Shen DMR

[Cannedheat]

just wondering could Shen put together a nice DMR team or do they have one that i just have not heard of yet

[Shen Rules]

On paper.

But on paper means nothing.

[Cannedheat]

thanks.. i know they lost alot of there old team (Phil Roach ect.) but i didnt know what kind of team they had this year.


btw yu go to Quinnipiac? cuz my sister does and she is good friends with Phil

[Shen Rules]

Ya I go to Quinnipiac, check your PMs.

[IrishBH]

Shen already ran 10;21 or so indoors.

[captainmath]

10:24 ;)

[Armstrong23]

1200 - Benson could post a 3:08 outdoors
400 - McRae could post 47.xx outdoors
800 - ?
1600 - Danny Mac could run a 4:08 outdoors

Who's the 800 guy?

[Homer Simpson]

i believe they use mcrae as the 800 guy, not sure who does the 4

[Scotty]

Shen is very good, but would be EXTREMELY fortunate to break 10:15.

10:05 is pure fantasy.

[tach44444]

either Middletown, OH, colts neck NJ or Newton North, MA will run sub 10:05 this year. i predict that.

[Canned Food]

1200 - Benson could post a 3:08 outdoors
400 - McRae could post 47.xx outdoors
800 - ?
1600 - Danny Mac could run a 4:08 outdoors

Who's the 800 guy?

with the recent sucess at putting dmac on anchor, id say he would lead off and not put the team in traffic

[Shen Rules]

Not a fantasy. Of course, not a very easy reality, either.


Thats a pretty sweet quote.

[PeterQuince]

Nonsense.

McRae split under 48 last year, and can routinely do so.

48 + 1:59 + 3:09 + 4:09 = 10:05

I'm not saying you're wrong, but has McRae really split under 48? I thought I read he was 48-point a lot. Sub-48, even on a relay, is flying.

But if Serfilippi (sp?) can run 52 or faster, I would put McRae on the 800. He's already run 1:54ish (hasn't he?) and I think that's where he can improve more.

1:52/1:53 + 52 = 1:44/1:45x
1:59 + 48 = 1:47

Just my own thoughts anyway.

But I agree with Shen Rules. Shen has the ability to go 10:05 or south of that...but that's amazingly difficult territory to creep into.

[minde15]

mcrae went 47.7 at penn last year (24.0 23.7 yes he did run negative) and im not positive but i believe he also split 47.xx indoors this year, i could be wrong about that though

gonyo who is about the same as serf in the 800 (has run 159 before) has already run a 51 i believe and should be able to run 50.xx by the end of the season

if mcrae has someone to chase the last 400 he could drop a nasty 800

1005 is not out of the question but it would take an excellent day from all members of the team

[king99]

Shen is gonna run 10:05? Love the Shen guys..past and present..but come on..they project nothing like that whatsoever. 10:15 would be generous.

[PeterQuince]

When was the last time your top relays (any relay) ran PRs during the same race? No baton slip-ups, no traffic, and the use of aggressive pr-oriented pacing?

Compare realism with idealism. Yes, I agree on the perfect day Shen is worth faster than 10:15, but Syosset is also worth faster than 7:40 and that hasn't happened yet either.

The DMR is infrequently run outdoors, with big meets including Penn and whatever Nike's calling AOC right now. I can't actually think of any other meets fast enough to produce a 10:05, so Shen would need a nearly-perfect race with few opportunities.

[Scotty]

Look at it this way:

Your basic 10:20 HS DMR is 3:10 + :50 + 2:00 + 4:20

Based on actual performances indoors, Shen projects at least 11 seconds faster than that: 3:10 + :48 + 1:59 + 4:11.x (DM's 4:13.x open mile equates to a 4:11.x 1600 relay split).

So how do you figure 10:15 is generous? :confused:

They are a 10:24i team. To run even 10:09 (which is not really near 10:05) they would all have to PR.... on the SAME DAY. Shen is a great team, with great guys. However, they will not get close to 10:05. 10:10pt would be a MAJOR feat. 10:15 is what I would expect on Friday.

[Canned Food]

They are a 10:24i team. To run even 10:09 (which is not really near 10:05) they would all have to PR.... on the SAME DAY. Shen is a great team, with great guys. However, they will not get close to 10:05. 10:10pt would be a MAJOR feat. 10:15 is what I would expect on Friday.

Shen is running 4x8 with shaker in the last heat at Penn.

[Scotty]

Did not realize this. Well there goes one oppty to run under 10:10... :)

[themanontherun]

It may take a nearly perfect race for Shen to go under 10:10 or even 10:05, but this is a team that has guys who seem adept at shutting the mouths of doubters. Did anybody see D-Mac as realisticaly winning the national mile? Ideally, yes. Realisticaly, no. But he did it anyway. This team has a group of great runners and they seem to gel together well. Sometimes, that's all it takes. I'm not saying it's a given, or even a "probably," but anyone who counts out a decent chance of Shen going sub 10:10 isn't taking into account the fact that some people/teams have a habit of performing miracles.

[Scotty]

This was a discussion prompted by someone saying Shen could run 10:05 (which is not happening). 10:10 is an entirely different thing. Is it possible? Yes, 10:10 is at least a possiblity (where 10:05 is pure fanatsy). Do I personally believe that Shen will run 10:10? No, I do not. However, they have a very nice team and 10:12pt next month seems reasonable.

[Scotty]

You are confusing two posters; King used the word "generous", not I.

Besides, I never hedge ;). Shen has no shot at 10:05. They will likely not even run 10:10pt

[Achilles]

You are confusing two posters; King used the word "generous", not I.

Besides, I never hedge ;). Shen has no shot at 10:05. They will likely not even run 10:10pt

best case scenerio for shen at seasons end could produce a team that can run 10:05 or so..these are assuming everyone PR"s on the same day (which shen has done before many times, one of the best peaking teams along with girls warwick) it could be as follows

Benson 3:08-3:09 Benson 3:08-3:09
McRae :47 Random kid :51
there 800 runner 1:57 McRae 1:52 high
Mac 4:08 (chasing) Mac 4:08

under 10:05 under10:05

they even have a LITTLE room for error. personally i dont think it will happen. but its not as far fetches as we think. they have some serious serious talent on there team for the DMR/4x8 (a 7:40 team in right conditions with Mcmanomon and Mcrae)

[Kalaby]

Love the Shen program and its runners...with that said, it's extremely unlikely that they'll run a 10:05.

[Shen Rules]

Ya, I don't really get this discussion. Shaker and Syosset should be putting together sick DMRs this year too.

[Scotty]

Any track fan (see Kalaby) knows, its about what YOU RUN. Not what is theoretically possible. I've said it several times (several have agreed): Shen is a very nice team and has NO SHOT at 10:05. 10:10pt is a longshot (though possible). I can see them running 10:12pt though.

Now, they will run what they run. We can compare the results to this thread in just over a month.

[minde15]

It may take a nearly perfect race for Shen to go under 10:10 or even 10:05, but this is a team that has guys who seem adept at shutting the mouths of doubters. Did anybody see D-Mac as realisticaly winning the national mile? Ideally, yes. Realisticaly, no. But he did it anyway. This team has a group of great runners and they seem to gel together well. Sometimes, that's all it takes. I'm not saying it's a given, or even a "probably," but anyone who counts out a decent chance of Shen going sub 10:10 isn't taking into account the fact that some people/teams have a habit of performing miracles.

coach jones is actually a shaman, he does these weird chants before races and when he does we also seem to run well, thought it takes alot out of the old man, hes always red and his voice is course cuz hes been yelling so much.

while 1005 is most likely wishful thinking, so was the thought we were gonna get the national record in the 4xmile, cuz we started thinking that we could get that after outdoor 4xmile junior year. i love to see them do it, most likely they wont, but theres always that possibility that they could, they have the ability to possibly do it, so i woudlnt say its impossible, but i wouldnt be suprised in the least also if they didnt break 1010