Colorado State Championships

[Shiny Heiny]

Who'll win CO State Championships this year, both individual and team, guys and girls?

[watchout]

Guys: Denver South & Mohamud Ige?

[underdog]

boys
5a - individual steve weeks
5a team - cherry creek in a tight one over ft. collins
4a ind. - mo ige (easy)
4a team - denver south

girls
5a ind. maddie mckeever in a close one
5a girls smoky hill

[notyourcheese]

girls
5a ind. maddie mckeever in a close one
5a girls smoky hill

just in case mckeever doesnt come back from duke to run at state, I'll take Sammons from smoky hill

[Shiny Heiny]

Ya Id say Sammons for 5A girls indiv.
Top 5: Guys
5A- 1) Cherry Creek, 2) Wheat Ridge, 3) Ft Collins, 4) Fairview, 5) Smoky Hill
5A Indiv.- 1) Stephen Weeks, Arv. 2) Cheyne Heiny, WR, 3) Noah Shannon, FC, 4) Grant Duin, SH, 5) Stephen Koch, CC.
4A- 1) Denver South, 2) D'Evelyn, 3) Mountain View, 4) Liberty, 5) Sterling
4A Indiv.- 1) Mo Ige, DS, 2) Tyler Pennel, Golden, 3) Will Nemirow, D'Evelyn, 4) Abuid Mojica, DS, 5) Tyler Rasmussen, Sterling.
Top 5: Girls
5A- 1) Rocky Mountain, 2) Fairview, 3) Smoky Hill, 4) Ft Collins, 5) Coronado
5A Indiv.- 1) Keara Sammons, SH, 2) Katie Follett, FC, 3) Molly Palmer, Coronado, 4) Erin Stratton, SH, 5) Danielle Parry, RM.
4A- 1) Mullen, 2) Mountain View, 3) Battle Mountain, 4) Thompson Valley, 5) Moffat County
4A Indiv.- 1) Ashlyn Rule, MV, 2) Erika Ghent, BM, 3) Kacey Wilson, Mullen, 4) Brianne Beemer, MV, 5) Anna Lieb, Golden

[byga]

My predictions for this upcoming season are:

Guys:
5A: Cherry Creek vs. Fort Collins
Creek return 6 runners, while FC returns 3 runners. Even though Creek may seem to have the advantage on paper I really believe that FC will win. They have a lot of numbers and train hard plus they are the returning state champions. As far as Wheat Ridge goes someone please explain to me how last year’s 14th place finishers are gonna become the state runner-up. They return 4 from last year’s team, enough said. Pretty good prediction for the Fairview team but hey if I got to train in Boulder the entire year I’d be pretty good too. As far as the rest of teams just about anyone has a good shot at being ranked.

The individual race should be one of great excitement. As someone in another post mentioned it is Weeks race to loose. However he is undoubtedly a great runner. Improving by as much as he did from freshman to sophomore year is rather impressive and it will be exciting to see if he can defend his title. As far as the prediction Shiny Heiny made Noah Shannon is one of the top returnees along with Andrew Niccoli, Grant Duin, and Cheyne Heiny. But if last year shows us anything it is that we really can’t predict anything; look at Weeks, also several of the top seniors ran slower as seniors then they did as juniors at the state championships. Also there was a sophomore who placed right behind Weeks at state during the 2 mile who hadn’t even qualified for state (for XC) before from Grand Junction I believe who might be really good as well

4A: Denver South and Mo Ige no doubt.
There is really no one that can challenge this team only because 4A is going to be such a weak classification this year. Also no individual runners stand out either. As far as Ige goes hes only improved exactly 12 seconds from his soph to junior year, at the state meet with great competion both years. Also I recently read an article about his training in Colorado Runners Magazine saying that they only run 30-40 miles a week, and their(South’s) easy runs are at sub 6 min, everyone should know that type of training only leads to short terms success.

3A: No one really cares. With last years winners at a horrible time, as I mention in a previous post, and that about 15 guys from the two other classification could of won the race.



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[Shiny Heiny]

Those are good predictions. As far as WR goes, They have their top guy returning, along with 4 guys that will run in the 16s this season. They are my dark horse team this year.

[machonacho]

Rocky boys return 5 of top 8 from a team that finished 3rd in state last year, they have to be considered to be a top team

[Shiny Heiny]

Ya but didnt they lose their top 3 guys?

[machonacho]

Ya but even still 5 of top 8 is pretty good, top 3 guys weren't any good anyways, especially top 2

[Shiny Heiny]

Are you kidding me?!! Braun and Buchanen?! They were awesome! Losing those two guys will hurt Rocky without a doubt, but theyll probably be top 10, maybe 6th or 7th, since they have such an excellent program.

[1323]

5A Boys: Creek, Ft. Collins, RM, Smoky, Dakota
Medina, Shannon, Weeks, Duin, DR kid

5A Girls: Fairview, Ft. Collins, RM, Smoky, Creek, Coronado
Sammons, Follett, Palmer, McGregor, Parry

4A Boys: South, Liberty, DEvelyn
South 1-3, they have a new transfer

4A Girls: Mountain View, Conifer
Don't know individually

[Shiny Heiny]

You think Richard Medina's gonna win. Ya, he really could, he ran so well at state in the 3200, hes gonna be good this year. I like yer top 4 for 5A teams, but DR? I guess it depends on Niccoli and how he runs this season. The girls look about right, Sammons and Follett are gonna be very dominant this year. The 4A guys sound right, but watch out for a kid from Golden named Tyler Pennel, he'll surprise people this year. But overall, good work. :cool:

[eman]

4A Boys: South, Liberty, DEvelyn
South 1-3, they have a new transfer

Is this who you are talking about??

Marcos Escalaro Jr Ridge View Academy 16:37.8 20

[Shiny Heiny]

Ya, I think so, but Im not sure, but Im sure Brad knows :D

[Brad]

Marcos will not be at South. He is working out some issues.

[Shiny Heiny]

Auhhh man thats too bad. :( . Another 5A darkhorse this year could be Tad Elliot from Durango. If he had a good summer training, look for him to be tp 10.

[machonacho]

Are you kidding me?!! Braun and Buchanen?! They were awesome! Losing those two guys will hurt Rocky without a doubt, but theyll probably be top 10, maybe 6th or 7th, since they have such an excellent program.

Eh they were overrated

[Shiny Heiny]

Eh they were overrated
You sure on that? I mean, Buchanen got a full-ride to CU, which, uhhh, WON Nationals last year.

[Brad]

Another school that will be a top 3 contender will be the boy's team from Regis.

[Shiny Heiny]

Another school that will be a top 3 contender will be the boy's team from Regis.
Really? I mean, I knew that they have 6 of their 7 returning, but they just never seemed a threat to me. :confused:

[scienceguy]

so what happened to ige at state last spring? 9:50?????

can we expect better competitive efforts this year?
Any plans to travel to Utah this fall?

[underdog]

He did run 1:52 and a fairly qiuck 1600 too. All in two days.

[Shiny Heiny]

so what happened to ige at state last spring? 9:50?????

can we expect better competitive efforts this year?
Any plans to travel to Utah this fall?
And the 3200 was half an hour after the 800.

[machonacho]

He did run 1:52 and a fairly qiuck 1600 too. All in two days.

1.53

[runnerstrong]

His 9:01 at Golden West shoudl show his potential. All runners have off days. Pretty impossible to come back after a blistering 800. 9:50 after a 1:53 is impressive.

I hope Ige really makes it a point to make a statement this coming year. Runners come and runners go, very few leave a mark. Those that do are remembered forever. Ige can be remembered forever if he is willing to train differently, compete differently, and think diffeerently.

Ige, run for more than simply winning a race. Run to show the world who Mohamud Ige is. Wvery race is a step forward to your future. Be the best every single time. Never ease up, never run another runners race. You make them run with Mohamud Ige so that when they do race you they know they have a choice.

Make runners afraid to run with Ige, why? Becuase they will know they better bring their A game.

Go for sub 4, go for sub 8:40, go for sub 14:00. Be the best ever.

[COwolves06]

Haha....Regis...
good one....are you on the team or just trying to be funny?

If I'm not mistaken, the top guy from Regis finished in 109th place and the 5th place guy was around 140.

Thats not even Top 10....

[Brad]

I know what you are saying, if one were to base their potential of being a threat off past results it would be a joke, though they will be. Why? because this past summer their top 4 boys have been traning with the Denver South team. The Regis boys are very strong. The question is how strong and do they have a 5th man? Time will tell.

[COwolves06]

OK...if they train with Denver South then maybe, MAYBE they could crack the top 10....
By the way, South was at the D'evelyn Dash this morning....running Ige and the rest of their top team and Ige ran HARD....whats up with that? Its August 27....

[byga]

times?

[Brad]

He wanted to test himself after a very hard week.

[COwolves06]

Ige was somewhere around 15:20 I think...but the course was short I think

My last mile was 20 seconds faster than the other two and we had a bunch of people set PR's. It was our first meet of the season and there was an insane hill in the last mile so I'm thinking it was pretty hard to negative split the race...so times from there shouldnt really be taken too seriously

[Brad]

Times are nice, though who set them means more and Mo was comparing what John did the previous year on the same course. Good luck with your season.

[runnerstrong]

Mo is da man.

[RoyalsXC]

What about Noah Shannon, i would consider him being one of the top ind. at the state meet. And just a question what are Denver Souths times: for there 1-5 runners?

[Brad]

Noah is one of the top kids along with Steven Weeks and of course the 2 to 3 unknown athletes who will come out of the ranks. Denver South lost to Fort Collins yesturday by 8 points. The South boys did not have their #3 runner, though Fort Collins also did not have Noah. I still feel that the South boys still would have lost, they looked and felt very flat, it has been a very tough week for them, though the South boy's are a team who always race well when it counts. This morning was their first track workout. They ran a mile warm-up/ 10x500 with 2 minutes rest then a mile warm down. Their #2 through #8 averaged 1:35 and Mohamud averaged 1:25. Time will tell. Good luck with your season.

[RoyalsXC]

Thanks for you info! But all i gotta say is NOAH IS MY BOY!!! I LOVE HIM

[machonacho]

Have you ever actually talked to him?

[RoyalsXC]

yea Ihave, I went to camp with him this year.

[byga]

why did he not run friday?

[Brad]

Recruting visit.

[Shiny Heiny]

Recruting visit.
What school?

[Brad]

I think it was U.Wi.

[machonacho]

yea Ihave, I went to camp with him this year.

So you knew him for a week?

[VoidSix]

4A

Obviously South and Ige win if everything goes as planned. But who guess TYLER PENNEL to be 2nd? You have been talking up Tyler Pennel all over the boards. The fact of the matter is that the guy might be a great kid but there is no way he's going to stick with Tommy Walton and Tyler Rassmussen, etc.

Just so you know: Tommy Walton from Mountain View recently beat Steven Weeks by 8 seconds in a 5K. I would put him second in 4A, followed closely by Tyler Rassmussen (who ran a 4:18.66 mile in the spring, #2 in CO behind McGuire unless someone ran in between? Don't think so though).

Not to mention these two:

David Gossett (Skyline HS) 16:18
Will Nemirow (D'Evelyn) 16:20


5A

Dean Black is pretty good, coming into his own in his junior year. I would watchout for that one, although his form is pretty sketchy. Weeks will be there as will Shannon. Black looked pretty strong at Harrison though, running 10-20 seconds faster than anyone in any classification (over 500 boys raced) running 16:19 where EVERYONE ran slow.

Fort Collins can't lose this race.

[Shiny Heiny]

4A

Obviously South and Ige win if everything goes as planned. But who guess TYLER PENNEL to be 2nd? You have been talking up Tyler Pennel all over the boards. The fact of the matter is that the guy might be a great kid but there is no way he's going to stick with Tommy Walton and Tyler Rassmussen, etc.

Just so you know: Tommy Walton from Mountain View recently beat Steven Weeks by 8 seconds in a 5K. I would put him second in 4A, followed closely by Tyler Rassmussen (who ran a 4:18.66 mile in the spring, #2 in CO behind McGuire unless someone ran in between? Don't think so though).

Not to mention these two:

David Gossett (Skyline HS) 16:18
Will Nemirow (D'Evelyn) 16:20


5A

Dean Black is pretty good, coming into his own in his junior year. I would watchout for that one, although his form is pretty sketchy. Weeks will be there as will Shannon. Black looked pretty strong at Harrison though, running 10-20 seconds faster than anyone in any classification (over 500 boys raced) running 16:19 where EVERYONE ran slow.

Fort Collins can't lose this race.
First of all, Dean Black is a SENIOR. Secondly, did ya see Tyler Pennel race this track season??!!!!!! Right now, he is on FIRE! He ran a 4:25 and was right on Tommy Walton at the Greeley Invite! He has been running with me all summer and he will be HUGE this year! Thirdly, David Gossett SUCKED at Harrison last week. If you think a 17:17 will get you 2nd in 4A State, then you are VERY wrong! Also, Will Nemirow is injured right now, if he heals quikly and efficiently than he will be in the top 5 at State this year, I guarantee it. You really need to get your facts straight pal.

[VoidSix]

First of all, Dean Black is a SENIOR. Secondly, did ya see Tyler Pennel race this track season??!!!!!! Right now, he is on FIRE! He ran a 4:25 and was right on Tommy Walton at the Greeley Invite! He has been running with me all summer and he will be HUGE this year! Thirdly, David Gossett SUCKED at Harrison last week. If you think a 17:17 will get you 2nd in 4A State, then you are VERY wrong! Also, Will Nemirow is injured right now, if he heals quikly and efficiently than he will be in the top 5 at State this year, I guarantee it. You really need to get your facts straight pal.

Well unless all the results are wrong, Dean Black is in fact a junior. Thanks.

1. 683 Dean Black Jr 1. Palmer HS 16:19.6

It also lists him as a sophomore last year at state.


So you put Pennel over Walton even though he's never beat Walton? Or over Rassmussen, whose 1600m PR is 7 seconds faster than Pennel's? Walton also just beat Steven Weeks in a race.


So basically my facts are all straight. David Gossett ran decently, considering how slowly everyone ran that day. The main fact to show is that while Gosset got 9th last year, Pennel ran 17:14.

Pennel may very well be good, but it would take INTENSE improvement for him to have a shot at beating kids like Rasmussen and Walton.

[RedArmy]

It seems like far too many people are spending their time "Brad bashing" instead of at practice, school, or work. Life is too easy if all you have to worry about is how fast Ige goes out in the 3200 meters. Hey guys, it's not July anymore - the season has started, just run. -Kedge

[underdog]

The subject - CO state title.

The first step - Liberty Bell. What's your thoughts on next week? "Pick me a winner, Bobby" Roy Hobbs - The Natural

[VoidSix]

4A: Denver South and Mo Ige no doubt.
There is really no one that can challenge this team only because 4A is going to be such a weak classification this year. Also no individual runners stand out either. As far as Ige goes hes only improved exactly 12 seconds from his soph to junior year, at the state meet with great competion both years. Also I recently read an article about his training in Colorado Runners Magazine saying that they only run 30-40 miles a week, and their(South’s) easy runs are at sub 6 min, everyone should know that type of training only leads to short terms success.



To be fair to Ige, I'm pretty sure the state course in 2003 was around 150 meters short, a problem which I believe they fixed in 2004.

So really, Ige improved 35-40 seconds, which is a pretty good deal. Then again, I could be wrong, that's just off what I heard and what I ran.

[Brad]

Don't count out Mountain View, they have some great kid's with proven Coaches.

[Brad]

Denver South this evening won their City Meet. It was a 2 Mile course at Washington Park with some pavement and alot of grass.

Ige 9:23 12th
Mojica 10:09 11th
Munoz 10:12 12th
Nelson 10:23 10th
Abdufatah 10:38 10th
Faki 10:49 9th
Gregorio 11:04 9th

[Shiny Heiny]

Well unless all the results are wrong, Dean Black is in fact a junior. Thanks.

1. 683 Dean Black Jr 1. Palmer HS 16:19.6

It also lists him as a sophomore last year at state.


So you put Pennel over Walton even though he's never beat Walton? Or over Rassmussen, whose 1600m PR is 7 seconds faster than Pennel's? Walton also just beat Steven Weeks in a race.


So basically my facts are all straight. David Gossett ran decently, considering how slowly everyone ran that day. The main fact to show is that while Gosset got 9th last year, Pennel ran 17:14.

Pennel may very well be good, but it would take INTENSE improvement for him to have a shot at beating kids like Rasmussen and Walton.
If your facts come from the Harrison results, then you are wrong in thinking Dean is a Junior. You see, the results also post me as a Junior and I am pretty sure Im a senior this year, unless I failed a class that I didnt know about and for some reason Harrison did. Also, Ive been racing against Dean since my freshman year, which would also make him a senior. And also, a 1600 is irrelevant when discussing a 5K. Ive known excellent milers that could never get it done in the 5K. With Tyler, he has been beating me in races over the summer and I plan to be top 3 this season at state. Im pretty sure he will surprise you at Liberty Bell. By the way, Ive beatin Rasmussen and Gossett pretty easily quite a few times before. But Ill give it to you, Walton will be good.

[VoidSix]

If your facts come from the Harrison results, then you are wrong in thinking Dean is a Junior. You see, the results also post me as a Junior and I am pretty sure Im a senior this year, unless I failed a class that I didnt know about and for some reason Harrison did. Also, Ive been racing against Dean since my freshman year, which would also make him a senior. And also, a 1600 is irrelevant when discussing a 5K. Ive known excellent milers that could never get it done in the 5K. With Tyler, he has been beating me in races over the summer and I plan to be top 3 this season at state. Im pretty sure he will surprise you at Liberty Bell. By the way, Ive beatin Rasmussen and Gossett pretty easily quite a few times before. But Ill give it to you, Walton will be good.

Well it also listed Dean Black as a sophomore last year in the state meet results. But I would trust you more if you've been racing against him, because they mess that stuff up a lot. Either way, he is one to watch. I mean, he beat you by 16 seconds at Harrison (assuming you are Cheyne Heiny).

I'm not starting a fight, but you used Pennel's 4:25 as a reason to say he was going to smoke everyone. I was just pointing out that Rasmussen ran 4:18.66 last year.

I'm sure Pennel will surprise me. It's hard to think of Pennel improving so much. But it's more than possible. I just doubt he can make THAT much improvement in order to beat Rassmussen, Gossett, Walton, Mojica, etc. By the way, you don't have any room talking those guys down:

2004 State XC Colorado:

7. 481 Tyler Rasmussen Jr Sterling HS 16:15.6 7
9. 468 David Gossett So Skyline HS 16:18.3 9

11. 839 Cheyne Heiny Jr Wheat Ridge HS 16:21.5 11

2003 State XC Colorado

14. 479 Tyler Rasmussen So Sterling HS 16:24.0 14

160. 831 Cheyne Heiny So Wheat Ridge HS 18:20.9 160


I probably shouldn't even put the 2003 result in there. Obviously you had something up. But I just wouldn't be bragging about "easily" beating kids that have obviously "easily" beat you as well in the past. Not to mention--when it mattered most.

I mean, I have definitely had two bad state meets the last two years, and I know I can beat a lot of the kids I lost to, but I don't go around spouting off about it. I keep it to myself. Let your running do your talking for you, Cheyne.


Gossett doesn't train over the summer I don't think, so it's unsurprising to see him run a 17:XX early in the season. It's the end of the season that matters. And XC is Gossett's thing. He isn't nearly as good in track.


And Rassmussen ran VERY well at Harrison considering he was all alone by 45 seconds. If you give him competition, that's at least 16:25, maybe faster.

[Shiny Heiny]

Well it also listed Dean Black as a sophomore last year in the state meet results. But I would trust you more if you've been racing against him, because they mess that stuff up a lot. Either way, he is one to watch. I mean, he beat you by 16 seconds at Harrison (assuming you are Cheyne Heiny).

I'm not starting a fight, but you used Pennel's 4:25 as a reason to say he was going to smoke everyone. I was just pointing out that Rasmussen ran 4:18.66 last year.

I'm sure Pennel will surprise me. It's hard to think of Pennel improving so much. But it's more than possible. I just doubt he can make THAT much improvement in order to beat Rassmussen, Gossett, Walton, Mojica, etc. By the way, you don't have any room talking those guys down:

2004 State XC Colorado:

7. 481 Tyler Rasmussen Jr Sterling HS 16:15.6 7
9. 468 David Gossett So Skyline HS 16:18.3 9

11. 839 Cheyne Heiny Jr Wheat Ridge HS 16:21.5 11

2003 State XC Colorado

14. 479 Tyler Rasmussen So Sterling HS 16:24.0 14

160. 831 Cheyne Heiny So Wheat Ridge HS 18:20.9 160


I probably shouldn't even put the 2003 result in there. Obviously you had something up. But I just wouldn't be bragging about "easily" beating kids that have obviously "easily" beat you as well in the past. Not to mention--when it mattered most.

I mean, I have definitely had two bad state meets the last two years, and I know I can beat a lot of the kids I lost to, but I don't go around spouting off about it. I keep it to myself. Let your running do your talking for you, Cheyne.


Gossett doesn't train over the summer I don't think, so it's unsurprising to see him run a 17:XX early in the season. It's the end of the season that matters. And XC is Gossett's thing. He isn't nearly as good in track.


And Rassmussen ran VERY well at Harrison considering he was all alone by 45 seconds. If you give him competition, that's at least 16:25, maybe faster.
Dont you see it? They are not getting any faster! Each year, they run the same times! In 2003, thats exactly how fast I was. My PR was 18:09. Once I started training, I got down in the low 16s. As to where Rasmussen has been in the 16:10-16:20 range since he was a Sophomore. Doesnt that tell you something? And besides, whenever I raced against Rasmussen in Indoor and Outdoor meets, I would beat him in the 3200. I dont think I have lost to him head-to-head my Junior year. As far as Gossett goes, he's just digging himself in a hole not training during the summer. Every runner in their right mind knows that the summer training is where you can make your mark. And trust me, kid, I do not go spouting my mouth off. I only tell you this because you think yer always right and Im just letting you know how wrong you are. Ask all the runners that I talk to you, and they will tell you that I dont go around telling everyone how good I am and all. But Im not even that GOOD yet. I know I can be so much faster right now.

[VoidSix]

Dont you see it? They are not getting any faster! Each year, they run the same times! In 2003, thats exactly how fast I was. My PR was 18:09. Once I started training, I got down in the low 16s. As to where Rasmussen has been in the 16:10-16:20 range since he was a Sophomore. Doesnt that tell you something? And besides, whenever I raced against Rasmussen in Indoor and Outdoor meets, I would beat him in the 3200. I dont think I have lost to him head-to-head my Junior year. As far as Gossett goes, he's just digging himself in a hole not training during the summer. Every runner in their right mind knows that the summer training is where you can make your mark. And trust me, kid, I do not go spouting my mouth off. I only tell you this because you think yer always right and Im just letting you know how wrong you are. Ask all the runners that I talk to you, and they will tell you that I dont go around telling everyone how good I am and all. But Im not even that GOOD yet. I know I can be so much faster right now.

I don't think I'm always right. I just read the facts off paper and tell them to you, and you have a hissy fit about them. In fact, I couldn't be more right, because I simply show you times off paper.

You predict yourself to be 2nd in 5A state, etc. How is that not talking about how good you are? You talk about how you "easily" beat runners in maybe one or two races during the season? The Rassmussen's don't even take all their meets seriously, but they show up at state. Tyler got 2nd in the 1600 and 2nd in the 3200 last year in track. What did you do? According to the results, you ran 10:24. Which is about 30 seconds slower than Tyler.

So how wrong am I? You can't prove it on this board. Go get second in 5A, then you can "tell me how wrong I am." Right now, I'm just factual. Rassmussen has ran very well at every state meet, he has taken time off his 1600,3200 and 5K (I'll get to that in one second) and he has been 3rd in state twice, 2nd in state twice and has a good shot of winning two events this coming season. Those are FACTS. Not me being wrong, buddy.

The Harrison course was lengthened between 2003-2004 according to some sources. So Rassmussen in fact chipped probably the equivalent of 30 seconds off his 5K. As for his 1600, he went from 4:30-4:18 from Sophomore to Junior year, and from 9:53-9:45 in the 3200. So I think he is improving pretty decently. And he is also a cool guy and outside of friendly ****-talking, never puffs himself up.



You are obviously a talented guy and will be a force in 5A. But I don't see anything you've done that makes you better than Rassmussen or Gossett, especially Tyler. As far as I know, all his PRs are faster, he's done better at state, and doesn't need to brag himself up. I'm sure he could quote a few races where he handled you pretty "easily".

[Shiny Heiny]

I don't think I'm always right. I just read the facts off paper and tell them to you, and you have a hissy fit about them. In fact, I couldn't be more right, because I simply show you times off paper.

You predict yourself to be 2nd in 5A state, etc. How is that not talking about how good you are? You talk about how you "easily" beat runners in maybe one or two races during the season? The Rassmussen's don't even take all their meets seriously, but they show up at state. Tyler got 2nd in the 1600 and 2nd in the 3200 last year in track. What did you do? According to the results, you ran 10:24. Which is about 30 seconds slower than Tyler.

So how wrong am I? You can't prove it on this board. Go get second in 5A, then you can "tell me how wrong I am." Right now, I'm just factual. Rassmussen has ran very well at every state meet, he has taken time off his 1600,3200 and 5K (I'll get to that in one second) and he has been 3rd in state twice, 2nd in state twice and has a good shot of winning two events this coming season. Those are FACTS. Not me being wrong, buddy.

The Harrison course was lengthened between 2003-2004 according to some sources. So Rassmussen in fact chipped probably the equivalent of 30 seconds off his 5K. As for his 1600, he went from 4:30-4:18 from Sophomore to Junior year, and from 9:53-9:45 in the 3200. So I think he is improving pretty decently. And he is also a cool guy and outside of friendly ****-talking, never puffs himself up.



You are obviously a talented guy and will be a force in 5A. But I don't see anything you've done that makes you better than Rassmussen or Gossett, especially Tyler. As far as I know, all his PRs are faster, he's done better at state, and doesn't need to brag himself up. I'm sure he could quote a few races where he handled you pretty "easily".
Fine, Ill just have to prove it to ya, cuz thats the only way. Also, I dont really mean to rag on Tyler because he really is a cool guy, Ive met him before and he is really nice. I know he will be great this season, Im just sayin Pennel will be up there to challenge him. But for State in the 3200, I was pretty sick the entire week before and couldnt get over it in time. And, I still have never raced Ras in a big meet because hes in 4A and Im in 5A. But if I were to race him, it would be a good race. But also, I improved my 3200 time from my Soph to Junior year by 30 seconds(10:26 to 9:55).

[VoidSix]

Fine, Ill just have to prove it to ya, cuz thats the only way. Also, I dont really mean to rag on Tyler because he really is a cool guy, Ive met him before and he is really nice. I know he will be great this season, Im just sayin Pennel will be up there to challenge him. But for State in the 3200, I was pretty sick the entire week before and couldnt get over it in time. And, I still have never raced Ras in a big meet because hes in 4A and Im in 5A. But if I were to race him, it would be a good race. But also, I improved my 3200 time from my Soph to Junior year by 30 seconds(10:26 to 9:55).

Yeah, obviously 10:24 wasn't your best since you auto-qualified. Just seemed like you were ragging on people. I hope you do well. It's always cool when the people who work the hardest are the ones that come out on top.

You've made some pretty amazing improvements since your sophomore year. What did you run for the 1600 last spring?

This spring I'm hoping to duck under 1:58, 4:25, and 9:45. Not really sure where I'm at in terms of cross country, I think this is the first year I will really be applying myself 100% to it. Hope to get under 16:15 at Fort Collins, Greeley, or El Pomar.

Edit: It's also cool that you aren't afraid to run with anyone. Good luck in XC!

[Shiny Heiny]

Yeah, obviously 10:24 wasn't your best since you auto-qualified. Just seemed like you were ragging on people. I hope you do well. It's always cool when the people who work the hardest are the ones that come out on top.

You've made some pretty amazing improvements since your sophomore year. What did you run for the 1600 last spring?

This spring I'm hoping to duck under 1:58, 4:25, and 9:45. Not really sure where I'm at in terms of cross country, I think this is the first year I will really be applying myself 100% to it. Hope to get under 16:15 at Fort Collins, Greeley, or El Pomar.

Edit: It's also cool that you aren't afraid to run with anyone. Good luck in XC!
Im glad all the arguing is over! :D . My 1600 last spring was a 4:44, I never really focused on the 1600. My plan was to pre-qualify for the 3200 at the start of the season and work on the 1600, but I had a lot of problems and didnt qualify for the 32 until the end of the season. But ya, good luck this season and I hope you do well. What year are you?

[VoidSix]

I'm going to be a senior. I guess I'm more middle distance, but I'm trying to work on that. Ran 1:59 and 4:36 last spring but my 5K is still 17:07.

[VoidSix]

Mountain View boys are looking pretty decent early on. I think that D. South is still probably the 4A favorite.

Anyone consider Tommy Walton for individual title? If Ige slips up at all Walton seems to be poised to take it. Has beat Steven Weeks twice already this season.

3A is looking REAL weak this year. Freshman Andrew Roberts (Lyons), Trevor Wal. (TCA), Riley Weber (Valley) and a few others look like the favorites right now. Probably no one under 16:25.

[Zat0pek]

4A girls individual champion will be Katie Vanatta.

[Shiny Heiny]

4A girls individual champion will be Katie Vanatta.
Haha ya I'll agree with that!

[byga]

was the course short where she ran a 16:55. Come on only 2 other girls in Colorado history have cracked the 17 minute mark

[eman]

4A girls individual champion will be Katie Vanatta.

You outed Katie. First time she's been mentioned on Dyestat and definitely not the last. For those of you who don't know she is only a freshman. I think her only loss was to Katie Follett at the Cherry Creek Invitational by 6 seconds.

As for the difficulty of the JeffCo League Meet course, well if she had run with all the boys (they split 4a and 5a) she would have placed about 25 out of about 125 boys and was 1 minute 20 seconds faster than the next fastest girl.

Oct 13 4A JeffCo League Meet 16:55:00
Oct 7 Pat Amato Invitational (2005) 17:32:73
Sep 30 Columbine Invitational 17:46:00
Sep 23 Fort Collins Runners Roost Division II (2005) 17:49:03
Sep 9 Cherry Creek Invitational 18:21:00
Sep 20 Lobo Invitational 18:32:00
Sep 13 Chatfield Challenge 18:37:00

[Shiny Heiny]

was the course short where she ran a 16:55. Come on only 2 other girls in Colorado history have cracked the 17 minute mark
No, the course was regulated, but it was VERY fast! She did soooo good though, it was crazy!

[KenA55]

What class is Dan Roberts from MI and the Crested Butte team in? I haven't seen his name pop up in this thread at all.

[Shiny Heiny]

What class is Dan Roberts from MI and the Crested Butte team in? I haven't seen his name pop up in this thread at all.
I actually don't think it's the Crested Butte from Colorado. Im not sure but I really dont think Dan Roberts can possibly be going to Crested Butte in CO, I mean, I dont even think they have a team..... If anyone else knows whats goin on, please fill me in! :D

[KenA55]

Well I know he tied for 2nd in 15:30 in the Chile Pepper, listed as a Crested Butte runner in the results there, no state info given-
http://dyestat.com/3us/5xc/ChiliPepper/results.htm
then there's the photo on the main Chili Pepper page here, where he's partially obscured behind Potosi Mo's Mathis, where he's identified as running for Crested Butte CO (he was the only Crested Butte runner in the field so if they have a 'team' in any sense of the word, Roberts may be 100% of it)-
http://dyestat.com/3us/5xc/ChiliPepper/index.htm
and finally Steveu in his Midwest FL preview lists the two top returnees, both CO athletes, Roberts from Crested Butte, formerly of Vicksburg MI.
"The other returnee, Dan Roberts, has moved 1,500 miles across the country. Amazingly, he’s in still in the same region, as Vicksburg MI and Crested Butte Academy CO are on opposite ends of the vast MW. He popped up at Stanford, then Chile Pepper last week where he was third. A 4:09 1600 runner, he still must be considered near the top of the rankings"
http://www.dyestat.com/3us/5xc/footlocker/steveu/midwest.htm

So I guess it's just a question of which class that school would be in, if they had previously had a team- that's the class that Roberts will presumably be competing in sectionals/regionals; if anybody knows which that is let us know, once they've happened I suppose we can spot him in the results, should be at or near the top, any class.

Looking through your CHSAA enrollment listings I see a Crested Butte community school with an enrollment of just 99, no idea whether that's the Crested Butte Academy he's attending or not.

[byga]

getting back to the topic,
now that regionals are over who are the favorites from each class and division?

[VoidSix]

Ige, Eckleman, Walton and Rassmussen for 4A boys in the top five.

[Porter]

Dan Roberts is running in Colorado. There has been the new elite H.S. CC program started at Crested Butte Academy by the former Glenwood Springs H.S. and University of Maryland coach. It is my understanding that they are not sanctioned by CHSAA and therefore will not be running at the State Championships. I'm sure you'll see him at Midwest Footlockers.

[mayfly]

I'm taking Kevin Williams to be second in 4a.

[Shiny Heiny]

Dan Roberts is running in Colorado. There has been the new elite H.S. CC program started at Crested Butte Academy by the former Glenwood Springs H.S. and University of Maryland coach. It is my understanding that they are not sanctioned by CHSAA and therefore will not be running at the State Championships. I'm sure you'll see him at Midwest Footlockers.
Hey coach, thanks a TON for the update! :cool: . I was so confused as to what happened with him. Thanks again!

[mayfly]

Actually forget that. I'm taking Kevin Williams for the upset win in 4a.

[Slimcox]

As much as I like and know Kevin. I don't think he will win. Ige will run away with it as Rasmussen and Walton battle for second. I have Walton winning that one though.

[VoidSix]

Rasmussen hasn't shown much form this cross country season (regardless of the fact that he's only lost 1 race, regionals). But I wouldn't doubt him--as he always seems to "show up" for the big races.

I watched him run 4:18.66 in the track season (which I believe was the #2 CO time all season) and take second in 4A in both the 3200m and the 1600m races after taking third in both his sophomore year.

Walton is great, but I'm going to give Rasmussen the edge in this one, maybe because he's a cool guy, and maybe because he seems to save his best for the meets that count.

[mayfly]

Hate to say I told you so...Kevin Williams is the f u c k i n g man.

[thetucker2]

I thought everyone should know, the underdog Battle Mountain girls, coming off a regional win where the score was 28 - Battle Mountain vs. 28 - Everyone Else, won the 4A state's race by 30 points.

[VoidSix]

I think freaking Steven Weeks is the real man. 15:39?

[Shiny Heiny]

I think freaking Steven Weeks is the real man. 15:39?
Ya, hes definitely a beast. Congrats bud!

[elmeromero]

anyone have full results from the CO state meet today?

[Shiny Heiny]

anyone have full results from the CO state meet today?
Im sure theyll be on www.runnercard.com pretty soon

[VoidSix]

Are the 5A times wrong on runnercard.com? I had Steven Weeks at like 15:40 and it has him at 15:55. Plus 5A would be pretty weak this year if those results are correct. I'm pretty sure the times are all 15 seconds slower than reality. Did they get your 16:57 right, Cheyne? Or were you like 16:40?

[Brad]

I know that allot of you really like to crunch the numbers, has anyone looked at what would have happened if the 5A and 4A race were combined. I think Liberty would have won it all followed by Mt. View,FC and then South. Roughly and I mean ROUGHLY, 110/112/114/118. Also, if you put FC into the 4A race Mt. View would have won followed by FC. Who go's to NTN? Remember, last year Los Alamos beat AA 4 or five times and then at state AA won and recieved the NTN bid. South do's not deserve to be considered, though Liberty,Mt.View and FC I feel all are in the hunt with Liberty a bit ahead. Any thoughts?

[VoidSix]

My thoughts are that the 5A results are posted wrong.

I started my watch when the gun went off, and got Steven Weeks at 15:38, Noah Shannon in 16:05.

So move up everyone's time in 5A by 17-18 seconds and then combine them. Pretty sure FC wins. FC deserves to go, but Liberty and Mountain View don't.

Liberty would get rocked at a meet like NTN because while their pack is good enough to place them well in a classification at the state meet, it's going to be like buried at NTN. FC on the other hand could do decently.

I really hope that the NTN Committee doesn't use the results as a basis to move FC down. It would be sad for FC to lose a stellar season when in actuality they all ran 17 seconds faster than the times imply. By the way, this isn't just me, I have talked to all of my team members who also timed it and got the same results, and the results we have are also the same as what the clock was showing at the end of the race as they crossed the line.

The people running the meet were a mess. They gave my teammate a card saying he ran 16:51.9, which was his goal (to break 17) when he actually ran 17:08. It was a BIG, BIG mess. Don't trust those results.

[Brad]

Your right. If the clock was off at a State HS Championship with so much on the line, that would be sad. The best team should go.

[KenA55]

I can't open that runnercard.com website; my ancient browser or machine must not like it. I'll get a peek tomorrow at work, I suppose.

But if the timing people know for a fact they've got a problem, they should either consult with a number of programs that timed their own people and get a consensus correction where it's needed. Or at the very least publish a disclaimer along with the results noting the potential discrepencies, and a caution flag against attempting to compare across from one race to the other.

Keep talking about whatever info you get on this in the upcoming days.

I have a system loaded and ready for whenever I do see complete results- for the purpose of a FL midwest region evaluation of state efforts by both top individuals as well as teams:
http://www.dyestat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13735
the system is loaded with an average time from last years CO race, based on runners across in the 15th through 25th percent of the field, these are the '04 numbers-
'CO Div. 5 state 178 total runners; avg. time '04 27th-44th place = 16:49.88'

The same 27th-44th place average time saturday will be used to decide just how much faster/slower the race was compared to '04, and even if there was a discrepency as long as everybody is off equally the conversion will include that, and everybody will be 'transferred' into the '04 event and from there on to the '04 MW regional to have their '05 effort stacked alongside others from the region.

Normally I would have used that same conversion for 4A and 3A as well, but because of the possible discrepency I'll do the same for the each of those divisions separately, same 27th-44th place average, and if they were timed well while 5A had issues the size you were suggesting, it should definitely show up in those separate conversions with some degree of accuracy.

So here's last year's 4A/3A numbers for that same range of runners, 27th-44th place, and hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to get this years stuff unless someone who has this years results handy can calculate that range avg. time in each of the three divisions and post here. If that 5A conversion stands markedly different from the other two in the direction and near the amount you're suggesting, we'll have objective numerical evidence of the issues you've mentioned, as well as a measure of it that makes it tough to argue against.

'04 4A 27th-44th place avg time: 16:59.43
'04 3A 27th-44th place avg time: 17:47.77

[VoidSix]

Good, I'm glad we could catch the attention of you!

I have no "concrete" evidence besides the fact that I was on the course that day with my team (who ran 4A), started my watch as the gun went off and had a 17-18 second difference in all of the times. My other teammates as well as my coach had the same time difference (we were all watching Steven Weeks and Noah Shannon, who we got in 15:38-ish and 16:05-ish) and our results were consisent with the clock that was running next ot the finish line, but NOT with the posted results.

However, the 3A and 4A results are correct.

[KenA55]

Looks like those runnercard results got changed now that I'm on a machine and browser that'll actually open them- Weeks is listed at 15:42.1, and I presume things got straightened out. But it'll still be interesting to see just how those various division average time ranges shook out, since I already calculated them for '04 above.

05-->'04 5A 27th-44th place avg time: 17:07.54-->16:49.88, 18 sec slower this year
05-->'04 4A 27th-44th place avg time: 17:13.32-->16:59.43, 14 sec slower this year
05-->'04 3A 27th-44th place avg time: 17:56.69-->17:47.77, 9 sec slower

+- 5 sec variation around the mean among the races for the 3 classes, that works, no 15sec+ discrepency now. If they had Weeks originally down at 15:55, then they decided there must have been a 13 second error, not quite as much as you saw but at least in the ballpark.

[VoidSix]

Yeah, I was just guessing. I basically looked at my watch when I thought I saw him slow down so it wouldn't be exact. Either way, I knew it wasn't 15:55. Pretty good deal.

Anyway, I wouldn't read into the differences from the state meet times too much, as they change the course ALL the time. I've ran at that course six times and at most, it's been the same twice. That's it, lol.

[1323]

I can't believe the Rocky Mountain coach is lobbying to the SW representative to get in to NTN.

[KenA55]

Well having seen the Rocky Mountain girls compete, Fairview should probably get moved just ahead of them for having done the deed- but their coach is right on the money about their looking like a nat. top 10 regardless and if there isn't an at-large extended their way something's seriously wrong with the system. But of course it wouldn't be the first time that something obvious has been seriously wrong with the system.

[five05]

Does not sound like he is taking defeat graciously. Need a regional run-off to determine who goes. There are many good teams that do not get the exposure or have the ability to travel out of state because of certain rules governing their athletics.

[JoeBoone418]

i think ill give Ige a run for his money at state.

[VoidSix]

i think ill give Ige a run for his money at state.

Too late.

[runnerdude2197]

what happened to katie follett from Fort Collins? i heard she had some huge dehydration issues.

[Irun4thechicks]

anyone on here know Ned Pollert-former cc coach at grand junction??? He's my uncle

[Brad]

Your uncle is a great guy! He has always treated my Team very well whenever we go over to the Tiger meet.

[Irun4thechicks]

yeah he definately is cool stuff... anybody know if he's got a name on here??