Watches now allowed in NY XC meets!? [Archive]

spittler

10-22-2008, 07:36 PM

I was told this by two different coaches today, and at a meet yesterday I observed multiple athletes wearing them during the race and none were DQ'ed. The coaches said the rule just went into affect yesterday. Are the coaches mistaken or is this a new rule?

Redfield

10-22-2008, 07:53 PM

It's been a rule for my whole high school career at least (3+ years).

Runslikeajohndeere

10-22-2008, 07:56 PM

It's been a rule for my whole high school career at least (3+ years).

No watches allowed since I coached at Penfield 1993 to 2004, and I believe we could not wear watches during the 80's. Let me check state regulations...and edit soon I hope...after I get youngest asleep.;)

spittler

10-22-2008, 07:58 PM

No watches allowed since I coached at Penfield 1993 to 2004, and I believe we could not wear watches during the 80's. Let me check state regulations...and edit soon I hope...after I get youngest asleep.;)

Well I know that they haven't been allowed in the past as they fall under the no jewelry rule... but from what I have been hearing an exception was just made for watches yesterday.

10mexicans

10-22-2008, 08:09 PM

This rule seems right.
I always wondered in the past why NY'ers werent allowed to use them.
It doesnt give any advantage because as McCain states, a watch is economically friendly to all.
Good idea for the change.
I heard Obama was the one that suggested the rule modification...

But really though...I do wonder why they wanted the change...

flyingscotsman10

10-22-2008, 08:16 PM

according to the section VIII website the rule has gone into effect

http://www.sectionviiixctf.com/CrossCountry08/CONF-WATCHESREMINDER08.pdf

mdCHAMPAGNE

10-22-2008, 08:24 PM

I don't like wearing watches when i race... but thats just me.

HINKLO

10-22-2008, 08:39 PM

I don't like wearing watches when i race... but thats just me.

Truth

10mexicans

10-22-2008, 08:45 PM

I don't like wearing watches when i race... but thats just me.

How would you know...it was banzored b4...

Unless you went out of state.
If so, links or shens.

chriscross92

10-22-2008, 08:49 PM

im assuming this rule is constant throughout all sections?

to0och

10-22-2008, 08:51 PM

I don't like wearing watches when i race... but thats just me.

Truth

QFsame. That said, if everyone else was wearing a watch I would feel like I was at a disadvantage without one, so I would probably wear one.

Two thumbs down, IMO.

It would be interesting to hear why...

bandcamp007

10-22-2008, 08:57 PM

im not likin this at all

mdCHAMPAGNE

10-22-2008, 08:59 PM

Well i feel like i would be looking at it the whole race... like what i do in my normal runs... so i am not liking it either...

g2g4gold

10-22-2008, 09:00 PM

i dont like watches because you shouldnt be worrying about time, you should be racing kids. if you win, the time will come with it.

spittler

10-22-2008, 09:06 PM

This appears to be a new rule. I think I would like wearing a watch for my races, but my concern is that ill-informed officials would try to DQ me. It really isn't a risk that I want to take in a meet like sectionals, so I probably wont even though I would like to.

nyrunner09

10-22-2008, 09:08 PM

for championship type races i definitely wouldn't wear a watch. but for a meet like my county meet where its only 3miles it's convenient to get my splits accurately you know. but at meets like states feds flne i don't see the need for it since your not going for a time your just doing your best to win the race. Either way it doesnt matter, because even in those championship races if a kid is busy looking at his watch then that is just one more advantage that i may have against him.

chriscross92

10-22-2008, 09:08 PM

yea i have my county championships tommorow at VCP, im debating wheter to wear it or not. What do u guys think?

10mexicans

10-22-2008, 09:25 PM

hahaha i love it.
Since i began running, ive heard kids bitching about how they should be able to wear a watch (which they should)
And once they institute the rule...kids dont wanna use them.

And I wore a watch last weekend at Brown, you look at it once, twice maybe 3 times all race just to see where you at.
Nobody constantly looks down, if you do, it obviously means your not concentrated enough.

bobdaily123

10-22-2008, 09:25 PM

Don't unless you know the mile and two mile marks. which at vcp who exactly knows? because i would like to know

JohnDeere

10-22-2008, 09:38 PM

i dont like watches because you shouldnt be worrying about time, you should be racing kids. if you win, the time will come with it.
Now that I'm in college, I was sort of excited to wear a watch during XC. But after trying it out for 2 races, I stopped wearing it because I found that splits were something far less important to think about during a race than everyone in front of you.

backtoback

10-22-2008, 10:32 PM

I'm sure someone like "dand" or another respected person in our sport can shed more light but a previous post questioned the reasoning. I heard it was partially because the arguement has been that technically watches are not even to be allowed in practice b/c it is a safety issue. That of course can not happen with Track & Field athletes. People argued that if they have been worn in practice, then why not meets? Well NYSPHSAA gave in and said okay, jewelry in competitions is allowable.
A higher up in NYS official Land did announce yesterday at a meet that watches are now allowed to be worn..

XC1800Dino

10-22-2008, 11:28 PM

well, hot diggity, i always thought that rule was dumb

what about the silly "coaches can't give splits" rule that some like to spout?

GirlsXC_coach

10-23-2008, 06:19 AM

well, hot diggity, i always thought that rule was dumb

what about the silly "coaches can't give splits" rule that some like to spout?

Coaches can give splits - they just have to give it to everyone.

dand

10-23-2008, 07:00 AM

backtoback

10-23-2008, 07:43 AM

spittler

10-23-2008, 12:12 PM

I just hope that all officials are made known of this rule change. I would hate to see people get dq'ed because of ill informed officials.

minde15

10-23-2008, 12:25 PM

they wouldnt get dq'd because you could just protest the dq under the new rules...

also i thought they should have had the watch rule thrown away a long time ago, it should be your choice whether or not you want to wear one, regardless if you use it to take your splits or not. I always wear my watch now in college, sometimes i take splits every mile, sometimes just total time, or sometimes none, it just really depends. at no point do i look down at my watch because we having ppl yelling out splits at every mile, they are just more for a guide after the race for me.

regardless, it is your personal choice and i see no need to restrict that freedom.

minde15

10-23-2008, 12:28 PM

It is indeed a fact, watches are now allowed during practice and meets for
cross country. The official request had been for all three seasons, but the
NYSPHSAA only passed it for xc!?! So now, you can wear watches in practice
and meets in xc, but legally can not wear them in practices or meets in
winter or spring track.

since when can you not wear watches for practices, that would not only a really stupid rule, but there is no way to enforce that. how do you think people time their runs and workouts.... and what are they going to do, tell someone they cant race because they wore a watch at practice? who's going to report the athletes that wear watches at practice, their own coach?

backtoback

10-23-2008, 12:33 PM

since when can you not wear watches for practices, that would not only a really stupid rule, but there is no way to enforce that. how do you think people time their runs and workouts.... and what are they going to do, tell someone they cant race because they wore a watch at practice? who's going to report the athletes that wear watches at practice, their own coach?

that's the point...it was a stupid rule that nobody knew about and is just simply impossible to enforce and would never happen but apparently it was written somewhere

XC1800Dino

10-23-2008, 04:29 PM

that's the point...it was a stupid rule that nobody knew about and is just simply impossible to enforce and would never happen but apparently it was written somewhere

my only question is this:

what IDIOT thought that one up?

meneldor

10-25-2008, 08:59 AM

I would guess 99% of coaches in NYS had (have) no idea there is a rule against wearing watches in practice.

mdCHAMPAGNE

10-25-2008, 07:11 PM

I would guess 99% of coaches in NYS had (have) no idea there is a rule against wearing watches in practice.

well my mother is my coach and she said she got an email from our section cordinator saying watches are allowed, but didn't tell my team because its to risky, we have a couple of shady officials

spittler

10-25-2008, 09:23 PM

I wore my watch today with no issues in leagues. I asked one of the officials before the race and he said I was all set to go. He said they have been having that debate for the 30 years he has been an official and that he was really surprised that they finally made a decision.

trackgirlie4eva

10-27-2008, 02:21 PM

well my mother is my coach and she said she got an email from our section cordinator saying watches are allowed, but didn't tell my team because its to risky, we have a couple of shady officials

RUSSIANS!

XC1800Dino

10-27-2008, 02:44 PM

our coach always hated watches, so didn't tell the team it was okay, however, when an athlete found out about it and mentioned it to her, she said she'd "heard a rumor about that"

one of 2 things is the case: either section v didn't send this out to coaches (seems less likely) or she outright lied and tried to avoid letting the kids know (seems more likely)

of course, section v has been known to be idiotic in the past

i also know a bunch of the Wayne (section v) girls hadn't heard the rule change, as they pointed out that some of our guys were wearing watches