Midwest 11-3

[The Profit]

1 Lukas Verzbicas Sandburg
2 Zach Wills Mason
3 Futsum Zeinasellassie North Central
4 Tyler Byrne North Harrison
5 Mike Atchoo Troy
6 Blake Allison Harrison
7 Scott Vicenzi Brownsburg (IN)
8 David Osborn Chesterton
9 Aaron Beattie Naperville Nequa Valley
10 Walden,Chris 10 Carmel
11 James Martin Carroll
12 Nico Composto Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
13 Caleb Hoover College Heig
14 Pat Lesiewicz Schaumburg
15 Michael Scolarici O'Fallon Township
16 Jason Crist Franklin Central (IN)
17 Andrew Smith Elmhurst York
18 Martin Grady Oak Park (Fenwick)
19 Alex Wilson Kent City
20 Curtis Hanle Louisville
21 Sean Bone Lake Orion
22 Phil Farleigh Cary Grove
23 Nathan Karr Ann Arbor Pioneer
24 Hale O'Herren Catherdral (IN)
25 Ty Bumgartner Pickerington North
26 Maksim Korolev MO
27 Ben Silver Downers Grove (North)
28 Kyle Wheeler Green
29 Mascari terre haute north
30 Kevin Colon Lee's Summit West
31 Austin Whitelaw Monroe
32 Reed Kamyszek Kenowa Hills
33 Ohlman,Tom 11 Carmel
34 Jack Driggs Elmhurst York
35 Tyler Jermann Naperville North
36 Nick Kern Ann Arbor Pioneer
37 Bahlebi Zeinasellassie North Central
38 Mark Donohue Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
39 Alec Bollman Palatine
40 David Wing Naperville Nequa Valley
41 Sam Telfer Lagrange
42 Chris Spudic Mt. Prospect
43 Ricardo Galindo Detriot Catholic Central
44 Tanner Pawer Pinckney
45 Jack Seeberg Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
46 Andrew Diehn Columbus North
47 Ochs,Ross 11 Huntington North
48 Malachy Schrobilgen Oak Park River Forest
49 Kevin Sparks Geneva
50 Evan Scruton Columbus North
51 Billy Klimczak Naperville Nequa Valley
52 Martin Coolidge Elyria, OH
53 Garrett Sweatt Edwardsville
54 Gabe Ocasio Columbus North
55 Geshay,Connor 11 North Central
56 Patrick Smith Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
57 Chano Bernardo Palatine
58 Adam Kern Ann Arbor Pioneer
59 Christopher Kelsey Columbus North
60 Carlton Folster Naperville Nequa Valley
61 Jacob Barnes Sylvania Northview
62 Muhammaad Sani Ann Arbor Pioneer
63 Kyle Zankowski St. Charles
64 Evan Baum St. Ignatius
65 Luke Verbus Naperville Nequa Valley
66 Bob Guthrie Naperville North
67 Hossam Hassan Liberty
68 Josh Antonson Naperville Nequa Valleyb
69 Jack Stapleton Oak Park River Forest
70 Adhanom,Filimon 10 North Central
71 Tom Beddome Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
72 Andrew Morris Chesterton
73 Corbin Brooks columbus north
74 Ryan Cutter Chesterton
75 Ryan Ferguson Noblesville
76 Albert Ciolek Mt. Prospect
77 Andrew Garcia-Garrison Detriot Catholic Central
78 Mike Wallace Sylvania Northview
79 Josh Millares fishers
80 Ryan Foster North Harrison
81 Andrew Beiriger Columbus North b
82 Collin Ginebaugh Noblesville
83 Mike Moore Lagrange
84 John Sweeny St. Ignatius
85 Graham,Josh 11 Huntington North
86 Robbie Kucera Lagrange
87 Porter,Dan 11 Carmel
88 Tim Rackers St. Louis University
89 Anthony Gregorio palatine
90 Peter Hogenson Oak Park River Forest
91 Jordan Tropf St. Ignatius
92 Kushpal Sangha Elmhurst York
93 Brinza terre haute north
94 Sam Roudebush Noblesville
95 Kellen Strobel Mt. Prospect
96 Ronald Hedman Elmhurst York
97 A.J. Laskowske Palatine
98 Johnathan Reynolds North Harrison
99 Johnnie Guy North Harrison
100 Daniel Mazar Edwardsville
101 Kenta Shimizu Hilliard Davidson
102 Michael Schact Elmhurst York
103 Aaron Pugh fishers
104 Matt Kahl Mason
105 Kevin McDowell Geneva
106 Viktor Puskorius Detriot Catholic Central
107 Shane Kenney Chesterton
108 Spencer Gerber Rockford
109 Vince Tagare Mt. Prospect
110 Joe Frakes Ann Arbor Pioneer
111 Nick Gornick elmhurst york b
112 Adam Cecil (inactive) Elmhurst York b
113 Sean O'Connell Sylvania Northview
114 Miark Holt Lagrange
115 Chris Manuszak St. Ignatius
116 Cody Marowski Noblesville
117 Jon Rogers Chesterton
118 Matt Armstrong Liberty
119 Christian Bowers Noblesville
120 Troy Smith Liberty
121 Grant Gunneson Rockford
122 Nick Kobunski St. Ignatius
123 Thomas Halpin Chesterton b
124 Ryan Wojdyla Palatine
125 depppase terre haute north
126 Nick Homan sylvania Northview
127 Austin Zebrowski Detriot Catholic Central
128 John Davis terre haute north
129 Sam Fourman Oak Park River Forest
130 Roberts,Austin 11 Huntington North
131 Pat Ford Mt. Prospect
132 Peter Johnson St. Charles
133 tucker terre haute north
134 Nick Shear Rockford
135 Collin Hubert Lee's Summit North
136 rockky pollock fishers
137 Ryan Senci St. Charles
138 Cal Magier Pinckney
139 Matt Larcomb Mason
140 Michael Lahner Pinckney
141 Nathan Moore Hilliard Davidson
142 Griffin Brunk Carmel
143 Tim McLaughlin St. Louis University
144 Clayton Kirk Oak Park River Forest
145 Andrew Allabastro Lagrange
146 Chris Lehman Mason
147 John Paul Zebrowski Detriot Catholic Central
148 Chris Taglieri Edwardsville
149 Emmet Cookson St. Louis University
150 Will Novorolsky St. Charles
151 Sal Meston Pinckney
152 Brad Wheeler St. Charles
153 Lewis,Sean 10 Huntington North
154 Ben Garrison Liberty
155 Kevin McKown Sylvania Northview
156 Drake Veitenheimer Rockford
157 Eric Hauser Mason
158 Justin Rodriguez Geneva
159 Steven Ek Rockford
160 Kolton Sheldon Lee's Summit North
161 Fox,Matthew 9 North Central
162 Joulian Toumey North Central b
163 Crosley,Jake 10 Huntington North
164 Anthony Stasiak Liberty
165 Stephen Gomez Carmel
166 Marcus Rogers Pinckney
167 Connor Bartel Geneva
168 Josh Guy North Harrison
169 Tyler Jennings neq
170 Danial Raterman St. Louis University
171 Tony Thompson Edwardsville
172 Chris Woodward Naperville North
173 Ryan Ahern Geneva
174 Chris Lehman Mason b
175 Steven Boyd Hilliard Davidson
176 Charlie McKeown Naperville North
177 Jonathan Villafana Green
178 Karsten Jurkiewicz Naperville North
179 Connor Moylan Lee's Summit North
180 Jon LaPlante Lee's Summit North
181 Dameon Morgan Edwardsville
182 Josh Fisher Green
183 Lewis,Sean 10 Huntington North b
184 Jack Shaeffer Hilliard Davidson
185 Chris Miller Lee's Summit North
186 Mark Gillespie Hilliard Davidson
187 Green
188 Hilliard Davidson b
189 Hilliard Davidson b
190 Lee's Summit North b
191 Lee's Summit North b
192 Dylan Papp ??? Green
193 St. Louis University


Team Scores


1 Loyola Academy (IL) 222
2 Naperville Nequa Valley (IL) 225
3 Columbus North (IN) 282
4 Ann Arbor Pioneer (MI) 289
5 North Central (IN) 326
6 Elmhurst York (IL) 341
7 Chesterton (IN) 378
8 Palatine (IL) 406
9 Carmel (IN) 437
10 North Harrison (IN) 449
11 Mt. Prospect (IL) 453
12 Lagrange Lyons (IL) 469
13 St. Ignatius (OH) 476
14 Oak Park River Forest (IL) 480
15 Noblesville (IN) 486
16 Detrpot Catholic Central (MI) 500
17 Terre Haute North (IN) 508
18 Sylvania Northview (OH) 533
19 Mason (OH) 548
20 Huntington North (IN) 578
21 Liberty 623
22 Naperville North (IL) 627
23 St. Charles (IL) 634
24 Pinckney (MI) 639
25 Geneva (IL) 652
26 Edwardsville (IL) 653
27 Rockford (MI) 678
28 Lee's Summit North (MO) 704
29 St. Louis University 743
30 Green (OH) 766

[the whitelightning]

no adding bahlbi?

[OnTheCouch]

Originally Posted by the whitelightning

no adding bahlbi?

37 Bahlebi Zeinasellassie North Central

[The Profit]

I'm really really unsure why people aren't as sold on Neuqua Valley and why they are the distance 2nd in most people rankings in Illinois vs. Loyola. In the midwest meet here I think loyola barely squeaks by them but I think at the IL state meet Neuqua's depth may win out. I do think that 2nd and 3rd man power of Loyola could be too strong for Neuqua in a tougher field at like nxn mw or nxn nationals, the reality is that not all of the teams will appear at nxn and the field will be leveled out with a few weaker teams.

[OnTheCouch]

Originally Posted by The Profit

I'm really really unsure why people aren't as sold on Neuqua Valley and why they are the distance 2nd in most people rankings in Illinois vs. Loyola. In the midwest meet here I think loyola barely squeaks by them but I think at the IL state meet Neuqua's depth may win out. I do think that 2nd and 3rd man power of Loyola could be too strong for Neuqua in a tougher field at like nxn mw or nxn nationals, the reality is that not all of the teams will appear at nxn and the field will be leveled out with a few weaker teams.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Weren't these the same guys who scoffed when you had York's Smith ahead of Driggs? While Driggs may still manage to finish ahead of Smith at the state meet, I think this season has shown that Smith has been about 3-4 seconds better than Driggs. Everyone now seems enamored with Loyola's newfound 5th man, but his Sectional race was probably 30 seconds better than anything he had done previously. Has he improved that much, or did he just run out of his shoes in that race? We'll see in a few days.

The knock on Neuqua early was that while their pack was impressive, they did not have enough low scorers to counter Loyola and York's big men. Dave Wing has been consistently around 17 seconds back of Beattie with Klimczak 6-9 seconds further back. Both Folster and Verbus have shown the ability to keep the 1-5 spread at 30-35 seconds back of Beattie, and the 6-7 men will probably finish ahead of Loyola #5 as well.

I think your projections for Illinois have been pretty solid. (I do have a Neuqua bias though, so what do I know).

[The Profit]

Originally Posted by OnTheCouch

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Weren't these the same guys who scoffed when you had York's Smith ahead of Driggs? While Driggs may still manage to finish ahead of Smith at the state meet, I think this season has shown that Smith has been about 3-4 seconds better than Driggs. Everyone now seems enamored with Loyola's newfound 5th man, but his Sectional race was probably 30 seconds better than anything he had done previously. Has he improved that much, or did he just run out of his shoes in that race? We'll see in a few days.

The knock on Neuqua early was that while their pack was impressive, they did not have enough low scorers to counter Loyola and York's big men. Dave Wing has been consistently around 17 seconds back of Beattie with Klimczak 6-9 seconds further back. Both Folster and Verbus have shown the ability to keep the 1-5 spread at 30-35 seconds back of Beattie, and the 6-7 men will probably finish ahead of Loyola #5 as well.

I think your projections for Illinois have been pretty solid. (I do have a Neuqua bias though, so what do I know).

Thanks and I kind of had that feeling about you but Neuqua is solid. I guess midway in the season Loyola's 4th started to improve quite a bit which helped close the gap and yeah their 5th guy has now made it close if he can repeat that. I was a little confused as to why Verbus and Folster didn't run sectionals, I was hoping they were fine and were just getting rested to run at state. I was going to do acomplete IL state meet and still might and believe me I haven't said anything since I first posted at the IL board and have been itching especially if a certain thing happens at state to respond back to everyone that scoffed and laughed at me. I did enjoy learning a bit more about IL this year. Wish I knew more about the courses but with all the rain this year its hard to compare past results with times as of late. The last two weeks in Indiana the courses were all jacked up.

[Chicubsfan24]

Mark, for these rankings to work out, you better convince the North Central team to register. The one person I wasn't sure about was Bahlbi, and he is the only one registered. Also, according to one of their assistant coaches on IR (sorry for the citation), Bahlbi is not supposed to be registered. Furthermore, I only see Ginebaugh and Ferguson on the registration list. Maybe they got discouraged from this poll? However, they still have until the tenth to register I believe. I hope they do as well as some other top individuals who haven't yet. Good luck to everyone competing. Make our state proud.

-Judas Thomas Didymus (Giving me an award with a Biblical reference can only be a complement. You should be more specific next time because I assumed a misintended identity)

[the whitelightning]

Originally Posted by Chicubsfan24

Mark, for these rankings to work out, you better convince the North Central team to register. The one person I wasn't sure about was Bahlbi, and he is the only one registered. Also, according to one of their assistant coaches on IR (sorry for the citation), Bahlbi is not supposed to be registered. Furthermore, I only see Ginebaugh and Ferguson on the registration list. Maybe they got discouraged from this poll? However, they still have until the tenth to register I believe. I hope they do as well as some other top individuals who haven't yet. Good luck to everyone competing. Make our state proud.

-Judas Thomas Didymus (Giving me an award with a Biblical reference can only be a complement. You should be more specific next time because I assumed a misintended identity)

Judas Thomas Didymus

I keep liking you more and more every post you say. Noblesville will have a team out there but I know it won't be there complete varsity. Also North Central from what I through the grapevines will also have a team.

[The Profit]

Originally Posted by Chicubsfan24

Mark, for these rankings to work out, you better convince the North Central team to register. The one person I wasn't sure about was Bahlbi, and he is the only one registered. Also, according to one of their assistant coaches on IR (sorry for the citation), Bahlbi is not supposed to be registered. Furthermore, I only see Ginebaugh and Ferguson on the registration list. Maybe they got discouraged from this poll? However, they still have until the tenth to register I believe. I hope they do as well as some other top individuals who haven't yet. Good luck to everyone competing. Make our state proud.

-Judas Thomas Didymus (Giving me an award with a Biblical reference can only be a complement. You should be more specific next time because I assumed a misintended identity)

I love the whole Thomas Didymus thing, doesn't Didymus mean twin as well, he's been argued as Jesus's twin brother before.

This midwest ranking just assumes all the best teams in the midwest show up, its not necessarily predicting nxn mw. I may do that when i get a final sheet on who is showing up. Looks like no michigan teams at all so far.

[OnTheCouch]

Originally Posted by The Profit

I love the whole Thomas Didymus thing, doesn't Didymus mean twin as well, he's been argued as Jesus's twin brother before.

This midwest ranking just assumes all the best teams in the midwest show up, its not necessarily predicting nxn mw. I may do that when i get a final sheet on who is showing up. Looks like no michigan teams at all so far.

I was under the impression that the Michigan rules prohibit their participation.

Or am I confusing Michigan with another state?