Help with 200m

[Sprints07]

Ok when I run the 200m I smoked everyone off the corner including our 3a state champ, But I just cant get the 2nd 100m down... I run 11.1 on my hundred but cant break 23.00 on the 200m... I dont get tired or anything but It really pisses me off cuz all the coaches say I could easy run a 22 flat with my speed, mostly because the way I run my corner. Id really like to get it down so i can go to state next year. Ive been lifting like crazy, I weigh 160 and when i bench i work out with 160 to start, 3 sets 6 reps. elevated push ups, squats work out with 200( my max is 300 1 time but it hurts my back) I do a lot of curls also. Id really like some advice, itd be much appreciated on lifting or just workouts or something I am missing techniquely. Thanks.

[dellyJ800]

As much as you may not want to do it, run some 400s at meets that aren't as important. It will really help your strength. If you have a lot of dual meets, try to run open 4, open 2, and 4 by 4 at as many as you can.

[Sprints07]

I usually run 100, 200, 400, 4x400. Did that almost every meet. I love the 400m lol..

[remiks]

Maybe you're tying up the last 100m of the race a bit. Try relaxing and concentrating on holding good form and posture; and getting your knees up when you start to feel like you're form is waning.

[elcaballo]

Whats your 400 PR?

[adidas400]

maybe run the curve a little easier and ull be better the 2nd 100

[Sprints07]

Whats your 400 PR?

52.8 handheld or 53.1 for the 400 is my pr

[SUPERSPEED]

Ok when I run the 200m I smoked everyone off the corner including our 3a state champ, But I just cant get the 2nd 100m down... I run 11.1 on my hundred but cant break 23.00 on the 200m... I dont get tired or anything but It really pisses me off cuz all the coaches say I could easy run a 22 flat with my speed, mostly because the way I run my corner. Id really like to get it down so i can go to state next year. Ive been lifting like crazy, I weigh 160 and when i bench i work out with 160 to start, 3 sets 6 reps. elevated push ups, squats work out with 200( my max is 300 1 time but it hurts my back) I do a lot of curls also. Id really like some advice, itd be much appreciated on lifting or just workouts or something I am missing techniquely. Thanks.

How is your technique the last 100 meters? Make sure your arms are pumping. Try doing some speed endurance in workouts like all out 150's or 250's with full recovery, it will get you used to race conditions.

[Speed-driven]

if your getting smoked on the straight away..problem probably is..your lacking the endurance. Your opponents probably smoke you becuz they have speed and endurance. Or it could just be the fact your slow in the 200m. It could be a mental block. Or you arent loose enough, and when someone passes u you try to hard and stiff up your muscles. I would just get more used to running open 200m. Or just try something else.

[Speed-driven]

also. I run a 24.1 200m.. and i do a all out sprint. Basically means I'm just too slow for the 200m. Doesnt mean you dont have the form, or the technique. It just means I need more speed. but when it comes to 400m i run 54.3. So compared to your times. You should have a lower 400m by about .3. being that your 200m is way faster than mine..mayb u should consider the 400m..instead of a concentrated 200m. my friends who were running
22.8 200m..had 400m times of avg 51...think bout it

[dellyJ800]

Your 400 PRs are relatively slow for a guy with 11.1 speed. Just do some more strength training, hills are a good start.

[Sprints07]

I think I do have a problem being tight and I just don't realize it. in the 100 I dont have that problem thats prolly why Iam good at it. The 400 is kinda slow cuz this year is the first year I really ran it all season and trained for it. I run a 35 seconds at 300m, but I blow on the last 100... I think i have technical problems.. I think not relaxing and not bringing my legs up where they should be is what my problem is. Iam really working on it in the off season cuz all I do is track. Sooo Iam hoping for a nice improvement by next year. Thank you all for some advice, I appreciate it. Ill consider everything you all have said.

[Ecliptica]

Yeah, that's strange to have a 300 that fast but a 200 and 400 that slow. Every other 35 second 300 runner I know runs in the 21s for the 200 or at the worst, very low 22s.

[Fanya]

Yeah, that's strange to have a 300 that fast but a 200 and 400 that slow. Every other 35 second 300 runner I know runs in the 21s for the 200 or at the worst, very low 22s.

There's a sophomore in my state who runs (I think) 35.9 and 22.52. Then again, the 35.9 was at Indoor NEs and the 22.5 was against VT comp (none). I believe his 400 is 50.04.

[In_The_Shadows]

Wow, with how fast your 300 is, you must have endurance problems. I run about 37 at the 300 and my PR is 50.4. (And i'm not exactly what you'd call a "strength" guy)

I would recommend hills early in the season and as someone else already suggested, 250's will help you tons as long as you don't slack off during workouts.

[JSC.Rnr]

Part of your problem is that you have a low strength:weight ratio in your legs. You aren't able to squat even twice your own body weight; three times your body weight is considered good for a sprinter.

Ask thefattys or Bison Hurdler for more info on it, I don't have much time to post right now.

[BlackMXCat]

Alright, I had the exact same problem that you did with the 200. I went out for track my soph. year and quickly became the anchor of the 4x1 4x2 and 4x4. At the start of my junior season my coach started putting me in just open 200s and I would dominate the first half then fade at the end. What my coach did was put me in 800s and I ended up anchoring our 4x800 at State and being on a National Qualifying 4x800 relay team. But towards the middle of summer my coach put me in some short sprints for the first time in several months and the results were amazing. I went from a 11.3 100 to a 10.7 FAT and 23.1 200 to a 22.01 FAT and for the 400 went from 54.0 to 50.7 FAT. Something to think about it sounds crazy but it worked for me.

[SUPERSPEED]

Sprints07

What is your race strategy in the 400 Meters? Inform and maybe i can critique.

[JSC.Rnr]

In addition to my earlier post:

A low strength to weight ratio means a shorter stride, which is more advantageous when running the curve due to the decreased amount of lateral compensation required. This shorter stride will hurt you down the straightaway when everyone starts to open up more.

In essence: you have a shorter stride, which means that with each stride you can match the curve better. Think of it like tracing a circle using straight lines...many very short lines will let you better match the circle than if you were trying to use few very long lines.

I realize that MJ used a shorter, choppier stride, so don't use that as evidence to the contrary. MJ had an incredible strength ratio that allowed him to power through the curve and yet have a relatively long stride down the home stretch (he split 10.12/9.20 on his record run, so obviously he ran the straight very well).

[Sprints07]

Sprints07

What is your race strategy in the 400 Meters? Inform and maybe i can critique.

My strategy is blast the first 100 as hard as possible, stride 50 with a really good pace and build up then accelerate through the 200 start area and give all I have left at that point. As stated before this was my first year that i trained for the 400. I ran my 53 flat completly outta shape. in summer track, I was in 100, 200 shape in summer not 400. I think my 400 time will go down this coming track season, I PR'd every time I ran it this summer outta shape sooo yeah.. lol

Also to JSC.Rnr I have long strides and good leg lift *usually* the 200 is the only event where my lift struggles in the last 55 meters.

This off season Iam prolly gonna run a lot of 800's and hills due to I think i need some of that endurence, Ive already got my bench up to 185 and I can squat 300 lbs 3 times and I weigh 155-160 and Iam 6'2". I could squat that much since my freshmen year but Ive been working on bench as my upper body struggles on the 400.

And my 300 time is really about a 35.3ish, i think i try to hard in the open 400 is why I cant run the last hundred in at least 15 seconds.

I really do appreciate all the help, keep it coming if you could, I still need a lot lol

[SUPERSPEED]

If you run 35.3, you at least can run 50 point in the 400. In the 400 I would try going out about 1.5 to 2.0seconds slower for the first 200 then your best open 200 time, try it out and see how it works for you. As far as strategy i think yours is a good one, but for the first 100 i would not go as fast as possible first 100. Get out hard and find a good rythym try to maintain that to the 200 meter mark. For the last 200 meters really drive your arms and knees and i think you'll hit a really good time.

[Ecliptica]

I still don't get how the 200 fits in.

11.1 - 23.0 - 35.3

That means you're keeping a consistent pace over 300m that you have in the 200 - meaning you're probably going through your 200 in about 22.5ish at the slowest. Then for the last 100m in the 400 it's about 18 seconds or so. I dunno what to tell ya, man.

[Speed-driven]

I don't see why you dont go an all out sprint on your 200m..I full out sprint my 300m..so i think most runners can full on sprint their 200m. except for mayb the first 20m of the 200. due to the fact your starting to build up to maximum speed. u probably lose in the out coming of the turn becuz ur decreasing ur speed, while other people are increasing it. there is a technique to build ur speed to a point, and sling shot yourself out of the corner, using ur momentum to burst u in the straight away...just practice..

[remiks]

My strategy is blast the first 100 as hard as possible, stride 50 with a really good pace and build up then accelerate through the 200 start area and give all I have left at that point.

Because of the fact that after around 60 meters of an all out sprint you begin to decellerate, your pace gradually decreases as you go through the entire race if you run the first 100 all out (resulting in a bad last 100.) Get out hard for the first 50 meters, and maintain speed (never slow down in the 400, you're losing speed you wont be able to get back.) At the 200 Mark, begin to regain more of a sprint, and at 150 you should start your drive to the finish. In the last 100, don't try to kick it into a gear you dont have. Instead, try to maintain your form by concentrating on one particular aspect of your form (IE: getting your knees up; driving arms) so that you stay focused on your goal. Keep your head straight, eyes on the finish line, and as hard as it may be, try not to grimace (keep your muscles relaxed.) If you can keep good form, you will run a good race.

Along with benching and squatting, do a lot of ab-work. The more stable your core is, the more apt you'll be to sprint well.

[SUPERSPEED]

As a said before off your 300 time a good 400 time is very capable. I think for you its about strategey and if you execute the right strategy in the 400 you will run a good time.

[Sully 800]

Sophomore Prs
11.1 100m FAT
23.00 200m FAT
53.1 400m FAT


I'm sorry but do you know what FAT is? because I doubt these are right then, and if they are they are reported incorrectly.

I agree with Ecliptica- your PR's just don't make sense, which leads me to believe your 300 is probably incorrect. Have you gotten near 35.3 multiple times or was it just that once? If you are positive this was an accurate time I would suggest putting THAT in your signature because it is much better than your 200 or 400.

100: 11.1 = 44.4 pace
200: 23.00 = 46 pace
300: 35.3 = 47.07 pace
400: PR = 53.1

I don't think I've ever seen someone with so little slow down between 200 and 300, and then such a dramatic slow down to 400...especially because the 300 isn't run very often, so I doubt you had a lot of attempts at it. Even considering that you were new to the 400, this doesn't make sense.

[Sprints07]

Yes I know what fat is, I asked for help not insults. i didnt say you had to believe my PR's cuz I honestly dont care what anyone thinks of them, they're numbers, and Iam not known to lie. Also please tell me one person that runs an 11.1 100m open that can run a 44.4. or someone who runs a 23 flat open 200 that can run a 46.... For some of the crap you said you should be the one getting insulted.

I dont appreciate your attitude, and Iam guessing your not even a sprinters so you can just shut your mouth.

[Sully 800]

I'm not trying to insult you, just trying to figure out how to help you. FAT times are accurate to the hundredth of a second, so why would you not report them as such? If all 3 of your times did happen to work out to an even 10th of a second, you should write 53.10 for example...because then it does appear to be FAT. Some people have confused FAT with meaning it is an open time, not a split from a relay, which would be good reasoning of why you reported times to the 10th of a second (except for the 200). Once again, I'm not trying to offend you, so if this isn't the case I'm sorry.

I wasn't saying that an 11.1 runner can run 44.4, I was just showing hwo your pace decreased between the distances.

Once again, why don't you list the 300 time as a PR? because it is indeed much better than the times you listed.

Anyway, the problem is that your 300 time shows you have incredible strength because you slowed down very little from your 200. Therefore you would need to work on your speed to improve the 200.

However, your 400 time is then a significant slow down which contradicts the above statement about needing speed. Your 400 time indicates that you slowed down too much and that building your strength would help.

I'm sorry for doubting the vertibility of your 300m performance, but the fact that you don't list it as a PR, and that 300's aren't run very often leads me to believe it COULD be inaccurate. This would also make sense since it is not in line with your other PR's. You also didn't answer my question about whether you ran any other 300's similar to 35, because if you did I will believe that time. However no one has been able to give you accurate advice of what you need to work on because your PR's are all skewed. Everything I said in the previous post was meant to answer some questions I had so I could help give you advice. I was not trying to insult you.

[Sprints07]

yeah, sorry about that. I just took it the wrong way. My 200 time is around 23 flat i ran 23.09, 23.1 and another time right around the first so i put 23 flat down as my pr, i rounded off some of my times, My 100m is actually an 11.18 and the 400 is 53.13.

I ran 300's a lot in practice, and when we first got our FAT timing system at school they had our sprinters runa 300 and I infact did run a 35.3. I also ran a 35.5, a 35.6, and I rounded them off as to I dont remember the hundreth of a second on them. In practice this summer I ran a 35 flat handheld which would also be about a 35.3-35.4. For some reason I can keep my speed up for a full 300 but after that I seem to fade, and on a 200 I fade after the first 100... I think its something to do with slingshotting off that last corner, or me missing something technically off the corner and the first 20 meters off of it, cuz towards the end I always seem to catch up a little in the last 30 or so.

I think I have some wierd kind of endurance. My times have always been super wierd even since middle school I ran a 12.3 in M.S. and a 23.9.. My times have fluxuated so much its rediculous. Id really like to fix them to where I could make it to state as to I have beaten state champs for 110-120 meters on a 200 then fade then come back a lil at the very end. I think I may have a mental block. I just dont know. I have ran down a state champion in a 4x100 anchor and beat him by 5 meters, thus making myself and others believe iam very 10.7 capable in the 100 and 21.9ish in the 200. College coaches have even told me they want me due to my enormous potential. I had a d2 coach talk to me my freshmen year about running the 100m when I get older. id really like to get out of this awkward stage and get to where I know I can be. And sorry for me being hot headed towards you sully, I just get really frustrated with my times. I apologize

[Sully 800]

and sorry once again for acting like I was looking down on you in some way. But if everything is right, my only suggestion for your 200 is to run the first 50 exactly the same and then relax a little more the next 50. If you are winning after the first 100 and then fading in the next the only indication is that you are running too hard around the bend, and tightening up in the straight away. Once you're about halfway through the turn think about it like you are running a 300 so you don't strain too hard. However, once you hit the final straight concentrate on driving your knees up but keeping your arms slightly loose. One thing that may help is to pretend you are running on hot coals in the last 50m or so. I've seen people try that and maintain the same stride but keep their turn over moving like they did in the beginning of the race. This is mostly just advice from watching other people and the problems I've seen them encounter in 200's. I've raced very few in my life, but I've done quite a few 400's so I at least know what it's like to tighten up badly in the middle of a sprint.

[holydiver]

to do better in the 200m, train with the 400m guys. im an 11.3 guy who was running around 23.5 in the open 200m. then i decided to try the 400m and got a spot on our relay that went 3:18. but i only trained with the 400m guys for 3 weeks and my 200m pr went from 23.5 to a 22.97 in that time. the guy i trained with for sprints sounds about like you. he is a 11.14 guy who only went around 22.8 in the 200 but then he practiced with the 400m guys to and went 22.18 and placed at state. try to do training where you have to maintain top speed for a long time and you wont tie up in the last 50m's.

[Speed-driven]

hey u guys ever heard of 400m Jeremy Wariner..? he runs a 21sec first 200m..and a 21~22sec finishing 200m..so uh..yeah u can run a 23 sec first 200m..and under 46..booyah..! and im sure if he wanted too he could run a 11.1 first 100m..and still run a 43

[In_The_Shadows]

hey u guys ever heard of 400m Jeremy Wariner..? he runs a 21sec first 200m..and a 21~22sec finishing 200m..so uh..yeah u can run a 23 sec first 200m..and under 46..booyah..! and im sure if he wanted too he could run a 11.1 first 100m..and still run a 43


Way to be a ****. They were talking about someone with PRs of 11.1 and 23.0, not an elite runner who could coast through in thsoe times and then take off again.

[Speed-driven]

eh..in high school jeremy ran 45's and 46's..so eh..lol he still is an example for a HS runner.

[remiks]

eh..in high school jeremy ran 45's and 46's..so eh..lol he still is an example for a HS runner.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt that he had a 1 second differential in his 200m splits in high school. Not to mention you were suggesting someone should go out in his 200m PR and come back only a second slower. Jeremy's 200m PR in high school was a 20.4x, wind aided. I bet he went out in 22 low or 21 high, and came back in 23 or 24, I'm not sure though.

[Sprints07]

I know for a fact he never broke 46 till pan ams his senior year, and excuse everyone thats not a fuggin phenom. He also ran a 20.48 his senior year of high school.

And this isnt a jeremy wariner thread shut up and take it somewhere else.
And its about impossible to run 2 exactly the same 200 splits in a 400.

But yes if you dont offer advice go somewhere else, you know like a JEREMY WARINER THREAD. K BYE

[SUPERSPEED]

If I remember correctly Jeremy Wariner ran 45.57 before Pan ams his senior year, and also went 45.85 at the Golden West losing to Kelli Willie who ran 45.52. His 20.41 was wind aided, not sure of his best legal 200 in HS.

[Sprints07]

Let me rephrase that, This is NOT A Jeremy Wariner Thread.

[SUPERSPEED]

Yo i'll talk about Jeremy Wariner when i want, i dont care if it's a wariner thread or not, i was correcting you on what you wrote about him.

[Sprints07]

And here, let me correct YOU, because you in fact, are WRONG

2005: World Outdoor 400m (43.93) champion...World Outdoor 4X400m relay gold medalist (2:56.91)...1st in 400m at USA Outdoor Champs (44.20)...1st in 400m at adidas Track Classic (44.53)...1st in round 1 in Lausanne (44.96)...2nd at Waco, Tex. (45.13).
2004: Olympic 400m gold medalist (44.00PR, fastest in the world in 2004)...Olympic 4x400m relay gold medalist (3rd leg in 43.98 - 2:55.91)...Olympic Trials champion (44.37)…NCAA Indoor champion (45.39)…NCAA Outdoor Champion (44.71)…NCAA Indoor 4x400m relay champion (3:03.96)…NCAA Outdoor 4x400m relay champion (3:01.03)…ranked #1 in the world by T&FN…best of 44.00PR.
2003: U.S. Junior 400m champion (46.41)…2nd at Pan Am Junior Champs (45.63)…7th at NCAA Indoors 400 (46.21)…2nd at Big 12 Indoors (46.33)…3rd at Big 12 Outdoors (46.59)…best of 45.13
2002: 4th at USA Junior Championships (46.10)…2nd at Golden West Invitational…best of 46.10.

heres some more


Biography: Jeremy WARINER (USA)


Sex Weight Height Date of birth Place of birth

M 67 1.88 31 01 1984 Irving, TX (USA)



Information

NCAA Indoor Championships: 2004 (1st, 400m) NCAA Championships: 2004 (1st, 400m) US Olympic Team Trials: 2004 (1st, 400m) National Championships: 2005 (1st, 400m)

PERSONAL BEST

Performance Wind Place Date
200 Metres 20.41 Lubbock, TX 27 04 2002

400 Metres 43.93 Helsinki 12 08 2005


SEASON BEST

Performance Wind Place Date
400 Metres 43.93 Helsinki 12 08 2005


PROGRESSION

Season Performance Wind Place Date
200 Metres
2004 20.59 1 Houston, TX 30 06 2004

2003 20.78 1.4 Austin, TX 03 05 2003

2002 20.41 Lubbock, TX 27 04 2002
400 Metres
2004 44.00 Athína 23 08 2004

2003 45.13 Tempe, AZ 12 04 2003

2002 45.57 Lubbock, TX 27 04 2002

HONOURS

Rank Performance Wind Place Date
400 Metres

10th IAAF World Championships in Athletics 1 f 43.93 Helsinki 12 08 2005

28th Olympic Games 1 f 44.00 Athína 23 08 2004




You stand corrected. 2002 is his senior year.
Now, theres nothing left for you to make accusations at. Go to a different thread.

[SUPERSPEED]

NO my friend, you are WRONG And so is your sources!

45.57 MR Wariner, Jeremy, 2002, Lamar Arl TX 1 4/27/2002, 5A Reg 1 Lubbock TX

Go check the archives on Dyestat in 2002, and look up the Dyestat elite board and you will clearly see the above, that Wariner did indeed run 45.57 in April. He was second to willie at Golden West in 45.85, your source is CLEARLY WRONG!!

You stand corrected. 2002 is his senior year.
Now, theres nothing left for you to make accusations at. Go to a different thread. :D

[Sprints07]

Ok, go to Usatf, or iaaf.org, I promise that dyestat made a mistake.

Event 104 Men 400 Meter Dash
================================================== ==============
World Junior: W 43.87 1988 Steve Lewis (USA)
American Jr.: A 43.87 1988 Steve Lewis
Meet: M 45.01 1995 Jerome Young
WJr Qual.: ! 48.00
Name Year Team Finals
================================================== ==============
Finals
1 Darold Williamson Baylor 45.54!
2 Jonathan Fortenberry So. Carolina 45.99!
3 Ashton Collins NO Rdrunners 46.08!
4 Jeremy Wariner Arl Lamar HS 46.10!
5 Benjamin Henderson E. Carolina 46.35!
6 Ernest Terrell Penn State 46.62!
7 Domonick Richmond E. Carolina 46.72!
8 John Kelley Nebraska 47.09!
9 Brian Ford Georgia Tech 47.47

[SUPERSPEED]

No, i believe Dyestat is correct and USATF and iaaf.org and you are wrong. I clearly remember the Golden West that year because both Willie and Wariner broke 46.0 before hand and everyone knew it would be a great race. Wariner had the inside on Willie, but was not able to catch him losing 45.52 to 45.85.
And here's another source, Jack Shepards yearly list.

45.52 .............. Kelly Willie (Sterling, Houston)
45.57 ......... Jeremy Wariner (Lamar, Arlington, Tx)
45.95 ........... Ashton Collins (Clark, New Orleans)
46.34 ........ Ray Williams (SP-F, Scotch Plains, NJ)
46.56 ................... Ryan Shields (Leo, Chicago)
................... Jamaal Torrance (Evans, Orlando)
46.58 ............ *Arthur Davis (Williamson, Mobile)
46.63 ........ *Reggie Witherspoon (Wh, Marietta, Ga)
46.90 ........ **Xavier Carter (P Bay, Melbourne, Fl)
46.92 ........ *Domenik Peterson (Jefferson City, Mo)
................... *Siraj Williams (Cedar Hill, Tx)

As you can see it has Wariner at 45.57!

[SUPERSPEED]

And here is the 2002 Golden West 400 Meter Results...

Boys 400 Meter Run
================================================== ==============
Name Year School Finals
================================================== ==============
1 Willie, Kelly Sterling HS 45.52
2 Wariner, Jeremy Lamar HS 45.85
3 Neville, David Merriville H 46.98
4 Kent, Jordan Churchill 47.39
5 Bowens, Quentin Heritage HS 47.79
6 Kidd, Latrell Elk Grove HS 48.04
7 Anderson, Travis Westminster 48.28
8 Roberson, Troy Tennant HS 49.31

And in your own post it has his progression
PROGRESSION

Season Performance Wind Place Date
200 Metres
2004 20.59 1 Houston, TX 30 06 2004

2003 20.78 1.4 Austin, TX 03 05 2003

2002 20.41 Lubbock, TX 27 04 2002
400 Metres
2004 44.00 Athína 23 08 2004

2003 45.13 Tempe, AZ 12 04 2003

2002 45.57 Lubbock, TX 27 04 2002- RIGHT HERE SEE!!!!

[Speed-driven]

If you CHECK THE BALOR WEBSITE..THE PROFILE

clearly states that in his HS career he ran a 45 sec 400m..

http://baylorbears.collegesports.com/sports/c-track/mtt/wariner_jeremy00.html

THIS IS WHAT THE COLLEGE HE RAN AT SAYS

THERE IS NO WAY THIS COULD BE WRONG..UNLESS THEY LIED ABOUT HIS TIMES

High School: Lettered in track and football at Lamar High School in Arlington, Texas...Set school records in the 200, 400 and 4x100 relay...Holds the regional records in the 200 and 400...Won state titles in those two events...Clocked the nation's top prep time of 20.41 in the 200...Recorded a 45.57 in the 400, which was the nation's second-fastest time...Member of USA World Junior Team in 2002...Three-time junior All-American in the 400.

[JSC.Rnr]

Congratulations, you have managed to bitch and rant for a page without proving anything useful. This is a new record for DyeStat.

Whether or not Wariner ran 45.xx or 42.9 or 53.5 or 68.9 is irrelevant. The point still stands that it's impossible to run anywhere near your potential while even splitting. Good, you accept it.

[remiks]

I know for a fact he never broke 46 till pan ams his senior year, and excuse everyone thats not a fuggin phenom. He also ran a 20.48 his senior year of high school.

And this isnt a jeremy wariner thread shut up and take it somewhere else.
And its about impossible to run 2 exactly the same 200 splits in a 400.

But yes if you dont offer advice go somewhere else, you know like a JEREMY WARINER THREAD. K BYE


Its the Sprints forum, and as long as we stay on the topic of the sprints it really doesn't matter whether we make reference to Wariner or not. It just swayed in that direction for a bit. Besides, people gave you plenty of help with the 200.

[SUPERSPEED]

Congratulations, you have managed to bitch and rant for a page without proving anything useful. This is a new record for DyeStat.

Whether or not Wariner ran 45.xx or 42.9 or 53.5 or 68.9 is irrelevant. The point still stands that it's impossible to run anywhere near your potential while even splitting. Good, you accept it.

Thanks for the congrats, and i did prove something usefull, i proved my point! Which was that Wariner did run 2 sub 46.0's before Pan Ams his senior year, thats pretty useful in the debate that i was having with sprints07. So it's not bitching and ranting, it's called posting the facts!

[Sprints07]

DUDE! jesus just shut up, Iam not even going to argue with you anymore, your really damn annoying, GO AWAY! This thread was for people to help me, not for you to get bored and post **** no one cares about. To be honest I dont care who's right, it doesn't even matter what he ran, just go away, Iam sick of you barking like a little 3rd grader, go Idolize something else.

[remiks]

DUDE! jesus just shut up, Iam not even going to argue with you anymore, your really damn annoying, GO AWAY! This thread was for people to help me, not for you to get bored and post **** no one cares about. To be honest I dont care who's right, it doesn't even matter what he ran, just go away, Iam sick of you barking like a little 3rd grader, go Idolize something else.

Wow, why don't you relax. ITS THE INTERNET. This is the same guy that was giving you a lot of tips and help for your 200. The topic of your 400 came up, which led to 400 splits, which led to a little Wariner discussion. Like I said before, its the 'Sprints/Relays/Hurdles' section for a reason.

For posts about training in the sprints (up to 400), hurdles, relays, and any corresponding equipment, footwear, and apparel

You're the one acting immature. He even refers to the discussion as a mere debate. This is a DISCUSSION MESSAGE BOARD. Not a 'Sprint07 gets what he wants or else' forum. I don't see what you're complaining about. Everyone here has been courteous but you. :rolleyes:

[Sprints07]

Iam done with it, please, just stop. I cant be polite all the time. Iam sorry. And i was very polite and courteous until this argument came up. There is no reason for anyone to be fighting anymore, Just dont post anymore about it, were done saying whose right and wrong. If you want to continue debating about it, then have at it. How was I supposed to know, usatf and iaaf was wrong? Ive never been in a position to go to his meets to know any different. And for the record, from my sources I was right, how was I supposed to know different? I look at USATF all the time, and that is my source, I had never been to baylors website. You were right, I was wrong, But I in fact did not know better due to all my sources were wrong. My apologies, I was in 8th grade when he ran that and had just pretty much started track and wasn't into it enough to know anything from 2002.
Again Iam sorry. Iam not immature, I get angry just like everyone else can. I AM sorry for that. I just got frustrated cuz I asked for help and got stuff on jeremy wariner and thats like all i read about anymore. ok and one more Time Iam sorry for the confusion and the argument.

[SUPERSPEED]

Yes i was right, but not to worry it was a healthy debate and those are good to have once in a while. It;s not like i suddenly started this, i saw that you wrote something about Wariner and i felt it was fine to respond that he had broken 46.0 before the pan am games. If we turned the tables and i wrote something that was inaccurate, i bet someone would have wrote a post and tried to correct me. I am with remiks on this, its a message board discussion and sprint topics like these are bound to come up, i guess we both barked like 3rd graders :D Now that its over apology accepted and nothing was personal, it was a debate about proving facts and now its over.

[remiks]

Don't worry about it, just don't overreact like that next time. People will be happy to answer your questions as they come. Just be aware that discussions will happen from time to time.

[Sprints07]

Iam gonna hit USATF in the balls for just for giving me false info tho lol

[Speed-driven]

for USA being a TOP country in track anf field..they really are stupid when it comes to facts..and statistics..how sad is that..