wishing anyting upon her, I was just wondering if it was that type of situation. Sorry, bro

[Lane of High Hopes]

Miguooolie :Where did you hear she is doing double sessions?

Lol! I'm pretty sure Miguooolie has his ways...

[mhsxcrunner]

i was trying to quote him...you might try reading the whole post

[Miguooolie]

Good point about Katie.

Miguooolie :Where did you hear she is doing double sessions?

I wasn't trying to take anything away from Ashley, she's a great runner. It's just that you always hear people saying that you don't want to train to hard to soon..etc, I wasn't wishing anyting upon her, I was just wondering if it was that type of situation. Sorry, bro

I asked you where you heard it. Your answer makes no sense.

[mhsxcrunner]

I asked you where you heard it. Your answer makes no sense.

Let me try to make more sense here...First my answer was kind of an apology because I was stupidly using gossip to support my position. I din't stop to think someone would take it soo personally...I should know better. As far as the gossip goes, it was group chatter amongst a bunch of people and I wasn't taking copius notes so I couldn't name names without possibily dragging the wrong persons name into this. If you do take it personally, take heart in the fact that people think enough about Ashley's talent to talk about her potential in the first place...I personally think she could be devastating but for every person on Dystat that advocates high intensity, races, speed work, doubles, etc. theres 10 that moan about the potential for disaster, i.e., peaking to soon, burnout. I guess those opinions have started to influence my own.

[Lane of High Hopes]

i was trying to quote him...you might try reading the whole post

hahaha... idk what to say to that... I'm sorry? That line was anything but clear especially considering that to quote someone on these boards we use the html quote feature.

[westrunner07]

Well, apparently Ashley Neville's been training really hard. I have heard from a reliable source that what mhsxcrunner overheard about Ashley running double sessions is true. That reliable source also told me she is running strong and believes she may break 19 at Derryfield if she keeps it up and thinks she may be able to handle the intense training because she is such a strong athlete. Maybe she will pull away from Kelsey Hunt this year rather than the two of them going back and forth. Maybe Kelsey and Allison Travers will battle it out for 2nd best freshman.

[Kily]

Well, apparently Ashley Neville's been training really hard. I have heard from a reliable source that what mhsxcrunner overheard about Ashley running double sessions is true.
Miguooooolie, is it true?

[Miguooolie]

I don't know but i do know that allison will be no where near kelsey or ashley.

[westrunner07]

I don't know but i do know that allison will be no where near kelsey or ashley.
why? She was only 7 seconds behind Kelsey at the jr. high cc meet and her time was 1 second faster than Ashley's from the Class S race.

[westrunner07]

haha yeah - do u think Manchester will take 1-2-3 at Class L's? I wouldn't be surprised.
Top ten seeds published in NH newsletter:
1. Manchester Central
2. Manchester Memorial
3. Manchester West
A 1-2-3 sweep may be possible.

[CVXCrunnerJR]

do you have to subscribe to get the news letter? how do you get it?

[Kily]

Top ten seeds published in NH newsletter:
1. Manchester Central
2. Manchester Memorial
3. Manchester West
A 1-2-3 sweep may be possible.

did the newsletter just come out today? do you also have rankings for the boys side?

[westrunner07]

did the newsletter just come out today? do you also have rankings for the boys side?
My coach showed me the newsletter - I don't know when it came out. I don't remember all of the rankings, sorry. All I know is the boys #1 was Londonderry and #2 was Central. I believe after the top 3 girls it was something like:
4-Hanover
5-Keene
6-Bow
7-Oyster River
8-Souhegan
9-Pinkerton
10-Coe Brown
(I'm pretty sure that order isn't exact though)
do you have to subscribe to get the news letter? how do you get it?
Yes you do - I believe it costs $15. I don't know if the coaches have to pay for it, but my coach always receives it. Sometimes I get them mailed to my school, even though I don't pay for it.

[CVXCrunnerJR]

cool, thanks. Ill ask my coach tommorrow

[mhsxcrunner]

I got the news letter yesterday....

[mhsxcrunner]

Top ten seeds published in NH newsletter:
1. Manchester Central
2. Manchester Memorial
3. Manchester West
A 1-2-3 sweep may be possible.


what do you think about the order Julie? He doesn't take incoming frosh into consideration, I think the order could be reversed.

[polyxc]

My coach showed me the newsletter - I don't know when it came out. I don't remember all of the rankings, sorry. All I know is the boys #1 was Londonderry and #2 was Central.

Could someone post the boys rankings? Who puts them together?

[lhsxc]

Could someone post the boys rankings? Who puts them together?

1 Londonderry
2 Central
3 Coe-Brown
4 Nashua North
5 Pinkerton
6 Concord
7 Keene
8 Hanover
9 Merrimack
10 Mascenic

Just preseason though.

[polyxc]

Are those from the newsletter?

[lhsxc]

Are those from the newsletter?

Yea, mine came a few days ago.

[polyxc]

Who puts the rankings together?

What other stuff is in the newsletter?

How often does it come out?

[lhsxc]

Who puts the rankings together?

What other stuff is in the newsletter?

How often does it come out?

It comes every week or so i think and has results from almost every meet in the state. The first issue is just a preview of the season with explaination for the rankings and it lists all the invites. Its put together by Larry Martin who coaches for Londonderry.

[polyxc]

Thanks lhsxc!

[Miguooolie]

why? She was only 7 seconds behind Kelsey at the jr. high cc meet and her time was 1 second faster than Ashley's from the Class S race.

You will see. I'm always right.

[CVXCrunnerJR]

1 Londonderry
2 Central
3 Coe-Brown
4 Nashua North
5 Pinkerton
6 Concord
7 Keene
8 Hanover
9 Merrimack
10 Mascenic

Just preseason though.

Hanover is ranked too high, they're going down, you'll see. Man this must be the first time in a while conval didnt make the top 10. I guess that happens when you lose your top 2...

[Prefan]

what do you think about the order? He doesn't take incoming frosh into consideration, I think the order could be reversed.
I think you're right, even if West does not have the best top two they probably have the most depth, including two freshman in their top 5. I also think Hanover will probably finish in the top three, possibly displacing Central.

[westrunner07]

what do you think about the order Julie? He doesn't take incoming frosh into consideration, I think the order could be reversed.
I agree.

P.S. Congrats on a team win at Londonderry Jamboree and 2nd place finish individually, Holly.

[preppyrunner]

Who said anything about displacing Central?

[polyxc]

What's the Londonderry Jamboree?

[westrunner07]

What's the Londonderry Jamboree?
2.4 mile race in Londonderry - the Merrimackians have been talking about the boys race at the Londonderry Jamboree on their thread for ramblings and useless banter.

[westrunner07]

My team is going to the Souhegan relays next weekend and we've never been before. Can someone explain to me how it works?

[ForNH]

With the Saber Relays your 'Varsity' team becomes 9 runners. The strategy is to split those 9 runners into three teams which go on to score by placement. Each leg is around 2.4 miles long. 'Handoffs' are a lot simpler. Once your runner passes over a certain line their teammate in the chute takes off. Team scoring is based on the final placement of each schools three relay teams. If you have relay teams come in 3-8-9, your final score would be 20. Hope that clears things up a bit.

[Iron Chef]

saber relays are really fun. It is like the only cross country relay you ever get to do

[mhsxcrunner]

I agree.

P.S. Congrats on a team win at Londonderry Jamboree and 2nd place finish individually, Holly.

thanks julie, good luck on tuesday

[westrunner07]

With the Saber Relays your 'Varsity' team becomes 9 runners. The strategy is to split those 9 runners into three teams which go on to score by placement. Each leg is around 2.4 miles long. 'Handoffs' are a lot simpler. Once your runner passes over a certain line their teammate in the chute takes off. Team scoring is based on the final placement of each schools three relay teams. If you have relay teams come in 3-8-9, your final score would be 20. Hope that clears things up a bit.
Thanks - sounds like fun.
thanks julie, good luck on tuesday
Thanks, you too, assuming you have a meet. If you do have a meet, who are you going against? We're going against Nashua S. and Exeter at Derryfield Park.

[mhsxcrunner]

we're not sure if we're having a meet...we were supposed to have one against timberlane and trinity..but I guess that something is going on at the timberlane track, and thats where their course finishes.

[polyxc]

Top ten seeds published in NH newsletter:
1. Manchester Central
2. Manchester Memorial
3. Manchester West
A 1-2-3 sweep may be possible.
Could someone post the top 10 girls teams from the newsletter, and the individuals?

[CVXCrunnerJR]

Girls

1.Manchester Central
2.Manchester Memorial
3.Manchester West
4.Hanover
5.Keene
6.Bow
7.Oyster River
8.Souhegan
9.Pinkerton Academy
10.Coe-Brown

Individual

Nicole Slane- Milford
Jenna Marschhausen-Memorial
Holly Banaian-Memorial
Ashley Morgenstern-Pinkerton
Katie Chwasiack-Merrimack Valley
Bridget Black- Hanover
Gretchen Andrus- Bow
Laura Laplante- Conval

perhaps not in that order for individuals...

[we bury our sins here]

Individual

Nicole Slain- Milford



slane

[polyxc]

Girls

1.Manchester Central
2.Manchester Memorial
3.Manchester West
4.Hanover
...
Thanks CVXCrunnerJR

I am surprised Hanover is 4th. They are returning Black, Brentrup, Addante, Donahue, and Betsy Williams. That seems like a really good crew to start building another MOC champion team with.

[CVXCrunnerJR]

slane
thanks, my bad, i fixed it.

[westrunner07]

Thanks CVXCrunnerJR

I am surprised Hanover is 4th. They are returning Black, Brentrup, Addante, Donahue, and Betsy Williams. That seems like a really good crew to start building another MOC champion team with.
Yeah, they may have a chance to repeat. They have a lot of good runners, but other than Black, no standouts. Donahue ran a 20:44 last year and the other 3 were over 21. Central has 4 returning runners who ran under 21 last year, West 3, and Memorial 2 (3rd runner ran a 21:06), so the Manchester schools look stronger as of now. However, if Geogia Griffin runs, that's another story...anyone know if she's running xc and why not if she isn't?

[westrunner07]

This thread must stay alive...any news about girls meets? There were a lot of invitationals this weekend. How did they go? Here's all I know, Saber Relays:
1 Manchester West
2 Souhegan
3 Bow

[Lane of High Hopes]

Ashley Neville came in 2nd overall at the Mount Washington race. She came in just under 20 on a very very slow course. (I ran almost a minute slower than my pr but felt good today)

[64squares]

The varsity girls results were not announced for a very long time (in fact, I'm not sure if they were ever posted) and even after the awards were announced, many felt there were still problems. I'm told the results will be posted at http://allsportsevents.com/
Maybe they're still trying to sort them out...

[ETAM]

http://www.allsportsevents.com/Results/running_results/GreatGlenCrossCountryInvitational05.htm

results are up

[CVXCrunnerJR]

Yeah, they may have a chance to repeat. They have a lot of good runners, but other than Black, no standouts. Donahue ran a 20:44 last year and the other 3 were over 21. Central has 4 returning runners who ran under 21 last year, West 3, and Memorial 2 (3rd runner ran a 21:06), so the Manchester schools look stronger as of now. However, if Geogia Griffin runs, that's another story...anyone know if she's running xc and why not if she isn't?

based on the results from great glen, Georgia Griffen is running xc... but where was Bridgett Black?

[64squares]

based on the results from great glen, Georgia Griffen is running xc... but where was Bridgett Black?
I was told she is recovering from a lacrosse injury.

[mhsxcrunner]

I was told she is recovering from a lacrosse injury.


i was wondering about that as well, thanks :)

[westrunner07]

http://www.allsportsevents.com/Results/running_results/GreatGlenCrossCountryInvitational05.htm

results are up
Wow, that was a very competitive race. Lindsey Rines ran great! She beat Katie Chwasciak and ran almost a minute faster than her sister.

Knowing now that Georgia Griffin is running and running well, Hanover definitely has a chance to repeat, so long as Bridgette recovers quickly. Then again they still beat Londonderry, Memorial, and BG without her. Londonderry is good - they could run for a class L title. With Ashley Neville, BG is a lot better too. A Manchester 1-2-3 looks less likely now.

[polyxc]

I am thinking that with the results from Great Glen, the NH Girls team rankings should look something like this.

My opinion only. What do you think?

1. Hanover; first at Great Glen with 66 points
2. Manchester Central
3. Bishop Guertin; second at Great Glen with 81 points
4. Londonderry; 3rd at Great Glen with 86
5. Manchester Memorial; 4th at Great Glen with 101 points
6. Manchester West; 1st at Saber Relays
7. Keene
8. Bow
9. Oyster River; 5th at Great Glen with 135 points
10 Merrimack Valley 6th at Great Glen with 144 points
11 Souhegan; 2nd at Saber Relays

[64squares]

Central at #2 doesn't look right to me. We'll know more after the Manchester Invitational on 9/24 when Central, West, and Memorial compete against each other in the Elite division.

[Iron Chef]

MHSXCRUNNER is going to win it all!

[polyxc]

Central at #2 doesn't look right to me. We'll know more after the Manchester Invitational on 9/24 when Central, West, and Memorial compete against each other in the Elite division.
Should they by #1 or lower in your opinion?

[Miguooolie]

MHSXCRUNNER is going to win it all!


Not a chance.

[64squares]

Should they by #1 or lower in your opinion?
In my opinion, lower because word is that Melissa Guenther is injured and won't be at full strength. Having said that, it does look like they have a pretty good core of runners so they could be stronger than I'm giving them credit for - but not strong enough to warrant a #2 ranking. At this point, I would hesitate to put them ahead of BG or Londonderry, both of whom performed well at Great Glen. Ask me again after the Manchester Invitational.

[EDIT] I agree with you on Hanover being #1. They won Great Glen without Black, who will only make them stronger. Griffin didn't run last year and with her and Black, I would say they're the team to beat.

[lhsxc]

In my opinion, lower primarily because word is that Melissa Guenther is injured and won't be at full strength. Having said that, it does look like they have a pretty good core of runners so they could be stronger than I'm giving them credit for - but not strong enough to warrant a #2 ranking. At this point, I would hesitate to put them ahead of BG or Londonderry, both of whom performed well at Great Glen. Ask me again after the Manchester Invitational.

[EDIT] I agree with you on Hanover being #1. They won Great Glen without Black, who will only make them stronger. Griffin didn't run last year and with her and Black, I would say they're the team to beat.

I dont know if it means anything cuz i dont follow girls much but Guenther won a duel meet today at derryfield and she looked fine.

[64squares]

I dont know if it means anything cuz i dont follow girls much but Guenther won a duel meet today at derryfield and she looked fine.
Thanks - that's good to hear. I hope she's recovered. Maybe they do belong at #2.

[64squares]

MHSXCRUNNER is going to win it all!
She could. She finished 2nd in last year's Class L meet and 3rd in the MOC.

[CU05nh]

Hanover is going to rock all class L/I teams this year... without question they will dominate the MOC...rankings are too Manchester-centric

[polyxc]

Hanover is going to rock all class L/I teams this year... without question they will dominate the MOC...rankings are too Manchester-centric
Posted Earlier: Not as "Manchester Centric" as the newletter rankings.

I am thinking that with the results from Great Glen, the NH Girls team rankings should look something like this.

My opinion only. What do you think?

1. Hanover; first at Great Glen with 66 points
2. Manchester Central
3. Bishop Guertin; 2nd at Great Glen with 81 points
4. Londonderry; 3rd at Great Glen with 86
5. Manchester Memorial; 4th at Great Glen with 101 points
6. Manchester West; 1st at Saber Relays
7. Keene
8. Bow
9. Oyster River; 5th at Great Glen with 135 points
10 Merrimack Valley 6th at Great Glen with 144 points
11 Souhegan; 2nd at Saber Relays

[CU05nh]

Yeh, I think that these are fair, but until Manchester Invite, the 2-6or 7 spots are very cloudy... but then again, even Bow/OR/Souhegan are dangerous and at least one will definitely break through and finish top 5. We'll see, Manchester will be a good indication-I'm excited to see where teams stack up...

[64squares]

Yes, the Manchester Invitational should clear some of this up. Unfortunately, the teams are broken into three divisions. Last year's Large school race was faster than the Elite race and this year #1 Hanover is entered in the Small school race. It's tougher to compare teams if they're not racing one another but at least we can see local teams Central, West, Memorial, and Souhegan battle it out in the Elite race.

[mhsxcrunner]

Not a chance.

yeah, you're probably right. It's easy to predict the whole season after one meet that was run in trainers after not having taken a day off in over a week.
Good Call!

[64squares]

...But as far as Class L runners to watch, here you go:Based on last year's major races at Derryfield (Manchester Invitational, Class, and MOC), Holly Banaian looks like the strongest returnee...

She could. She finished 2nd in last year's Class L meet and 3rd in the MOC.
Don't let Miguooolie get to you. Your results have made it clear that you're one of the better runners in the state. ;)

[Miguooolie]

yeah, you're probably right. It's easy to predict the whole season after one meet that was run in trainers after not having taken a day off in over a week.
Good Call!

WOW!!! You ran everyday for a whole week!?!? holy crap!


.....You do realize that most top runners don't take a day off every week so that is an awful excuse. I just was saying that I don't think you are going to win, don't get so defensive.

[westrunner07]

I dont know if it means anything cuz i dont follow girls much but Guenther won a duel meet today at derryfield and she looked fine.
In Central's first meet at Dover she ran a 20:13 finishing second to Ashley Morganstern, I believe.

[westrunner07]

WOW!!! You ran everyday for a whole week!?!? holy crap!


.....You do realize that most top runners don't take a day off every week so that is an awful excuse. I just was saying that I don't think you are going to win, don't get so defensive.
Why don't you think she'll win? Who, in the elite race, might beat her? I definitely wouldn't say "Not a chance." There's always a chance, especially for mhsxcrunner!

[Iron Chef]

can't we all just get along ;)

of course, I did indirectly start this...?

[CVXCrunnerJR]

My final question to Mhsxcrunner and Miguooolie, how long will it be before you two start dating each other? :)

haha. Give it a week or two ;)

[cbcxc&t]

Posted Earlier: Not as "Manchester Centric" as the newletter rankings.

I am thinking that with the results from Great Glen, the NH Girls team rankings should look something like this.

My opinion only. What do you think?

1. Hanover; first at Great Glen with 66 points
2. Manchester Central
3. Bishop Guertin; 2nd at Great Glen with 81 points
4. Londonderry; 3rd at Great Glen with 86
5. Manchester Memorial; 4th at Great Glen with 101 points
6. Manchester West; 1st at Saber Relays
7. Keene
8. Bow
9. Oyster River; 5th at Great Glen with 135 points
10 Merrimack Valley 6th at Great Glen with 144 points
11 Souhegan; 2nd at Saber Relays


PolyXC - In your opinion, or anyone else, what will be the finish order of all of the girls teams in the elite race?

[polyxc]

Of the New England Teams, something like this:

Elite Race
Champlain Valley Union VT
Manchester Central NH
Glastonbury CT
Manchester West NH
Keene NH
Manchester Memorial NH
Essex VT
West Chester Henderson PA
McAuley ME, Fitch CT, Martha's Vineyard MA, and Souhegan NH.

Large Race
Bishop Guertin
Longmeadow MA
Concord NH
Pinkerton
Burnt Hills NY

Small Race
Hanover
Cape Elizabeth

Burnt Hills is listed as one of the NY teams to watch, and they were ranked in the Northeast top 10 last year.

I don't know much about West Chester East PA, but they must be decent to travel so far.

[64squares]

Of the New England Teams, something like this:

Champlain Valley Union VT
Hanover NH
Manchester Central NH
Glastonbury CT
Cape Elizabeth ME
Scarborough ME
Bishop Guertin NH
Manchester West NH
Keene NH
Manchester Memorial NH
Essex VT
Simsbury CT

I don't know much about West Chester Henderson or Burnt Hills NY, but they must be decent to travel all that way.
Regarding the above, not all are in the Elite race. Hanover and Cape Elizabeth are entered in Small, BG and Burnt Hills are entered in Large, Scarborough and Simsbury aren't listed at all. Added to the list should be McAuley ME, Fitch CT, Martha's Vineyard MA, and Souhegan NH.

[polyxc]

Thanks 64 squares.

I'm surprised Hanover, Cape and BG are not in the Elite race. I should have checked. I'll edit to fix it.

Chess or checkers?

[64squares]

Thanks 64 squares.

I'm surprised Hanover, Cape and BG are not in the Elite race. I should have checked.

Chess or checkers?
Very good, poly! Chess.

Too bad McAuley's Iselborn and Longmeadow's Boudreau aren't in the same race. They're both supposed to be very good but I'm anxious to see how they handle Derryfield. Do you know of any other standouts from out of state? Another disappointment is that Elise Moody-Roberts, formerly of Cape Elizabeth, won't be in the field this year. I believe she transferred to Burke Mountain Academy in VT. I also would have liked to see CVU go against Hanover - guess I'll have to wait until NE, when Hanover hopefully has Black at full strength.

[EDIT] Scratch Iselborn from Manchester - she's entered as an individual at Great American.

[polyxc]

For girl's cross country, the Concord-Carlisle, Dennis-Yarmouth, Amherst, Chelmsford, Keene NH matchup this Saturday at the Amherst Invitational should be a beaut!

Let's hope the rain lets up.

[mhsxcrunner]

Oh my god that has to be one of the best reponses I have ever read on Dyestat. Did your coach actually say that? I could actually picture Kurt (who I think is a great coach) saying, "do you mean that tool on dyestat that is always weighing in on topics that he has absolutely nothing to do with or anything of value to add?" I'm still laughing. Sorry Miguooolie.

mhsxcrunner, I someday want to write a book about high school xc and may want to use your conversation with your coach and your on going battle with Miguooolie?

My final question to Mhsxcrunner and Miguooolie, how long will it before you two start dating each other? :)

Actually I didn't think about how this would effect my coach, he didn't really say that...

[westrunner07]

Actually I didn't think about how this would effect my coach, he didn't really say that...
haha, well it gave us all a good laugh and it was nice to see someone totally shut down miguooolie when he's always the one rudely shutting down everyone else. Good luck at Manchester Invitational - I definitely think u have a chance ;)

[westrunner07]

So... since we're talking about who will win the Manchester Invitational, what do people think (other than mhsxcrunner)?

Here are a few NH contenders in no particular order (excuse my spelling if it's incorrect):

Elite:
Holly Banaian
Jenna Marshhausen
Melissa Guenther
Julianne Quinn
Tyler Petropolus

Class L:
Ashley Morganstern
Ashley Neville
Laura Laplante
Katie Chwasciak

Class S:
Nicole Slane
Georgia Griffin
Gretchen Andrus
Rachel Rines
Lindsey Rines

Colleen Law will be a contender in whichever race Londonderry is running - which I'm assuming is Class L???

[Andrea Cleeland]

Heard Londonderry was going to Great American.

[westrunner07]

Heard Londonderry was going to Great American.
Ooooh. I see. 21 entries were received from their team but they didn't pay, weren't entered in a race, didn't give coach's info and weren't cleared to run. That explains it.

[Prefan]

Does anyone know what the Amherst Invitational course was like? Keene posted some awesome times, Paige Mills was second in 19:46 and their top 4 were under 20:30. They should do some damage in the elite race at Manchester Invitational.

[mhsxcrunner]

Disgusting...third page!


Good luck to everyone tomorrow, get some gooood sleep tonight :)

[westrunner07]

Manchester Invitational was impressive - good job everyone!

Congratulations to Georgia Griffin - 19:00 - AMAZING!

So, polyxc, what do you think the top 10 teams should look like now?

[mhsxcrunner]

Manchester Invitational was impressive - good job everyone!

Congratulations to Georgia Griffin - 19:00 - AMAZING!

So, polyxc, what do you think the top 10 teams should look like now?

Congradulations to you Julie(and everyone else who finished the race :( ). West should definately be ranked first in the state now

[westrunner07]

Congradulations to you Julie(and everyone else who finished the race :( ). West should definately be ranked first in the state now
Thanks, I didn't really run too great though:(. But our team ran great! So, were you dizzy? Don't worry about it - plenty of meets to make up for it. Like City, Class L, MOC, NE - the meets that count;). Good luck in Manhattan.

[polyxc]

In anticipation of the newsletter ranking, here is my opinion.

It is my opinion only. What do you think?

1. Manchester West; 3rd in the Manchester Elite race.
2. Hanover; 1st in the Manchester Small School race.
3. Keene; 5th in the Elite race.
4, Manchester Central; 7th in the Elite race.
5. Souhegan; 8th in the Elite race.
6. Bishop Guertin; 2nd in the Manchester Large School Race.
7. Londonderry;
8. Kearsarge; 3rd in small school race
9. Pinkerton 3rd in the large School Race.
10 Manchester Memorial; 9th in the Elite race

11 Nashua South; 6th in the Large School Race
12 Hopkinton; 5th in the small school race
13 Bow 6th in the small school race
14 Oyster River; 7th in the small school race
15 Concord; 7th in the Large School Race
16 Merrimack Valley; 8th in the large School Race
17 Hollis-Brookline; 9th in the Small School race

[westrunner07]

In anticipation of the newsletter ranking, here is my opinion.

It is my opinion only. What do you think?

1. Manchester West; 3rd in the Manchester Elite race.
2. Hanover; 1st in the Manchester Small School race.
3. Keene; 5th in the Elite race.
4, Manchester Central; 7th in the Elite race.
5. Souhegan; 8th in the Elite race.
6. Bishop Guertin; 2nd in the Manchester Large School Race.
7. Londonderry;
8. Kearsarge; 3rd in small school race
9. Pinkerton 3rd in the large School Race.
10 Manchester Memorial; 9th in the Elite race

I think Memorial should be higher - their #1 runner, Holly Banaian, dropped out. She ran a 19:38 last year, which would have placed her eighth in the Elite race and would have put Memorial two points behind Keene. Granted, she might not have run that on Sat, but they would still have placed much higher. Jenna will also be in much better shape by the end of the season - she always works that way.

[Prefan]

I think Memorial should be higher - their #1 runner, Holly Banaian, dropped out. She ran a 19:38 last year, which would have placed her eighth in the Elite race and would have put Memorial two points behind Keene. Granted, she might not have run that on Sat, but they would still have placed much higher. Jenna will also be in much better shape by the end of the season - she always works that way.
I think the rankings, as of now, are appropriate. It is not fair to rank a team based on speculation of what their top runner may have run. Jenna probably will improve a lot by the end of the season, but as of right now she is not where she was at last year, and thus Memorial probably should not be ranked very high right now. I'm sure Memorial's ranking will improve as the season progresses.

[westrunner07]

I think the rankings, as of now, are appropriate. It is not fair to rank a team based on speculation of what their top runner may have run. Jenna probably will improve a lot by the end of the season, but as of right now she is not where she was at last year, and thus Memorial probably should not be ranked very high right now. I'm sure Memorial's ranking will improve as the season progresses.
Yes, I suppose the rankings are fair for now - but I definitely think Memorial will be higher by the end of the season, as you said.

[polyxc]

Can anyone post the newsletter rankings?

[westrunner07]

Can anyone post the newsletter rankings?
I don't have the newsletter, but I saw it, and it was close to your prediction. However, Londonderry and Memorial were not on the list. Instead, Nashua South and Concord were on the list. I believe Larry Martin takes into consideration only what is on paper though. With Holly Banaian not finishing, Lauryn Debaie not running and Colleen Law not running well, Londonderry and Memorial on paper weren't worthy of a top ten placement, apparently.

[Prefan]

The newsletter rankings are:
1)Manchester West
2)Hanover
3)Keene
4)Manchester Central
5)Bishop Guertin
6)Souhegan
7)Pinkerton
8)Kearsarge
9)Nashua South
10)Concord

And the newsletter is published by Larry MARTIN, not Miller

[westrunner07]

And the newsletter is published by Larry MARTIN, not Miller

HAHA - My bad, don't know what I was thinking.

[300kicks]

1 1 249 Ashley Neville BISHOP GUERTIN 9 19:17 6:13
2 2 596 Kaitlyn Dorazio ST. THOMAS AQUINAS 9 19:29 6:17
3 3 553 Rachel Rines OYSTER RIVER 11 19:36 6:19
4 4 446 Catherine Newkirk KEARSARGE REGIONAL 12 19:39 :20
5 5 438 Jillian Corley KEARSARGE REGIONAL 11 20:03 6:28
6 6 337 Laura Laplante CON-VAL 12 20:18 6:32
7 7 376 Natalie Harvey HOLLIS/BROOKLINE 12 20:27 6:35
8 8 552 Lindsay Rines OYSTER RIVER 11 20:28 6:35
9 9 481 Meaghan Murphy KENNETT 12 20:28 6:36
10 10 226 Blair Condon BISHOP GUERTIN 12 20:53 6:44

http://www.coolrunning.com/results/05/nh/Oct1_BlackB_1_set5.shtml

[westrunner07]

What's the course like for the Black Bear Invite? Slow/fast/moderate? Flat/hilly/rolling/moderate?

[ZackCampbell]

Fast, with some decent inclines, and rolling hills throughout the woods.

[preppyrunner]

Bridget Black is back and running!

[westrunner07]

Any results from recent dual meets?

[westrunner07]

Does anyone know why Katie Chwasciak didn't run Thetford? Is she injured?

[CVXCrunnerJR]

What's the course like for the Black Bear Invite? Slow/fast/moderate? Flat/hilly/rolling/moderate?

Yeah, Black Bear Invite is very fast. My coach says it is 10 seconds faster than derryfield, but i think its even more. There's only 1 signifigant hill that you run twice, the rest is pretty flat and nice, and it finishes with 400 meters on the track.

[polyxc]

Good luck to the Manchester Memorial and Londonderry girls at the Manhattan Invitational!

Run well!

[CVXCrunnerJR]

http://lancertiming.com/

Check the Hollis invite results, Laura Laplante, Tyler Petroplous, Nicole Slane run well (Slane in JV race for some reason).

[westrunner07]

Katie Chwasciak didn't run the Hollis Brookline Invitational either.

Kaitlin Doracio from St. Thomas is another great freshman along with Hunt, Neville, and Travers. I've heard she's really a middle distance runner though - she'll be one to watch in the track seasons.

[64squares]

Katie Chwasciak didn't run the Hollis Brookline Invitational either.

Kaitlin Doracio from St. Thomas is another great freshman along with Hunt, Neville, and Farnsworth. I've heard she's really a middle distance runner though - she'll be one to watch in the track seasons.
Farnsworth is a sophomore at PEA; do you mean Travers?

[64squares]

Katie Chwasciak didn't run the Hollis Brookline Invitational either.
Just saw this on Cool Running. Katie is alive and well...
1 1 F1519 Kate Chwasciak 15 F 69 Webster NH 19:28 6:16

[westrunner07]

Farnsworth is a sophomore at PEA; do you mean Travers?
Yes I do, whoops.

All the Ashleys confuse me - Morganstern, Neville, Farnsworth, and Allison Travers, sounds like Ashley - apparently Ashley is a good name for runners :p

[westrunner07]

Congratulations to Memorial on a race well run at Manhattan. Great job Holly, nice to see you finished and finished well ;)

[JumpinSkiing]

http://lancertiming.com/

Check the Hollis invite results, Laura Laplante, Tyler Petroplous, Nicole Slane run well (Slane in JV race for some reason).

I bet Slane wanted in the JV race so she could race against guys.

I don't know for sure, but that seems like the only reason she would be in JV.

[westrunner07]

I bet Slane wanted in the JV race so she could race against guys.

I don't know for sure, but that seems like the only reason she would be in JV.
I would understand her running a race against guys for more competition in 6th-7th grade and under when she was running 18-18:30 consistently. But now the field of female runners have caught up with her and she should be racing them to prove she's still #1. But w/e, that's just my opinion - maybe she felt it would be more of a fun way to push herself than a competitive way, and maybe that's what she wants.

[mhsxcrunner]

so julie, what do you think of that fabulous moc course?

[ETAM]

mhsxcrunner tell your coach I found his umbrella. He left it at the mile mark.

Also tell him I measured the course after everyone left and it came out about 20 meters short of 5k. The mile and 2 mile were dead on. The 20 meters could be attributed to a number of reasons over the last mile.

mhsxcrunner now "what do you think of that fabulous moc course?"

[mhsxcrunner]

mhsxcrunner tell your coach I found his umbrella. He left it at the mile mark.

Also tell him I measured the course after everyone left and it came out about 20 meters short of 5k. The mile and 2 mile were dead on. The 20 meters could be attributed to a number of reasons over the last mile.

mhsxcrunner now "what do you think of that fabulous moc course?"


About the course...running it monday, the loops seemed a bit tedious, and like it was more friendly for the spectators than the runners, and quite frankly, i don't really like being watched that much. I do realize that it takes alot of work to come up with a great xc course, and now I'm sure the new course will be a good fast course for meet of champions, not to mention a nice break from Derryfield.

Thank you for finding Mr. Schulz's umbrella...we hate when it rains and his hair gets frizzy.. :p

[westrunner07]

I agree that the MOC course is not very "runner friendly" but definitely "spectator friendly." I prefer running out in the woods with just yourself and your competitors, like the second mile at Derryfield. I would have preferred some kind of compromise with just one loop around the field at the beginning and one at the end and an extended loop in the woods. Spectators can be annoying, but I understand that watching xc races can be frustrating when there's nothing to watch.

Nashua will definitely be a nice break from Derryfield though, and it will give some fast times, but I don't think I'll enjoy it as much as Derryfield. Then again, my perception of a course is also biased towards where I run well - if I have a killer race at Nashua, I'll love it. :)

[Lane of High Hopes]

I bet Slane wanted in the JV race so she could race against guys.

I don't know for sure, but that seems like the only reason she would be in JV.

There was a band performance at her school that night. Her coach made her and the rest of the team run in the JV race so they could be back to school for the band performance. She was still stretching when the gun went off so she was unprepared when she jumped into the race.

Notice no Milford in the other races.

[Lane of High Hopes]

Oh and by the way. Holly I'm sorry for getting in your way Tuesday! My coach yelled at me to get out of the way but it turned out i just ended up moving in front of you. I hope I didn't mess up your time or anything.

[ZackCampbell]

Thanks to you, she had to lean at the tape to put up the win. Great job, jerk.

[ETAM]

I agree that the MOC course is not very "runner friendly" but definitely "spectator friendly." I prefer running out in the woods with just yourself and your competitors, like the second mile at Derryfield. I would have preferred some kind of compromise with just one loop around the field at the beginning and one at the end and an extended loop in the woods. Spectators can be annoying, but I understand that watching xc races can be frustrating when there's nothing to watch.

Nashua will definitely be a nice break from Derryfield though, and it will give some fast times, but I don't think I'll enjoy it as much as Derryfield. Then again, my perception of a course is also biased towards where I run well - if I have a killer race at Nashua, I'll love it. :)


I would love to have extended the woods loop a little bit more, but I am stuck with the trails that are there. There are a number of ways I could utilize more of the woods area, but the Parks Department would hang me if I attempted to cut a new trail or widen out an existing trail. The area of the course that is woods is a peninsula with streams, power lines, a river, and a canal. There is a limit to what I could do.

What does it mean for a course to be "runner friendly"? Franklin Park is a series of loops in the open except for the Wilderness section. I find Franklin Park to be an exciting course to race on considering the multiple loops.

International Cross Country meets are also run on courses that do multiple loops. In 2001 Belgium held the World Championships. The 12k course was a series of six loops through the mud. In the junior race (8K-4 loops) Dathan Ritzenhein's (USA) won a bronze medal behind Ethiopia's Kenenisa Bekele and Kenya's Duncan Lebo. I wonder if Dathan considered it a runner friendly course or did it really matter to him?

[Lane of High Hopes]

Thanks to you, she had to lean at the tape to put up the win. Great job, jerk.

haha again it really wasnt my fault. i wasnt in the way but scott screamed at me so i darted to the side.

[ZackCampbell]

Scotts a lesbian, end of story.

[mhsxcrunner]

Oh and by the way. Holly I'm sorry for getting in your way Tuesday! My coach yelled at me to get out of the way but it turned out i just ended up moving in front of you. I hope I didn't mess up your time or anything.

Ha, no problem..we were kind of just tempo-ing it(word maybe?) anyway since we raced saturday

[ETAM]

Ha, no problem..we were kind of just tempo-ing it(word maybe?) anyway since we raced saturday

mhsrunner you should of knocked him over and spiked him in the head.

[ZackCampbell]

mhsrunner you should of knocked him over and spiked him in the head.

*face, spiked him in the face.

[ETAM]

I wonder if Miguooolie had been in the way would mhsxcrunner be so kind?

[westrunner07]

I wonder if Miguooolie had been in the way would mhsxcrunner be so kind?
Hahaha, very interesting question...
What does it mean for a course to be "runner friendly"?
Well, a "runner friendly" course for me is mostly run in the woods with an open area for the start and finish (Give the spectators at least something to see, and allow the runners to better gauge where they are in terms of others, give them space to pass, etc. - but that's obvious). I don't like having to run many repeated loops, though, but that seems unavoidable anywhere since there is only so much land available.

I like the Spaulding course; it kind of fits those terms - begins on the track, goes onto a field, then into the woods (2 loops) and then comes back. I like Derryfield a lot too because the start and finish are in open areas, but the middle is in the woods.

At Mines Falls, how far is the loop if you turn right after the bridge, sharp left at the overpass, up the hill past four courners, and then left back along the Nashua River to the bridge? If something like that were in the middle of the course, couldn't one of the loops in the field be cut out? Or is that longer than I realize and it wouldn't allow enough running in the fields for viewers? I obviously don't know the trails well enough, but I thought that there was enough in the woods to at least eliminate one of the three loops in the field.

It will definitely be nice to run a flat and fast course after Derryfield, though. I don't think I like running with an audience, like Holly, but maybe I will, who knows? I probably shouldn't be critiquing the course if I haven't even raced it.

Holly, what did you think after racing/tempo-ing it yesterday? Same opinion?

[ZackCampbell]

As far as knowing where you are in relation to other runners, the mines falls course is excellent. I've run the course many times, and raced it twice. It's really nice to be able to run around the large curve, and be able to look ahead and clearly see who is in front of you.

[ETAM]

Hahaha, very interesting question...
At Mines Falls, how far is the loop if you turn right after the bridge, sharp left at the overpass, up the hill past four courners, and then left back along the Nashua River to the bridge? If something like that were in the middle of the course, couldn't one of the loops in the field be cut out? Or is that longer than I realize and it wouldn't allow enough running in the fields for viewers? .
?

The loop you described is ~two miles long.

[westrunner07]

As far as knowing where you are in relation to other runners, the mines falls course is excellent. I've run the course many times, and raced it twice. It's really nice to be able to run around the large curve, and be able to look ahead and clearly see who is in front of you.
Yeah, that is definitely something I like about the beginning and the end of the course. It's really just having to run two loops in the beginning that makes it seem so repetitive.

[westrunner07]

The loop you described is ~two miles long.
Oh, so is that too long to fit into the course and still leave enough for the spectators to see?

[mhsxcrunner]

Holly, what did you think after racing/tempo-ing it yesterday? Same opinion?


I liked it..the loops go by pretty fast, the downhill finish onto the track is pretty nice as well.

[westrunner07]

I liked it..the loops go by pretty fast, the downhill finish onto the track is pretty nice as well.
That's good - what were the places/times at the meet?

[mhsxcrunner]

well our team was tempo running like i said...but i ran 19:51, jackie came in third and ran 20:23 or something...i dont know anyone else...lol

[westrunner07]

well our team was tempo running like i said...but i ran 19:51, jackie came in third and ran 20:23 or something...i dont know anyone else...lol
How about the other teams - I guess you wouldn't know considering you don't even know what the rest of your own team did, lol. Did Jenna and Khrysta race?

[ETAM]

Oh, so is that too long to fit into the course and still leave enough for the spectators to see?

Two miles out of sight of the spectators would not be right for a championship meet. I wish I could cut another trail. Mountain bikers are actually carving out a new trail that may eventually alter the course. Ideally I would like to see the paved bike path along the canal turned into a stone dust or wood chipped trail. That would open up numerous configurations that runners as well as spectators would be happy with.

[westrunner07]

There was a band performance at her school that night. Her coach made her and the rest of the team run in the JV race so they could be back to school for the band performance. She was still stretching when the gun went off so she was unprepared when she jumped into the race.

Notice no Milford in the other races.
I apologize for criticizing Nicole for not being competitive. Plus, she ran a great time, esp. considering she missed the start.
Two miles out of sight of the spectators would not be right for a championship meet. I wish I could cut another trail. Mountain bikers are actually carving out a new trail that may eventually alter the course. Ideally I would like to see the paved bike path along the canal turned into a stone dust or wood chipped trail. That would open up numerous configurations that runners as well as spectators would be happy with.
That would be great.
International Cross Country meets are also run on courses that do multiple loops. In 2001 Belgium held the World Championships. The 12k course was a series of six loops through the mud. In the junior race (8K-4 loops) Dathan Ritzenhein's (USA) won a bronze medal behind Ethiopia's Kenenisa Bekele and Kenya's Duncan Lebo. I wonder if Dathan considered it a runner friendly course or did it really matter to him?
I guess your right - I'm thinking of the course as more of a joy-run than a race. Once the gun goes off, you don't care where your running or what your running on, just how well your running it.

[westrunner07]

Good job at the City Meet Holly - I don't know if your dad told you this, but he was hiding in the woods in the 2nd mile because he thought you might run towards him if he showed himself. :p

[x0xRunninSweeti]

Good Job Holly for finishing Derryfield and not killing yourself but still coming out 5th--Amazing! and Julie you also did amazing city champion! Congrats to you and all the other West ladies! :)

p.s. Holly I saw your daddy! :p

[300kicks]

42 1/33 F0139 19:48 6:21 Katherine Chwasciak 15 137 Webster NH

[westrunner07]

Favorites team/individual for class meets....what does everyone think?

[CVXCrunnerJR]

I may not be too informed on Girls XC, but im gonna say West for Class L and Hanover for Class I.

[ETAM]

http://unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62354

Manchester Union Leader Article about Manchester West team

[mhsxcrunner]

http://unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=62354

Manchester Union Leader Article about Manchester West team


coach "shmidt" must've loved that.

Good Luck tomorrow girls!!!!!!

[westrunner07]

Good job Holly and congratulations to Memorial - way to surprise everyone. Keeping Jenna and Khrysta out for awhile helped keep you out of the radar - now the state can see your true potential. Had Nicole Wrobel not been injured, I think the Manchester teams would have swept the top three.

[64squares]

Congratulations to Central and to Memorial. Very well done!

[westrunner07]

Congratulations to Central and to Memorial. Very well done!
Yes, great job Central and Memorial.

So...MOC...thoughts? Individually I wouldn't be surprised if Nicole Slane has a great race and challenges Georgia Griffin for the win - she's great on the fast and flat courses and she won the 3200 at MOC after coming 2nd in Class I.

Edit:I think Ashley Morganstern and Bridgette Black may also be right up there battling for the win - Bridgette recovered from injury really quickly and may still be improving. After all, she was NH's first finisher at New Englands last year. And being Ashley Morganstern's senior year and having won individual championships indoor and outdoor, she'll be hungry for an MOC victory in cross country.

[mhsxcrunner]

Good job Holly and congratulations to Memorial - way to surprise everyone. Keeping Jenna and Khrysta out for awhile helped keep you out of the radar - now the state can see your true potential. Had Nicole Wrobel not been injured, I think the Manchester teams would have swept the top three.

Your team still has alot to be proud of. Yeah, our girls did well, especially considering only 2 of them got pr's.