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I have this nagging feeling that Zat's health-care proposal has more in common with the PRINCIPLES and ultimate goals of Obama-care than he realizes. Anyone else see that, or should I lay off the mushrooms?
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should I lay off the mushrooms?
No, just lobby for shroom vouchers for all?
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Zat may correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he contests the need for health reform or the desirability of having more Americans insured. He's arguing against Obama's methods, not his purpose.


And by the way, Zat, I'm very intrigued by your SS proposal. I'm a big fan of the incentives provided by 401(k) plans, and they definitely work much better and are more sustainable than social security. I would be quite happy to see your plan as part of the debate at the very least. Too bad social security is such a dangerous issue for a politician to touch.

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I have this nagging feeling that Zat's health-care proposal has more in common with the PRINCIPLES and ultimate goals of Obama-care than he realizes. Anyone else see that, or should I lay off the mushrooms?
You need to lay off the mushrooms.

Obamacare's ultimate outcome is the virtual elimination of private insurance. Roll your eyes all you want, that is the practical effect of everything that is being proposed. Obama and the dems have villified the insurance companies at every turn. Barry is on record repeatedly praising a "single payer system" (aka socialized medicine) and acknowledging that he won't be able to elminate private insurance "right away."

Need any proof? Run my proposal up the flagpole of any prominent democrat and see what the response is. That's precisely why I got the question I did from the opinion page editor and why it hasn't been published. I have said all along that Obama's health care "reform" has NOTHING to do with healthcare. Healthcare is merely the vehicle being used to socialize another part of the economy. Very smart stategy really, but it's precisely why I think this bill should be a call to arms (speaking figuratively, of course).

What I am proposing opens up health insurance to virtually every legal resident (notice I didn't say citizen; I would make this system available to LEGAL immigrants, including those on work permits, student visas and the like. If you came in LEGALLY or are granted political asylum, you get this. ILLEGAL aliens are SOL).

To be fair, some on my side of the aisle will squeal like a stuck pig over the notion of regulation of pre-existing conditions. They need to get over it. The regulation will be dicey but can be done (did I ever mention that I spent a year clerking for the state insurance department when I was in law school?)
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:01 PM
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Zat may correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he contests the need for health reform or the desirability of having more Americans insured. He's arguing against Obama's methods, not his purpose.
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No, just lobby for shroom vouchers for all?
Pretty sure shrooms aren't covered.
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This from a very recent NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll
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I repeat: The goal is the elimination of private health insurance in this country. Nothing less. I suspect you strongly support that goal.
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I repeat: The goal is the elimination of private health insurance in this country. Nothing less. I suspect you strongly support that goal.
I support the goal of health care for all. I could not care less how that is practically accomplished. I am not as ideologically driven as you are, friend
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That is one unbiased poll question. Whoever wrote that. Looks like we have a great Supreme Court nominee.

Mean bad greedy soulless people that disagree with Obama, or Obama didn't try hard enough.
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