VT Outdoor '05

[Fanya]

Discuss.http://primordialus.com/images/wildduck_e0.gif

[nordicrunner]

i don't like how we, new england, are under new york and new jersey.

anyway, good luck to people having their first meets this coming week!

[slowest kid on the team]

What are your pr's fanya.

[nordicrunner]

well, judging on that picture alone...i would say pretty fast.

[roosenvt]

The extra o means I'm faster. :D

Are you a Vermonter, slowest?

[Fanya]

My Official PRs:

66
2:18
5:04

I'm a speed demon.

[slowest kid on the team]

My Official PRs:

66
2:18
5:04

I'm a speed demon.

wow you train alot, are you on the verge of some crazy breakthrogh or somehting.

[Fanya]

i'm fat. i train a lot but for some reason i can't get fast. :(

[roosenvt]

slowest kid, who are you? Do you run for a team around here?

[nordicrunner]

i'm fat.

yes, my friend, you are obese.

anyway, where are the other vermonters hiding?

[Fanya]

i just ate a box of thin mints.

[nordicrunner]

tasty. i wish i had some thin mints...i could eat a box of crackers.

[Fanya]

if i run at the meet on thursday i'll be doing the 1500/3000 double FYI

[roosenvt]

I'm slated for the ole 4x8/15/3k triple. We'll see how that goes...

[Fanya]

If you don't beat Roque I'll break your legs, senor.

[roosenvt]

HAH. Maybe I'll challenge him to a high jump.

[nordicrunner]

so, who is going to get second place at states this year, assuming essex wins. haha.

bfa was 2nd last year, but the 3 of our 4 top scorers graduated. did st. j lose a lot of people for guys? they were pretty good last year.

[roosenvt]

Wilkins will be a big scorer--I think he won the PV and 400 last year. Corey Sleath could also do some damage in the 15 or 3. Beyond them I don't really know, but they're worth a fair number of points on their own.

[Fanya]

Sleath doesn't have a chance to score in the 3k--way too much talent in Essex and CVU + Lil' John.

I'll expose my sleeper picks later on in the season, for I've a darkhorse comin' up the ranks.

[nordicrunner]

they do have a couple hurdlers too. i remember the top hurdler on their team last year was a senior, but there is a senior this year and maybe a sophomore.

[Fanya]

Goodwin.

The guy that almost took down Myers in the 300h at states (both got DQed in a gigantic fall).

[nordicrunner]

ok, im a little bias, but i think myers would have pulled that one out. then, in the second heat, another guy from bfa, gamsby, was on pace to get 3rd or 4th pace, but wiped out on the exact same hurdle as myers.

[Fanya]

Lesson of the day:

Do not flip off cars who honk at you. They could be teachers at your school.

[nordicrunner]

hahaha.

[nordicrunner]

first meets today. put some highlights up on the board.

[Fanya]

ok so SB vs. St. J

St. J wins whole meet very easily

Boys 4x8 I shouldn't even have to say
1500 boys-- Blaise high 4:28 on my watch, some St. J kid (Bunnell) 4:45
800 boys-- Donohue 2:10 reported from someone else, won by a mile
1500 girls-- ?? Pecor, 5:25 SB
800 girls-- ?? Pecor, 2:45ish

Left before 3k.

400 was won in 54 high by some St. J kid.

Temp was low 40s, very very windy as well.

I got to be the announcer.

[nordicrunner]

so your coach didn't make you run, eh? thats good.

[Fanya]

i showed up in street clothes, and i didn't even have my spikes with me. add in the fact that i haven't gotten my uniform yet, and you have the reason why i didn't run. i'm sure that if i had had my stuff, he would've put me on the line.

[nordicrunner]

results at bfa:
in the field events Kahlil Pereria-Bailey dominates, taking the pole vault, javelin, and shot put.

emerson takes the 3 in 9:38, rosenblad second, moskevitz third. how'd that race go rosey?

overall, essex killed, but im surprised at bfa. they basically don't have a distance team that is capable of scoring (kanoa does lacrosse) but they dominated in the field. moskevitz does not score for bfa, even though he runs in the green and gold, he is independant.

[Fanya]

Kahlil took fourth in the decath last year, if memory serves me. Pretty crazy athlete.

Looking at the other decath results, I was amazed at Strojny. 11.50/50.70/4:31.70

Wow.

[nordicrunner]

kahlil is a big guy. but if he lowered his 1500 time to somewhere around or below 5:00 (right around what myers was able to do for the past couple years), he'll win, imo. hes just too strong in the other events.

strojny was amazing last year. around states, wasn't he not allowed to compete or something? i remember seeing that in the free press or something.

[Fanya]

Something about him drinking at a party and having the trophy revoked, and then he sued and somehow won.

He got to drink and was allowed to score at the state meet.

Hero?

[roosenvt]

Ugh, the meet kinda sucked... Incredibly windy. (Sorry I'm so late on the update--I was pretty much incapacitated yesterday.) I was a little iffy from a cold last weekend going in, and I was done for after the 4x8. I got the baton in an almost dead tie with Roque (I think I was a split second ahead), and we changed the lead a few times (which was stupid on my part--should have let him take the wind the whole time) and I saw him slow down a lot at about 500-550, so I assumed he was dead and went for it. That strategy worked until there were about 50 or 60 left and he friggin' passed me again. Damn. We lost by a second I think.

So anyway, I was hacking up a storm after that and felt pretty lousy so I scratcehd the 15, which Moskevitz absolutely dominated. Considering the wind, his run was much better than 4:48 or whatever it was conveys. He was ahead by at least 120 or so.

So I rested up for the 3k and was feeling better, but still considerably crappy by the time it started. Moskevitz and I ran in a pack with Emerson for about a lap and a half, and then Moskevitz dropped off, and I hung with Emerson until about three or three and a half laps, and then Emerson pulled away and pretty much locked it up. I was feeling really ****ty, and I'd have to imagine Moskevitz was smoked from running that 15 into the wind all by himself. I was quite a ways behind Emerson, so I'd imagine I was somewhere in the 9:50s. Not sure what Moskevitz's time was, but he was closer to me than I was to Emerson, so probably low 10s. Brandon K. was after him, and then I think Alec and Jeff from CVU.

9:38 probably doesn't look overly impressive, but Emerson ran a nasty race. The wind slowed everyone down a ton, so I'd have to imagine it's worth a much faster time in better conditions.

[Fanya]

Kyle, being sick and running in the wind is not easy.

Neither is doubling.

Just wait for June to come around, man.

[nordicrunner]

what were the splits for you and emerson in the 4 x 8, kyle?

[Fanya]

ok i was really bored but anyway i realized

SB was the only team in the top 5 for cross without a guy in the 16s
We were the only team besides Essex in the state with 5 guys under 17:30 in a single race all together

[nordicrunner]

30 seconds between 1 and 5, thats good.

kill essex. haha.

[Fanya]

actually it was 26 seconds in one of our races, i believe taht's also a closer pack than essex, even though their pack can't be tight with 2 guys running like 1620

as;klfjaskl;fj kill essex!!

[nordicrunner]

wasn't that colchester meet today? how'd everyone do?

[roosenvt]

what were the splits for you and emerson in the 4 x 8, kyle?

Not sure what Emerson's split was, but a know Roque and I were both around 2:10 (he was obviously a little under), Luke was like 2:09, and Joe Cope was also like 2:10.

Bump on the Colchester meet results! I just got back from Philly and I've been out of the loop!

[roosenvt]

4:13/9:25 for Brueckner... Guess we know who's in shape.

[Fanya]

Holy ****

[nordicrunner]

brueckner, what a beast. think he'll pass some of edgerton's times in the next couple years?

i don't think he'll get close to bobby's 800 times, but maybe that 3:53 was it?

he will definitely need to find competition out of vermont to get fast times in the future.

[Fanya]

He has a really really outside chance at getting into NOC if he can hit a 4:00 1500 this year, and I'd even bet on him going to NOC for the mile his junior and senior years if he choses to.

[polyxc]

4:13/9:25 for Brueckner... Guess we know who's in shape.
1600/3200?

[nordicrunner]

no, vermont does what the olympics do. the 15 and the 3.

[Fanya]

He's a sophomore and it was the 2nd meet of the season though, if that adds anything.

edit:

who the **** only rated this 2 stars? i will slit their throat.

[roosenvt]

Bump.

Also, I've heard that there were a few mistakes in Colchester results in the Free Press. Two guys on my team ran faster than the listed winner of the open 400, and I don't even think either of them won. There may be other mistakes, too. At any rate, Joe busted a 53.0! He looks like he's already improved a ton from last year.

[Fanya]

Who is Joe?

[roosenvt]

Cope, 400/800 guy who transferred from BHS.

[Fanya]

I am resopnding just to rate this thread a 5.

[nordicrunner]

maple festival in st. albans on this crappy weekend.

check that **** out.

5k/10k Sap Run tomorrow morning.

get it... Sap Run. hahaha.

[roosenvt]

Hahah, I might be a little too lazy for that, but we'll see.

On an unrelated note, I just saw Jeff Coffin at Nectar's... Holy ****. Awesome, awesome show.

[nordicrunner]

speaking of concerts...

pictures from the damian and stephen marley concert i was at on thursday night: http://www.melodymakers.de/damianmarley4212005.html

[nordicrunner]

bump...
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[roosenvt]

That song is definitely gonna be huge soon.

And wow, I really hope it's not rainy on Wednesday. We're supposed to run at Mt. Abe... That track will be nasty if it gets wet.

[Fanya]

That song is definitely gonna be huge soon.

And wow, I really hope it's not rainy on Wednesday. We're supposed to run at Mt. Abe... That track will be nasty if it gets wet.

More than nasty. Watch out for the rut near the inner edge of lane 1, if it's still there.

We've got Middlebury and who knows how many other teams on Friday.

[nordicrunner]

mt. abe track. what fun, eh. i've only run there once, it had rained early in the day and was still cloudy. not a lot of fun when its wet.

[roosenvt]

Some news from Mt. Abe... (only teams were us and MA)

It was rainy and DAMN windy--even slower than St. Albans since we were basically running on wet sand and through the wind.

I think CVU took all relays except boys' 4x1. (I saw/participated in the 4x4 and 4x8, so I know we took those), and I'm pretty sure the CVU girls swept the relays.
The meet went really fast, so I was warming up for cooling down for many of the events. Here's what I remember... Jesset (CVU) won the guys' 100 (no idea on the time)... Cope (CVU) won the 200 and I think the 400... Hamel (CVU) won the 800... 1500 I think Luke and I tied, but they claim I outleaned him :D (my uncle had us at 4:30, paper should have the official tomorrow... 3000 Jacobsen (CVU) and I was second after pacing him for about 5 laps... I'm not really sure about the hurdles, but I think Miles from CVU won the 300.

Not trying to be sexist, but everybody on this thread is a guy and I'm hungry so I'll save the girls' news for later.

did anybody else race today?

[nordicrunner]

results from the essex meet are up... http://www.bsdvt.org/schools/bhs/activities/sports/cross_country/TF/track&.htm

i agree. we need vermont girls to come to dyestat. or any girls who are interested in vermont guys. haha.

[Fanya]

Kennedy ran 11.2 something and Vergennes ran 8:21 yesterday.

we need someone who can get us those 4x8 splits.

[nordicrunner]

thats pretty crazy for a sophomore, eh

[Fanya]

yes very, he will own all VT sprint records from 100-400 by the time he graduates. i think he should run a 400 outdoors, i have no doubt he could go low 50.x at least. i believe he was around 51 flat indoors.

this is just my distance bias speaking, but the fact that he does soccer in the fall could potentially give him the endurance for a blazing 800 as well if he decided to train for it.

[Fanya]

BIG Day at Midd!!!!!

Conditions: Mostly sunny, warm, wind coming down the homestretch around 10-15mph, few calm moments

4x800

Ian blew the freakin' roof off coming through the full 800 in 2:01, split 202
Blake 2:09
Alex 2:13
Blaise 2:02
---
8:26

Bam.

100:

Mike Jabour 10.99

200:

Peterson ???
Jabour ???

400:
Blaise 52.52
Peterson (SUPER SOPH FROM MIDD) 52.54
---
They were in different heats, too!!!

800:

Blaise 2:02
Blake 2:08
Marino (how many times has this kid gradutated? geez) 3rd in ???

1500:

Blake 4:24
Marino ???
Donohue 4:28
Maglaris 4:36/7
FANYA :D 4:38

3000:

FANYA :D 10:07
Harwood Kid 10:1X?
Phil Bullied 10:2x?

4x4

SB won, splits unknown


I only won the 3000 in the last 550, in which I played a gigantic kick to my advantage after drafting off of the Harwood kid for the whole time. Bullied went out in mid 6x which kind of hurt him. It was my first win ever. Felt pretty good because I've placed 2nd in races more than 10 times.

I must give huge props to Ian AKA Dana, for splitting 59/62 was just ****ing beastly. Honestly came out of nowhere--I thought he might break 2 for a minute. This kid's legit.

Enough of my banter/tooting the SB horn. Any other results?

[nordicrunner]

yay for winning.

who is running bhs next week? i think its next week, right?

[runningonguts]

Hey Guys,

I am finally back! It took Mr. Dye a while to get me approved but I am finally on. I guess there was a complication getting me the email to activate my account, so I had not been able to post. I emailed him and he activated me.

[nordicrunner]

welcome back john.

[Fanya]

Welcome back man, how's VT track down south?

[nordicrunner]

@SOUTH BURLINGTON
Colchester

according to the bhs website, it looks like theres a meet today.

is everybody (3 people) running at the burlington invite in essex?

[Wizardx]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This entire thread is a conversation between 3 people.

Well done, gentlemen.

[roosenvt]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This entire thread is a conversation between 3 people.

Well done, gentlemen.


Hey Guys,

I am finally back! It took Mr. Dye a while to get me approved but I am finally on. I guess there was a complication getting me the email to activate my account, so I had not been able to post. I emailed him and he activated me.


Four, thank you.

And at one point we had a six-person following on the old board.

[Wizardx]

Four, thank you.

Oh, then I take it back.

[roosenvt]

Oh, then I take it back.


Yeah, you better.

[Wizardx]

Yeah, you better.

Fine, I'll never compliment Vermont again. Never again.

[nordicrunner]

we have had bruce hyde in the past. cornellxc on the old dyestat.

[Fanya]

We had (bios included)

_KN_ (Kieth Nunziata, sub-16, sub 4:30 HS)
CornellXC (Bruce Hyde, sub-4 mile 1500 equiv)
Devious Runner (18:XX 5ker who plays baseball for Mt. Abe)
rosenvt/roosenvt (really really really really fast)
nordicrunner (hey he skis AND runs. and does it free)
Fanya (some kid)
runningonguts (ran just over 10:20 3200 equiv. as a soph, trains hard)
vtrunning (some |_053|2 from "bridport" [yes that exists, i looked it up])
EIGHT PEOPLE !!! at one time or another.

[Fanya]

double-post worthy:

Originalsin3: i won the 200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originalsin3: haha
Fanya II: what time
Originalsin3: 24 or 23
Originalsin3: somewhere around there

Donahue: Renaissance Man of '05

[nordicrunner]

haha

[roosenvt]

Some BHS highlights... (I don't know as much as I should since I was at SAT most of the day...)

Kennedy 100/400, 11.x, 50.x, shared top track athlete award

Blaise other top track athlete, won 800 in 2:02, anchored 4x4 and 4x8... (Which was a freakin' 8:06 state record!!!)

Conley 6'5.5, really good triple jump (but not quite winning I don't think), over 40 but not sure, top field athlete

Blake took 1500 in 4:19, battled it out with Luke who had the same time but second place

Pereira-Baily (Don't think I spelled that quite right) took PV, 12'something

Emerson took 3k, slowest first three laps EVER, still ran 9:29

200/LJ/throws not sure

[nordicrunner]

wow, 8:06 is blazin for a vermont squad.

8:06.83 FAT South Burlington HS: Ian Donahue, Alex Maglaris, Blaise Cote, Blake Cote 5/7/2005

i went over to the BHS website to see what hte old D.1 record was, but they already updated it!

i know it was set by SB either last year or hte year before, sam do you know what it was?

[nordicrunner]

double post: results are up...

kennedy ran 11.85 to win, and an 11.69 in qualifying.

1 1648 Kennedy, David SO Lamoille VT 50.44# 4 (meet record)

5 1411 Gunther, Eric SR Bell. Free Ac VT 4:25.72 5

^gotta show some love for a former teammate of mine.

1 1579 Emerson, David SR Essex VT 9:28.87 10
2 1590 Roque, Ben SR Essex VT 9:38.54 8
3 1501 Rosenblad, Kyle JR Champlain Val VT 9:40.70 6

nice job kyle.

1 1448 Conley, Tyrone SO Burlington VT 6-05.50# 1.96m 10

seems like a good day, eh? too bad that SATs had to be on the same day.

[roosenvt]

Haha thanks, dude. That was probably the weirdest 3000 I've ever run... It was pretty much an 1800 with a brisk warmup. Emerson took the first lap at a decent speed, like 75-76, and then the pace DIED. He was expecting someone else to pass him and take the lead, and nobody did, so everybody just ran in a cluster at what seriously felt like a brisk easy run pace. I think our second split was well over 80, and our third wasn't much better. After that Emerson broke away and everybody spread out and chased him. I stuck just behind Emerson until about 350-400 left, haha then he took off, so I held second until like 150 left, when I'm told Roque came from 5th with a ridiculous kick and beat me.

And dude, where did this Gunther guy come from? I don't remember him from last year, but he's run some nice times.


Edit: Wow, and South Burlington's 4x8... I saw Alex with like his entire shin taped up. I can't imagine what they'll bust when everyone's healthy.

[Fanya]

I was in Springfield taking the SATs; I just saw the results.

HOLY CRAP

[nordicrunner]

gunther has skied for 3 years at bfa and only started running his junior year. me and another senior skier convinced him to do it for endurance for skiing. anyway, last year i believe he was running in the 4:40s and did a few 800s. a couple meets he beat levi last year (but levi sucked track season, well senior year for the matter, but thats another story). i guess him andrew and another kid run together a lot. and eric is the kid who always pushes the pace during practice.

its good to see him doing well this year.

[Fanya]

wow, 8:06 is blazin for a vermont squad.

8:06.83 FAT South Burlington HS: Ian Donahue, Alex Maglaris, Blaise Cote, Blake Cote 5/7/2005

i went over to the BHS website to see what hte old D.1 record was, but they already updated it!

i know it was set by SB either last year or hte year before, sam do you know what it was?

We had it at 8:12.5ish, set at state meet last year

EDIT:

I have splits for the 4x8, all are .x, i don't think any are even

Ian 2:01 (25, 56 splits)
Blake 1:59
Alex 2:08
Blaise 1:57

[SB4x8]

kyle nice run in that 3k at Burlington invites. That 4x8 was with us all healthy but I'm still hurting from the lack of training in between indoor and outdoor. whose going to bfa relays?

[nordicrunner]

sweet, another vermonter. are you a cote, alex, ian, or someone else?

[Fanya]

SB4x8 was Blake last time, but he only posted once.

I don't know who it is now, though.

[nordicrunner]

so since he asked if anyone is going to be at bfa on friday, i can assume you'll be there sam?

[roosenvt]

kyle nice run in that 3k at Burlington invites. That 4x8 was with us all healthy but I'm still hurting from the lack of training in between indoor and outdoor. whose going to bfa relays?


Thanks, man... Congrats to you too on the monster 4x8 run. CVU's going to BFA on Friday, but I unfortunately can't make it because of a writing conference thing I have that day.

(BTW, is this Alex?)

[Fanya]

I won't be at the BFA relays, I've got some 5k dealy that I've got to decide whether or not I want to try to break 17 at.

[SB4x8]

yea its alex. what are you planning on running at states kyle for events. (sam your on my team so why would you reply to that question? haha)

[roosenvt]

Haha... Good question. I'm definitely not in the 3k shape I was in last year, so I might start focusing on the 15 more. I'm thinking I'll try a few more 15s and 3ks and see what seems like the better event for me, and then I'll do whichever it is plus the 4x8. If I decide to do the 15 at states, I'll probably sign up for the 3k too just in case it seems like I have enough energy left to score in that too--if not I'll just scratch it since there'd be nothing about that to worry about anyway. How about you?

[runningonguts]

Hey guys,

Not a lot is going on down here- nobody really fast. The brattlboro team has a few good runners. Jordan Peeples ran a 10:02 3200m yesterday. We have a few long/high/triple jumpers and shot/discus guys who will be in contention for the state title.

For distance not a lot. I smashed my kneecap down in Boston and now can't run for three weeks:-( right now I am at 2 1/2 weeks off so I have 1/2 a week more before I can run. Even then, I don't know how hard I will be allowed to train...if at all.

Yeah, my season is terrible. My coach yelled at me, gave me a tongue lashing and told me I need to grow up at the last track meet I ran at because i ran a 60 sec 400. That is all I did that was wrong- if that is wrong at all! I am still upset at him. Oh well, enough I my belly aching.

[Fanya]

Hey guys,

Not a lot is going on down here- nobody really fast. The brattlboro team has a few good runners. Jordan Peeples ran a 10:02 3200m yesterday. We have a few long/high/triple jumpers and shot/discus guys who will be in contention for the state title.

For distance not a lot. I smashed my kneecap down in Boston and now can't run for three weeks:-( right now I am at 2 1/2 weeks off so I have 1/2 a week more before I can run. Even then, I don't know how hard I will be allowed to train...if at all.

Yeah, my season is terrible. My coach yelled at me, gave me a tongue lashing and told me I need to grow up at the last track meet I ran at because i ran a 60 sec 400. That is all I did that was wrong- if that is wrong at all! I am still upset at him. Oh well, enough I my belly aching.


So Jordan's in about 9:20ish 3k shape. Not bad.

Sorry to hear that about your season, John. If it makes you feel any better, I top out at 62. Hope you get better quick and are able to put in a good base for cross. We should aim for the Dyestat crew all being All-State (top 10?).

Today there was a meet at Essex. I ran 2:14/15 for my 4x8 split, and 4:37 and 10:03 for teh 15 and 3k. I was a little dehydrated, but that's not an excuse for my poor performances. Kyle, on the other hand, pwned the 3k (I didn't catch his place because he was pwning so far up ahead).

Boys winners that I know of:

300h Essex kid ???
400 Williams 52.1
800 Cote 2:04/5
1500 Other Cote 4:16
3000 ??? ???
4x4 cancelled

[nordicrunner]

anyone know results for the bfa relays. i was there for a little. in the dmr, brueckner went from about 6th to 2nd in his heat (im not sure if there were other heats), crazy run.

in another relay, moskevitz took the stick in the 800 (in his heat) and went from second to last place to second.

other than that, im not sure.

[runningonguts]

The CVC finals were today. Jordan Peeples won the 3200 in 9:52 with a wicked fast finishing 400. Windsor boys 4x800 ran 8:43 and Reb Brassor of windsor ran 2:07 in the 800. The winning 400 time was 49.7 sec.

I stood around and gave splits. Hopefully I can run this monday. results can be found at directathletics.com.

[polyxc]

4 Emerson, Dave Essex 9:46.02

Nice race!

[nordicrunner]

monster race by emerson.

[Fanya]

9:46 full 2mile converts to 9:04.92 on the purdy.

Shenk's 9:02 school record is most surely in danger.

[nordicrunner]

bump.

[Fanya]

BHS, CVU, Mt. Anthony @ SB

Here's what I remember


200: Joe Cope and some other kid + SB kid
400: Burlington kid + Joe Cope
1500: Blaise 4:11? Fox 4:20
3000: Me 9:44 Kyle 10:03 (times are from my watch)
4x4 SB, CVU
4x8 CVU, SB

[roosenvt]

I just want to make sure you guys know how incredible Sam's race was. Of course he was modest and made nothing special of it, but that was a 16 (? I think--something huge) second PR, and I didn't give him a bit pacing of help... He dominated everyone the whole way. Awesome race, Sam.

[Fanya]

Thanks! And yeah, 16 second PR. I think splits for the 1k were 3:10, 3:17, 3:17. And no, I didn't dominate everyone. You led for a couple laps! I'm just glad that I didn't tank it. I was pretty nervous about how my training and stuff has been going lately.

[nordicrunner]

wow, sounds like a great race, guys.

[JScott]

Peeples clocked, hmm, I think a 9:54 3200m at Hanover? Not bad at all... great race to watch.

Introductions... Hey, I'm Jeff, from Fair Haven, hardly worthy of the forum considering my school is d2 and my credentials aren't exactly impressive... but what the hell, right?

God, I've been stuck on 2:12-2:13 for the 800m for basically the whole season, which is heartbreaking considering I turned in a few decent 1k times this winter indoors... I hit I think 2:50.4 on the banked track at Reggie Lewis, and all the people i was running, well, with, are down around 2:06-2:08... At NE's I was right tight with maglaris and donahue, who are in that range... I think I just manage my races better indoors, but I'm on a long plateau and it's getting frustrating. Advice from some of you top d1 guys? I'm thinking about moving up to the 1500, I feel pretty maxed out for the 8...

South Burlington's 4x8 was a thing of beauty at the Burlington invite, i couldn't believe my watch when they came through around 4 minutes after the first 2 legs and i sensed it was going to be something special (as well as a big sigh of relief that our team, who runs 9:15 on a GOOD day, wasn't in the race). Well done-- To me it's the biggest story of the season so far.

[Fanya]

Hey man, and welcome.

Get your splits if you don't have them for your 800s this season, and maybe you can drop some time by going positive if you've been going negative, or vice versa. Even splits turn out the best for most races, though the 800 usually gives good results when run slightly positive. ie, your goal is 2:05, run a first lap in 61. Also, knowing your 400 time could help extrapolate your 800 potential. As far as I know, Donahue's split 2:01 more than once this year, and Maglaris has split 2:08 injured and I think 2:07ish this past week. Alex hasn't run an open 800 to my knowledge and Donahue's best in the open is 2:04.

Oh, and introducing myself... uh... I'm a junior at SB who's too slow for the 4x8, so I get stuck running the 1500 and 3000. I'm not so fast, but I always have huge goals for myself, and I'm anxious for the summer because that's my favorite time of year to run. Name's Sam. Kyle and Charlie can introduce themselves.

[roosenvt]

Hey, Jeff--I'm Kyle. Fair Haven, eh? Our little DyeStat contingent is slowly covering the state.

Anyhow... I'm a junior at CVU. I used to focus on the 3k, but I'm finding that it's not really my event this spring... So I guess I'd say either 1500 or 800--Haha with any luck I'll figure it out before states.

Welcome to the boards!

[JScott]

Sam, eh? I think you and my friend Tim beat on eachother some during indoor in the 3200, you guys had some good races... He was the short fellow from Fair Haven, I remember a lot of them came down to the last lap, where it was anybody's race... Though I think your times are better than his so far this outdoor season.

I've been getting my splits to try to remedy the problem, today's weren't so hot... 31 32 which was decent for my assault on the 2:10 barrier, but then the wheels came off... 36 (ouch!) and then 33, but its strange cause... OK, haha, this is going to be a long post... At the burlington invite I came through in 600 1:36 (I ran a 600 once indoor-- 1:35.7), and then folded up in the LAST 200... 37 for a 2:13... But then I lead off for our 4x8 at a small meet just trying to give the baton off in a lead, and I basically ran 2:12 as a moderate effort without even thinking about it just staying ahead of the guy behind me because I wanted to try a 1500 and they're kind of close, and the 400 splits for those were perfectly symmetrical 66 66, and I had so much in reserve... So who knows. Today I wanted to go out in a lazy 33 and see who was in the race, work from there... But you know these big meets, everyone even in the slow heats gets agressive and goes nuts, and you're left in the dust if you don't play along... It didn't help that the track was a giant mud puddle... But conditions really aren't any excuse, I don't know, I'm a 4x4 alternate and reliably hit 58's, but I think on fresh legs without having already done a few events I'd go 57... The thing is that the 1000 is just about the perfect distance for me because I can just hold my 800 gear over the next 200 meters, which not everyone can do... So I'll see if I can get my 1500 time, you know, respectable, I've run it twice and I qualified, barely, but there was limited competition and I think I can hit 4:30-4:35 under the right conditions.

Nice to meet all of you. Oh, and by the way... At Burlington I remember seeing Alex in the 3k, and watching him it was obvious he wasn't feeling too hot... Remind him that it's OK to back off a bit, or I sense more injuries in his future... Isn't he going to run for Lyndon college next year?

Anyways, thanks... You'll probably hear much more about my embarrassing times, but hey, it's the best way to improve, right? Well, that and a few hundred miles...

[Fanya]

Yeah, I remember racing your teammate during indoor track. My coach forced me to do that abominable sport. Ugh.

Is Fair Haven DII in track? I don't remember if you guys have a cross team either. Just put in a large base before whatever season you care most about comes along. It helps, trust me. I didn't get to run this winter or most of April due to injuries, but I got in a few high mileage weeks here and there and it helped. I think in indoor track I ran low 11 minute 2miles, and now my converted 3k is in the 10:20s, with time left in the season to improve that mothertrucker. You just have to be patient and get out there every day.

Will you be at the Essex invite?

[nordicrunner]

hey jeff, nice to see a fifth vermont contributor. im charlie, i go to marist college now. and last year, i was at bfa-st. albans.

in high school, i was mainly a nordic skier. although i sucked at first, i got better, only to get sick at states senior year. i've been running since freshman year (although at first, distances never got above 3 miles). now, although im not on the college team, i run every day. im not really training to run anything, although some races will eventually come up, i just love running.

i think im more set to be an extreme distance person (after college i will focus on that, maybe) or i would be a coach for xc. i know enough about the sport to guide people who ask me, for the most part, in a good direction.

[JScott]

We have an X-C team, which is probably our best guys team out of the triad of indoor, outdoor, and xc... We're D2, and we've made huge improvements... We'll have 5 guys under 19:30 this fall, which is absolutely huge for us considering the history our team has... not very illustrious. We did have lee stanton though.

Yea, I'll be there, flailing through the 800... again... Ha.

I plan to lay a huge base for xc coming into my senior season, hopefully hit some 17:40's or so... Previous PR was 18:50 or so, but i was on another plateau... 4 races of about that time to end the season, i can break through.

[Fanya]

Sweet, I'll try to find you on Saturday.

If you ran 18:50 last season, you can go way under 17:40 this fall with some major base dude. I'll talk to you more about training over the summer at Essex.

I'm going to be bold here and just let everyone know that I want to go under 16 minutes next fall. It's my last cross country season and I really want to make it worthwhile.

Back to my 4 page french essay.

Chuck, want to help me relate the social problems plaguing the book Candide by Voltaire with the French revolution of 1789?

[JScott]

::whistles:: man!! That's a great goal... I'll be looking for your times, and I'll see you at essex.

As far as x-c training goes, the base IS the key... My first x-c season I ran 25:00 at states, and I think it was a PR... Dead last in D2. The next season I was around 21, and this year just under 19:00... So I really want to cap this story off with some hot times, just imagine going from being the worst runner actually racing in the state meet freshman year to contending for the title senior year. I already know how I want to start my summer off: with a Trial of Wills. 7 straight days of runs over 10 miles long. The pace doesn't matter-- It can be 10 minute pace as long as it gets done every day. It goes against all the conventional training wisdom of "not overdoing" it and starting off easily then building up, but with my outdoor conditioning theres no reason I can't do it and avoid injury, and the point of it is to strengthen my mind and resolve more than anything. It starts this summer just after school gets out, and you can bet I'll be keeping you guys posted.

Sam's not the only one with papers due... American Lit on "The Significant Contributions of Bob Marley". Not as boring as other papers I've had to write, though the rough draft is due 4th period. Time to get started.

[nordicrunner]

sam, its probably too late, but i've put french out of my mind for the time being.

Sam's not the only one with papers due... American Lit on "The Significant Contributions of Bob Marley". Not as boring as other papers I've had to write, though the rough draft is due 4th period. Time to get started.

but jeff, i could have definitely helped you with the significant contributions of Bob Marley. his music transcends race and time...he brought together the warring political parties, the jamaican labour party and the people's national party, at the one love peace festival in april 1978. this was HUGE.

he was the only foreign artist invited to the zimbabwe freedom ceremonies in april 1980. and after the first night, when the crowds tried to storm the concert site because guards wouldn't let them in. so the next day, marley and the wailers did a second concert in zimbabwe for all those people.

wherever you go in the world, the symbol of freedom is Bob Marley...africa, south america, japan, germany, france...its bob marley. the red, gold, and green. (thats something jeff healey of amnesty international said).

more recently, time magazine named Exodus (the album) the best album of the last century. bob was also named the most influential artist of the last half of the 20th century. and...the bbc named One Love the anthem of the new millenium.

after reading 5-6 books, numerous magazine articles, 5 dvds, all of hte island recordings, and about 70 cd's worth of live/unreleased recordings, i find if you get me started talking about bob marley, you can't stop me.

just last night i had an argument with a person about how though the beatles may sell more albums (i think she said that 6 of those albums have gone diamond), bob marley will still reach more people throughout the world.

[JScott]

Yea, I came across a ton of that in my research... That's why I picked Marley, I knew he'd be easy and I'm somewhat of a fan. Marley thought that the Manley-Seaga thing was the greatest thing he ever did in his life... And from all I've read and everyone I've talked to, that sounds about accurrate.

Thinking about Sam's goal of sub 16, at first I didn't really know what to think, but then again... For the 3k you split 3:10, 3:17, 3:17? Well, if you start to think about it like THAT... 5k splits would all need to be around, what, 3:12? That's really quick, but it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility all things considered. The right course on the right day with the right summer training and it's possible.

I'm starting to plan my summer out a little, and after that crazy week that's sposed to make me all mentally tough, I'll probably move into a more reasonable range of 40-50 miles/week... Laying down some distance or hillwork most mornings, and then getting out a few times a week at night to do some intervals barefoot in the fields... It's an ambitious schedule, but I can manage I hope. Hills should play a big part in my summer...

But back to outdoor, because thats the whole point of the board for now, right? I'm thinking I'm just going to BLOW OUT my next 800... I've thought about it for a long time and I'm getting angry, I'm going to basically go just under full out for the first lap, 61-62, and then just hold on tight... Wish me luck, next race is wednesday.

5th period study hall... Awesome.

[Fanya]

I'm training through our meet with MMU and Essex tomorrow, but I might as well go after some essex kids; I'll set preliminary goals of 4:28 (lil kieft?) and 2:10 (i dont' know any essex 800 guys).

And Jeff: Entirely right about the pacing for the 5k thing. I know people who have went from a 5 minute mile to a 15:20 3mile (about a sub16 equiv) in a summer of long, hard miles. I am also familiar with a chap who went from 16:50s his junior year of cross to 15:40s his senior year. It's all in the summer. Good luck with your first week of training-- I did something really similar last year and it was a big help.

[runningonguts]

I am finally back training again...sort of. This weekend I was able to run even though my knee was still bugging me. Today I did 2xmile (5:26, 5:39). Not to bad for four weeks off. I felt really choppy and slow. I guess I will be seeing you guys at the Essex inv. That is all for news down here.

My little brother who is in 7th grade ran 5:09 for the mile, 61 in the 400 and 2:19 in the 800 on Sat. Just wait until his frosh year!

[JScott]

Sam- If you're talking Mount Mansfield, Lane Thornton will give you a good look at 2:10 in the 800 (he's 2:08 or so, tall and reddish hair i think?) and Chris Ketcham will be between 2:04-2:06. Just hang on for as long as you can.

I hate that choppy feeling, I know it well if I take as little as a week off... Best of luck to getting back on it.

Just found out what I'm running wednesday... 1500, open 400 (it will be slow, but i'm looking forward to it) and distance runner's 4x4. Should be a fun day.

Good luck all!

[Fanya]

Yeah, I know LT. Ketcham's too fast for me.

I accidentally fell asleep today when I was supposed to be running (truth be told, this happens 90% of the time on schooldays) so I will just wake up tomorrow morning really early and double then. Dang. That means a) I'm not going to be getting in the mileage I was hoping for this week and b) I'll be more fatigued for the race tomorrow.

[JScott]

Wow, that just about sucks. I had a halfway decent workout today-- 40 minutes then 5 quality 200's. 28 and then 4 29's, which isn't bad for me.

Good luck in the races tomorrow, can't wait to hear the news. Now I have a date with a pizza...

[Fanya]

Ok, ummm yeah i got abbreviated distance reports

400:
1. Weir 53.5
2. Mclaughlin 54 low

800: Blaise 1:57
Lane (MMU, my doppleganger) ran 2:05ish
Alex Mag 2:05-6

?????

Lane (SB) 2:13

????

The race for me actually went very weird. I got passed 150 into the race by a veritable herd of MMU JV runners, some with untied laces on their trainers. At this point, I was bewildered and just wondered what the heck was going on. I pass the 400 at 66-67 after basically being dusted by MMU's whole team and with multiple kids still having a huge gap on me, I am completely beside myself. They start dying with 200 to go and I go out into lane 4 for the rest of the race, mowing most of the down. Finished 7th, getting nipped by a random MMU kid. Splits were either 66-67 or 67-66.

1500:
1. Blake 4:18
2. Ketcham/Donahue (Ian @ 4:21, don't know where Ketcham was)
3. Ketcham/Donahue
4. C. Hamlin
5. Me 4:29
6. Essex?


3000:
1. Roque 9:29/9:30, started off really fast, slowed down a bunch, INCREDIBLE last 100, seriously caught everyone's attention
2. T. Kieft 9:40
3. C. Hamlin 9:49


That's all I've got. I know Bryant Williams destroyed everyone in the hurdles, because I was looking at other kids with 40-50 to go, and heard someone say "geez he's fast." I looked around to who the guy was referring to, and noticed Bryant already jogging across the field.

[JScott]

::Applause:: very nice races. Good 1500 especially, I don't know if it's a PR for you but it was really close to your goal, and it's even more impressive if you ran this morning. That probably equates to a sub 4:50 mile, or pretty close, which is downright respectable. 2:13 800 is solid as well...

1500-400-4x4 'B' tomorrow, should be pretty good. Most schools there will probably be d2 but I'll look for times for you guys anyways if I can.

Goals:

1500: 4:35
400: 57.x
4x4 split: 57-58

Finally, a 1500 against good competition... I'm looking for a big PR. Hopefully I'll edit my signature?

Nice races Sam!

[Fanya]

Good luck man!!

800 was 2 second PR and 1500 was 4 seconds. Can't wait for Essex.

I didn't get to run this morning because I overslept (again again again, i tell you i do this every f-ing day) so I'm doing another run tonight, maybe 8:30-10:00? I don't know, I'll decide later.

I haven't run a track workout in forever, haha (before today I had recovery fri-mon).

[nordicrunner]

yeah, great job sam.

today at bfa, i ran there, watched some, then ran back home. i didn't get any times. i basically helped out a little with hurdles and just cheered on some friends.

in the 1500 it went something like...

1. brueckner
2. moskevitz
3. cheney

the first lap was around 64-65, then it slowed down a few seconds the second lap. brueckner and moskevitz basically controlled it, then in the last 300, brueckner went, and moskevitz held on for 2nd. cheney had a great last 200 and was pretty close to moskevitz.

i talked to andrew after the race, and his goal today was to see how long he could stay with brueckner. it was basically 1200 meters. so thats pretty good.

i didn't stick around for the 3000. i would guess a brueckner win, if he ran it. with cheney and mosk a bit behind.

[JScott]

Brueckner, that kid is something else. I remember watching him break Theo Spencer in half indoor states, I think they went out in something like 2:10 for the 800, which to me is absolutely incredible indoors... Spencer ran a gutsy race, but never had a chance... Brueckner's strategy was obvious: Go out hard, and dare anyone to follow.

I was looking at another thread, and couldn't help but notice your summer plans, Sam. 10-20 miles a day? That will give you a very strong base, but be careful... A graduated friend of mine says about cross country "speed kills those who don't have it." He reccommends doing average distance runs, 5 or 6 most normal days, and then 12 on sunday, but making it slightly more intense... under 7/mile... I don't know what your serious overdistance pace is, I know I can't hold much better than 8:15 along anything over 8, and his theory makes a lot of sense to me. Just food for thought-- I'm sure you've done your own research.

Nice PR's!

[Fanya]

I ran more than 10 miles a day for almost every single day last summer. I think I took a couple 8-9 mile days as rest.

I also ran 100 miles in one week in doubles this past december.

I'm pretty set in my ways, but the "quality over quantity" theory does hold true for some peple.

For me, quantity is a quality in itself.

Kyle ran mid 70mpw last summer on 6 days a week, which beat my summer-high of 82 on 7 days per week, when it comes to miles/day.

[TRedXC]

Ok guys, lets talk class c. its obviously comming down to Tewksbury, Mansfield, and Feehan like it does every season and every year (not to bring any other team down). By the way, this is the last season Tewksbury is in Class C, we're moving up next year due to a school population increase. Lets hear some talk...

[TRedXC]

Sorry guys i posted in the wrong thread

[JScott]

Hey man, Lydiard didn't get to the top by being stupid. If that's what you respond to, go for it. If you can handle that kind of mileage, you'll make a solid marathoner someday. Personally I've always responded better to track work... Of course, when you look at our times, you guys stack up substantially better than I do, even in the 800, which is supposedly my "specialty". My weeks have been low mileage ever since outdoor started, though (I tried to lay a good base down, did one 5x600 workout of 1:45, 1:44, 1:43, 1:42, 1:45 and was sick for a week... it's hurt my season) so who knows. My summer plan is more rich and mileage than most of my training has been over the years, and that's EXACTLY how I got to where I got in the 1k... My indoor season was sucking out, I transitioned from my large x-c improvements to a crappy start... I'm talking 2:24-3:08 for my 4x8-1k my first meet or so. So halfway through the season my friend and I decided we were sick of sucking and did some pretty crazy workouts... 3 sets of 1-2-3-2-1 is not easy in our hallway, but we took it up to 7 over our december break... And then I basically followed the mileage plan I wanted to follow for the summer to a slightly more limited basis, and my times started to drop like crazy... 2:17-2:56... and then states, 2:13-2:53, then ne's, 2:13-2:50.41 in a 1k i had planned on scratching... So yea, my plan has gotten me results, and I can't wait to do it over the summer and see what happens. Truth be told I feel like this outdoor season has been lost... But I have 3 more meets to make it count. I'm just dissappointed so far, I thought I'd see improvements halfway through the season like I did for indoor, but it just hasn't happened yet.

I've decided I like to talk a lot...

Hmm, know what we should all do this summer? We should pick out some races in VT/NY to hit together... The bunch of us could try to pick 1 or 2 that work for all of us as kind of a benchmark... Any takers? You guys will all probably smoke me, but it'd be pretty fun nonetheless. Post your thoughts...

[Fanya]

Kyle and I do the Burlington HS 5k in August. I don't know if I want to do that again though, because I went in expecting low 18s at worst (I was putting in a small rest day for it and ran 18:40 the first week of summer in another 5k w/ Kyle) and I came out with 19:13 or so. It was the most humid day, and depressed the hell out of me for months because I knew there was no ****ing way I was in 19 minute shape after all the work we'd done.

So, I'm still undecided.

[nordicrunner]

i should be doing some races at my old coaches house this summer. just small training runs basically, he said hes going to try and get his trails in better shape. last year, it was basically 1k in woods, 3k on road, and 1k in the woods again.

i told kyle about these last year at some point, i think. anyway, this summer they will probably be just 4k. anyway, i'll probably be doing those.

im doing a race in new hampshire around june 20th. i have a friend from college down there, so it should be fun.

other than that, im just going to be running around an hour or so a day for most of the summer for fun. plus, mornings i'll be building up some barefoot mileage.

i know kyle did a race last year that i was going to go to, but didn't. what was that one? i think it was around the fourth of july.

[SB4x8]

Hey Jeff its Alex Maglaris, good to hear from you again. Thats sweet that you guys are all talking about xc but we still have a week or more of track. Jeff I might have a little bit of advice for your 800 (its just what I've discovered works). Since you like me aren't exactly the fastest 400 runners you need to run a solid first 400 (61-63) and then for the next 200m just try to focus on your pace and hang on to the pace you were just going, and the last 200m is where you just start to push with everything you have. Now granted im a little bit faster in the 400 running 55's on a good day, I think that you should be able to do it given how much you pushed me at indoor NE's in the 1k. What events are you running at essex?

[CornellXC]

A graduated friend of mine says about cross country "speed kills those who don't have it." He reccommends doing average distance runs, 5 or 6 most normal days, and then 12 on sunday, but making it slightly more intense... under 7/mile... I don't know what your serious overdistance pace is, I know I can't hold much better than 8:15 along anything over 8, and his theory makes a lot of sense to me. Just food for thought-- I'm sure you've done your own research.


Well i havent been here in a while, nice to see some VT results. Keep up the good work you guys. As for mileage, run slow, run long and do strides... That pretty much sums up base. I ran up to 145 this summer and i didn;t lose any speed. I probably only run at 730 a mile on easy days, sometimes slower. If you guys are interested i can tell you more.

Have you guys had states yet? I can never remember. I may be back this summer to run a race or two...Maybe that burlington race. I've always wanted another crack at that course...

[nordicrunner]

nice to see you back on the boards, bruce.

i added you on facebook awhile back, charlie farrington from marist (if you didn't know who i was).

good luck with training this summer and i look forward to seeing you in results this fall.

btw, the state meet is in a week from saturday, i think.

[Fanya]

Hey Bruce (assuming you've kept your name), will you be speaking at the Green Mountain camp this year? I think I might be going to that thing.

Charlie's right with the states date. June 4th.

[JScott]

Good advice for the 800-- Thanks Alex, I was always intimidated by going out 63 or 64 but from the sounds of it it has to be done... I'll shoot for 62 and hang on for as long as I can. At Essex the plan is 4x8 and 800, so I'll have a couple tries to put it into practice. How's the injury coming, anyways?

Results from Bellows Falls weren't overly spectacular, Peeples walked away with the 3k in 9:46, but don't be fooled... He's 9:20 stuff at the slowest, probably faster given his 9:52 2 mile not long ago. That's a race I'd love to see... Peeples-Brueckner, though I think John has the edge.

Only real thing of note was Tim Doyon... Rumor is he's injured again (same thing happened a week or 2 before x-c states, he actually missed MVL's due to an injury) but it didn't stop him from winning the 15 in about 4:30. A brattleboro kid was 2nd (4:33 maybe? both are estimates) and then I edged out my teammate for 3rd in about 4:37. I scratched the open 400 and the 4x4 because it was wicked cold and our coach didnt want any of us distance runners to do anything stupid, like get injured trying to blow out a 4x4 in those conditions. Someone won the 400 in 55, not sure who, and of course Kris Haynes took the 800 in something like 2:03. I think that's all the semi-significant results.

My plan for the state meet depends a lot on the entires, but right now what I'm leaning towards is focusing on 4x8 and 1500, though I haven't looked at times yet, then eating a powerbar and doing all I can to skank a point in the open 800. However, if Alex's advice ends up being my ace in the whole, I might look to work more towards the 800. Time will tell, but I wish I was running a 15 at essex to get a sharper idea of where I stand. Oh well.

By the way, nice to meet you Bassette. Sounds like you had a halfway decent day (2:16/4:42) for coming off a month of hard luck. Good luck in that 3k at essex....

That's the news... And I'm off to check some times. Good to hear from you all.

[runningonguts]

The meet went great for me. I was surprised with the times I ran considering I have not run for a month and only started training last Saturday. Like Scott said earlier (4:42/2:16) for 1500 and 800. Nothing really spectactular happened. Most of the kids on my team never really ran the races all out. Most just coasted. Essex is when it is going to count.

Just an odd piece of information. The track officials let my little brother who is in 7th grade run in the 1500 and 800. He ran 4:48 for the 1500 and 2:17.5 for the 800. It was pretty funny watching some of the highschoolers desperately trying to not get beat by a juniorhigher. He beat most of them anyway. I added to the prerace tension by telling the kids about to race to try not to get beat by a little kid in 7th grade.

[Fanya]

Awesome races, John.

It sounds like you've also got a future champ in your brother!

[JScott]

Haha, I should've known it was your brother... I've seen the results of so many Bassettes over the years I should've put 2 and 2 together. I'm familiar with a lot of your guys's results because about halfway through the x-c season we realized you guys were the team to beat. I know more about you guys than you know about yourselves... I know that your state championship team isnt graduating anyone this year, and I know that you guys will enter the season as huge favorites. But we can talk about that after the outdoor season has concluded. Can't wait for Essex, gotta blow out that 800...

[JScott]

Two posts in a row?... Crazy!

Anyways, my friend is looking for some advice on his 3k. So far this year he's hit 10:08 for the 3000 and 10:44 for the 2 mile... PR's in other distances include a 4:37.5 1500, a 4:57-4:59 mile-distance medley relay mile double, and such. Any advice/words of wisdom on the 3k? He really wants to hit around 9:50 for states, that would put him up there... Generally he runs strong mileage and can grind out a pace pretty well. Strategies/tactics/hints from you long distance hotshots? I know I got some great advice on my 800 from Alex, so yea...

Thanks!

[Fanya]

Find out his pace for whatever his goal is, and run even splits. To keep from slowing down during that initial tiring phase, it works to keep your eyes between the shoulder blades of someone in front of you, or to match stride with them. Nothing much else besides balancing/controlling your breathing and keeping your form.

PS: Just saw that californian middle-schooler jordan hasay (girl) ran a 4:29 1500 the other day. ****. Saturday just became a lot more important.

[JScott]

Hahaaaaaa, wow, thats nuts. I'll make sure to watch your 15 with special interest. Anyone on the forum in particular have goals for their races?

4x800: Leading off... Split a decent time (2:13 or better).
Open 800: Sub 2:10. It's go time.

[Fanya]

Eh, this is getting personal. I'd hate to state a goal of mine because it's hard to

a) not sound like a jerk and/or stupidly cocky when i'm slow
b) i'd absolutely hate to state a goal and then fall way short

That being said,

Under 4:25 is goal range for 1500

Under 9:35 is goal range for 3000

[JScott]

Isn't fear part of the animal? Judging by my preseason goals, I should be running around 2:05 right now, we have 2 meets left and I'm still not under 2:10. I'll venture to guess no one on this board will be anything but supportive of you... Sink or swim.

Good luck!

[Fanya]

Thanks, and you too man. I just don't want to get into the head games, because last summer it was do-or-die with sub-17, and it wound up not happening and I felt like **** for hyping the whole fall up so ****ing much. That, and I feel like an egocentrical idiot talking about myself so much.

[runningonguts]

I get the opening leg of the 4x800...I think. I am usually the first leg but coming off an injury I might be the second leg. I have no real goal. Just run 2:15 or better.

I have no idea why my coach put me down at 11:01 for the 3000. I am faster than that in practice. Whatever. I am going to go out with 80 sec 400's and try to run 10:00. If I can run close to that I will be VERY happy.

[JScott]

It was actually the same way with me x-c, except with 18 minutes... Then look what happened. Barely broke 19.

Yea, I was looking at that 11:01 pretty surprisedly. Your coach is obviously pretty good and not stupid so he probably didn't think he was doing a 2 mile time... Maybe he knew you were coming off injury and wanted to make sure you were in a heat you can work with and get a ton of confidence? It's obvious the race is gonna hafta be seeded out to 2 heats... I think the fastest person in what figures to be your heat would be in the 10:15 range, so judging by the performance lists... Just run your heat to win, and you should accomplish your goal of getting close to 10:00.

Sam, it looks like you're in an ideal situation as far as your seed time goes for the 3k... You have a HUGE time in that, and you'll be towards the top of that heat of the fast heat ready to give them all hell... I want to see you and Kyle go at it... Haha, I have so many people to watch in that race, a couple of my teammates and a couple of dyestatters... sweet deal. Your 1500 maybe isn't so ideal, considering that if they seed it out to 3 heats the fastest in your heat will be around 4:30. Somehow I sense I'm not mentioning anything either of you don't know already, I just get bored and enjoy analyzing times... I'll be pulling for you though... Good luck!

[Fanya]

HOLY ****ING **** ALMOST 50 KIDS IN THE 3K

AND I'M SEEDED 5TH

WHAT THE ****



In other news, my right quad is totally blasted from doing two hard workouts yesterday. Whoops.

And Jeff, the fastest in my heat won't be 4:30, unless you're talking about seed times. I'm pretty sure the winner will be at least 3-5 seconds faster.

Kyle got the shaft, because the Free Press reported his 4:30 on CINDER as a 4:40, so in reality his 28 seed should be like a 6 or 7.

[runningonguts]

Our 4x800 is scratched for tomarrow. One of the guys can't make it so Windsor has no 4x800.

Yeah, I saw that Kyle got screwed. I thougth it was a mistake in the distance- 4:40 for 1600. Good luck to everyone tomarrow.

[SB4x8]

I'm opening up for the SB 4x8 tomorrow which should be interesting considering I've never opened up with these guys. The 300h would have to be the event I look forward to the most. That and jav i suppose. No real goals just want to be competitive.

[nordicrunner]

good luck to everyone who is racing tomorrow.

woohoo, 7 vermonters on the thread in the last 30 posts. crazy, eh?

[JScott]

That should be fun, when I see his heat get ready to go I can point to Kyle and say "hmm, yea... My money's on that guy for this heat. Any takers?" It should be very lucrative...

Sucks about Windsor's 4x8, I wanted to race you guys, it would've been a pretty evenly matched affair...

Leading off Alex? We meet again... :)

Haha, yea, the winner should be 3-5 seconds faster, to me it would just be a psycholigcal difference... There's no real hotshots in the race that can pull you along to a serious breakout of a race based on the seed times, and if you start to find the pace lagging a little you're going to have no choice but to do all the work yourself in the front. Considering it's essex and there's a significant amount of people in the race, I'll be surprised if you get caught in that particular situation... I guess it's just a matter of taste, I don't mind when there's really fast people to push with at the beginning, even though running in a heat you know you can win involves simpler tactics.

[Fanya]

I got 4:25 with splits of 1:30-1:30-1:25 and 9:30 with splits of 3:12-3:12-3:08

Charlie will be glad to know that Moskevitz was right in front of me for both races at 4:23 and 9:30 as well (he really killed the last 100 of that 3k)

Kyle mustered through his "slow" heat (it was mine too, buddy!) and came out with a 4:20.

Jeff got 2:09/2:11 both opening in 61, so those are sure to come down next week.

Blake took 2nd to Brueckner, 4:11 to 4:10.

Blaise ran 1:57, killing Chad over the last 250

Kris Haynes ran 50.3, damn

[nordicrunner]

results are up on the bhs site...

what were blaise's splits in the 800?

here are some results...

14 276 Jeff Scott JR Fair Haven VT 2:11.96

10 150 Kyle Rosenblad JR Champlain Val VT 4:21.44
13 604 Sam Tenenbaum-Lane JR S. Burlington VT 4:25.35

5 604 Sam Tenenbaum-Lane JR S. Burlington VT 9:30.41
20 704 John Bassette JR Windsor VT 10:20.28

10 599 Alex Maglaris SR S. Burlington VT 44.61 4

what happened to essex in the 4x8, were they near sb or cvu?

sam, was moskevitz following people at all? he has a tendency to stick behind people a lot.

looks like a good meet...was there any rain down there in essex?

[runningonguts]

I was happy with the way I ran. I think in another week I can be much faster. I ran 82 sec 400 all through the race until the last 2-3 laps.

The essex 4x800 was DQed but for what reason I don't know why. Good job to everyone at the race. Nice run in the 3000 Sam! Happy states!

[JScott]

I think essex got dq'd because their anchor got into a kick with cvu and ended up elbowing them or pushing them inappropriately somehow. I felt kind of bad for them, but it was fine with me-- moved us from 6th to 5th. South Burlington, of course, dominated 4x800, who I think wanted to go under 8:00, but unfortunately it wasn't to be. I have no doubt whatsoever that one of these meets, whehter it be states or NE's, the team will accomplsih that... which is pretty amazing, especially for a vermont school. You guys have the tools to do it.

One thing about Kris Haynes is that somehow, he knows how to come out on top. To me, his kick doesn't look fantastic... I remember watching him in his 600 at indoor NE's, and I had him written off for 2nd or 3rd to last by the 2nd lap, but somehow, with no apparent increase in effort, somehow he won the heat or got 2nd. I think that's a real trademark of a fast person or a great kick... They don't look like they're really laboring to the line, it's all smooth yet incredibly fast. Watching Kris Haynes run I am not intimidated, his speed isn't scary... It's just effective. I feel intimidated by my teammate that runs 53 somethings, but not by Haynes who is around 50 flat. When he's with a pack of people in a distance race who all have similar times, you'll find Haynes at the top of it even if he didn't win the whole race. In the fast heat of the 800 I'm told was Rule and Cote to the last 100 or so, then Haynes with his trademark perfect positioning ends up picking up the scraps when Rule realizes he can't run 1:57.5. Remarkable. He's so good at knowing his potential and maximizing it.

Another remarkable race was Sam's 1500. I didn't pay too close attention to his 3k because I had to watch my main man Tim run a very angry 9:58 (at least a 5-7 second PR if you count 2 mile equivelants), but the 1500... That really was something to watch him work. He went out towards the back of the pack (so judging by his splits the pack went out pretty fast) and then over the last 500-600 just stretched out a wicked long ground eating stride and just started picking off people left and right. Sometimes the brilliance of a race can't just be expressed as a time, it's the way one runs it. Though in the 3k the time speaks for itself... 9:30 is nuts, enough said.

Kyle would have made me a ton of money, if I had remembered to bet on him! Quality.

John ran a delightful 3k... 10:20 is incredibly solid coming off of a month of injury. Can't wait to see what he does at states.

It's a shame because I'd love to see DI states... But it looks like I'll have my own business to take care of Saturday. I'm frustrated with the situation I find myself in... For my 4x8 split I heard everything from 2:09 to 2:12, because the handoff got screwed up, and then I basically ran another 2:12 in the open, so... We'll see. I want to get in that fast heat and score some points for my team, but my feet haven't even officially hit 2:09 yet, so I don't know. Luckily, though, now I'm used to going out in 61, so I can afford to throttle back and be comfortable at 63, and try to run more slightly positive... 63-65, instead of 61-68 or 61-71. We'll see-- I really wish the season were longer, I feel on the verge of a breakthrough and it would be a shame if it ended up going by the boards this season. We'll see though...

Nice performances all!!

[Fanya]

Thanks guys, yesterday's 3k was the best feeling 3k I've ever run. It was really almost perfect. I was worried about the 1500 for a while because there were so many kids in front of me, but somehow it worked out in the end. That race was pretty crazy.

Charlie:

It rained a little bit, but not much. The first half of the meet was absolutely beautiful. Andrew went out ahead of me in the 1500, but I still think he picked some kids off as well. In the 3000 he also went out ahead of me, but we both managed to take out a couple kids including Hamlin and Powers. We almost got Roque but he's got a good kick. I can't wait to race Andrew this fall.

[JScott]

Wow, sorry, last night in my perpetual tiredness I forgot to mention another performance I thought was remarkable... Alex's lead leg of the 4x800. Maybe the reason I was so impressed is because I spent the entire indoor season getting beat my Chris Ketcham, but Alex took that kid down in the last 25-50m (at least, I think it was Ketcham, actually I'm not 100%, but I thought it was at least)... That was impressive, and also gives me hope for indoor next year... The kid is mortal, and Alex is gutsy. I know Ketcham's opens haven't even been that impressive, I guess around 2:05, but what can I say, I was chasing the kid for the entire winter... So yea, I'm impressed. Nice race.

[roosenvt]

Sam is a beast.

[roosenvt]

Sorry, that deserved its own post.

As for the 4x8 DQ, Dan did bump Luke, but it definitely wasn't malicious. They were both kicking really hard, and Dan had been pumping his arms pretty fast/widely even before Luke was approaching him. He kind of bumped Luke with the side of his arm in one of those motions as Luke tried to pass him with 5 or 10 to go. I don't think either guy did anything wrong, so it's a shame that Essex had to be DQed--it was an incredible anchor race to watch.

Did anybody see Brueckner's kick at the end of the 3k? I seriously thought he was going to try to make up that 30m gap between him and Emerson over the last 100. I think that was the fastest final 100 I saw in any event over 400 all day.

And congrats to all you guys--sweet races!

[Fanya]

I was concentrating on Roque's back too much to see John, but I saw Emerson at the bell lap and it didn't look like he had too much of a gap on anyone. His kick in the 1500 was sweet, I think Blake should've perhaps tried edging him out instead of making a charge with 100 to go (he left John with time to react) but there were really no big mistakes in that race. Huge guts for trying to take on the reigning indoor champ in the mile.

I also heard that Ketcham swore at Cope for speeding up when Ketcham was trying to pass him; I'm not sure how true that is, though.

[polyxc]

results posted anywhere?

[Fanya]

http://www.bsdvt.org/schools/bhs/activities/sports/cross_country/T&FResults/05%20TF%20Results/05_b_ess_invit.htm

Not quite yet.

[nordicrunner]

Sam is a beast.

quoted for emphasis.

btw, i went to the VCM today, and alex, did you do the last leg of a relay? i thought i saw you, but maybe not.

it looked like mmu had a few relay teams. beautiful day, although a little less sun would have been nice.

[Fanya]

Hahah, calm down guys. Jeff opened two 800s in 61 (my own open 400 PR is 62, for gosh sakes) and Kyle ran 9:22 as a sophomore. I'm the least beastly kid in this thread.

My sister saw Alex running in the marathon too, I think she was working some water station herself. I was up at 6:45 this morning because I fell asleep right after the meet finished yesterday, but didn't have a ride downtown.

[nordicrunner]

Kyle [is] a beast with a 9:22 sophomore time

quoted for emphasis.

and, should i make the 2 hour trip to rutland this saturday? im trying to decide.

[JScott]

VCM, irony of ironies... I completely forgot about it today until my dad (who's done some marathons) told me about a few of his friends who were in it... Then I realized I was wearing the shirt from last year's race (i ran a relay leg last year). ::twilight zone music::

As for Brueckner's 3k kick, I noticed it too, and it was incredible... Too late to do any good, but still INCREDIBLY fast.

From the sounds/looks of it, both kyle and sam are beast material. Reality check, sam... A real beast goes out in 61... Then negative splits.

Alex, if you were at the vcm, tell us about it... How did you do?

[Fanya]

Eli Howard is still going strong. He split 1:24:55 enroute to 3:00:36 for the marathon yesterday; I believe this is his second one.

edit:

**** **** **** I forgot to confront Churchill yesterday about running with Jason Rexing at FL Nats. **** **** ****

[nordicrunner]

Eli Howard is still going strong. He split 1:24:55 enroute to 3:00:36 for the marathon yesterday; I believe this is his second one.

edit:

**** **** **** I forgot to confront Churchill yesterday about running with Jason Rexing at FL Nats. **** **** ****

hahaha.

btw, in the free press today, all the marathon results. a lot of high school/college people from the area. too many to name.

[JScott]

Seeds are up for the d1 state meet... Good luck to all, no one on dyestat really has an easy task as far as I can see... I was seeded 6th in the 1k indoor and was sweating blood the entire week, though I knew of the situation long before the seeds came out. Good luck, I have faith in all of you...

The link:

http://www.bsdvt.org/schools/bhs/activities/sports/cross_country/TFStateMeet/state_performance_list.htm

[nordicrunner]

hmm, next to moskevitz's name, there is an "x". i wonder if he will be able to run in the d.1 races, or if he'll have to run in d.3.

of course he practices and runs with the bfa team, but doesn't run for bfa as a 'team member'.

in states for cross, he ran in the D.3 race, and dominated, winning by something like 50 seconds. it doesn't seem like he would have too much competition. and imo, it seems like he would just be taking a championship (well in cross, at least) from others who run for d.3 schools.

any thoughts on this?

[Fanya]

If he runs in D3, he won't be pushed to a fast time, so it's to his advantage to run in D1. I don't think running in D3 and getting a championship is really robbing anyone else of one, because he's homeschooled and it's not as if he's not doing the work to get faster.

For me, if he ran in D3 it would be an advantage because then I'd have a better chance at qualifying for NE's, but I don't care because I wouldn't embarrass myself by running at the NE meet anyway. I hope he runs D1, because then we can work together to run fast, I guess.

[SB4x8]

Hey guys congrats on great races sat. VCM was wicked tiring. I ran the first and last legs for my relay team (which even though i ran 2 out of 5 legs still managed to suck big time) my 5k time for the 1st leg was about 18:51 but I was so far back that by the time I acctually started running the race had been going on for 45 seconds. My last leg was really fast. For the 5.6 mile leg I had on my watch 27:39. So between essex invites, the VCM, and prom, I'm now officially sick. I woke up this morning with a really nasty cold so we'll see how well I'm feeling for sat.

[JScott]

Holy ****, 27:39? Wicked awesome... that's under 5/mile, thats nuts! Was it downhill, or were u just flying? Man, it's a hard time to believe, but its even harder for me to believe you'd lie... so nice!

If he's on the performance list, it means he's running, but i have a different take on the 'x' than you guys. It means he's running d1, and if he gets in the top 6 he'll qualify for ne's, but they'll skip over him in the scoring. ie

1. Tenenbaum-Lane 10
2. Rosenblad 8
3. Emerson 6
4. Peeples 4
5. Moskevitz x
6. Brueckner 2
7. Roque 1

And Roque misses the bus to NE's by 1 place but still helps his team. That's of course, assuming, no d2 or d3 people beat any of your times... But that's a pretty safe assumption I think.

That's what they were going to do indoor states with the club/varsity teams, thats what they did at the burlington invite as far as podium/medals go (non-invited teams couldnt score points and didnt count in the scoring but did get medals), so I assume that's what they're going to do in this situation.

If you qualify for ne's, you should run there. Who cares if ur embarrassingly slow? You earned it, and it was quite an experience for me (not to mention a huge PR) indoors.

[nordicrunner]

yeah, i hope that he is able to run in the division 1 meet.

[Fanya]

I forgot to mention, the main reason why I wouldn't run NE's is to get a headstart on my ultimate summer.

[JScott]

geez, I screwed my list up top all up... i edited it, but i had mispellings and I think the x next to Emerson. Sorry about that.

Moskevitz is running d1 if he's on the performance list-- someone entered him, and if he's on the list that means whoever's running the meet has allowed him to race. That's good for him, he'll get another strong 3k against awesome competition and possibly qualify to NE's. It's also nice for you guys that he doesn't get to score... Points up for grabs. Sounds like everybody wins.

[nordicrunner]

I'm now officially sick. I woke up this morning with a really nasty cold so we'll see how well I'm feeling for sat.

that sucks, dude.

[SB4x8]

that time was only a 5 mile it wasnt with the added .6 sorry forgot to mention that haha

[runningonguts]

YES!

DII performance list is up.

http://www.bsdvt.org/schools/bhs/activities/sports/cross_country/TFStateMeet/state_performance_list.htm#DIV%20II%20PERFORMANCE% 20LIST

[Fanya]

And so are the Essex results!

[JScott]

First things first. Alex! How's the cold? Does everybody feel ready to compete? How's the week of training gone? Hope all is well and everyone is amped/excited... Any particular goals for anyone?

personally, I'm in need of some advice...

At states, I'll most likely run 2 of the 3 events I'm entered in... the 4x800, and then either the 1500 or the open 800. You guys can see the performance list, what do you think? Right now I'm leading towards the 1500 (with the option of running open 800 if I feel exceptionally good, though it'll be unlikely because there's not much chance to PR, much less, score, after running 2 events already) for a couple of reasons... Under 4:30 will put me in the mix (even though it may not score me), I feel like I have a chance to PR because I've only run it 3 times so I may have some upward potential, it's 8 seconds over almost 4 laps to drop as opposed to 5 seconds over 2 laps, plus since it comes after the 4x8 I'll have enough time to rest and basically will just have to stay warm instead of cooling off then trying to get all up again. I don't know, I've been stuck all season in the 800, I looked at some time equivelants and the field in the 1500 is weaker (according to some sources the equivelant performance of a 2:07 800 is a 4:22 1500), plus it comes earlier in the meet so I can focus more on the races of my teammates after I run than my own task. There are a lot of reasons to run the 800 too... It's been my "specialty", I went out in 2 really strong first laps and am "due" for a breakout race, there will be more time to rest between races... I don't know, what do you guys think? I talked to my coach and since our team isn't really in the running and scoring in either event would be a stretch, he put it up to me. I'm leaning towards the 1500... Can anyone make a compelling case for me running the 800?

[smibbster]

yeah, id do the 4 by 8 as hard as you can and then go all out in the 1500 and see what you get. I personnally run the 1500 in about 4.03 and i think you can break 4 with me. Yeah!!!! Then cheer for FHUHS in the 3K.

[irunsometimes]

YES!

DII performance list is up.

http://www.bsdvt.org/schools/bhs/activities/sports/cross_country/TFStateMeet/state_performance_list.htm#DIV%20II%20PERFORMANCE% 20LIST
looking at those div 2 and div 3 performance lists, i wish i wasn't in div 1.
at least for one meet

[Fanya]

Sorry to be blunt but--

Who are you guys?

[nordicrunner]

I personnally run the 1500 in about 4.03 and i think you can break 4 with me.

must be a teammate?

and you're no bruce hyde/bobby edgerton/mint henk. (even though i don't think henk ever broke 4 for the 15 in high school, hes still a monster with that 8:23 and national championship in the 2k steeple). haha.

[irunsometimes]

i'm from stja.
and i had nothing to do, so i signed up yesterday i think

[roosenvt]

Whoa, we're like that crazy Connecticut thread.


Goals, eh... The only thing I really want to do is give us a chance in the 4x8--whatever time that means running. The 15 is nice, but the state 4x8 is easily my favorite event in all of running.


And smibbster... That's a pretty fearsome 1500. Maybe they messed up your time in the entries?

[irunsometimes]

are you guys mostly long distance runners?
thats what it seems from the thread
just wondering.

[roosenvt]

Yeah, I run 4x8 and 15 now. Used to run the 3k, but I've found that I don't really have the base for it this spring. (Also run cross-country in the fall.)

What do you run/do?

[irunsometimes]

200 - 24.2 , 400 - 53.4, 4x100 (second leg) - 45.1, 4x400 (second leg) - 3:30.8

[irunsometimes]

Yeah, I run 4x8 and 15 now. Used to run the 3k, but I've found that I don't really have the base for it this spring. (Also run cross-country in the fall.)

What do you run/do?
oh, and i'd hate running a 3k or 1500
i might try the 800 next year though
what would be a good time in it?

[SB4x8]

Hey Jeff the cold is going away, though I'm still a little stuffed up. Had a decent workout today and the rest of the week is mileage so i think that sat. I'll be 100%. About your questioning what you should run sat. I think that if your team isn't going to win the meet or be really competitive don't put the pressure on yourself to go out there and score. I would focus more on myself and getting out there and kicking ass in my individual events. The 4x8 is undoubtedly one of the best events in track but the 1500 and 800 are fun also. I would try to do all three though if I had to pick 2 it would be the 4x800 and 800. That way in the 4x800 if I didn't have a great time I could correct whatever I feel I did wrong and I wouldn't have to worry about rest.

[runningonguts]

You should run the 800. However, the only compelling reason is because I am running the 1500. :-)

In all honesty you should run the 1500 and you might pull me to a faster time.

[smibbster]

yeah that time was in my first meet ever, and i really dont run very much. Im kind of isolated here in alaska. and where in the cold season now, but they are sending me a plane so i can fly to nationals. But i am flying in to see FHUHS and Essex win states on saturday.







Fire is my hobby... well more of a passion, but sometimes i do get burned.

[Fanya]

yeah that time was in my first meet ever, and i really dont run very much. Im kind of isolated here in alaska. and where in the cold season now, but they are sending me a plane so i can fly to nationals. But i am flying in to see FHUHS and Essex win states on saturday.







Fire is my hobby... well more of a passion, but sometimes i do get burned.


You have anything constructive to say?

[irunsometimes]

i guess you'll be surprised when essex doesn't win states then.

[nordicrunner]

i really think essex has too much depth to lose out to someone.

i thought we had a good team last year that could challenge them. but, after a few mishaps in the 300 hurdles and other events, we ended up taking second to them by 60 points i think.

i think even if they don't take a lot of the events, the depth behind the top 2 or 3 will win it.

but then again, i haven't seen many meets this year, so i could be wrong, and i hope im wrong.

[Fanya]

They completely stacked the 1500 and 3000, sacrificing the 4x800. Bryant will garner about 30 points by himself, if not more. Is their jumper guy V Chase competing this year?

Charlie, will you be there on Saturday?

[roosenvt]

Is their jumper guy V Chase competing this year?

I think he graduated, but they have a couple of other young jumpers who could definitely score.

[Fanya]

Thanks for confirmation, I had gotten the idea he was a junior last year from someone.

[irunsometimes]

so far we've beat them in every meet ( i know they dont always bring their best, but i'm just saying)
and then at essex invitationals if you count the points up, we were behind by 7.
this is with our either first or second place 110m hurdler false starting, and our first place 4x400 team not running it.
i'm definitely thinking it's stjas year.

[nordicrunner]

They completely stacked the 1500 and 3000, sacrificing the 4x800. Bryant will garner about 30 points by himself, if not more. Is their jumper guy V Chase competing this year?

Charlie, will you be there on Saturday?

yeah kyle, vail was a senior last year. i remember him and ryan myers (from bfa) dueling in some meets. hes a cool kid, anyone know where he went to school?

im still deciding whether or not i will be going. tis a long drive.

[JScott]

so far we've beat them in every meet ( i know they dont always bring their best, but i'm just saying)
and then at essex invitationals if you count the points up, we were behind by 7.
this is with our either first or second place 110m hurdler false starting, and our first place 4x400 team not running it.
i'm definitely thinking it's stjas year.

Don't forget that Essex's 4x800 got dq'd at essex... that's 8 points right there.

[irunsometimes]

Don't forget that Essex's 4x800 got dq'd at essex... that's 8 points right there.
yeah, it's going to be very close, a couple points should end up seperating first and second place

[_KN_]

When and where are the DI and DII state meets happening this year?

[irunsometimes]

D1 is at rutland hs, i dont know about d2

[nordicrunner]

hey keith, nice to see you back around posting.

dII is at U-32 this year.

[vttrack212]

KN, states start at 10 a.m. tomorrow
Any predictions for D-II? team-wise?

[Fanya]

vttrack212, feel free to introduce yourself. We're a pretty small group, so it helps to know who's who.

By the way, welcome back Keith! I remember you helped me on the old board about doubling after track practices in the evening. How're things going? I saw your old teammate Brian Mongeon has been running some nice 800s.

[vttrack212]

I'm an old-timer who loves track. The name is Chris. So who's taking titles tomorrow?
My picks:
D-I boys essex (too much depth)
D-I girls essex (MMU won't have the same day as last year)
D-II boys Lyndon (back after a off-year in 2004)
D-II girls Fair Haven (always in it)

Any predictions on top athletes? Who will shine the brightest?

[irunsometimes]

top athlete -- david kennedy in the 200 and 400, likely 2nd in the 100.

[Fanya]

or blaise cote, in the 4x8, 1500 800 and 4x4 most likely 2nd

edit: or bryant williams, or that barkoski kid

the list is really endless, i mean some random rutland kid got it last week for winning 1 event and placing 2nd in another

[vttrack212]

Kennedy is a great talent for a sophomore. It's too bad the 100 final is immediately after the 400 final. I don't think he will even manage second even with the 100 field as weak as it is in D-II. I have seen great 100 meter runners shaken in the blocks after runnin the 400.

[Kily]

The name is Chris.

My name is James ...


hmm...

[nordicrunner]

well if any of you guys see this before...good luck at states later today.

i don't think i'll be able to make it.

edit: nice catch, kily. haha.

[nordicrunner]

results are up at bhs...
http://www.bsdvt.org/schools/bhs/activities/sports/cross_country/T&FResults/05%20TF%20Results/05_b_state_di.htm

looks like a good meet. some great times, some crappy times.

1 62 Jordan Peeples 11 Brattleboro VT 9:08.62$ 10
was this a dominating performance from the start, or did it start out slow.

and to talk about the essex depth, which would win them the meet. here are the others in the top 6 in the 3000...
2 219 David Emerson SR Essex VT 9:16.21 8
3 289 John Brueckner SO Missisquoi VT 9:23.93 6
4 225 Tyler Kieft SR Essex VT 9:29.36 4
5 231 Dan Ramsay SO Essex VT 9:30.67 2
6 233 Ben Roque SR Essex VT 9:36.68

will anyone beat mint's time in the future?

1500
1 233 Ben Roque SR Essex VT 4:08.82 10
2 289 John Brueckner SO Missisquoi VT 4:11.89 8

is this roque's best time? i haven't seem him down that far this season, i don't think. and also, brueckner is going to be such a monster in vt running the next two years.

1) Essex High School - VT 101
2) St. Johnsbury Academy - V 83

its all in the depth of essex. here is another event where i didn't expect so many essex kids:
1 236 Bryant Williams JR Essex VT 40.13$ 2 10
2 468 Brian Goodwin SR St. Johnsbury VT 41.60$ 2 8
3 279 Justin Wakefield SR Middlebury VT 42.42 2 6
4 234 Bill Sutton SR Essex VT 42.52 2 4
5 230 Jason Polakowski SO Essex VT 43.54 1 2
6 235 Brad Williams FR Essex VT 43.81 2 1

no moskevitz in d1, i wonder if he just didn't go.

one this i have to mention is my old school. from second place last year, to 14th this year. that sucks, eh? as for kahlil, i think he was suspended from the last two weeks of track for something he did (not sure what).

[Fanya]

Ok that sucked, no comment.

It's summer, so now we can move forward.

edit: I call Peoples on cross champ next year, that kid's too bizarre to lose

edit2: for those wondering/who weren't there, it was at least 90F during some parts of the meet today.

[nordicrunner]

too bizarre to lose, eh? haha, that sounds great.

and...that sucks about the heat.

[Fanya]

I also tripped/stumbled/fell at the 3k start and they restarted the race. That was embarrassing.

[vttrack212]

D-II
Kennedy, 22.52, 50.04 (singh from rice 50.55)

[irunsometimes]

that heat killed my straight 400, but i still got sixth and a new pink ribbon
/scoreee

[nordicrunner]

D.II results (http://www.bsdvt.org/schools/bhs/activities/sports/cross_country/T&FResults/05%20TF%20Results/05_state_dii.htm)

D.III results (http://www.bsdvt.org/schools/bhs/activities/sports/cross_country/T&FResults/05%20TF%20Results/05_state_diii.htm)

edit: i was right, moskevitz ran in d.III states:

1 250 Follensbee, Ryan 11 South Royalton 4:23.05 10
2 306 Moskevitz, Andrew 11 Enosburg 4:25.20 8

1 306 Moskevitz, Andrew 11 Enosburg 9:40.23 10
2 250 Follensbee, Ryan 11 South Royalton 9:46.10 8

haha, another edit: i just noticed, enosburg high school, without having xc, indoor track, nordic skiing, or track, because of moskevitz, placed 9th of 17 teams.

[runningonguts]

The boys DII 110 hurdles was crazy. Rolland and the Lyndon kid were right next to each other fighting for all both of them were worth, and smashing almost all the hurdles. Going over the last hurdle, Rolland, in lane 4, smashes his hurdle so hard it flys into lane 6 just as the vergennes guy is coming over his hurdle. The vergennes guys who was in 3rd smashes his crotch right on the corner of the end of the hurdle, and needless to say just collaps on the ground holding himself. The meet officials gave the vergennes guy 6th place even though he did not finish. It just does not seem quite fair.

[JScott]

Good work today, John. You windsor boys really know how to compete, and slide yourselves in for little bonus points where you can get them. It's a sign of truly racing with guts, and also, I'm sure, good coaching. I'm proud of your performances-- 4:26/10:12, very strong improvements.

I, however, agree with Sam. I'm ready to forget about my horrible decision to run the 1500 instead of the 800 (right again, Alex)... I finished 2nd to last in the 15 because I hung on to the lead pack for as long as I could and just wasn't in the right shape for it (ended up at 4:40, YUCK), then watched sadly as I saw the 800 shake out, an 800 I know I could've been competitive in. It leads me bitter, and with a strong desire to avoid anything resembling speed for the next month or 2. I'm ready for some LSD and hill work.

Encouraging things in the d1 results for me: Lane Thornton is back around 2:04 where he belongs, instead of running 2:02 or whatnot. God that time scared me for indoor (scared for indoor already??!). Sorrell (another possible 1k threat indoors, though I doubt most of you know him) had a weak showing (for him) for some reason, it must have been the heat or something, but he didn't look so good today. Hate to be a pest about something so far in the future... but where the hell was ketcham today? Didn't see him in the results...

This will be my last post on this thread, consider it a symbolic gesture, I'm ready to leave this sub par season behind. See you all on the next thread, if it doesn't exist yet I'm making it... "VT Pre XC" or something to that effect.

Good efforts all!!

[nordicrunner]

for new englands, i wonder if any of the essex guys are gonna go. or who else is going to go?

i remember looking at results, maybe last year, and there was no essex.

[irunsometimes]

stj 4x100 and 4x400 relay teams are going to new englands
the 4x400 team is going for the state record, we hit 3:30.3 yesterday, and the SR is 3:29.2

[runningonguts]

Can anyone tell me how DI boys 3000 went. I know who won, just how did the tactics shape up. I read in the news paper that Peeples lost count of the laps and sprinted a lap early. Did anyone go with him? Peeples is an awsome runner. I am VERY glad he won the 3000.

[Fanya]

Congratulations on your awesome 1500, John. I ran 4:28 too.

[runningonguts]

Thanks, but I couldn't match your 3000. Running a 1500/3000 double like you did, with consistant times, is very hard in that heat.

[Fanya]

Yeah. My 3000 wasn't that great, though. My coach was really mad at me afterwards.

[runningonguts]

I hate it when coaches get mad at athletes for performances. Expecially when the athlete gave the best he had. Running fast times on Sat was really hard to do.

[fromvt]

the Division II 400 meter ran was by far the premier event at VT states

[runningonguts]

the Division II 400 meter ran was by far the premier event at VT states

I agree. by the way, who are you?

[irunsometimes]

the Division II 400 meter ran was by far the premier event at VT states
wrong.

div1
1 311 Kris Haynes SO Mt. Anthony VT 50.41$
2 484 Chris Wilkins SR St. Johnsbury VT 51.11
3 482 Kevin Stanton SR St. Johnsbury VT 52.68
4 131 Joe Cope JR Champlain Val VT 53.05
5 140 Caleb Miles SO Champlain Val VT 53.10
6 483 Kevin Thorne JR St. Johnsbury VT 53.44

div2
1 108 Kennedy, David Lamoille VT 50.04
2 230 Singh, Pritpal Rice Mem VT 50.55
3 334 Doyle-Burr, Silas Mt. Abe VT 52.81
4 20 Mohn, Chris Bellows Falls VT 53.14
5 90 Jones, Ethan Harwood VT 53.49
6 47 King, Dustin Fair Haven VT 53.86

[runningonguts]

How is that wrong? DII had faster times and closer finishes.

[Fanya]

It was the premier event because a sophomore in freaking VERMONT almost ran sub-50.

Premier event next fall will be the Metro Championship @ Missisquoi, including Essex, CVU, and the other teams in the district. Or at least I think it will be.

[irunsometimes]

How is that wrong? DII had faster times and closer finishes.
range of times in div1 was less, hence div1 had closer finishes.

[fromvt]

so what; the range could be 75.6 and 75.7; does not make it more exciting or worthwhile. I challenge you to find the last time two kids from the same division ran under 51 FAT at states, or under 51 even handheld. Granted, DI times were very good; anyone running those times certainly dererve respect,they just werent as good as DII

[SB4x8]

Not to change the subject or anything but John are you windsor boys going to NE's for the 4x8?

[runningonguts]

I don't know. I am not because I have a college trip this weekend into next week. The boys missed the school record by .55 seconds with our anchor coasting the last 200. They were pretty ticked. It will be thier last try.

[roosenvt]

Are you guys going to NEs, Alex?

[fromvt]

Will a Vermonter break 50.00 at NE ? Only time will tell

[300kicks]

15 David Kennedy SO Lamoille VT 50.04
21 Kris Haynes SO Mt. Anthony VT 50.41
24 Pritpal Singh SR Rice Mem VT 50.55
And 2 are Sophs !!

[SB4x8]

yea we are but blake is sick so we'll see how he holds up. Are you guys going?

[runningonguts]

Will a Vermonter break 50.00 at NE ? Only time will tell

Kennedy is not going. I talked to him.