Millrose Games.....ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????

[PSlevin]

I just went on the NJ site and found the Millrose Games Meet schedule.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????????????????????????

The CHSAA Boys 4x800m race isn't scheduled to go off until 10:25PM???????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????????????????????????

The BORDER CLASH 4 x800m event took over th usual 6:30ish spot!!!!!

The BORDER CLASH????????????????????????????????

ARE YOU SERIOUS??????????????????????????????????

WHO IN THE HELL IS RUNNING THIS????????????????????????

No wonder the meet promoter "didn't have the meet schedule yet" when I e-mailed him on Weds. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who's gonne be in the building when my team runs?????

All the kids that I have going to the meet........all the parents.....all of my alumni........are they going to stick around???????

I guess the powers that be are counting on it.

This is just so unfair.

The Catholic schools have the Frosh/Soph CHSAA Championships at The Armory on Saturday!!!!!!!
How are those young kids going to run after being in Penn station catching their trains home to L.I. past midnight???????

The college coaches that like to put a name to a face.......they'll be long gone before my guys ever hit the track.

When I think of all of the guys that have RUN in this event......sitting there with their old HS cronies...........10:25 at night?????????
THE LAST EVENT ON THE CARD?????????????????????????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME????????????????????????????

.............yet another reason why I hope this meet just folds!!!

[backtoback]

I just went on the NJ site and found the Millrose Games Meet schedule.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????????????????????????

The CHSAA Boys 4x800m race isn't scheduled to go off until 10:25PM???????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????????????????????????

The BORDER CLASH 4 x800m event took over th usual 6:30ish spot!!!!!

The BORDER CLASH????????????????????????????????

ARE YOU SERIOUS??????????????????????????????????

WHO IN THE HELL IS RUNNING THIS????????????????????????

No wonder the meet promoter "didn't have the meet schedule yet" when I e-mailed him on Weds. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who's gonne be in the building when my team runs?????

All the kids that I have going to the meet........all the parents.....all of my alumni........are they going to stick around???????

I guess the powers that be are counting on it.

This is just so unfair.

The Catholic schools have the Frosh/Soph CHSAA Championships at The Armory on Saturday!!!!!!!
How are those young kids going to run after being in Penn station catching their trains home to L.I. past midnight???????

The college coaches that like to put a name to a face.......they'll be long gone before my guys ever hit the track.

When I think of all of the guys that have RUN in this event......sitting there with their old HS cronies...........10:25 at night?????????
THE LAST EVENT ON THE CARD?????????????????????????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME????????????????????????????

.............yet another reason why I hope this meet just folds!!!

Coach,
As my team is one that is running I want to take offense to your rant. I understand your upset that CHSAA is running so late, we as well have our County Championships that begin at 9am the next morning. If we were scheduled to run at 10:25pm so be it, it would be the card we were dealt. I understand the tradition of the CHSAA 4x8 and all but unfortunately that event is not the only thing Millrose is for. We too will have families, alumni, and teammates there cheering as well.
Somebody is always upset with something, be it time of event, order, or whatever and this year it happens to be CHSAA who maybe gets the short end.
I will say it makes no sense to put the National Anthem at 10:10pm but you are right near the Wanamaker Mile and HS Mile which are 2 other featured events...I would think people will stick around for it.
Best of luck.

[tiger2x]

Where is the actual schedule posted?

[PSlevin]

No No No
You misunderstood me.
I wasn't putting down the Border Clash.
I'm happy your team made it.

I understand that the CHSAA isn't the only gang in the Garden.
But, we've been at this meet for quite a long time.
And these are HS kids we're talking about.
HS kids who have been up since 6:00ish and have had to go to a full day of school.
No matter how you slice it....its is unfair.
The CHSAA has had that slot for a very long time. I believe that we are probably responsible year in and year out for putting an awful lot of fannies in those MSG seats.....(probably ten times the amount of guys from my school than all of the Border Clash teams combined I'll wager!!!)and I believe that the meet promoters are now taking advantage of that fact.

Best of luck to you and to your squad.

But I'm still VERY UPSET over this crap.

[PSlevin]

The schedule was posted on the New Jersey Dyestat thread.
When I e-mailed the meet promoters looking for a schedule and asking where my team's credentials were I got very little information and even Armorytrack doesn't have the schedule posted yet. Neither does the Millrose Games site.

[backtoback]

No No No
You misunderstood me.
I wasn't putting down the Border Clash.
I'm happy your team made it.

I understand that the CHSAA isn't the only gang in the Garden.
But, we've been at this meet for quite a long time.
And these are HS kids we're talking about.
HS kids who have been up since 6:00ish and have had to go to a full day of school.
No matter how you slice it....its is unfair.
The CHSAA has had that slot for a very long time. I believe that we are probably responsible year in and year out for putting an awful lot of fannies in those MSG seats.....(probably ten times the amount of guys from my school than all of the Border Clash teams combined I'll wager!!!)and I believe that the meet promoters are now taking advantage of that fact.

Best of luck to you and to your squad.

But I'm still VERY UPSET over this crap.

Agreed. The HS events could be earlier and IMO, even put next to each other at a decent hour. Think about how Shen feels driving 3hours after being up since 6am, it is hard on the HS athlete no doubt.

[PSlevin]

Oh well......what are going to do?


Its not like the meet promoter is going to somehow wave his magic
wand and put us back into the time-slot that we've ALWAYS been in.
They've got us right where they want us.
They KNOW that more
than half of the men in the building are CHSAA alumni.
That these men go to this meet as sort of a "reunion"
EVERY year.
That these men come to Millrose EVERY
year to see their HS teams compete.
Now I guess they can get there a little
later than usual.

Its not like my kids won't be UP to run on the Garden boards.

They've only been able to say one word in every workout since XC ended......and that word of course......is......"MILLROSE".

The tail that wags the dog.

Everyone wants to be a half-miler to run
on the crappiest track we run on all-season-long.

It is a necessary evil I guess.

I know my guys would run the race if it was
at 1:00 in the morning!!!!!

Attention Verizon, Hershey's, Aquafina, Snickers, Sprint,
Tropicana, Danon.....and every other corporate big-deal
that have come along and tried to keep this meet afloat....
STAY AWAY.
Let it die.
We'll go down to The Armory and probably
put on a better meet!!!
With faster times.
Imagine how fast Lagat could run at The Armory?
Imagine Villanova duking it out with
Arkansas and G'town in the 4X8 on THAT track?
Imagine Kellenberg and Chaminade and Fordham Prep and Iona
and Farrell and Xavier and Bishop Loughlin....and
all the other CHSAA schools going at it...man-for-man,
leg-for-leg.....[oh wait! THAT already happens
at The Armory....in the MILLROSE GAMES TRIALS!!!]
And guess what?.....we have no corporate sponsors
at the trials!!!!!
So corporate "help"....stay away.
Beacuse everytime you put your grubby little
hands into this meet, you leave out the most
important factor......the kids......the athletes...
the REAL track & field fans.
You just want your name on the signs.
The other 364 days of the year you could care less
about the sport.

[open]

The schedule was posted on the New Jersey Dyestat thread.
When I e-mailed the meet promoters looking for a schedule and asking where my team's credentials were I got very little information and even Armorytrack doesn't have the schedule posted yet. Neither does the Millrose Games site.

Your rant seems to answer your question as to why they put this race last. The CHSAA is one of the feature events of the meet year in and year out bring the crowd to a roar. As you said there are many parents, team mates, alumni all going to the Garden to see this event soooooo I bet the meet promoters have seen this over the years and to be sure that the seats are filled for the end of the night they have put this featured event last. Just think all those loud CHSAA fans in the seats right to the end.

I enjoyed the CHSAA 4 x 800 over the years early as it seemed to get the place pumped, but it will be a great way to end the night as well. Would it be better for these teams, coaches and fans if the event was earlier in the evening no doubt, but I am sure they will adjust and still enjoy the evening and do what needs to be done the next day

[mhs-xc]

To be honest I would say that it is more prestigious to be near the end of the meet close to the other headline events. I am sorry to hear that your runners are going to get a few hours less rest but come on. If you are going to complain about the event being moved to 10:25 you might as well complain about the date of Millrose. No runner should have to compete on less than 24 hours rest, but it is a level playing field seeing that all the CHSAA teams have to run at 10:25 and then the next morning.

BTW how many freshmen and sophomores are in your 4x8 at Millrose? I hope you are not getting mad because the kids from your team that are coming to watch are not going to be able to get to bed. My coaches have always told me to be a good runner you need to put competitions and training ahead of social functions. FYI there is a 10:56 train on the Babylon line so your spectators can watch the race and be home (if they live by me) before midnight.

[SoverIgn]

To be honest I would say that it is more prestigious to be near the end of the meet close to the other headline events. I am sorry to hear that your runners are going to get a few hours less rest but come on. If you are going to complain about the event being moved to 10:25 you might as well complain about the date of Millrose. No runner should have to compete on less than 24 hours rest, but it is a level playing field seeing that all the CHSAA teams have to run at 10:25 and then the next morning.

BTW how many freshmen and sophomores are in your 4x8 at Millrose? I hope you are not getting mad because the kids from your team that are coming to watch are not going to be able to get to bed. My coaches have always told me to be a good runner you need to put competitions and training ahead of social functions. FYI there is a 10:56 train on the Babylon line so your spectators can watch the race and be home (if they live by me) before midnight.

Fantastic point, couldn't have said it better if I wanted to. Personally, I don't see how the difference in time, say 2 hours really matters that much. Most of the time these athletes that are competing stay till the end of the meet anyway, so running toward the end shouldn't be all that different. Perhaps, they will have to stay the extra 15 minutes to cool down as compared to leaving when the meet ends anyway. I don't see how it could matter all that much to the athletes. Like it was stated, it's the athletes that are actually competing, and not the coaches. If the kids would run at one in the morning, then they will be able to run at 10 in the night. Something's telling me that the Millrose organizers aren't too concerned with what the Coaches perceive as a proper time, and rather fit the race in where it would draw the most interest, and that is at the end of the meet. It's a simple explanation.

[RKramden]

SoverIgn,

I think Pat is upset that his Freshmen & Sophomores can't (or shouldn't) be at this meet to cheer on the upperclassmen. In the CHSAA, like Pat had said earlier, once XC is over, all the teams think about is the Millrose games. It's the atmosphere and aura of running in the Garden where some of the greats of the sport will be competing also. Because the Frosh/Soph Intersectional Championships are the next day at the Armory, many of the underclassmen in all honesty, can't go to see their team compete due to the late start. IMO, if they ran the Border Clash then the CHSAA (or vice versa) they would electrify the crowd and get them more pumped to stay and see the rest of the event.

That's my $0.02

[chewy]

SoverIgn,

I think Pat is upset that his Freshmen & Sophomores can't (or shouldn't) be at this meet to cheer on the upperclassmen. In the CHSAA, like Pat had said earlier, once XC is over, all the teams think about is the Millrose games. It's the atmosphere and aura of running in the Garden where some of the greats of the sport will be competing also. Because the Frosh/Soph Intersectional Championships are the next day at the Armory, many of the underclassmen in all honesty, can't go to see their team compete due to the late start. IMO, if they ran the Border Clash then the CHSAA (or vice versa) they would electrify the crowd and get them more pumped to stay and see the rest of the event.

That's my $0.02

then why is he bashing millrose and asking for it 2 be moved 2 the armory? no offense but his rant and your reasoning contradict one another because you are right talking about the aura of running in the garden. every runner from ny would love 2 be apart of the games and have a chance 2 step on the garden track. i think its just one man's beef because he got dealt the wrong card. btw the fordham prep team said in the paper that millrose was really just a bonus and that they care more about the city championship. so as an outsider (not part of the CHSAA) looking in it seems to me that these athletes and coaches really don't appreciate running at the garden. the westchester and rockland schools would love to be able 2 get automatic 4x8 bids like the CHSAA.
thats how i see it, i could be wrong.

[GBaby842]

no offense, but all the freshman and sophomores(even juniors and seniors) cheering on their teammates and friends, are going to stay for the elite races anyway. when i went of course i wanted to see the CHSAA 4x800, but i wanted to see the mile and the other pros out there too. i dont think its a big deal for spectators, because most people stay late anyway. i think it sucks though that these kids have to race at such a late time.

[donald5370]

millrose is millrose..the meet is not going to take into account how the HS teams might have to deal with racing back-to-back days as this is primarily not a HS meet..just a couple races, when people are invited, you make a decision on which is more important to you, millrose or a county meet etc. that might be the next day. you can do both..you just have to accept you might need to sacrifice some things such as a good nigths sleep if you want to run millrose and perform well at a county/league meet etc the next day...it was peoples choices to accept..if there really was that much of a problem with it, you could have easily declined.

my .02

[mjtrack]

Boo-Hoo-Hoo,

So the poor catholic HS have to stay up late to run? That is sooooo sad.

I have kids on my team that don't have enough $$$ to buy racing spikes. Our uniforms are tattered and coaches work for almost free. And you are crying because you get to run in one of the most exciting events for a HS track athlete?

I have about had it with these catholic HS's. If you can't coach in a large private school, where the kids have $$$ and come from all over, you can't coach anywhere.

I am sick of comparing apples to oranges. Real relays teams are formed when the kids live within a few miles of each other. Not when they magically appear from all over Long Island.

Good Luck at Millrose, if you can stay awake that long.



I just went on the NJ site and found the Millrose Games Meet schedule.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????????????????????????

The CHSAA Boys 4x800m race isn't scheduled to go off until 10:25PM???????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????????????????????????

The BORDER CLASH 4 x800m event took over th usual 6:30ish spot!!!!!

The BORDER CLASH????????????????????????????????

ARE YOU SERIOUS??????????????????????????????????

WHO IN THE HELL IS RUNNING THIS????????????????????????

No wonder the meet promoter "didn't have the meet schedule yet" when I e-mailed him on Weds. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who's gonne be in the building when my team runs?????

All the kids that I have going to the meet........all the parents.....all of my alumni........are they going to stick around???????

I guess the powers that be are counting on it.

This is just so unfair.

The Catholic schools have the Frosh/Soph CHSAA Championships at The Armory on Saturday!!!!!!!
How are those young kids going to run after being in Penn station catching their trains home to L.I. past midnight???????

The college coaches that like to put a name to a face.......they'll be long gone before my guys ever hit the track.

When I think of all of the guys that have RUN in this event......sitting there with their old HS cronies...........10:25 at night?????????
THE LAST EVENT ON THE CARD?????????????????????????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME????????????????????????????

.............yet another reason why I hope this meet just folds!!!

[RKramden]

the westchester and rockland schools would love to be able 2 get automatic 4x8 bids like the CHSAA.
thats how i see it, i could be wrong.

Chewy,

While they have a CHSAA 4X800, there is no AUTOMATIC bids. They have qualifiers to earn the priviledge to run this race. I can understand that you'd like to see your schools get an event at this meet, I guess that's what you mean by automatic bids. If you petition the organizers of the meet, maybe you could get it to work. (they did just add the Border Clash 4X800 ! ) Personally, I'd like to see the meet at the Armory also, as the track is MUCH more race friendly, and the seating brings the fans closer to the action. However, it'll never move because the Armory doesn't have enough seats for all the bodies that come to watch the Millrose games.

Just remember however, the CHSAA alumni tend to attend this meet in huge numbers which makes the promoters & meet directors happy (and puts $$$ in their pockets). I know of several alumni groups that make this their annual reunion where they rent out rooms in the local hotels & restaurants. That's probably the biggest reason they have the CHSAA race at all.

As for Pat's rant, I can understand your lack of sympathy, but I see it from the "other side of the fence" so to say, and can see his reasoning behind it.

[chewy]

you guys keep asking for the meet to be held at the armory. But one of the best features of Millrose is that its held at MSG. Sure the track isn't a good place for fast times, but who cares? Most local teams have at least 4+ races at the armory to put up a good time. I truly love the Millrose Games. I love that weekend in Feb. because you have the Millrose on Friday night and then you have the Superbowl on Sunday. Millrose is one of my favorite sporting events.

[cxntnxc]

To be honest I would say that it is more prestigious to be near the end of the meet close to the other headline events. I am sorry to hear that your runners are going to get a few hours less rest but come on. If you are going to complain about the event being moved to 10:25 you might as well complain about the date of Millrose. No runner should have to compete on less than 24 hours rest, but it is a level playing field seeing that all the CHSAA teams have to run at 10:25 and then the next morning.

BTW how many freshmen and sophomores are in your 4x8 at Millrose? I hope you are not getting mad because the kids from your team that are coming to watch are not going to be able to get to bed. My coaches have always told me to be a good runner you need to put competitions and training ahead of social functions. FYI there is a 10:56 train on the Babylon line so your spectators can watch the race and be home (if they live by me) before midnight.

I agree with your assessment 100%. What a tremendous honor for the CHSAA to be placed into prime time of the 101st Millrose Games. When I first saw that the CHSAA was running in that spot right after the Wanamaker Mile I was like WOW that is simply AWESOME.

CHAMINADE
KELLENBERG MEMORIAL
FORDHAM PREP
MONSIGNOR FARRELL
IONA PREP
ST. JOSEPH BY-THE-SEA

These 24 young men, their coaches (except for you I guess), their proud, proud parents, their friends, their teachers, the alums are going to get something that is priceless -- a life long memory!

Coach Slevin, I am shocked at your overall selfish rant in general but of your attack on one of the highlights of the year THE MILLROSE GAMES. If you hate the event so much give up your teams spot. I know that there are thousands of kids that would appreciate the opportunity afforded you and your team. Shame on you!

Long live THE MILLROSE GAMES!!!

PS -- All those Frosh & Sophs you speak about, they'd be up anyway.

[PSlevin]

As usual the Dyestat community has many good points to make.
I guess you guys are right.
I guess it was a bit selfish of me to bad mouth the
entire event.

It does take quite a bit of juggling on my end to
get all-administrators-
team-kids-parents-teachers-alumni-friends-
family-photographers-college coaches-etc etc
to all be in their seats (and happy!) when the
gun goes off for our race.
And everyone of them made a face of disbelief
when I told them that we'd be last on
the event schedule.

But the kids.......the kids who run for me
are just NUTS about this event.
It is all they ever talk about.
From the moment XC ends....every kid
who runs winter track for Chaminade
wants to run on a 4x800 relay at all
of our Armory meets because they want their
shot at running on The Millrose squad.
Ha! Ha! Guys who NEVER run the 800m....
they're begging me to get them on an "C" or "D"
4X8 at our early meets....so they can prove
that THEY should be on the team that runs
at the Garden!

I lost sight of that.

Thanks Dystaters for helping me see how
important it is for my kids.

So, I guess it was just my overall
frustration (with all of the "juggling")
that made me lash out
at the event.

Thanks to those who saw my point and
agreed....and thanks to those who pointed
out how childish I sounded.

I really appreciate your patience.

Not having enough $ for new uniforms or spikes
reminded me of my FIRST trip to
The Millrose Games.
I was coaching at Hempstead HS back in 1989
and my school was under an "austerity" budget
(no $!!) and I had to beg borrow and steal
to get my kids into meets and outfit them out
of my own pocket (including training shoes and spikes!).
My 4X400m relay team won the spot (the ONLY
spot) to represent Section 8 in the Suburban
4X400m relay. We'd beaten-out favored Uniondale
in a run-off several weeks before.
Up to that point Uniondale had represented
Section 8 for like 10 years in a row! And
Hempstead had dropped track until I was
hired as a teacher in the school.
When I convinced 6 kids to give track a try and
started shuttling them
around to meets in my car, I promised them
that we could do it....that we could make it to
Millrose.
Thankfully they ran well, and despite
my inexperience of being a young coach
(and a distance runner by trade)[and thanks to
alot of help "advice" from Paul Limmer]
.....we made it to The Millrose Games!
My kids were outta their
heads when they met
hurdler Greg Foster in the bowels of
the Garden. They were on cloud 9 (and so was I).
It was quite an evening.

Thanks to all who helped me remember that
memory.

I guess the fact that my squads
[at both St. Anthony's & now Chaminade]
have gone on (in the CHSAA 4X8) to
finish 2nd several times....that I (temporarily)
lost sight of just how prestigious and awsome it
is for the kids to compete at Millrose.

Thanks Dyestaters for waking me up.
I apologize to anyone who I might've
"insulted" by trivializing our participation
in this great event....especially if when I
did consider that many who read this may
NEVER have the chance to run in front
of so many in such a big event as Millrose.

Maybe going last on the schedule is good karma(?)
Maybe it'll be MORE exciting(?)
It'll probably be nice to have more time
to catch up with those who I ONLY see
on Millrose night(?)

Thanks to all of you for making me see
the light.

Hoping all of you enjoy the meet and
make an awful lot of noise when the
CHSAA 4x800 relays teams take the track.

Ha! Ha!.....now for the last time:
"I DON'T HAVE ANYMORE MILLROSE TICKETS!!!!!!!!"

[bigbadbob]

man if I or anybody I knew were going to milrose they or myself would not complain at all

[>>-XC-Runner->]

man if I or anybody I knew were going to milrose they or myself would not complain at all

QFE, my brother ran in the CHSAA 4x8 last year and although he and his team didn't run well, he said the experience of running in Millrose made up for the disappointment of a bad race.
Plus, if you are going to Millrose, running or not running, you pretty much have to stay for the Wanamaker Mile which is the second to last event,so you wouldn't want to leave early.

[BqUiCkssssss]

It is a great experiance.prob one of my greatest memories of HS track. On a side note do you know if it is possible to get the film from the meet from past milrose games

[outwork->outrun]

Boo-Hoo-Hoo,

So the poor catholic HS have to stay up late to run? That is sooooo sad.

I have kids on my team that don't have enough $$$ to buy racing spikes. Our uniforms are tattered and coaches work for almost free. And you are crying because you get to run in one of the most exciting events for a HS track athlete?

I have about had it with these catholic HS's. If you can't coach in a large private school, where the kids have $$$ and come from all over, you can't coach anywhere.

I am sick of comparing apples to oranges. Real relays teams are formed when the kids live within a few miles of each other. Not when they magically appear from all over Long Island.

Good Luck at Millrose, if you can stay awake that long.

excellent post. pslevin, why do you seem to think that you're so much more important than everyone else on here? you make some of the most obnoxious posts i've ever read on dyestat.


coach frazer - good luck tomorrow! VSN for the sweep in conference 6! (even though you're all herbs)

[mikemac]

Yeah, Mr B It is a double edged sword. Every runner in the CHSAA dreams of running on the worlds worse track just because of the prestige and the chance to run on the (178m?) very short MSG track. Also, they are in a way exploiting kids for the benefit of the sponsors so that they can make more money and make them race very late. Possibly, keep all the boosters, alumni, fans, and families there later and make it tougher for them to want to stay that late and if they do make them pay 7$ for a hot dog. Furthermore, with school and a meet the following day it makes life for a high school runner a little tougher.

However there are two points I would like to touch on one that I think Mr. Fulton touched on. It is more prestigious to run at the end of the meet near the markee events. I totally (being a CHSAA graduate myself) agree that the CHSAA 4 by 8 is one of the highlights of the meet besides obvious races such as the Wannamaker Mile etc etc. Moreover, runners and especially I'd venture to say 90% of the runners involved in the 4 by 8 have had experience with this late night madness from a race they've all been (assuming they are the top tier half milers) this being at Warwick when the first seeded 3200m relay does not go off until very late, (something like 10PM) Personally I remember myself getting home from Fast Times in Warwick at 130am in the morning and having school that morning.

Either way I can see both sides of the argument and I do tend to back the runners because thats who put people in the seats of the garden especially runners from the CHSAA due to the magnitude of the 4 by 8. I hate when giant coporations and sponsors forget about the kids and the very sport itself, however that is simply life.
Good luck Mr, B, Mr Fulton and all other coaches and runners involved.

(just my opinion)

[wineturtle]

As far as Joe Fan knows the 1st event is 6PM and the Elite starts at 7PM- It says so on the ticket!!
The Eastman Trophy relay was 6:10-to6-35ish into the '90s by '96 it was at 8:25,next couple of years it was 9:15 in '01 it went off at 8;45 '02 saw 7;20 '03 8;30 and last year 7:12. so the 6:30 slot does not seem to be anything special.
Granted it's a long day and many kids have travel time BUT it's The Millrose Games and in the espn2 live tv window ( 630is not). I'm not saying it gets shown but at least it's positioned to be on the live cast.

As one of the kid's who grew up dreaming of running Millrose 3 AM would be fine, who cares about the semi- southern regional freshman and short redheads meet the next morning

[mikemac]

[QUOTE=mjtrack;2337765]Boo-Hoo-Hoo,

So the poor catholic HS have to stay up late to run? That is sooooo sad.

I have kids on my team that don't have enough $$$ to buy racing spikes. Our uniforms are tattered and coaches work for almost free. And you are crying because you get to run in one of the most exciting events for a HS track athlete?

I have about had it with these catholic HS's. If you can't coach in a large private school, where the kids have $$$ and come from all over, you can't coach anywhere.

I am sick of comparing apples to oranges. Real relays teams are formed when the kids live within a few miles of each other. Not when they magically appear from all over Long Island.


I am one of those CHSAA kids who went to school in a different city than his. The reason being is that the public schools systems by me are probably one of the worst in the nation and the chances of getting shot are double the chances of me running track and/or graduating with a diploma. So what i did was work harder than any other kid in grammer school and earn a scholarship to a Catholic School (Iona Prep).

Even though I had a scholarship I STILL worked every other day after practice and once on the weekend after meets. My parents were very against me running track since they thought I should focus on school and working. But loving the sport and them seeing I loved it I somehow balanced both by a lot of hardwork and the busting of MY own ass.

I have extreme sympathy for you and your school and how these kids (By default and no wrong doings) just dont have the money for proper uniforms and racing spikes and such. However, if I remember correctly which I do I had to 45$ for my high school jersey and this is from an elite catholic school that you are badmouthing. Also, I, YES ME had to pay for MY racing flats and spikes and MY cross trainer and practice sneakers.

The moral of this rant is I despise everyone who badmouths the CHSAA that they just recruit runners from all areas of New York. Most of my friends who went to schools such as Fordham Prep and Iona Prep did so because they lived in urban areas (Yonkers, The Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn etc) and the school systems were horrible. So they took out loans, earned scholarships, and applied for financial aid and went to those high schools to get a better education and later during their high school life were recurited by the likes of coaches such as Mr. George Febles (FP) Mr. Jan Mitchell (IP)
Mr. Kevin Buckley (Kellenberg) and Coach PSlevin (Cham & St. Anthonys) who you attacked viciously. These kids then worked their asses off both on and off the track to graduate, keep their scholarship and grades high, and work to buy the tools needed to run.

[SoverIgn]

[QUOTE=outwork->outrun;2340603]excellent post. pslevin, why do you seem to think that you're so much more important than everyone else on here? you make some of the most obnoxious posts i've ever read on dyestat.

I LOVE IT, it's what I've been thinking every single time this guy posts. I'm glad others feel the same. And he always likes to claim how his athletes don't post on here, maybe he should follow his own advice.

[KevinM]

I'm CERTAINLY not going to jump into this ridiculous provincial sniping here, as I have only lived in the tri-state area for 7 of my 31 years. That said, I have attended 2 Millrose Games and probably 20 meets at the Armory and cannot BEGIN to comprehend why anyone would like to see a meet like Millrose moved to the Armory. I realize the history behind the Armory, the fact that it's a beautiful track, and that HS kids have amazing memories from the place, but for Joe spectator, it's HORRIBLE.

Even forgetting for a second the combined history of the various versions of MSG, you still have a facility where athletes almost every seat in the house gives you a view of all action. Every time I've attended a meet at the Armory, I've spent a good chunk of the time searching for seats not completely covered by warm-up gear, training kits, or Gatorade bottles. Heck, when I am able to find a seat that isn't in the middle of some team's camp, it's likely I won't be able to see about 40% of the action on the track due to the overhanging balcony (kinda like being in row 10 of the upper deck at Franklin Field).

As for the desire to see faster times -- If I were 15-18 again and had the option to either race in the "World's Most Famous Arena" in the world's most famous indoor meet, on a tight track that is part of the mystique of the event, in the last event of the night OR to race on a (faster) track that I had already run on a few times that season and that I would see a few more times later in the season, well, that's a no-brainer.

Anyone who thinks that a Millrose in the Armory would be better for the sport than one on 34th and 7th Ave has their head in the sand.

[g2g4gold]

I am racing a mile at 10PM(probably getting home around 12:30) and then waking up the next day to triple at our county championship meet.
I wouldn't have it any other way! BTW, I am really excited for the Catholic School 4x8. I think that its going to be extremely even the entire race and could come down to the last straight away(20yds).

[Big K]

Boo-Hoo-Hoo,

So the poor catholic HS have to stay up late to run? That is sooooo sad.

I have kids on my team that don't have enough $$$ to buy racing spikes. Our uniforms are tattered and coaches work for almost free. And you are crying because you get to run in one of the most exciting events for a HS track athlete?

I have about had it with these catholic HS's. If you can't coach in a large private school, where the kids have $$$ and come from all over, you can't coach anywhere.

I am sick of comparing apples to oranges. Real relays teams are formed when the kids live within a few miles of each other. Not when they magically appear from all over Long Island.

Good Luck at Millrose, if you can stay awake that long.

I agree with mikemac's post. I feel the CHSAA almost always gets dealt a bad hand. People are constantly saying things like the chsaa recruits, they're rich spolied boys, etc. Most of these posts are just ignorant statements. On the college team i run for me and the other two catholic high school alumi are not as financial well off as the other four kids from public schools. My parents couldn't afford to send my other two brothers to catholic school. The real reason my parents sent me was to get a catholic education. They wanted me to increase my faith. My parents definitely accomplished their goal, I go to mass every weekend at college and feel my faith plays a large roll in my life.

I know kids in my school who would work 40 hours a week just to pay for their education. I respect these kids more than the runners on your team and your just lumping them to this privileged category which is very unfair. I don't mean this as an attack on you personally because i think your a good person but there are many that are very opposed to the catholic school system. I also know of runners in my league who have parents working 2-3 jobs so their children can focus on a good education and can run too. These kids are just like those that run at your school, they run in the same clothes all the time, can barely afford spikes, and wear the same pair of trainers for thousands of miles. There are those that are privileged at catholic schools but you can find that at other schools too.

Also catholic school coaches definitely don't do it for the money. That is one thing i know for sure. Coach Toro told me he got paid 1/3 the amount he did at longwood when he was coaching at st. anthony's. There were also coaches that worked for free like my distance coach junior year and i attribute all of my success that season to him and he was one the main reasons i choose the college i did. People see st. anthony's come to meets and cant believe we have such a large coaching staff but dont realize half them are doing it for free or close to that.

Finally on to the meet itself which really wasnt addressed in this post. I agree with Slevin that it is bit unfair for the catholic school kids. My junior year i went to watch and i stayed just for the 4x800. I left at like 8:00 before the wannamaker mile and all the marquee events. I had my league meet two days after millrose and i'm a firm believer that good sleep two days before meets is a necessity. I would not have gone to the event if the catholic school 4x800 was at 10:35 and it is a shame that kids who feel the way i do cannot cheer on their team in this prestigious meet.

Best of luck to all those participating in the event itself and Slev no worries i took care of your runners when they were up here.

[g2g4gold]

what is the rule with headbands at millrose?
I kind of liked it and am considering making it(red head band) a regular thing(when allowed)....
jewelery?

[MontyXC1]

Just an aside to this idea that the Borderclash 4x800 is some rag-tag event as Slevin and some other posters on here have made it out to be... im pretty certain the teams entered in that 4x800 are just as fast, if not faster than the CHSAA 4x800 teams

NJ is reppin the fastest 4x800 i believe of the tri-state area and to be honest i think the winning time will be faster in the Borderclash than the CHSAA 4x800

NY: Somers 8:00.0, Shenendehowa 7:57, Warwick Valley 7:59.2
NJ: Morris Hills 7:56.1, Washington Township 7:55.4, Hunterdon Central 7:58.6

that field is as good if not better than the field of the CHSAA 4x800

with that being said, i think it is a great opportunity to be placed around such other prestigious running events as the HS Miles and the Wannamaker Mile, kind of shows more prestige in the event than a slap in the face...

[Evilution]

Boo-Hoo-Hoo,

So the poor catholic HS have to stay up late to run? That is sooooo sad.

I have kids on my team that don't have enough $$$ to buy racing spikes. Our uniforms are tattered and coaches work for almost free. And you are crying because you get to run in one of the most exciting events for a HS track athlete?

I have about had it with these catholic HS's. If you can't coach in a large private school, where the kids have $$$ and come from all over, you can't coach anywhere.

I am sick of comparing apples to oranges. Real relays teams are formed when the kids live within a few miles of each other. Not when they magically appear from all over Long Island.

Good Luck at Millrose, if you can stay awake that long.

quality post

[TrudyMoon]

Ignorant, narrow minded post:

Boo-Hoo-Hoo,

So the poor catholic HS have to stay up late to run? That is sooooo sad.

I have kids on my team that don't have enough $$$ to buy racing spikes. Our uniforms are tattered and coaches work for almost free. And you are crying because you get to run in one of the most exciting events for a HS track athlete?

I have about had it with these catholic HS's. If you can't coach in a large private school, where the kids have $$$ and come from all over, you can't coach anywhere.

I am sick of comparing apples to oranges. Real relays teams are formed when the kids live within a few miles of each other. Not when they magically appear from all over Long Island.

Good Luck at Millrose, if you can stay awake that long.

[backtoback]

Just an aside to this idea that the Borderclash 4x800 is some rag-tag event as Slevin and some other posters on here have made it out to be... im pretty certain the teams entered in that 4x800 are just as fast, if not faster than the CHSAA 4x800 teams

NJ is reppin the fastest 4x800 i believe of the tri-state area and to be honest i think the winning time will be faster in the Borderclash than the CHSAA 4x800

NY: Somers 8:00.0, Shenendehowa 7:57, Warwick Valley 7:59.2
NJ: Morris Hills 7:56.1, Washington Township 7:55.4, Hunterdon Central 7:58.6

that field is as good if not better than the field of the CHSAA 4x800

with that being said, i think it is a great opportunity to be placed around such other prestigious running events as the HS Miles and the Wannamaker Mile, kind of shows more prestige in the event than a slap in the face...

Where did Shen run 7:57? I thought they have an 8:01.x from Yale. Did I miss a race?

[MontyXC1]

Where did Shen run 7:57? I thought they have an 8:01.x from Yale. Did I miss a race?

i think i pulled that from last year by mistake...

either way the race is going to be very good

[backtoback]

i think i pulled that from last year by mistake...

either way the race is going to be very good


No dout it will be good. Shen is gettin Suriano back into form after being hurt during X-C.

[RKramden]

Well Said Timmy!!!

As for the haters, everyone is entitled to their opinion. The CHSAA coaches (especially those that teach in the system as well as coach) make FAR less than their PS associates. So be assured, they are doing it for the love of the sport. Also, I did not see any post that down-played the abilities of the teams competing in the Border Clash. The only thing negative thing said was that this new event took the spot of a long, established one. Honestly I think it's about time they bring in a more varied selection of athletes.

However, the typical whiners start right away calling the CHSAA pampered rich boys. As BigK said, there are plenty of kids whose parents are struggling to make ends meet in order to send them to these schools (I'm one of them).

[Kalaby]

However, the typical whiners start right away calling the CHSAA pampered rich boys. As BigK said, there are plenty of kids whose parents are struggling to make ends meet in order to send them to these schools (I'm one of them).

Amen - well said. This is starting to sound like another thread from a year or two ago that became pretty heated.

The anti-Catholic stereotypes are borderline comical at times.

My father was retired FDNY and then worked at the local post office - I went to Catholic H.S. - makes me a spoiled rich boy I guess in the eyes of some of these folks. Most kids I knew had similar backgrounds to that and some of the kids came from downright poor/tough neighborhoods in Queens.

There were waaaaaaaaaaay more rich kids in my public school (Herricks) on L.I. than there were at St. Francis Prep - but I won't let the facts get in the way of a good story some of these people want to throw at us.

To those bemoaning the "Almighty CHSAA", etc. - take a full inventory of all of its member schools and then start counting their standout track & field programs - you're probably not going to get beyond the 5 fingers on your first hand.

[cxntnxc]

Amen - well said. This is starting to sound like another thread from a year or two ago that became pretty heated.

The anti-Catholic stereotypes are borderline comical at times.

My father was retired FDNY and then worked at the local post office - I went to Catholic H.S. - makes me a spoiled rich boy I guess in the eyes of some of these folks. Most kids I knew had similar backgrounds to that and some of the kids came from downright poor/tough neighborhoods in Queens.

There were waaaaaaaaaaay more rich kids in my public school (Herricks) on L.I. than there were at St. Francis Prep - but I won't let the facts get in the way of a good story some of these people want to throw at us.

To those bemoaning the "Almighty CHSAA", etc. - take a full inventory of all of its member schools and then start counting their standout track & field programs - you're probably not going to get beyond the 5 fingers on your first hand.

In no particular order:

Fordham Prep
Monsignor Farrell
Iona Prep
Chaminade
St. Anthony's
Kellenberg Memorial

Three from the NY Section plus three from the Long Island Section. BQ is not what it once was, even though Archbishop Molloy did come alive last year in outdoor track.

A six fingered hand... YIKES

With that said.

How will the CHSAA 4x800 play out on Friday night in The Garden???

[I_Run_09]

In no particular order:

Fordham Prep
Monsignor Farrell
Iona Prep
Chaminade
St.Joes by the Sea?
Kellenberg Memorial

Three from the NY Section plus three from the Long Island Section. BQ is not what it once was, even though Archbishop Molloy did come alive last year in outdoor track.

A six fingered hand... YIKES

With that said.

How will the CHSAA 4x800 play out on Friday night in The Garden???

fixed.
and to answer the question..cham and kberg duke it out..fordham and farrell fight for 3rd...iona 5th and st joes 6th

[MontyXC1]

fixed.
and to answer the question..cham and kberg duke it out..fordham and farrell fight for 3rd...iona 5th and st joes 6th

he was actually counting the teams that have legit track programs in the CHSAA, not the teams racing in the 4x800 at millrose...

nice try though:rolleyes:

[wineturtle]

Looks like the ESPN2 live show is 7-8PM friday and will show the
W600
Girls HSMile
Sheppard 600
Wmile
plus m&w college 4x400s and a m coll 4x800 are available
The Sat show 3-4PM NBC will be edited, I dk/ns what they will show other than the Wanamaker and the flat races.

[I_Run_09]

he was actually counting the teams that have legit track programs in the CHSAA, not the teams racing in the 4x800 at millrose...

nice try though:rolleyes:

oops mi bad :p

[Kalaby]

In no particular order:

Fordham Prep
Monsignor Farrell
Iona Prep
Chaminade
St. Anthony's
Kellenberg Memorial

Three from the NY Section plus three from the Long Island Section. BQ is not what it once was, even though Archbishop Molloy did come alive last year in outdoor track.

A six fingered hand... YIKES

With that said.

How will the CHSAA 4x800 play out on Friday night in The Garden???


LOL - yeah I should've said "about 5 fingers" - though I think you'd agree that the point still stands that people stereotype based on no more than about half a dozen or so currently successful CHSAA programs out of a much bigger population of schools in the entire league.

[cxntnxc]

LOL - yeah I should've said "about 5 fingers" - though I think you'd agree that the point still stands that people stereotype based on no more than about half a dozen or so currently successful CHSAA programs out of a much bigger population of schools in the entire league.

Good point... I must add Mount St. Michael to the above list of top teams -- their 4x400 have been very good and under the leadership of Coach Lenny Diaz they had some very, very competitive teams. But I believe that recently Coach Diaz has since left The Mount.

The hand is getting crowded :cool: ...

[Kalaby]

Good point... I must add Mount St. Michael to the above list of top teams -- their 4x400 have been very good and under the leadership of Coach Lenny Diaz they had some very, very competitive teams. But I believe that recently Coach Diaz has since left The Mount.

The hand is getting crowded :cool: ...

I guess so - I must admit that I have a middle/long distance bias, so I tend to mainly concentrate on the schools that can pretty consistently field competitive XC teams as well as produce a pretty solid stable of runners on the track in the 800m -> 2 mile distances. There are definitely schools in the CHSAA that can perform well at shorter distances and possibly the field events, and that is completely legit as it is called track & field, but like I said, my comments are skewed a bit due to my middle/long distance running bias.

Not a big deal really.

[Intrested Observer]

I guess so - I must admit that I have a middle/long distance bias, so I tend to mainly concentrate on the schools that can pretty consistently field competitive XC teams as well as produce a pretty solid stable of runners on the track in the 800m -> 2 mile distances. There are definitely schools in the CHSAA that can perform well at shorter distances and possibly the field events, and that is completely legit as it is called track & field, but like I said, my comments are skewed a bit due to my middle/long distance running bias.

Not a big deal really.

With that in mind, let's add St. John The Baptist from West Islip in Suffolk County, which last year in the Nassau-Suffolk CHSAA League Champs beat Chaminade, St. Anthony's and Kellenberg for the the boys title. St. John The Baptist was also 2nd behind St. Anthony's, while beating Chaminade & Kellenberg in the spring version of this meet.

Just one person's observations.:cool:

[RKramden]

Horicon,

It'll be interesting to see the times from both the Clash & CHSAA 4X800. I'll admit my bias now and say that you might be selling the CHSAA short. Cham's qualifier 7:58 was early this month, I'm sure by now their time will be faster. Same goes for K'berg. A quality team with double trouble in the Elnick twins. Should be a great race. Hopefully I'll get to see it on ESPN (won't count on it however). I don;t think the times will be great on the Garden track (just based on the size & all) but at least it'll give us a fair comparison. In any case, best of luck to everyone racing!!

[i am amazing]

suriano hasnt run close to the times that he was running last year since i assume ur including him as one of the 1 54 or 155 guys...idk but chaminade and kellenberg have the #1 and #3 time in the state...with chaminade being us#4 as well as defending state champs...i think it would have been interesting if they had let catholic schools be part of the clash..that would be a great race to see

[cxntnxc]

Looks like there has been a slight but significant change in the Millrose Games Time Schedule:

10:05 PM - Boys’ HS Mile
10:08 PM - Boys' Catholic HS 4x800m
10:20 PM - The Wanamaker Mile

That actually makes much more sense and makes the CHSAA 4x800 even more prominent! What do you think Coach Slevin?

And a friendly word to our friend Horicon Ave -- who by the way I will surmise is a Section 2 guy. The Border Clash is a GREAT NEW event and those are wonderful programs that have produced great times in the past and will continue to do so in the future but so are all of the CHSAA 4x800 teams (with the exception of St. Joseph by-the-Sea which is new to the mix and I am sure will prove themselves worthy).

As an additional note all 12 of these teams have the potential to do some very good these outdoors as they have all run 8:10 or better in January -- which is nice running.

Good luck to all tomorrow night at THE GARDEN!

[cxntnxc]

Hahaha... starting the CHSAA 4x8 during the last few laps of the Boys HS Mile will indeed make it prominent! ;)

I'll take combined times of Shen and Warwick over the combined 1-2 in the CHSAA race. Anybody in?

all in...

just let me know where to come to collect.:cool:

[MontyXC1]

Dylan are you going to be at the Millrose games tomorrow night?

anyone else going to be there? a strong contingent from my school will be there coming from a meet of our own at the Armory...

look for the red foxes...youll see me

[RKramden]

Nice catch of that miscue Horicon!! I'll take that action, I think you're selling the CHSAA way short. Don't forget, both the top teams have been here before (the Games), so the jitters shouldn't affect them the way they may affect the schools in the "Border Clash". Either way, it's great for the HS athletes to get this kind of exposure.

[backtoback]

Nice catch of that miscue Horicon!! I'll take that action, I think you're selling the CHSAA way short. Don't forget, both the top teams have been here before (the Games), so the jitters shouldn't affect them the way they may affect the schools in the "Border Clash". Either way, it's great for the HS athletes to get this kind of exposure.

You do have 2 NTN teams though in Border Clash and guys who have been on the big stage before as well. Anyway, this should not be a battle between the 2 races; instead lets celebrate all the accomplishments and honor they have of competing in the Games.
cxntnxc, no love?

[cxntnxc]

You do have 2 NTN teams though in Border Clash and guys who have been on the big stage before as well. Anyway, this should not be a battle between the 2 races; instead lets celebrate all the accomplishments and honor they have of competing in the Games.
cxntnxc, no love?

Coach Potter

All love 24/7 especially to THE WAVE.

Competition for lack of a better word... is good.

:D

[Machine]

http://ny.milesplit.us/articles/16673

[backtoback]

Warwick is bad now...
I hope Shen has no trouble getting down.
http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/USNY0289?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared

[cxntnxc]

Warwick is bad now...
I hope Shen has no trouble getting down.
http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/USNY0289?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared

Yes, first and foremost a safe trip to all going to The Garden tonight!

Then, have a great race and a wonderful and memorable time.

Here is to success to all. :)

[Btrain22]

Shen is supposed to be leaving at 1:15pm or so, and it began snowing hard around 10:30am. hopefully the roads on the way down are ok for the next few hours.

[RKramden]

1 Warwick Valley 8:03.13
2 Shenendehowa 8:03.89
3 Morris Hills 8:04.84
4 Washington Township 8:06.15
5 Somers 8:09.92
6 Hunterdon Central 8:10.61

[Intrested Observer]

1 Warwick Valley 8:03.13
2 Shenendehowa 8:03.89
3 Morris Hills 8:04.84
4 Washington Township 8:06.15
5 Somers 8:09.92
6 Hunterdon Central 8:10.61

Hey Ralph:

Could you share with us, if you know, the results of the first few events, namely

1. Girls Suburban 4x400 Relay

2. Boys Suburban 4x400 Relay

3. Catholic HS Girls 4x400 Relay

4. Girls HS Mile

Thanks.


Just one person's observations.:cool:

[nyrunner09]

jillian smith won the girls hs mile in 4:50.xx

[PXC Wolfpack]

They are doing pretty well in terms of posting results, they can be found at the millrose website

http://www.millrose-games.com/2008/events/

[SoverIgn]

Congrats to Kellenberg, clearly showing they are the cream of the crop!!! (at least for this night). Winning Millrose is quite the honor and I wish nothing but the best to Buckley's team. It was well deserved.

[PXC Wolfpack]

Merber Takes the mile

Event 35 Boys 1 Mile Run High School
================================================== ==============
Name Year Team Finals
================================================== ==============
Finals
1 Kyle Merber Half Hallow 4:13.86 1500m 3:57.8
2 Bobby Andrews Manalapan 4:14.60
3 Charles White Cherry Creek 4:15.01
4 Doug Smith Gill-St. Bernard's 4:15.76
5 Willie Ahearn Danbury 4:16.31
6 Peter Dorrell Blacksburg 4:17.82
7 Vince McNally Conestoga Valley 4:19.69
8 Nick Crits Wissahickon 4:23.59
9 Parker Boudreau Danbury 4:27.23

[Intrested Observer]

Merber Takes the mile

Event 35 Boys 1 Mile Run High School
================================================== ==============
Name Year Team Finals
================================================== ==============
Finals
1 Kyle Merber Half Hallow 4:13.86 1500m 3:57.8
2 Bobby Andrews Manalapan 4:14.60
3 Charles White Cherry Creek 4:15.01
4 Doug Smith Gill-St. Bernard's 4:15.76
5 Willie Ahearn Danbury 4:16.31
6 Peter Dorrell Blacksburg 4:17.82
7 Vince McNally Conestoga Valley 4:19.69
8 Nick Crits Wissahickon 4:23.59
9 Parker Boudreau Danbury 4:27.23

Congratulations to Da Kid from Da Hills, who is now Da Man from Da Hills! Well done Kyle.

Just one person's observations.:cool:

[thor!]

Congrats to Kellenberg, clearly showing they are the cream of the crop!!! (at least for this night). Winning Millrose is quite the honor and I wish nothing but the best to Buckley's team. It was well deserved.

Who was their anchor? I think I got a 1:59 split but he seemed like he was going so much faster than that.

[xcrunner191]

Kellenberg Splits:
M.Cook- 2:04
M. Elnick-1:58
G. Moss- 2:00
T. Elnick-1:59

[backtoback]

... and it's Horicon, by a nose!! :cool: 16:07 to 16:08

Kellenberg was impressive, very solid throughout. I had their anchor (one of the Elnicks) in just under 2:00. Looked like Chaminade put their fastest guy on the 2nd leg, had him in 1:58-high.

In the border clash, Warwick made hay on the 3rd leg (think it was Prial), opened up too much of a gap for Jones of Shen to cover. He got close, but Warwick's anchor saved something for the last lap.

Shen's splits:
2:04.1
1:58.8 (Suriano, last to first)
2:03.7
1:56.9

Dominating move by Merber with 2 laps to go FTW in the boys mile. Yeah!

It was Ackerman. Prial is not 800m guy and not on that relay

[cxntnxc]

Event 36 Boys 4x800 Meter Relay CHSAA
================================================== =============
Team Finals
================================================== =============
Finals
1 Kellenberg Memorial 8:02.29
2 Chaminade 8:06.29
3 Fordham 8:06.95
4 Monsignor Farrell 8:18.71
5 Iona Prep 8:22.48
6 St. Joseph by the Sea 8:22.61


Event 14 Boys 4x800 Meter Relay Border Clash
================================================== =============
Team Finals
================================================== =============
Finals
1 Warwick Valley 8:03.13
2 Shenendehowa 8:03.89
3 Morris Hills 8:04.84
4 Washington Township 8:06.15
5 Somers 8:09.92
6 Hunterdon Central 8:10.61