State

[MWestRnnr]

So... now that we have seen some things so far in outdoors... What do you think will happen at state track with things like the 1600 3200 or 800. Also lets talk about the 4x8 and any other relays. Just looking for your opinion. Also the junior class is looking good right now with Popejoy goin 4.21 the one Dett at 4.18 and 1.56 and the other running 4.17. Beaird(sp?) from NC has also looked good. What do you about next year as well?

[Runr Of Cwood]

http://www.dyestat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141

[MWestRnnr]

I realize that was brought up but it kind of died off and we hadn't seen anything outddors yet. Look at it this way... who would have guessed that Beaird(sp?) woulda have beaten Popejoy. There have already been some cool things that have happened that may have changed some ideas.

[fentonfreshman]

Look at it this way... who would have guessed that Beaird(sp?) woulda have beaten Popejoy. .
Mrs. Cleo?

[WB Regulator]

Mrs. Cleo?

She isnt real!

:mad:

[Sizzilk]

I believe it's Miss Cleo- unfortunately we have yet to tie the knot

[fentonfreshman]

She isnt real!

:mad:
Miss Cleo says that DK kisses his teammates! :p

[WB Regulator]

Miss Cleo says that DK kisses his teammates! :p

Tell her to keep a lid on it.

[PreLikedBeer]

I realize that was brought up but it kind of died off and we hadn't seen anything outddors yet. Look at it this way... who would have guessed that Beaird(sp?) woulda have beaten Popejoy. There have already been some cool things that have happened that may have changed some ideas.
yeah but didnt popejoy hand it back to beaird this recent meet, running a 4:21.

[RapsMVP]

So... now that we have seen some things so far in outdoors... What do you think will happen at state track with things like the 1600 3200 or 800. Also lets talk about the 4x8 and any other relays. Just looking for your opinion. Also the junior class is looking good right now with Popejoy goin 4.21 the one Dett at 4.18 and 1.56 and the other running 4.17. Beaird(sp?) from NC has also looked good. What do you about next year as well?

If I had to make one guess at who MWestRnnr is it would be eric dettman. How cocky is it of him to try and start convo about himself. What a wack job.
GO popejoy!!

[point-eight-k]

I dunno. I got a chance to watch the GBS 4x8 put 4 sophomores at 8:12 last saturday. Based on last year for them, that's right on pace to go under 8:00 again.

Also, keep in mind that they ran that without their top leg (B. MacTaggart) who can go 1:58 or better now in the relay.

[PreLikedBeer]

If I had to make one guess at who MWestRnnr is it would be eric dettman. How cocky is it of him to try and start convo about himself. What a wack job.
GO popejoy!!
i was thinking its someone from mainewest.

[DirtyD]

2 - Mile will come down to Sean Mac, Luciano (is he even running?), and Popejoy. We'll finally get the show we wanted last fall that fell through. I think there will be no runaway victor like in XC, it will be tight as hell. 800 has got to go to Durrel, that guy is too good to go against. My only question is how fast can the man go? The mile is too much up for grabs. I think Sean Mac will be in the mix, but not the champ there. I can't see him pull the double. Alex Hutchins has a chance with the times he's been throwing down. I think if Luciano drops down to the mile, he could have some wicked speed. Popejoy as well seems to be competitive. Finley could be good. If Kuphall doesn't repeat his IPTT results, he could also be up front. It will be a good meet. Now the real question....can York come anywhere close to their record outdoors for the 4X8? Also....how awesome will the EIU Spring Gala be? So far on board is Roy Riley, Jeremy Simmons, Josh Simmons, and myself. Who is in on this? I think it'll be limited to non-state competitors....and I was also thinking we make Spring Gala t-shirts like we tried at state XC, could be pretty awesome.

[Sub2Smith]

rapmvp you are now also dyestatsmvp, he's calling you out MWestdetty!

[WB Regulator]

count luck out. done for the year.

[black n gold]

i would definitely be up for this and im sure i know 2 others that would like to join

[PreLikedBeer]

count luck out. done for the year.
wtf? again!

[Mr. Powers]

count luck out. done for the year.
who is luck?

[DinoParkTycoon]

shut the hell up? Are you kidding me?

[Mr. Powers]

shut the hell up? Are you kidding me?
I can honestly say i'm not kidding and have no idea who that is

[ditka3001]

luciano

[Mr. Powers]

luciano
O lol, thats what my gut feeling was.

[MWestRnnr]

If I had to make one guess at who MWestRnnr is it would be eric dettman. How cocky is it of him to try and start convo about himself. What a wack job.
GO popejoy!!

im just a freshman who is curious about what is going on since i dont no much.

[BeastfromtheEast]

im just a freshman who is curious about what is going on since i dont no much.


HAHA.... right

[phrisbee]

Alex Hutchins with the distance sweep. Thread closed.

[milerkick]

Alex Hutchins with the distance sweep. Thread closed.

From the IPTT website:

3200 Meters

Sean Houseworth Eureka 9:30.74
Ryan Craven Prospect 9:37.24
Kyle Cameron United Township 9:38.61
Brian Chenoweth Geneseo 9:39.87
Richardson Buffalo Grove 9:44.24
Ryan Downers Grove North 9:46.24
Austin Green Rock Island 9:46.45
Kupish Downers Grove North 9:49.14
Nate Hird Alleman 9:49.65
Alex Hutchins Moline 9:49.66

I think he's run 4:3xx in the 1600 as well. Too bad that other kid talked him up so much last winter - he made Hutchins a dyestat joke when actually he's pretty solid.

[Fast4]

2 - Mile will come down to Sean Mac, Luciano (is he even running?), and Popejoy. We'll finally get the show we wanted last fall that fell through. I think there will be no runaway victor like in XC, it will be tight as hell. 800 has got to go to Durrel, that guy is too good to go against. My only question is how fast can the man go? The mile is too much up for grabs. I think Sean Mac will be in the mix, but not the champ there. I can't see him pull the double. Alex Hutchins has a chance with the times he's been throwing down. I think if Luciano drops down to the mile, he could have some wicked speed. Popejoy as well seems to be competitive. Finley could be good. If Kuphall doesn't repeat his IPTT results, he could also be up front. It will be a good meet. Now the real question....can York come anywhere close to their record outdoors for the 4X8? Also....how awesome will the EIU Spring Gala be? So far on board is Roy Riley, Jeremy Simmons, Josh Simmons, and myself. Who is in on this? I think it'll be limited to non-state competitors....and I was also thinking we make Spring Gala t-shirts like we tried at state XC, could be pretty awesome.

This could possibly be the worst analysis ever. Sorry to blast DirtyD, but apparently Macnamara will barely win the 3200 and won't win the 1600. The same Macnamara that won state in XC by 20 seconds. The same NTN champion macnamara. The guy who ran his worst race at FL and still finished 12th. the guy who ran a 8:56 time trial during the fall, and who ran 9:00 and 4:12 LAST YEAR!!! maybe if Popejoy/Luciano both run 8:55 it might be "close". and if either one of those guys can go sub 4:10 then maybe Mac won't win the 1600. but can you honestly tell me Mac isn't the favorite in both. he has only really run one meet, and he went 9:18 and 4:14 after running the 4 X 800. I'm saying Mac has the potential to go 8:48-52 and 4:08. Maybe not doubling with those times at state. but i'm sure he's gotta some margin for error. Picking anyone other than him is plain STUPID

[point-eight-k]

Picking anyone other than him is plain STUPID

No. No it's not. He's not "unstopable" in the 1600 by any means at state--particularly becasue he's doubling up (presumably).

Keep in mind, there's going to be A LOT of people saving eveything they got for the 1600 at state--indeed some very talented people.

Sean is really good, but also, that double is tough for almost any distance runner. Even Withrow barely won that tactical mile last year--and this year will be a much more heated up mile race.

Just keep the possibilities open.

[milerkick]

No. No it's not. He's not "unstopable" in the 1600 by any means at state--particularly becasue he's doubling up (presumably).

Keep in mind, there's going to be A LOT of people saving eveything they got for the 1600 at state--indeed some very talented people.

Sean is really good, but also, that double is tough for almost any distance runner. Even Withrow barely won that tactical mile last year--and this year will be a much more heated up mile race.

Just keep the possibilities open.

How much faster is Mac's 3200 pr than anyone else's in the state right now?
16 seconds? He might be able to save something for the 1600.

[DirtyD]

Did anyone notice who I said would be the guys behind him? He dominated state because the two best guys, bother better than the dettmans, were injured. If Luciano is out, that's a shame, but popejoy seems to be back, so no, I don't think Macnamara is a runaway winner in the 2 mile or 1 mile. Seriously, he's good, I am not arguing this, but I think the times from state XC should say something. He's not a dominant force like Withrow was. And to milerkick, PRs prove nothing. If that's the case, then I guess Mactaggart was the 3200 champ last spring cause he had the best PR going into state, so there goes your lil idea of the person with the best PR winning it.

[PreLikedBeer]

He's not a dominant force like Withrow was.
He is though, not as much as withrow was, but hes def a dominant force.

Mac will win both. no doubt.

[milerkick]

Did anyone notice who I said would be the guys behind him? He dominated state because the two best guys, bother better than the dettmans, were injured. If Luciano is out, that's a shame, but popejoy seems to be back, so no, I don't think Macnamara is a runaway winner in the 2 mile or 1 mile. Seriously, he's good, I am not arguing this, but I think the times from state XC should say something. He's not a dominant force like Withrow was. And to milerkick, PRs prove nothing. If that's the case, then I guess Mactaggart was the 3200 champ last spring cause he had the best PR going into state, so there goes your lil idea of the person with the best PR winning it.

So your lil idea is that times in state xc mean something but PR's (also times) don't? That's a little contradictory. Withrow won state by 13 seconds - Macnamara won by 19. Who was more dominant?

I agree that PRs don't mean everything but they do represent a performance that's actually been acheived. And if Mactaggart had run his best time he would have beat the winning time by 2 seconds(not that Withrow couldn't have run faster anyway). So why did MacT run 14 seconds slower at state?With all other factors being equal (sickness, ability to handle pressure,etc.) PRs are good predictor of performance.

[In_The_Shadows]

Alex Hutchins Moline 9:49.66

I think he's run 4:3xx in the 1600 as well. Too bad that other kid talked him up so much last winter - he made Hutchins a dyestat joke when actually he's pretty solid.


You honestly think whoever that was last year believed Hutch was going to win everything? He was just some douche from our team who felt like making fun of him. We love Hutch around here, but we arent ignorant enough to say things like that.

[letsgo]

im not taking anything away from macnamara, but he won by 19 seconds over one of the slowest all state cutoffs ever, withrow won by 13 seconds over one of the better all state cutoffs, i think 25th was around 1454 on the longer course, but i have total respect for mac but all throughout last year he was a front runner, then at state he just sat and ran someone elses race, and thats why he lost, withrow didnt have more leg speed than mac, they are about the same but withrow ran his race and no one could match that, but maybe things will go differently because mac has more confidence now from cross, but i agree he isnt a lock in mile, but i think the two mile is his, i mean he is in talk of having the best 2 mile nationally

[Runr Of Cwood]

And Willy McCann was last year.

[Fast4]

I'm not sure how one race at state in cross country indicates that macnamara isn't awesome. he cruised to a win, and was never even challenged. we all know he could've run another 4-8 seconds faster if someone was around, but he was like 150 meters ahead of everyone. The fact that during xc season he ran a 8:56 times trial, and has already gone 4:12 is what counts. not some unchallenged race. Popejoy and Luciano are great runners, but they are not 8:55 or 4:10 runners. they just won't run that fast. SORRY, but they will have to wait until next year. cause if mac runs his 9:02 and 4:11 he'll be wearing two gold medals in may. i just look at it in terms of times. he can run those times, the others can't. people want to break it down and compare withrow and EMac and sean, but it doesn't work that way. he'll go 9:00 and 4:10 and no one in the state can f*ck with either of those times. END OF STORY.

[20inchrimz]

You honestly think whoever that was last year believed Hutch was going to win everything? He was just some douche from our team who felt like making fun of him. We love Hutch around here, but we arent ignorant enough to say things like that.


alex hutchins is 4 foot one

[WB Regulator]

I'm not sure how one race at state in cross country indicates that macnamara isn't awesome. he cruised to a win, and was never even challenged. we all know he could've run another 4-8 seconds faster if someone was around, but he was like 150 meters ahead of everyone. The fact that during xc season he ran a 8:56 times trial, and has already gone 4:12 is what counts. not some unchallenged race. Popejoy and Luciano are great runners, but they are not 8:55 or 4:10 runners. they just won't run that fast. SORRY, but they will have to wait until next year. cause if mac runs his 9:02 and 4:11 he'll be wearing two gold medals in may. i just look at it in terms of times. he can run those times, the others can't. people want to break it down and compare withrow and EMac and sean, but it doesn't work that way. he'll go 9:00 and 4:10 and no one in the state can f*ck with either of those times. END OF STORY.

Id be surprised if he ran both of those at state. To say no one can "f*ck" with those times is stupid, if luck was healthy i know he could have. And pope is runnin pretty well. And dont forget, mac is hurtin right now. No one really knows how well his training is going.

[Gump]

Id be surprised if he ran both of those at state. To say no one can "f*ck" with those times is stupid, if luck was healthy i know he could have. And pope is runnin pretty well. And dont forget, mac is hurtin right now. No one really knows how well his training is going.
I agree. I think that popejoy and luciano could definately run somewhere around those times, luciano in the mile especially if he's not doubling. Plus, what if it's crazy windy the day of the race, or just really shotty weather? Mac would be even less guaranteed of a double title, unless he can pull a withrow at the end of each race.

[nacho]

Picking anyone other than him is plain STUPID

Well what's the fun of discussing/predicting state outcomes in these races if everyone just assumes that one kid is gonna win it all? I personally think that Mac will win both of those races, but it is by no means a shoe-in. It ruins the discussion if you refuse to believe that anyone else can win, and call people stupid for thinking so.

[Johnny Cash]

alex hutchins is 4 foot one

Although you'd have to slouch a bit (he's actually about 5'5), why don't you tell him that to his face tomorrow night at the loaded Rock Island Invite? Even if you did he's too nice of a kid to say anything back.

[letsgo]

exactly, im not saying he wont win, im not saying he is, im just saying not a shoe in at all, like i said before with track state last year, he didnt run his own race and he was goin in with a 4:12.9 time, he should of won that race hands down but he sat, if he does something like that in the mile, i wouldnt be surprised if someone like luciano hangs onto him and in the two mile, popejoy can definately give him a problem

[Fast4]

You know what I think, I think people are bored of picking York. they rather assume some "darkhorse" will win it all then make logical predictions. going into the xc state meet, i'm pretty sure only luciano and kuphall(in a dual meet) were able to really break up the dettmans and have a chance to push the dettmans apart at state. but some people still had suggested that the twins would finish like 8th or 10th, some people even thought they be in the teens. but that's because people are bored. people are bored of the fact that Billhardt, Arnold, Macnamara, and Kuczwara have barely run a race, yet york still has 3 of the top 4-5 mile times in the state. people are bored with the fact that justin jones and marchese are running 4:28's as the 10th fastest guys on their team. and that's why no one is talking about the dettmans. because everyone is tired of york. well TOO BAD. the dettmans have gone 4:17-18 which is tops in the state and 1:56 already, and they are clearly not as good as mac. and macnamara is CLEARLY the favorite in both races. Telling me luciano would give him a run for his money is a JOKE. if macnamara loses either one of those races, it's either due to injury or sickness the day of the meet. something has to be seriously wrong with him, for either of those guys to have a chance. luciano had run what 4:21 so far this year. mac ran 4:14 after run a nice easy 9:18 and a leg on the 4 X 800. nobody wants to be told "no it can't be done" cause everyone wants to feel like they have a shot, and that's great. but give it a rest, macnamara is at an entirely different caliber then the rest of these guys. to say popejoy or luciano has a "good shot" or will "be a problem" is wishful thinking at best.

[DirtyD]

I am simply going to say that the fact that you believe Luciano or Popejoy being of the same calibur is wishful thinking is a joke. Luciano proved how good he was last fall, and if he had not been injured, would have been 3rd at worst. Popejoy also is just as good. So next time you claim that these guys have no chance, check in with reality.

[PreLikedBeer]

You know what I think, I think people are bored of picking York. they rather assume some "darkhorse" will win it all then make logical predictions. going into the xc state meet, i'm pretty sure only luciano and kuphall(in a dual meet) were able to really break up the dettmans and have a chance to push the dettmans apart at state. but some people still had suggested that the twins would finish like 8th or 10th, some people even thought they be in the teens. but that's because people are bored. people are bored of the fact that Billhardt, Arnold, Macnamara, and Kuczwara have barely run a race, yet york still has 3 of the top 4-5 mile times in the state. people are bored with the fact that justin jones and marchese are running 4:28's as the 10th fastest guys on their team. and that's why no one is talking about the dettmans. because everyone is tired of york. well TOO BAD. the dettmans have gone 4:17-18 which is tops in the state and 1:56 already, and they are clearly not as good as mac. and macnamara is CLEARLY the favorite in both races. Telling me luciano would give him a run for his money is a JOKE. if macnamara loses either one of those races, it's either due to injury or sickness the day of the meet. something has to be seriously wrong with him, for either of those guys to have a chance. luciano had run what 4:21 so far this year. mac ran 4:14 after run a nice easy 9:18 and a leg on the 4 X 800. nobody wants to be told "no it can't be done" cause everyone wants to feel like they have a shot, and that's great. but give it a rest, macnamara is at an entirely different caliber then the rest of these guys. to say popejoy or luciano has a "good shot" or will "be a problem" is wishful thinking at best.
couldnt agree more. Fast4 is right on this. People, im sorry picking macnamara is boring and cliche, but nobody will win the mile other than mac, nobody. And to whoever said that a bad weather day would give mac a greater chance at losing the mile, it would actually help him, cuz nobody will be racing until the last lap, then mac will unleash a withrow like kick to burn all their asses. Mac is one of the best in the nation and has proved he can double.

[goin4-1337]

I'm not sure how one race at state in cross country indicates that macnamara isn't awesome. he cruised to a win, and was never even challenged. we all know he could've run another 4-8 seconds faster if someone was around, but he was like 150 meters ahead of everyone. The fact that during xc season he ran a 8:56 times trial, and has already gone 4:12 is what counts. not some unchallenged race. Popejoy and Luciano are great runners, but they are not 8:55 or 4:10 runners. they just won't run that fast. SORRY, but they will have to wait until next year. cause if mac runs his 9:02 and 4:11 he'll be wearing two gold medals in may. i just look at it in terms of times. he can run those times, the others can't. people want to break it down and compare withrow and EMac and sean, but it doesn't work that way. he'll go 9:00 and 4:10 and no one in the state can f*ck with either of those times. END OF STORY.
saying no one can f#uck with those times is one of the stupidest comments ive ever heard on these boards, i guarentee pope or lucky will be under 9 by the end of the year, you guys are way to macnamara attactched

[Gump]

couldnt agree more. Fast4 is right on this. People, im sorry picking macnamara is boring and cliche, but nobody will win the mile other than mac, nobody. And to whoever said that a bad weather day would give mac a greater chance at losing the mile, it would actually help him, cuz nobody will be racing until the last lap, then mac will unleash a withrow like kick to burn all their asses. Mac is one of the best in the nation and has proved he can double.

I said the thing about the weather, but i did also say "unless he can pull a withrow." I think if he's healthy, Mac will win both, but i still think luciano and popejoy could give him a run for his money.

[Zoso]

You know what I think, I think people are bored of picking York. they rather assume some "darkhorse" will win it all then make logical predictions. going into the xc state meet, i'm pretty sure only luciano and kuphall(in a dual meet) were able to really break up the dettmans and have a chance to push the dettmans apart at state. but some people still had suggested that the twins would finish like 8th or 10th, some people even thought they be in the teens. but that's because people are bored. people are bored of the fact that Billhardt, Arnold, Macnamara, and Kuczwara have barely run a race, yet york still has 3 of the top 4-5 mile times in the state. people are bored with the fact that justin jones and marchese are running 4:28's as the 10th fastest guys on their team. and that's why no one is talking about the dettmans. because everyone is tired of york. well TOO BAD. the dettmans have gone 4:17-18 which is tops in the state and 1:56 already, and they are clearly not as good as mac. and macnamara is CLEARLY the favorite in both races. Telling me luciano would give him a run for his money is a JOKE. if macnamara loses either one of those races, it's either due to injury or sickness the day of the meet. something has to be seriously wrong with him, for either of those guys to have a chance. luciano had run what 4:21 so far this year. mac ran 4:14 after run a nice easy 9:18 and a leg on the 4 X 800. nobody wants to be told "no it can't be done" cause everyone wants to feel like they have a shot, and that's great. but give it a rest, macnamara is at an entirely different caliber then the rest of these guys. to say popejoy or luciano has a "good shot" or will "be a problem" is wishful thinking at best.

You're making me hate York more and more with each sentence.

[fentonfreshman]

Mac's got the same chance of losing that Withrow did last year.

[PreLikedBeer]

You're making me hate York more and more with each sentence.
Why, because they are that good, and it sucks that every year they win xc and always have many guys in the top distance events? And this year wont be any different? Well then I guess thats too bad for you.

Mac's got the same chance of losing that Withrow did last year.
^^

[idontgetit14]

You know what I think, I think people are bored of picking York. they rather assume some "darkhorse" will win it all then make logical predictions. going into the xc state meet, i'm pretty sure only luciano and kuphall(in a dual meet) were able to really break up the dettmans and have a chance to push the dettmans apart at state. but some people still had suggested that the twins would finish like 8th or 10th, some people even thought they be in the teens. but that's because people are bored. people are bored of the fact that Billhardt, Arnold, Macnamara, and Kuczwara have barely run a race, yet york still has 3 of the top 4-5 mile times in the state. people are bored with the fact that justin jones and marchese are running 4:28's as the 10th fastest guys on their team. and that's why no one is talking about the dettmans. because everyone is tired of york. well TOO BAD. the dettmans have gone 4:17-18 which is tops in the state and 1:56 already, and they are clearly not as good as mac. and macnamara is CLEARLY the favorite in both races. Telling me luciano would give him a run for his money is a JOKE. if macnamara loses either one of those races, it's either due to injury or sickness the day of the meet. something has to be seriously wrong with him, for either of those guys to have a chance. luciano had run what 4:21 so far this year. mac ran 4:14 after run a nice easy 9:18 and a leg on the 4 X 800. nobody wants to be told "no it can't be done" cause everyone wants to feel like they have a shot, and that's great. but give it a rest, macnamara is at an entirely different caliber then the rest of these guys. to say popejoy or luciano has a "good shot" or will "be a problem" is wishful thinking at best.

I have to agree with you here. York is gona do good at state. They always do. They always rise to the occasion. They train for the state series alone. They don't care about duals or invites prior to state. And they still always win those anyways. There whole team is good. To not think that Mac will win whatever race he's in is crazy(as long as he's healthy...no injurys or no illness). he is clearly the number one pick. And the Dettmans will not finish in the teens. No way. Lucy won't win state this year, but he'll be favored for next year. XC and track both.

[letsgo]

ok im not gonna say that york doesnt show up at state, cause they always do, but not one single person on this post can say that anyone in the past 15 year besides DON SAGE has peaked or hit a personal best at state, and by saying that u telling me that if and when mac probably wont run his best race of the year, that if popejoy or luciano peak perfectly at state they cant hang with mac, then ur out of ur mind and also, last year in cross, mactaggart wasnt near the xc runner macnamara was but he still was all over macs ass in the two mile, with a faster time! and macnamara barely outkicked him at the downers grove south in the mile and mactaggart has much less leg speed , now can anyone say that a good runner cant come out of the shadow and challenge mac?

[point-eight-k]

Popejoy and Luciano are great runners, but they are not 8:55 or 4:10 runners. they just won't run that fast. SORRY, but they will have to wait until next year.
Says who. That's a severe dicredit to both of them.

I'm not sure how one race at state in cross country indicates that macnamara isn't awesome......he can run those times, the others can't.....no one in the state can f*ck with either of those times. END OF STORY.
So.....are you two gonna get a room together or what?

[Gump]

ok im not gonna say that york doesnt show up at state, cause they always do, but not one single person on this post can say that anyone in the past 15 year besides DON SAGE has peaked or hit a personal best at state, and by saying that u telling me that if and when mac probably wont run his best race of the year, that if popejoy or luciano peak perfectly at state they cant hang with mac, then ur out of ur mind
The problem with this is that you are saying that no one has peaked at state besides Sage, which has no basis at all, and then you are banking on two guys to do it in the same year. Not a very good point.

[PreLikedBeer]

So.....are you two gonna get a room together or what?
I love when people cant thing of anything to say and resort to low blows like that.

[Zoso]

Why, because they are that good, and it sucks that every year they win xc and always have many guys in the top distance events? And this year wont be any different? Well then I guess thats too bad for you.


^^

No, that's not why. He only talks about the good stuff York does; never the bad things. How about mentioning that they don't give good tips at restaurants, or how they don't wash their hands after using the bathroom.

[point-eight-k]

I love when people cant thing of anything to say and resort to low blows like that.

Oh. I know exactly what to say. He's in love. :eek:

[letsgo]

wat are u talking about, thats a perfect point, its proven that all the york runners have run their best times at meets in season like prospect or downers grove south, the only thing that consistently peaks every year is the 4x8 team but individually there is no one, im not taking anything away from york but u guys are seriously underestimating other people like luciano and popejoy, i mean we dont even kno what they could of done healthy and rested in cross cause popejoy was sick all year and luciano didnt even run state with that foot problem

[PreLikedBeer]

No, that's not why. He only talks about the good stuff York does; never the bad things. How about mentioning that they don't give good tips at restaurants, or how they don't wash their hands after using the bathroom.
ha if this is true that is kinda rude and sick...but that has nothing to do with running so....yeah doesnt really fit in with the aruguement.

[Zoso]

ha if this is true that is kinda rude and sick...but that has nothing to do with running so....yeah doesnt really fit in with the aruguement.

touché

[idontgetit14]

ha if this is true that is kinda rude and sick...but that has nothing to do with running so....yeah doesnt really fit in with the aruguement.


what are you taling about?? It fits in fine. He's sayin that they never fault and when they do, it has nothing to do with running.

[PreLikedBeer]

what are you taling about?? It fits in fine. He's sayin that they never fault and when they do, it has nothing to do with running.
right now were talking about mac's possibility to win the double at state, and not tiping and not wiping has nothing to do with it.

[Gump]

what are you taling about?? It fits in fine. He's sayin that they never fault and when they do, it has nothing to do with running.
Is not tipping someone gonna make Mac slower or something?

[DirtyD]

Aside from Macnamara who does everyone think will be the top distance guys or any other event for that matter?

[Gump]

Durrell for sure in the 800. Adam harris in every other event.

[DirtyD]

I originally said York was a shoe-in for the 4X8, but does anyone think prospect or anyone else can push for the win?

[merun4fun]

I originally said York was a shoe-in for the 4X8, but does anyone think prospect or anyone else can push for the win?

dont count out LT if they stack it

[mile relay 4x4]

People on this thread are not very well educated if you really think that Mac, or any runner for that matter, will "for sure" win an event...as of right now, Mac is hurt and supposedly not running, so for all of those people who said "The only way Mac doesn't win is if he gets hurt," there you go. Another thing is York distance runners didn't run one P.R. at state last year...i've talked to one of them (won't say who) about state, and they admitted that that basically the whole team started going downhill the week before conference. Not saying that'll happen this year, but many of the York runners are running extremely fast times for this early in the season and it kinda makes you wonder a little bit. As for Gump's post on Durrell "for sure" winning the 800, i think that's just a terrible guarantee. Just because he blew away the field last year in the 800, winning by a whole .16 over second place and less then .7 over 5th place...he's definately a sure winner. It seems a little odd that the same people giving Mac and others the sure win are the people (for the most part) who are A: already out of high school and follow track/cross country strictly by the message boards or B: runners who are planning on having their little camp-out at state rather than working to compete there. It's a good thing that Maier, the Dettman's, and any others around state who post on these boards and have a legit shot at pulling off an upset with the right training and a couple breaks (like an injury/bad race/poor peaking/crappy strategy/2nd event of the day) aren't agreeing with those who conceed to the belief that York is God and cannot be touched. Completely not true, especially on the track. I have great respect for York and I happen to know a few of their runners pretty well, but there is definately such a thing as too much credit and overestimating. To disgregard an elite runner in the state for pulling off an upset is a very unintelligent statement.

[PreLikedBeer]

i agree with u that durrell is not a guarentee at all in the 800,

but unless mac is injured(which i guess he is), he has a 99% chance of winning he two mile. Of course people have a chance...but that chance is 1%. Sorry i dont see Popejoy or tom deberge beating thee sean macnamara.

[Gump]

You're right my guarantee of durrell was uneducated, but maybe i just think he's that good. i have seen him run a few times, and he always seems to win, regardless of the margin. i wasn't even completely serious in my post, anyway. Notice how i jokingly said Adam Harris in every other event?

[Track and Field]

People on this thread are not very well educated if you really think that Mac, or any runner for that matter, will "for sure" win an event...as of right now, Mac is hurt and supposedly not running, so for all of those people who said "The only way Mac doesn't win is if he gets hurt," there you go. Another thing is York distance runners didn't run one P.R. at state last year...i've talked to one of them (won't say who) about state, and they admitted that that basically the whole team started going downhill the week before conference. Not saying that'll happen this year, but many of the York runners are running extremely fast times for this early in the season and it kinda makes you wonder a little bit. As for Gump's post on Durrell "for sure" winning the 800, i think that's just a terrible guarantee. Just because he blew away the field last year in the 800, winning by a whole .16 over second place and less then .7 over 5th place...he's definately a sure winner. It seems a little odd that the same people giving Mac and others the sure win are the people (for the most part) who are A: already out of high school and follow track/cross country strictly by the message boards or B: runners who are planning on having their little camp-out at state rather than working to compete there. It's a good thing that Maier, the Dettman's, and any others around state who post on these boards and have a legit shot at pulling off an upset with the right training and a couple breaks (like an injury/bad race/poor peaking/crappy strategy/2nd event of the day) aren't agreeing with those who conceed to the belief that York is God and cannot be touched. Completely not true, especially on the track. I have great respect for York and I happen to know a few of their runners pretty well, but there is definately such a thing as too much credit and overestimating. To disgregard an elite runner in the state for pulling off an upset is a very unintelligent statement.

Bingo, you are the winner. Close this thread

[PreLikedBeer]

I am arguing that a 100% Mac will never lose either races. You guys are trying to say that when he is hurt, someone can pull the upset, which i agree on. BUt a typical Mac wont lose.

[point-eight-k]

Bingo, you are the winner. Close this thread


Good call.

It was a fairly good thread until people ruined it by saying that certain runners are "unstoppable". It's just not valid to say that on a thread that's supposed to be open to opinion.

Just to sum up my end of the argument: Anyone who's ever ran in or saw a state meet in either track or >CC-> knows that state is always a time for upsets just waiting to happen. That's what makes it exciting!

Coming on here any saying "Oh he's so great, oh he's unbeatable, he won't lose, I bet you 1000 dollars"---sounds really bad, and it defeats the purpose of discussing th epossibilities at state.

Let's start respecting others opinions on here a little more.

Close this thread.



I say close it.

[DirtyD]

t seems a little odd that the same people giving Mac and others the sure win are the people (for the most part) A: already out of high school and follow track/cross country strictly by the message boards or B: runners who are planning on having their little camp-out at state rather than working to compete there.I don't think that's a necessarily true statement. There are college people focused on the board who made fairly educated predictions, whereas there are people still in high school who are competing to try and make the slow heats at state who are completely blind and assume every year the man who wins state XC has to win the mile and two mile. Contrary to popular beliefs; no matter how good you are, that is a difficult thing to accomplish. For the most part I follow strictly on the boards because I am out of civilization, but I do scavenge through newspapers for results and talk to guys from back at school, so I get info. And I know there's others like me. All I am saying is the statement you made, I agree with, but you really pushed it when there are only a few people who are saying anyone is a shoe-in to win. I originally said that with York (who many people will claim I am biased against) yet I did realize there are other 4X8 who are running just as well. So Maier, just settle down is all I am saying. Spread the love.

Edit: and I do realize you said "for the most part" in brackets, but eh, you still sounded angry in your post is all I am saying.

[milerkick]

I don't think that's a necessarily true statement. There are college people focused on the board who made fairly educated predictions, whereas there are people still in high school who are competing to try and make the slow heats at state who are completely blind and assume every year the man who wins state XC has to win the mile and two mile. Contrary to popular beliefs; no matter how good you are, that is a difficult thing to accomplish. For the most part I follow strictly on the boards because I am out of civilization, but I do scavenge through newspapers for results and talk to guys from back at school, so I get info. And I know there's others like me. All I am saying is the statement you made, I agree with, but you really pushed it when there are only a few people who are saying anyone is a shoe-in to win. I originally said that with York (who many people will claim I am biased against) yet I did realize there are other 4X8 who are running just as well. So Maier, just settle down is all I am saying. Spread the love.

Edit: and I do realize you said "for the most part" in brackets, but eh, you still sounded angry in your post is all I am saying.

DirtyD, I agree with you on this one. I'm out of civilization too, but it's not too hard to keep up with what's going on if you try.Also, if you eliminate the people from groups A & B, you're basically left with Mac's competitors. I would HOPE they're not conceding the victories to Mac.

Are you sure mile relay 4X4 is Maier? I thought he was 2 milerelay or something like that.

[Fast4]

I am simply going to say that the fact that you believe Luciano or Popejoy being of the same calibur is wishful thinking is a joke. Luciano proved how good he was last fall, and if he had not been injured, would have been 3rd at worst. Popejoy also is just as good. So next time you claim that these guys have no chance, check in with reality.

DIFFERENT CALIBER, END OF STORY. people are absolutely retarded. one thread is talking about mac getting close to 4 flat, and the other is about luciano taking him in the mile. a healthy mac can run 8:50 and 4:08-10. anyone who is going to claim either popejoy or luciano is capable of running either of those times is just plain full of sh*t. If they aren't different caliber, then i suppose luciano and popejoy are good enough to win NTN's too right? cause macnamara didn't beat luciano by 23 seconds at regionals and 22 seconds at sectionals. is that DIFFERENT CALIBER enough for you? there is a difference between a really quality runner, and a national class runner. luciano and popejoy are very good, and maybe next year they could be national class. but mac is elite. he was a footlocker favorite for chr*st sake. had his worst race of the year and still finished 12th. so telling me luciano with his big stud 4:21 is in the same class makes you look ignorant. like i said before, no one likes to be told "this can't happen" or "no he can't do this" because everyone wants to believe they have a chance at state. but he holds his fate in his own hands. if he runs healthy and up to par, no one in the state cant touch him. i don't know why people are having such a difficult time accepting the fact that no one in the state is at the same elite level. i mean, if i am so wrong then please tell me what popejoy/luciano and everyone else in the state has done to prove capable? here's what mac has done:
run 9:00 at prospect, 9:07 at state, and 8:56 in a time trial during xc season. he went 4:12 last year in track, and 4:14 indoors this year. we know he's capable of somewhere around 1:55. He won NTN's and finished 12th at FL even after a pretty awful race. He ran 14:28 at the new detweiler course which is equal to about 14:16 on the old course. in keller's senior year he only ran 14:23. beat luciano by 23 and 22 seconds during cross country.

you tell me how close luciano/popejoy are to that. someone please enlighten me. this guaranteed sub 9:00 for luciano. a JOKE. facts are cold and hard. and not something the 2nd/3rd place guys want to look at. TOO BAD.

[Mr. Powers]

DirtyD, I agree with you on this one. I'm out of civilization too, but it's not too hard to keep up with what's going on if you try.Also, if you eliminate the people from groups A & B, you're basically left with Mac's competitors. I would HOPE they're not conceding the victories to Mac.

Are you sure mile relay 4X4 is Maier? I thought he was 2 milerelay or something like that.
DirtyD is wrong as hell as usual. Maier is 2milerelay not milerelay4x4

[DirtyD]

DirtyD is wrong as hell as usual. Maier is 2milerelay not milerelay4x4oh no, i'll get over being wrong about who it is. My argument still says you guys are idiots.

[Track and Field]

DIFFERENT CALIBER, END OF STORY. people are absolutely retarded. one thread is talking about mac getting close to 4 flat, and the other is about luciano taking him in the mile. a healthy mac can run 8:50 and 4:08-10. anyone who is going to claim either popejoy or luciano is capable of running either of those times is just plain full of sh*t. If they aren't different caliber, then i suppose luciano and popejoy are good enough to win NTN's too right? cause macnamara didn't beat luciano by 23 seconds at regionals and 22 seconds at sectionals. is that DIFFERENT CALIBER enough for you? there is a difference between a really quality runner, and a national class runner. luciano and popejoy are very good, and maybe next year they could be national class. but mac is elite. he was a footlocker favorite for chr*st sake. had his worst race of the year and still finished 12th. so telling me luciano with his big stud 4:21 is in the same class makes you look ignorant. like i said before, no one likes to be told "this can't happen" or "no he can't do this" because everyone wants to believe they have a chance at state. but he holds his fate in his own hands. if he runs healthy and up to par, no one in the state cant touch him. i don't know why people are having such a difficult time accepting the fact that no one in the state is at the same elite level. i mean, if i am so wrong then please tell me what popejoy/luciano and everyone else in the state has done to prove capable? here's what mac has done:
run 9:00 at prospect, 9:07 at state, and 8:56 in a time trial during xc season. he went 4:12 last year in track, and 4:14 indoors this year. we know he's capable of somewhere around 1:55. He won NTN's and finished 12th at FL even after a pretty awful race. He ran 14:28 at the new detweiler course which is equal to about 14:16 on the old course. in keller's senior year he only ran 14:23. beat luciano by 23 and 22 seconds during cross country.

you tell me how close luciano/popejoy are to that. someone please enlighten me. this guaranteed sub 9:00 for luciano. a JOKE. facts are cold and hard. and not something the 2nd/3rd place guys want to look at. TOO BAD.

Mr. Angry York Man returns.... Is it really necessary to call people names that don't agree with you? You really need to settle down

[PreLikedBeer]

DIFFERENT CALIBER, END OF STORY. people are absolutely retarded. one thread is talking about mac getting close to 4 flat, and the other is about luciano taking him in the mile. a healthy mac can run 8:50 and 4:08-10. anyone who is going to claim either popejoy or luciano is capable of running either of those times is just plain full of sh*t. If they aren't different caliber, then i suppose luciano and popejoy are good enough to win NTN's too right? cause macnamara didn't beat luciano by 23 seconds at regionals and 22 seconds at sectionals. is that DIFFERENT CALIBER enough for you? there is a difference between a really quality runner, and a national class runner. luciano and popejoy are very good, and maybe next year they could be national class. but mac is elite. he was a footlocker favorite for chr*st sake. had his worst race of the year and still finished 12th. so telling me luciano with his big stud 4:21 is in the same class makes you look ignorant. like i said before, no one likes to be told "this can't happen" or "no he can't do this" because everyone wants to believe they have a chance at state. but he holds his fate in his own hands. if he runs healthy and up to par, no one in the state cant touch him. i don't know why people are having such a difficult time accepting the fact that no one in the state is at the same elite level. i mean, if i am so wrong then please tell me what popejoy/luciano and everyone else in the state has done to prove capable? here's what mac has done:
run 9:00 at prospect, 9:07 at state, and 8:56 in a time trial during xc season. he went 4:12 last year in track, and 4:14 indoors this year. we know he's capable of somewhere around 1:55. He won NTN's and finished 12th at FL even after a pretty awful race. He ran 14:28 at the new detweiler course which is equal to about 14:16 on the old course. in keller's senior year he only ran 14:23. beat luciano by 23 and 22 seconds during cross country.

you tell me how close luciano/popejoy are to that. someone please enlighten me. this guaranteed sub 9:00 for luciano. a JOKE. facts are cold and hard. and not something the 2nd/3rd place guys want to look at. TOO BAD.
Fast4 is right as usual. I love how u noticed the contradiction on how people say 'why can't mac go 4 flat or close to it?'... but some of the same people are also saying how he might just lose the mile.

Mac is on the same level withrow was his senior year. Mac might not be better than withrow, well he actually might be putting better times up in track,he might not be the same talent, but he has dominated xc AND track just like withrow did. Kinda like last years mile... I loved when people always said how McCann had a chance to win the mile last year. Of course he had a chance...but anybody smart would know he had one person in his way....WITHROW! Withrow's talent was just that incredibly that he could double an 855 and beat a fresh mccann in the mile no matter what. McCann had little chance this year, and so does everyone else against mac this year. Mac is not unstoppable, but close to it. Of course an unhealthy/injured mac could lose a race...but in these situations we can only talk about people being 100%. A 100% luciano will never beat a 100% mac. he is that special of a runner. He has beaten everyone in illinois by a lot in illinois in all events, even luciano, and he could do it again.

"Coming on here any saying "Oh he's so great, oh he's unbeatable, he won't lose, I bet you 1000 dollars"---sounds really bad, and it defeats the purpose of discussing th epossibilities at state."

That statement is somewhat wrong. I agree it ruins the fun of arguing, but sometimes facts are facts and sometimes there is gonna be that special someone who is just head over heels above everyone else.


And im not calling anyone a retard for their opinion so dont get mad at me.

[goin4-1337]

Fast4 is right as usual. I love how u noticed the contradiction on how people say 'why can't mac go 4 flat or close to it?'... but some of the same people are also saying how he might just lose the mile.

Mac is on the same level withrow was his senior year. Mac might not be better than withrow, well he actually might be putting better times up in track,he might not be the same talent, but he has dominated xc AND track just like withrow did. Kinda like last years mile... I loved when people always said how McCann had a chance to win the mile last year. Of course he had a chance...but anybody smart would know he had one person in his way....WITHROW! Withrow's talent was just that incredibly that he could double an 855 and beat a fresh mccann in the mile no matter what. McCann had little chance this year, and so does everyone else against mac this year. Mac is not unstoppable, but close to it. Of course an unhealthy/injured mac could lose a race...but in these situations we can only talk about people being 100%. A 100% luciano will never beat a 100% mac. he is that special of a runner. He has beaten everyone in illinois by a lot in illinois in all events, even luciano, and he could do it again.

"Coming on here any saying "Oh he's so great, oh he's unbeatable, he won't lose, I bet you 1000 dollars"---sounds really bad, and it defeats the purpose of discussing th epossibilities at state."

That statement is somewhat wrong. I agree it ruins the fun of arguing, but sometimes facts are facts and sometimes there is gonna be that special someone who is just head over heels above everyone else.


And im not calling anyone a retard for their opinion so dont get mad at me.

see thats where i disagree with you, withorw after racing the duece could not of beaten a "smart" mccann, thats where mccann went bad, he let them take it out so slow he didn't have a chance, if he took it out fast, like say 2:05 i dont think withrow would have had a chance

[xcmcvey]

see thats where i disagree with you, withorw after racing the duece could not of beaten a "smart" mccann, thats where mccann went bad, he let them take it out so slow he didn't have a chance, if he took it out fast, like say 2:05 i dont think withrow would have had a chance

now that is just plain wrong, becuase mcann hands down had better speed than withrow, so maybe he wanted it to be a kickers race cus he knew he could run both a faster 800, and 400 than withrow. he misjudged, and withrow won.

[fentonfreshman]

Withrow had that race won. No matter what kind of race it was, he was going to win. Willy Mac did nothing wrong, the pace was slow and it was a kickers race. NOBODY expected Withrow to throw down like what he did in that last lap.

To say that Popejoy/Lucky will beat Mac is a joke. Nobody's mentioned how fragile those two have been in the past couple of seasons. Big Pope put up the same type of times his junior year and never came close to winning at state. Now that Lucky has mono, he's out too. I'd say that Craven and the Dettmen have a better shot of winning than Luck/Pope.

[run2win]

mike popejoy ran faster his soph year when he was 7th in the two mile only 7 sec. behind Micah. Than he had an amazing string of bad luck including last season when he ran on a stress fracture for the last month of the season and could not run from Memorial Day until August. His senior year he had some solid times, including a 4:20 indoors at IPTT and a 9:15 at the County meet where he beat Dan Curran w/ the stress fracture.

On a side note, too bad Luciano has mono. Any more word on Mac's "stress reaction". Unless the Yorkies respond to this question definiteively one way or the other, people will start to assume the worst and post it. Let us know so that no wild rumors get started and consume everyone.

[greenman]

In the Elmhurst Press write up on the DGS meet, Coach Reddell said that he held out several top runners (no names were given) due to minor injuries. He also said that they could have run, but he didn't feel they were needed for this meet.

[WB Regulator]

Fast4 is right as usual. I love how u noticed the contradiction on how people say 'why can't mac go 4 flat or close to it?'... but some of the same people are also saying how he might just lose the mile.

Mac is on the same level withrow was his senior year. Mac might not be better than withrow, well he actually might be putting better times up in track,he might not be the same talent, but he has dominated xc AND track just like withrow did. Kinda like last years mile... I loved when people always said how McCann had a chance to win the mile last year. Of course he had a chance...but anybody smart would know he had one person in his way....WITHROW! Withrow's talent was just that incredibly that he could double an 855 and beat a fresh mccann in the mile no matter what. McCann had little chance this year, and so does everyone else against mac this year. Mac is not unstoppable, but close to it. Of course an unhealthy/injured mac could lose a race...but in these situations we can only talk about people being 100%. A 100% luciano will never beat a 100% mac. he is that special of a runner. He has beaten everyone in illinois by a lot in illinois in all events, even luciano, and he could do it again.

"Coming on here any saying "Oh he's so great, oh he's unbeatable, he won't lose, I bet you 1000 dollars"---sounds really bad, and it defeats the purpose of discussing th epossibilities at state."

That statement is somewhat wrong. I agree it ruins the fun of arguing, but sometimes facts are facts and sometimes there is gonna be that special someone who is just head over heels above everyone else.


And im not calling anyone a retard for their opinion so dont get mad at me.

Are you talking about a 100% mac that is not doubling? If they were both fresh for the one mile i would say mac would take jesse, however IFFF they were both 100% but mac already ran the 2 then i think luck would beat him. Jesses workouts were disgusting and if you saw his races he was laughing after all of em. Wasnt really challenged. yall prolly think im biased like a mother but i really think he coulda taken the mile.

[daman]

He couldn't do it last year, Mac doubled back at state running 9:07 then got 3rd in the 1600 while Luciano finished 11th fresh. I'll admit Luciano had improved, but so has Mac. I think Mac's 1600 pr is still almost 8 seconds faster, and he ran that pr last year.

[DirtyD]

Are you talking about a 100% mac that is not doubling? If they were both fresh for the one mile i would say mac would take jesse, however IFFF they were both 100% but mac already ran the 2 then i think luck would beat him. Jesses workouts were disgusting and if you saw his races he was laughing after all of em. Wasnt really challenged. yall prolly think im biased like a mother but i really think he coulda taken the mile.If anyone thinks Klatt is biased, I will throw in an unbiased statement saying I agree whole heartedly. I was in high school two years watching Luciano and I followed his results this year. luciano is a powerful runner, and in a mile, if it came down to a kick, I'd put my money on Luciano any day of the week.

[daman]

Mac's pr:

4:12 run last year.

Luciano's pr:

4:21 this year.

Sorry, just can't see him beating Mac.

[mile relay 4x4]

now that is just plain wrong, becuase mcann hands down had better speed than withrow, so maybe he wanted it to be a kickers race cus he knew he could run both a faster 800, and 400 than withrow. he misjudged, and withrow won.

I disagree- would have been a totally different race and running sub 9 and sub 4:12 in the same day makes it a lot harder than hammering the last 300 of a race (in the mile). Not saying McCann would have won, but as i sat there watchin the mile at state, i was smiling the whole time because that was the exact race Matt wanted/needed to pull off the triple crown.

[xcviking07]

xcmcvey is right. McCann went into the race knowing that he had better speed than Withrow in a 400 and 800, especially since he had already run a 9 minute 32. I'm not saying McCann would've won because Withrow had an amazing kick, but it surprised McCann that he took off so early and he couldn't make up enough ground in the end.